Tell me about Aztecs and Mayans
>>71120
they got rekt by europeans
Mayan>>>>>>shit>>>>>Aztecs
>>71120
Aztec drinking age was 40-50, with violations punishable by death.
>>71146
Aztecs were keks and let eurpeans kek them
they belived they were gods
>>71120
Weird.
>>71152
How so?
Aztecs had a big empire
>>71163
Those were mayans, a lot of Aztecs died because Spaniards brought smallpox and other things.
>>71120
savages.
t. mexican.
>>71185
>aztecs thought it was a fantastic idea to sacrifice the best looking females, Mayans sacrificed war prisioners
>Those were mayans
but wasnt the mayan empire almost dead when yurop arrived?
I can't tell the differences between the two
>>71222
>but wasnt the mayan empire almost dead when yurop arrived?
Nope, actually when Spaniards arrived to Mexico, they arrived to Yucatan, a place with lots of Mayans.
>>71247
Mayans weren't dead, but the biggest cities weren't there anymore. They lived in small societies when Europeans arrived. It's still mostly a mystery how mayan cities fell
Their death whistle is chilling as fuck.
![Copan42[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xbY0OwC.jpg "Copan42[1].jpg")
Yax K'uk Mo pretty cool. He started off as a warrior-noble from a foreign city-state (thought originally to be from far-away Teotihuacan but strontium isotope analysis on his tooth pulp seems to indicate he grew up in Tikal which is closer), founded a city-state and a long-lived dynasty. He styled himself after a god that the Aztecs knew as Tlaloc, and wore some sikk looking goggles. Had a pyramid built for himself and was buried under it, and his descendants kept building more and more pyramids over the old ones with a passageway allowing them to visit his tomb and make sacrifices to him (which involved lots of incense and stabbing their dicks with stingray spines).
Also he had jade grills and his wife's skeleton was painted red.
read more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K'inich_Yax_K'uk'_Mo'
>>71120
Generally speaking they were cunts.
>>71308
Apparently Mayan society collapsed because of drought and deforestation:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-did-the-mayan-civilization-collapse-a-new-study-points-to-deforestation-and-climate-change-30863026/?no-ist
>>71247
Yes, and they were kicked out of there, they ran to tabasco where keks gave la malinche to them and proceeded to veracruz
>>71426
That's one theory and the most supported one, but there are other theories too. It's still not completely clear if that's the reason
>>71426
The whole problem is that it didn't actually collapse, the conquistadors actually had a really hard time subduing the Mayans.
Supposedly mayan upper strata of society were either revered as living saints or at least had mutual no violence agreement. In such a way that, if some domains were warring each other, the leaders of the losing side weren't even touched.
Which of course in many cases led to them organising a rematch asap.
>>71502
But the big and prominent Mayan cities were gone already, there were still some tribes left but very few cities
>>71426
Most Mexican historians have theorized that a really turbulent period of war between conflicting noble groups trying to dominate the region, all caused by the fall of Teotihuacan and the loss of their extensive trading networks, which included the Mayan zone obviously, and which provoked a power vacuum that led to the loss of many of the most powerful cities at the time (e.g. Dos Pilas), the fracture of the strict hierarchy system (since many nobles fled and abandoned their domains) and a decline of the Mayan region as a whole. But, as >>71502 pointed out, the mayans didn't really disappear as much as they dispersed and organized in less powerful and less concentrated groups and forms of organization, some of which weren't subdued until the end of the 19th century.
>>71470
This. Archaeology grad student here; I don't study the Maya, but I work with a professor that does. Most of the people studying the Maya are operating from theoretical frameworks that favor environmental causes heavily, so that's why you see so much emphasis on environmental causes. But, it's still somewhat open to debate.
I personally favor a more culture-based view of their "collapse." Basically, cultures in mesoamerica and south america seem to have mostly been driven by cultural cycles of expansion and conservatism. This is partially because their economies were based around intensive horticulture and they weren't really empires the way that western cultures were. Changing attitudes about the elites and how things should be done could just as easily account for the kinds of cycles that happened. In other words, it didn't need to be environmental, it could have just been people deciding that their practices were wasteful and deciding to stop.
they built some cool shit
>>71834
yup
>>71883
mmmhmm
>>72080
Let's post some pics
>>72137
sure
>>71201
Kek
The Aztecs would skin a sacrifice alive, take off the skin in one clean sheet, and wear it around for days after-words as a tribute to the gods.
