>Literally handed the greatest land army Greece had ever produced, and the Hellenic League
>Rich dad paid for Aristotle to teach him
>Generals that helped him (the Diadochi) were all individually great commanders
>Alexander the """"""""""""""""Great"""""""""""""""""""
If he didn't make history, then it would have been weird. But the guy was set up for success at every level.
Better military figures by far are the self made men. Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Hannibal, Napoleon. All that Alexander did was reap the fruits of his father's sow.
OP mad he will never ever accomplish anything or be written about in any history except maybe the newspaper for being arrested for possession of anime porn.
>>736048
>Julius Caesar
Here, let me ruin your fun. Julius Caesar was good at two things. The first is being a political mastermind, and the second is getting fucked in the ass by a Barbarian King. Every single one of Caesars conquests in Gaul was masterminded by Titus Labienus. And he was set from youth.
>>736048
>literally handed the greatest military asset in the world at the time, the stirruped mongolian horse archer
>individual generals all outstanding
>had skilled han engineers join him because of anti-jin sentiment
>Temujin the
"""""""""""Gengis"""""""""""" Khan
>>736048
The man was *literally* undefeated in battle and tore down the preeminent world power at the time in less than a decade.
Those feats are fucking phenomenal, regardless of how "pampered" you are from birth.
>>736242
Persia was a rotting husk dude. Xenophon's force rampaged at will thorughout the Empire and he had 1/5th of Alexander's force by numbers, and without anything close to the same caliber of training, armament, or force balance.
>>736048
More like he had to fight against his father to get all that cool stuff.
There have been millions of people with successful fathers. Only about a dozen or so did anything close to what Alexander did.
>>736217
He spent his childhood on the run from his father's enemies, and at one point he and his nuclear family had two horses when any steppe nomad worth their salt would individually have at least 4 or 5.
The nigga conquered the steppe to acquire the greatest military asset in the world at the time.
>implying the Han engineers didn't hate him along with hating the Jin
Everyone was a dirty barbarian to the fucking Han. The Chinese have been some of the most arrogant people in history.
Genghis was one of the pioneers of incorporating skilled people into his army and setting it up in a merit based system. His acquisition of skilled generals and engineers that he defeated in battle were his own work. It wasn't bequeathed to him.
Also you can't use the >implying quotation marks on Genghis Khan because he was literally declared the Genghis Khan you fuckwit.
>>736217
>forgetting Ghengis Khan had to crawl up from nothing after his family was cast down and he was made a slave and had to defeat countless rivals and unite a fragmented people and turn them into the mightiest horde known to the world on his way to the top
>>736307
>More like he had to fight against his father to get all that cool stuff.
ur dumb everyone knows Angelina Jolie poisoned his dad to get Alex stuff.
>>736048
Hate to break it to you kid, but Caesar wasn't a self made man. He was a patrician Roman who was relatively wealthy, he had fucking Marius and Sulla as uncles which made him well known from day one, and his grandfather was one of the most popular Praetors in all the Republic's history.
His accomplishments were great, no doubt about that, and earning a civic crown for bravery in battle is no mean feat. But he was not completely a self made man. For that look no further than pic related.
>>736085
>Titus Labienus
How come Labienus got his ass handed to him every time they were arraigned against each other then?
>>736286
>Xenophon
Goddamn I'd like a movie about that, but made by somebody who won't make it shit. And have it star great actors who can grow fuckawesome bushy beards.
Imagine, Xenophon directed by Guy Hamilton, John Huston, Stanley Kubrick, Brian Hutton. Starring Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Daniel Day-Lewis, Richard Burton, Robert Shaw, Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Robert Redford, Mel Gibson, Kirk Douglas.... Goddamn. You'd need a time machine of course, but it would be glorious.
>>736463
>tfw we'll never get a movie about Philip II and a (good) sequel about Alexander
>tfw we'll never get a prequel about the Anabasis
>tfw we'll never get a miniseries covering the wars of the diadochi
>>736286
Persians were harrying the 10,000 throughout their journey out of Persian lands, not letting them sleep, destroying their supplies, ambushing their patrols and scouts, and making their life a literal hell until they crossed back into Greek lands in Europe.
Persia under Darius III was definitely politically unstable though, given how the King of Kings barely had a year or two of relative "experience" as a satrap before ascending to the throne and was more famed for his valor and skill as a soldier then leader or administrator.
>>736463
>How come Labienus got his ass handed to him every time they were arraigned against each other then?
Bad luck really. Hell, at Munda his actions should have turned the tide of the battle and the war. Only he was marching with a bunch of Retards apparently.
I think Caesar regretted what happened to him.
