http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/vikings-newfoundland-1.3515747
April 1, 2016
CBC News
Potential Viking site found in Newfoundland
Satellites help locate potential Norse site in island's southwest corner
Researchers in Newfoundland and Labrador are finding evidence that may give more answers to a millennium-old mystery — just how far the Vikings reached into North America.
A second, moresouthernViking site may have just been found in Newfoundland, according to research from aninternational team of archeologists working in the province.
ResearcherSarah Parcak told CBC News that her team has found evidence of a Norse-like hearth and eight kilograms of early bog ironin an areanear the southwestern-mostcoast of Newfoundland.
Parcak, a professor of anthropology at the University of Alabama in Birmingham, saidthe findings at Point Roseeon the island are highly suggestive of a Norse presence in the area.
"We did not find one single shred of any [contradictory]evidence, so that leaves two options," she said. "It's either a new culture that looks and presents exactly like Norse, or Norse."
"But obviously we have a lot of work left in front of us before we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is."
cont.
>>944933
A potentially historic find
If the results are born out through further research, Point Roseewould become just the second verified Viking site in North America.
The first site is at L'Anse Aux Meadows, near the northern-most tip of Newfoundland, about 600 kilometres away.
Evidence of that thousand-year-oldsettlement was discovered in the 1960sand took years to verify.
Archeologists maintainthat Vikings may have usedtheirL'Anseaux Meadows settlement as a "base camp for expeditions further south."
It's not known how long thatcamp— now apopular tourist attraction that Parks Canada operates as a National Historic Site —was used before it was abandoned about a thousand years ago.
At the very least, the researchers in Point Roseehave found evidence of another early iron-working site in the province.
The Norse were the only ones extracting iron from bogs 1,000 years ago.
cont.
>>944935
Satellite innovations
As part of their early research, Parcak said, the team used Google Maps satellite imagery to look for potential hot spots along the Atlantic Ocean.
Furtherhigh-resolution scans led them to send a team to Point Roseeand start to survey for artifacts.
Parcak won the 2016 TED Prize for her work using satellite imagery in archeology, a field the organization said she largely engineered.
"When we started the project, my hypothesis wasn't that we would find anything Norse, my hypothesis was that we would not," she said.
Instead, after a survey in 2015,her team found signs of iron-working and evidence of a turf wall, like the ones the Norse are known to have used.
Newfoundland and Labrador government officials who worked alongside the searcherssay more evidence, and more artifacts, are needed to be sure of aViking presence on the island`s western coast.
"There's just not enough evidence to date to go either way on it," said Martha Drake, an archeologist with the provincial offices.
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>>944938
Birgitta Wallace, considered the foremost authority on the Viking settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows, was equally unconvinced that the find was an authentic Norse site.
"The roasting of the ore could be accidental. All it would take is a camp fire on the ground where the soil is full of bog ore. Such areas are common in Newfoundland," she wrote in an email.
Wallace was part of the excavation team at L'Anse aux Meadows.
She's not sure the supposed turf walls are an exact match, either.
"The results could be exciting, but until then I consider the case unsettled."
Parcaksaidshe's looking for more evidence. She'd like to see more carbon-dating that coincides with the Viking era, further evidence of metal-working and maybe a Norse-specificobject to put them over the top.
"I hate, as an archeologist … to say it's definitely Norse," she said. "We absolutely cannot say that right now."
"A lot of people in the press are calling this a Norse settlement. We absolutely cannot call it a settlement."
"If it is Norse, the most we can say right now is that it's a small farm or perhaps a temporary winter camp."
cont.
>>944941
Documentary on work
Parcak has teamed up with PBS and BBC to produce a documentary about her work in Newfoundland.
The NOVA program Vikings Unearthed will air on BBC One at 5 p.m. NT on April 4, and will show on PBS at 10:30 p.m. NT on April 6.
Parcak is planning a return to Point Roseethis summer in hopes of finding definitive evidence of a Norse presence.
"We're beginning to get contacted by Norse specialists from different parts of the world," she said. "I think when we go back this summer and in future seasons, we'll have a very strong team of specialists from diverse areas."
"To really collect a lot more evidence and hopefully prove that the site is Norse."
FIN
I like this image a lot.
Vikings were literally ascended ubermen from hyperborea. They are destined by providence to fullfill the prophecy of Ragnarök.
Hail Odin! Bring forth the glorious New Dawn under which humanity shall conquer the stars with the firm, benevolent hand of the Eternal Norse Galactic Reich!
That's neat as fuck. I wonder how much further south they may have gotten.
>>945263
>I wonder how much further south they may have gotten.
The Viking Kingdom Of Ferskvann Sjoen
1000 A.D. - the Viking colonists and some visiting traders at the L'Anse aux Meadows
settlement in Newfoundland, eat some bad mushrooms and collectively hallucinate Odin
ordering them to leave the island and move inland to the "Ferskvann Sjoen" [1] and the
entire settlement [2] packs up all their stuff and sails up the St.Lawrence River.
When Viking traders from Greenland arrive some months later, they find the settlement
abandoned and figure the Skrælings (Indians) killed everybody and they leave, never to
return N.America as per the Original Timeline.
cont.