They also believed that if this didn't happen at least once per day, the sun wouldn't rise the next morning.
>>72328
CUNTS
>>72328
>after-words
>>72328
>no source
Foreign diseases and civil wars due to succession disputes are one Hell of a drug
>>72404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture
>>72328
>Aztecs would skin a sacrifice alive
>alive
Source?
>They also believed that if this didn't happen at least once per day, the sun wouldn't rise the next morning.
Source?
>>72530
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture
>you will never be a conquistador
Succession Crisis: The Civilization
>>72548
Nothing found about the questions.
They didn't skinned a person while it was alive and their religion was more complex than just thinking the sun wouldn't rise.
>>72646
They didn't skinned a person while it
When the Aztecs sacrificed people to Huitzilopochtli (the god with war like aspects) the victim would be placed on a sacrificial stone. Then the priest would cut through the abdomen with an obsidian or flint blade. The heart would be torn out still beating and held towards the sky in honor to the Sun-God; the body would be carried away and either cremated or given to the warrior responsible for the capture of the victim. He would either cut the body in pieces and send them to important people as an offering, or use the pieces for ritual cannibalism. The warrior would thus ascend one step in the hierarchy of the Aztec social classes, a system that rewarded successful warriors.
>>72328
the people skinned for that ritual were dead. It would be almost impossible to pull the complete skin off a living person in that manner.
Also the ritual was for Xipe Totec, who flayed himself to give humans food. The skins the priests wore had a lot of symbolism, they'd wear them until they rotted off; symbolizing renewal by revealing their actual skin underneath and mimicking husk falling from ears of corn. It further symbolized the renewal of the earth's "skin," with vegetation dying in the winter and returning in the spring.
Too much Aztecs in this thread.
Maya were fucking based, I mean, look at these beautiful hieroglyphs.
>>72364
never heard of that one, neat
>>72328
Not everyday, Xipe Totec holiday was a rare occasion.
Also great resource for learning Maya writing:
http://www.famsi.org/mayawriting/dictionary/montgomery/
![IMG_1607[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ay9YXjy.jpg "IMG_1607[1].jpg")
>you will never wear the jawbones of your enemies strung on a necklace
>>71120
Basically the Aztec Empire began a century before the Spanish arrived.
they had the wheel, but only used it for toys. Couldn't tell you why they didn't have wheelbarrows.
>>72404
That in Mexico is general culture
>Also Pozole
>>74354
google "cartel pozole"
wont post it here cus this is a blue board, but some cartel guys know their history well-enough. Still waiting for the day they start throwing dismembered corpses down the steps of government buildings.
>>72250
I wish I had a time machine just to see these in their full splendor. Tribes that have managed to avoid contact with the modern world seem to just stick to huts and don't try to expand or build an empire. Kinda wish they would just to see if they'd attempt something to this scale.
Interestingly, Tenochtitlan was actually bigger than the majority of European cities.
>tfw you will never be a cacique with a qt native wife who chases off slaves trying to take you on wild goose chases
Contrary to what you may have learned in Mel Gibson movies, the Mayan civilization had collapsed before the Spaniards ever arrived.
There were Mayans still around, of course. Indeed, there are still Mayans alive to this day. But there civilization was gone.
As for the Aztecs. They were a tribute Empire. They raped and pillaged all the neighboring civilized Empires. You can kind of think of them as VIkings or Mongols, except with one big capital they brought all their swag back too. The big reason the Spaniards were so successful in causing their collapse was because they had so many enemies to fight alongside the Spanish.
The Spaniards already treated natives poorly before meeting the Aztecs, but did the encounter and victory lead to increasing cruelty on other tribes, believing that each native was as fucked up as an Aztec?