>>737025
I don't get why Oliver Stone's Alexander gets so much hate. I agree about the Diadochi though, why absolute dogshit like Game of Thrones and Vikings are made when the political, military, and social shenanigans they all caused is beyond me.
>>737046
*they all caused is available*
>>737046
Because it was full of shit.
>"Persian" stand ins are nothing more then Arabs
>You even hear them in the background talking in Arabic
>While uttering Islamic creedos and what not
>Only thing it got right historically for Persians is somewhat semi-accurate with depictions of the archers
>Heavy focus on Alexander's "bisexuality" as a premise for the movie
>Mainly oriented around drama then actual depiction of his life and most of the original film version (not Director's cut edition) are oriented on his campaigns past Persia rather then focusing on Persia
It was a pretty shitty movie.
>>736048
Regardless of how great his army and commanders were, the man was a tactical genius, have you ever studied one of his battles? They still do at West point.
Also he wasnt "handed" the Hellenic league, it was a shitstorm, he had to sack Thebes to get it under his control
>>737092
He had his own bad moments of tactical stupidity too.
>>737046
Ignoring the inaccuracies (some of which were understandable, many of which were highly questionable), it just wasn't a very good film in terms of acting, writing and overall direction. Also, Stone's fault for trying to do it as a single film rather than a series
>>737097
of course he did, like most people he made mistakes. But he was always able to pull it off regardless.
Charging up the river bank straight towards the Persians at the Grannicus wasn't really a smart thing to do
but he was still able to pull it off
>>736048
>get small loan of 10,000 Pezhetairoi and Hypaspists from your father
>grow it to an army of almost 50,000 and conquer most of the known world
How is this not a YUGE accomplishment?
>>737109
>50,000
it got a lot bigger than that desu
>>737104
I think he's referring to the embarrassment at the Persian Gates.
>>737116
Over 50 seconds of wikipedia research gave me pic related, feel free to enlighten.
>>737084
>>737098
The only parts I disliked were any scenes with Angelina Jolie appearing or speaking in them.
I don't get how the stand ins were very important, just look at Ahmedinejad, 100% looks like an Arab. It's not like the Persian army was composed mostly of Persians. In any case, all the Persians you see on screen with speaking roles are very credible as Persians. Just look at how white Barsine and Bessus are.
The bisexuality wasn't even close to being a heavy focus. It was more of a fuck you to homophobes and another way to show the divisions between Alexander and his wife, Alexander and his differently cultured allies, and Alexander and his conservative Macedonian companions.
>>737125
well according to Nearchus, the army swelled to as large as 120,000 following Alexander's retreat from Beas (due to the arrival of 35,000 new troops raised new cohorts).
Then a shit ton of them died in the Makarn (which is easily Alexander's biggest fuck up), and a lot of veterans were dismissed following his return to Babylon cause he was sick of their shit. They in term were replaced by new Iranian troops that had begun training in the Macedonian fashion 3 years earlier, but the royal army was significantly smaller at the time of his death than its peak in India (in part due the replacement Macedonians not yet having arrived)
>>736242
>The man was *literally* undefeated in battle
It is hard to get defeated when you die shortly after your first conquest and your "empire" instantly collapses.
>>737140
>It's not like the Persian army was composed mostly of Persians.
Except it was largely Iranians. Also camel troops never played any role in the Achaemenid military yet Oliver Stone thinks they were a major force.
It was a bad movie.
>>737140
>hurr persians are not WHITE PURE ARYAN MEN AND THEY TOTALLY WERE BECAUSE WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIT
>hurr Alexander was TOTALLY NOT A GAY FAGGOT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DIE OF THE GAY PLAGUE AIDS AND SHIT
I don't think it was Ridley's worst movie but most complaints 4chan brings are some /pol/ tier shit, I know you neckbeards were raised in 'murrka but that doesn't mean the whole ancient world subscribed to your morality, Alexander was a complete faggot and was literally buttfucked by Aristotle and persians are white but they are in no way "white" in the sense americans think of, they are just not niggers.
>>739353
They aren't Arab Either
They aren't even Semetic, at most at that time they had a lot of influence from the Semites(you know pre Arab Conquest mesopotamians and Levantines) from the Middle East
>>736072
>arrested for possession of anime porn.
where are we communist russia?
>>736313
Actually a lot of Han defected to Mongol armies because they actually practiced meritocracy and the Song was absolute megashit desu.
>>736048
So you're saying that Donald J. Trump is the Alexander the Great of our times?
>>739489
>*Insert "small loan of one million dollars" joke here*
Not only was Alexander the ultimate general, he was also a phenomenal solider who fought personally in every engagement. He makes Caesar, Khan and Napoleon look like poltroons in comparison.