>>945652
Meanwhile, the Vikings from L'Anse aux Meadows make their way up the St.Lawrence
River, thru Lake Ontario, portaging the Niagara Falls and thru Lake Erie, up past OTL
Detroit and thru Lake Huron, to settle on Mackinaw Island and by the grace of the Gods,
[3] all off them survive and a new settlement is begun on the island.
While the Vikings are initially wary of the Skrælings and vice versa, they manage
to avoid any serious conflicts and inevitably, Viking men take Indian brides and the
settlement soon has enough people to maintain an effective population size.
cont.
>>945657
As the years go by, the Vikings eventually expand, [4] forming new settlements along
the shores of OTL Michigan, Ontario and Wisconsin, using their ships and boats on
the lakes and rivers to maintain contact and trade (but not settling outside of the
Great Lakes basin due to religious reasons).
Fast-forward to October 2, 1535 A.D. - On his 2nd voyage to the New World, Jacques
Cartier lands at the Iroquois settlement of Hochelaga (OLT Montreal) and is shocked
discover several Viking traders there.
What happens next?
cont.
>>945665
[1] Fresh Water Sea = The Great Lakes
[2] from Wiki: "There is no way of knowing how many men and women lived at the site
at any given time, however archaeological evidence of the dwellings suggest it had the
capacity of supporting 30 to 160 individuals."
Lets say it's 200 people total, 125 men and 75 women and all their tools, animals, seeds,
ships and boats, etc.
[3] They got lucky
[4] Absorbing some Indian tribes, wiping out others but I'd guess Old World diseases
introduced by the Vikings would have killed off many of them but with the smaller number
of European Vikings and longer time period involved, maybe not as bad?
FIN
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>>945992
>>946000
>>946009
Really, nobody is interested in this subject at all?
>>946122
I am anon, but i'm kind of busy, but you're doing God's work here.
>>946122
Thats a pretty nice timeline youve got there anon, keep working on it.
Alhistory.com has lots of good stuff like this, with some very good writing.
One I especially like is a "what if vikings found america uninhabited" scenario. It ends up with a series of small states along the east coast, filled with all the groups that got fucked over in our timeline, such as pagan vikings, welsh, Irish, venetians.
i especially like that the author gives the Cathar 'good christians' from the south of france a colony in the new world.
As for the point rosee find, Im cautiously optomistic. It has never quite made sense to mee that the norse settlements failed "due to hostile natives", whereas the spanish settlements just a few centuries later absolutely destroyed natives in organised empires larger than european states.
Maybe it was because the spanish had horses, and as far as I know the vinland colonists did not? Maybe give the norse in your timeline some horses as well as steel , then they might have a chance when the spanish and english turn up with guns :^)
>>947211
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=321638
Found it , its called "empty america" . One of the best written alt histories Ive seen online or in print, some of these guys should publish their work. Another awesome, well researched timeline is "lands of red and gold", about a tl where Australian Aboriginals develop agriculture and a second columbian exchange occurs when they are discovered. It gets a bit preachy, but is very well written, and about the size of a large novel now.
>>946122
>those tats
>tfw the West will never get uncucked by the zombie jew
Thats pretty sweet, but some scraps of iron and a hearth do not a settlement make.
Keeping an eye out though, could be eye opening.
>>944933
So how important is this? Right now, it seems like they think it's just a very small, temporary encampment. Is this a near meaningless discovery for nordicists to fap over, or does it significantly change the current understanding of Viking involvement in the Americas?
>>947326
Every discovery gives us more knowledge about how far the norse really went into North America.
Just because you dont like/ arent interested in the history of the norse doesnt mean its not important anon.
The norse had permanent settlements in northern america where they battled with injuns and shit too, germanophobes are too ignorant to read the articles on this though
>>947211
>cathar
>good christians
But they were hunted for being heretics, aka bad Christians.
>>949404
>Germans
>having anything to do with glorious Scandinavians
Get away from me you filthy schnitzel eating swine.
>>949497
Benelux feels more scandinavian than germans idk
is it true that Christopher Columbus had visited Iceland and already learned about the new world before he "discovered" it? I read this on wiki somewhere
>>949543
It's true that he visited Iceland, I haven't heard anything about him learning of the new world from them though.
>>949543
Shouldn't he have used that when trying to get royal support for his exploration instead of claiming the distance to india is much shorter than everyone knew it was then?
>>949552
a sea route to india was probably way more desirable than the frozen north of north america of which he may have heard on iceland
>>944933
WE
>>949772
WUZ
This is the Viking. Any image without horned helmet is false.
>>949918
>horned helmet
cvck
>>947211
The most interesting Norse what-if is what if they'd managed to spread smallpox and horses to the Americas ~500 years before Columbus. That would give the natives time to build up disease immunity and get to grips with horse warfare.
>>950293
>Horses
>On Viking ships
I could only see it if a really rich Injun heard some Vikings mention large animals that you can ride on while at some meeting, and that Injun offering a shitload to get his hands on some.
I wonder why the injunz didnt try to ride the bizon.
>>950358
Too violent.
>>950293
>>950323
Well there is some evidence of there being horses in North America before Columbus and the rest of the Euros showed up. Living horses, not long extinct horses that everyone knows were here at one point.
Anyway, this finding is kind of neat, but not all that surprising really. It wouldn't seem at all unlikely that the Norse would have had a few settlements around, and L'anse and now this one are just the only ones that we've found/ were big enough/permanent enough to leave any evidence.