>>76528
Honestly the Caribbean natives were the ones who suffered the most. The siege of Tenochtitlan was specially cruel because there was no other way to defeat the Aztec.
>>76528
after tenochtitlan was defeated the spaniards and many leaders of the remaining señorios allied (tlaxcala particularly). it was an advantageous move for both, as those nobles got to maintain control of both their lands and their social organization while the spaniards didn't have to reorganize everything from the scratch, which would have been an enormous task considering the limited amount of men, how poorly they knew the territory and the existing settlements, the numerous quantity of existing languages with no available translators, etc. basically a logistic nightmare. the spaniards eventually gained control on those territories but it was the result of several different processes: evangelization, the start of the encomienda system (which allowed new conquistadores to explore and claim lands in exchange of payments to the spanish crown), new forms organization like cabeceras, miscegenation and the loss of power for the nobles and the start of overseas trading between new spain, spain and, eventually, asia.
>all those hundreds of thousands of golden artifacts melted down into bullion and doubloons
>hundreds of Maya books and manuscripts burned in a great pile to prevent 'idolatry'
Spain can never repay this debt to the world
>>72194
Could we have stories with these pics?
I know they're easily googled but it's much more interesting to get fellow anons to share what they know.
>>71618
Couldn't it be argued that the Guatemalan Civil War was by and large a conflict between the west and various Mayan societies? At least the parts of the conflict that took place in the mountains. I don't know as much about the urban theatre of that war.
>>77298
>hundreds of Maya books and manuscripts burned in a great pile to prevent 'idolatry'
>burning books
>ever
Literally the worst thing anyone can ever do. I'm positive somebody cured cancer at a point and we'll never know.
>>72828
So cool. Their art was simply amazing. The cartoonish aspects are so interesting. They used many of the same techniques modem cartoonists use.
>>74211
Have you seen the places they grew food? It just isn't realistic with so much rocky mountainous terrain. Traveling distances for trade would also involve paths that would not accept wheels readily. Lamas and alpacas do a better job, or you know, straight up carrying things.
>>77492
wheelbarrows are still pretty useful for construction and moving piles of dirt/bricks/stone.
>>77400
have some more
![Aztec-chinampas[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4BykHTW.jpg "Aztec-chinampas[1].jpg")
>>77492
also, the Aztecs grew food on chinampas, which were floating artificial islands. Are you mistaking them for the Inca? They were famous for their terraced farming.
>>77844
Love it. I live near the Art Institute of Chicago and my favorite section will always be the native American area. There's a pot decorated with bean soldiers. Little bean people with little spears waging little bean war. It's spectacular.
>>77931
I didn't know that. Very chill setting to grow food. I was more referring to the Mayans and to trade. You're right about wheel barrows being good for construction, but that's not what came to mind when thinking of wheels.
I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to south American culture. That's part of what makes it so interesting. It's a shame some people belittle them as savages and focus on the human sacrifice element. It's like they have forgotten that human sacrifice was one of the major reasons religions started calling for animal sacrifice in Eurasia. Of course much of the history of human sacrifice outside of America was destroyed due to new religions displacing old ones.
It would be so interesting to see how the southern/central Americans would evolve their culture given the same amount of time European and Asian cultures had.
>>77987
>used to go to school where I could get free access to AI
>never go because terrible weather/no time
I went to the Native American area too, once. Fun time. Though I simply felt weak in the knees when I got to that area with Hindu sculptures. It was like being a kid at a candy store, only I had no one to share my excitement with.
![revolt1321400453110[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZchK5ic.jpg "revolt1321400453110[1].jpg")
>>77987
that's probably a Moche vase depicting a theme known as the "revolt of the objects," a sort of anarchic scenario where the sun dies and common household items anthropomorphize and take up arms against humankind.