>>740094
>the ultimate general
>>740112
>undefeated
>almost always outnumbered
>all major battles fought abroad
>never had a single solider killed in flight
>most powerful autocrat in human history
>>736313
You would be surprised how hard people will work and how far they'll go if you show them you give a shit
>>740143
Wow it's like he's Sulla but worse. Sulla also fought armies that were tactically, equipment-, and training-wise equal to his own. Alexander died and his whole """empire""" went to shit immediately, because it was only tenuously held together by the power of his name.
>>739353
Well they certainly weren't Arabs either. I can't tell if you thought I was implying those two things you're implying, but I wasn't. He was bi favoring men, and Persians were and are for the most part light skinned with dark hair and eyes naturally.
>>739317
100% wrong about everything except camel troopers. The Achaemenid army was extremely diverse, with a sizable segment even being Greek mercenaries. Other peoples in the army include Assyrians, Jews, Armenians, Arabs, Indians, Sogdians, Turks, and Egyptians.
>>740602
Because he was the only one capable of leading the Macedonians and preventing all the far flung territories from revolting. Alexander died and his underlings became supreme kings in the various provinces. He left behind the largest power vacuum in history, spanning two continents.
>>740619
Yes, he left no plan for what would happen if he died, he was in any case so well respected that several peoples rebelled as soon as he left their lands and so he had to come back, and he was handed a top-tier army instead of forging it himself.
>>740670
Savage tribes are not easily made part of an orderly, governed empire. They would pledge their faith and then rebel at the first opportunity. Alexander was said to be overtrusting, but if you broke your pledge, God help you.
Alexander was handed his father's infantry and elite cavalry, but even before becoming king Alexander had made sizable improvements to both. He added other Greek and foreign elements to his army as he went. The men he set out with dwindled in the Persian campaign and were practically a minority by the time of the mutiny.
>>740670
He also seemed to have a psychological block as far as provisioning for the event of his own death. He was very far seeing in other regards. This was the only instance in which he neglected to look ahead. He also put off siring an heir until right before he died. He may indeed have imagined he was immortal. In 323, it would have been hard to think otherwise.
>>736048
So what you're saying is that he could have stayed in his palace sipping wine and getting sucked off by armies of whores, all day, everyday, but instead he went out and conquered the known world?
>>736072
MAKE MACEDONIA GREAT AGAIN
>H-he was privileged so everything he did anyone else in his sandals could have done!
Okay OP
>>736217
>literally handed the greatest military asset in the world at the time, the stirruped mongolian horse archer
This is a meme, to the west he had literally the same kind of warrior, who ruled even in the middle east. To the east, he had the same kind of warrior plus the chinese who were experts on raping this exact kind of warrior. Horse archers a shit, mongolian armies would have had their asses wiped if it wasn't for the organization, discipline and various reforms bringed by Genghis Khan.
>>736286
This.
>>737029
In the times of the first Darius, the 10,000 would probably been destroyed. Xenophon and his group were foreign invaders who had served a traitor, of course the persians tried didn't allowed them to abandon the empire without punishment. What the other anon said is that Xenophon managed to escape, which shows the weakness of the empire. I'll add that the very fact that Xenophon's expedition was there and the reasons are also a sign of weakness. Of course, it got even worst with time,
>>740602
>100% wrong about everything except camel troopers.
Nope.
>>740399
My favorite story is Jebei's.
>Shoots Khan in the neck during rise to power
>Brought before the Khan, who asks him if he did it
>Yeah I did it, what are you gonna do about it nigga?
>Genghis was so impressed by his massive balls and skill that he makes Jebei a commander
>Jebei and Subutai conquer the known world of the Asiatic universe for him
Jebei wasn't his birth name either. It means "The Arrow"
>>736217
the greatest thing he did was not conquer half the known fucking world but get the various tribes to not kill each other for long enough to do so
>>740602
>turks
What
>>736463
>Starring Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Daniel Day-Lewis, Richard Burton, Robert Shaw, Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Robert Redford, Mel Gibson, Kirk Douglas
No. Whites should not be allowed to play non-white roles.
>>743265
>Greeks
>white
>>736048
The same could be said for Frederik the Great.
>>743265
Why?
>>740602
>Alexander died and his whole """empire""" went to shit immediately, because it was only tenuously held together by the power of his name.
This is true but you have to keep in mind that he was only 32 years old.
Just imagine for one sec what he could have accomplished if he has had the chance of ruling 20 years or so more.
Also the last hellenistic kingdom fell to the Romans 300 years or so after the death of Alexander. So parts of his legacy survived very long.