Real ass niggas
Death whistles, because ripping still-beating hearts out is not enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QuO09z-SI
![el-juego-de-pelota-asombro-a-miles-en-italia-580x386[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WlZeEJs.jpg "el-juego-de-pelota-asombro-a-miles-en-italia-580x386[1].jpg")
this sport needs to be brought back, and I feel like Mexicans should love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rReFhUtZzYc
Incas were better to be honest
>>71605
this is a really good book
I read in there was a custom of two warring tribes, where in captured prisoners of the battlefield were kept as guests for something like a year, and treated basically like royalty and allowed to fuck mad bitches and get decorated, but then they would just murder them after whatever time period had elapsed
practiced on both sides of the feud
>>79537
bone-chilling to be honest
>>79641
Hitting a ball with your hips is stupid, Rugby is better.
>>80292
I think you could also use your forearms and lower leg. It'd be cool to see it nowadays (of course minus the whole 'lets sacrifice the losing team')
>>71120
aztecs where posers, mayans all the way.
If you want a more serious answer you need to be more specific
>>71152
This.
Aztecs where a mongoloid tier culture, too into war and slavery while the Mayans where more into medicine and astrology, not much of a war civ, thats also why they got rekt even faster than any other prehispanic culture.
>tfw got to climb the big pyramid at Chichen Itza the year before they closed down the stairs
>>78360
Holy shit that's amazing. It's similar to Japanese objects coming to life after 100 years to terrorize people but more adorable. Little beans coming to life to attack people is just to cute an idea.
I'm going to visit the museum this weekend and see if you're right.
>>80466
is it this one?
http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/91555
>>78360
Which is probably related to the myth of the destruction of the wooden-men described in the popol vuh
"We were ground upon by you. Every day, every day, in the evening and at dawn,
always you did holi, holi, huki, huki on our faces. This was our service for you who
were the first people. But this day you shall feel our strength. We shall grind you like
maize. We shall grind up your flesh,” said their grinding stones to them.
hen spoke also their griddles and their pots to them:
“Pain you have caused us. Our mouths and our faces are sooty. You were forever throwing us upon the fire and burning us. Although we felt no pain, you now shall try it. We shall burn you,” said all of their pots. Thus their faces were all crushed
>>80601
dang, neato
I'm not sure if there's evidence of contact between the Maya and the Moche, but that passage and the Moche myth seem to have a lot of parallels.
>>71883
Coba is cool, I climbed it earlier this year. Really fucking steep though, and kinda scary as a result
>>71163
Aztecs thought the Spanish were the fabled representatives of Quetzalcoatl, said to return when the Aztecs were ready or some shit like that. Too bad Cortés decided to burn their stuff, leaving us only 3 books I believe
>>77392
The cure exists but has been suppressed by the elite. It is a very profitable industry after all.
>>81194
no they didn't
>>80601
>But this day you shall feel our strength. We shall grind you like
>maize. We shall grind up your flesh
That sounds so ominous
>>81194
Just coincidence or not every Spanish expedition was related to a special religious date and many omen took place shortly before the Cortez arrival, being they great astronomers appeared a completely unexpected comet for example. More precisely 14 pre-hispanic codices are what still left.
>>81370
They did thought the Spanish were Quetzalcoatl's representatives, until they met them at Tenochtitlan.
>>81574
>They did thought the Spanish were Quetzalcoatl's representatives, until they met them at Tenochtitlan.
No they didn't.
>>81617
Then what they thought about them?
>>81397
Its funny, because the wooden-people were destroyed because they couldn't remember and thus worship the creator gods, then the gods would make the first four men out of maize and the first four women out of maize and cattatil.
P.D: the wooden men descendants are now spider monkeys
>>81617
Yes they did, for a brief period of time.
>>81760
So how about you prove they didn't think they were gods then
>>81760
They didn't thought they were gods, but representatives. Montezuma's ambassadors noticed that in their first reunion in Veracruz when they offered a headdress to Cortez and incense offerings and he didn't knew what to do with them.
Montezuma still invited them to enter in Tenochtitlan because he wanted to know exactly who they were.
>>77392
Cancer is a blanket term for many many different forms of malignant ceelluar growth. Most have very little in common for there to really be a blanket cure.
>>82293
Still, people have made incredible medical achievements in the past. But you miss out on so much by just burning 1 book. Imagine if Asprin never made it out of Egypt.
up
>>71120
>Tell me about Aztecs and Mayans
>>71185
>Aztecs had a big empire
