Is Hungary the most butthurt country about its territorial loses?
Argentina is butthurt about territory they never even owned.
>>707665
I don't live in Europe and I don't know any Hungarians so it's hard to say, but Mexicans like to complain about the territory they lost to the United States.
Sorta related question. Why is some people saying Versailles was unfair when Austria-Hungary got it alot worse? At least the germans kept most of their land.
>>707691
Because the academic left will never blame something on a foreign power if they can blame it on their own country.
>>707696
This. The Central Powers deserved to be wiped off the map for they shit they pulled, but admitting that their own governments did the right thing is anathema to most social studies PhDs.
>>708031
>The land lost was mainly ethnic minorities was it not?
Yup. One of the big things pushed by Wilson at the end of the war was the idea of national self-determination. Superficially, the breakup of Austria Hungary by all of those treaties seems like a heavy-handed punishment for the losers, but it was more just recognizing the secession that had already taken place. All of the different ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary were already declaring independence as the war ended, Hungary included. However, Hungary took with it half the empire, thinking they could hold onto it.
The Entente clearly felt otherwise, so they facilitated the breakup of Hungary along the ethnic lines that the Austro-Hungarian empire was already breaking apart along. Of course, it wasn't exactly perfect, but it was by no means the Allies unfairly taking land from Hungary.
serbfag here, it's a tought fight. Although we are very butthurt about kosovo, I think Hungary wins the contest by being butthurt over northern serbia (vojvodina)
>>708172
So would by that logic couldn't you argue that Germany had it worse, as they were honoring alliances, yet they had heavy fiscal punishments, as well as the demilitarizing of parts of Germany, placing the burden of guilt on the German population.
>>708237
Somewhat. The problem was that Germany was just as complicit in the outbreak of war as the other primary belligerents, and, although you could make a good case to support how they handled the outbreak of war, you still have to understand that the Entente (and most of the world) saw it as Germany going up and declaring war on most of Europe unprovoked and even invading a neutral power.
Plus, the two other powers I'd argue were most responsible for the war reaching the scale it did (Austria Hungary and Russia) didn't exist anymore. The Habsburgs already got their punishment - their nation was dissolved, and, thanks to Wilson's emphasis on national self-determination, they couldn't really punish the successor states too much lest they harm the "liberated" breakaway states.
Germany, on the other hand, may have changed its government, but it survived the war intact and had caused the most suffering to the powers that emerged victorious. They definitely got it better than Austria Hungary, though, as the Allies couldn't reasonably claim that they were "freeing" nations by dissolving it. Of course, they tried to cripple Germany economically and militarily, but they still existed as a nation, which was more than any of the other Central Powers could say at the end of the war.
>>708031
Might be my map-painting simulator maki ng me think like that. But I feel like losing most of the territories your family had gained over hundreds of years is worse than economic problems. One you can recover from. The other is harder.
>>708263
Interesting but one again could argue that because of Austria didn't have those economical restrictions their populace was better off, those restrictions lead Germany like a leash down the path that they went. Germany was definitely worse off after WW2 than Austria was and I see this as a direct causation for those results
>>707681
Mexicans, or Chicanos?
>>708172
Wilson was a huge pussy.
>>708298
Well I'm not arguing that Versallies was necessarily the right idea in the long run, but the idea was to prevent all of the Central Powers from presenting a threat to the status quo for the forseeable future.
Austria Hungary and the Ottomans had already managed that themselves, and the Allies made sure to dismantle them under the doctrine of national self-determination. They couldn't do so with Germany, so they needed something else - in this case, economic sanctions - to prevent them from regaining their power.
Plus, Germany was always seen as the big threat to the Entente, moreso than any of the other Central Powers. Germany was tied to two dying empires, and ass the war showed, Germany was consistently the most capable of the Central Powers forces. It was the Germans that single-handedly pushed well into France and held a front against two major powers, and it was the Germans who did most of the heavy lifting against Russia and Italy as well. The Kasierliche Marine was a serious threat to the Royal Navy's control of the seas, while the Kaiserliche und Konigsliche was barely enough to contest control of the Adriatic.
The Entente didn't need to do much to cripple the dying empires, but they very much needed to do something if they didn't want Germany to rise again.
>>707691
Austrians had accepted our empire was dissolving before WWI even ended.
At the time the only thing that really bugged most German Austrians was that we weren't allowed to just join with the German nation.
Hungarians, on the other hand, clung to "muh magyar kingdom and sacred ancestral lands" like a mantra.
>>708346
>Hungarians, on the other hand, clung to "muh magyar kingdom and sacred ancestral lands" like a mantra.
I swear the Hungarians seemed to be hellbent on fucking up everything for the Central Powers.
>>708341
The question was if it was unfair though, and seeing as the Austrian people suffered less than the Germans, I don't see how it could be considered unfair to the Austrian people.
>>708413
Their "let us have our own special capital and parliament and defense army" didn't help with all the other problems the Habsburg empire had on its plate.
>Hungary has one job: produce enough grain to feed everyone
>fails
>>708439
>>Hungary has one job: produce enough grain to feed everyone
>>fails
Problem there was that they got all belligerent once food shortages set in. Rather than help the starving other half of the empire, they just shut down all exports and held food for the ethnic Magyars. Food shortages were so bad in Austria that they were having to import from Germany, but the Magyars (and only the Magyars - fuck the rest of the people in Hungary, apparently) were eating like the war wasn't even happening.
Throughout the war, they seemed to act like they wanted all the glory and prizes the war would bring but without having to share the hardship the rest of the empire was suffering as a result.
>>708309
>>707681
Never heard a Mexican complain though they are slowly taking it back.
>>708422
>seeing as the Austrian people suffered less than the Germans
I'd argue they didn't. Austria had by far the worst food shortages of the war (thanks to the Russians pillaging Galicia and Hungary being a bunch of useless cunts as always), and the territory losses it suffered at the end of the war, coupled with the declaration that they couldn't join Germany meant that they were even more crippled than Germany was.
Austria lost almost all of Cisleithania save Austria proper at the Treaty of Saint-Germain. Bohemia - a huge economic base - broke free, as did the former breadbasket of Galicia, South Tyrol, and the strategic port of Trieste. Austrians were suffering far worse through the entire war than the Germans ever did.
It was hardly unfair - Germany remained intact and only kept down by severe (but temporary) sanctions. Austria, meanwhile, was reduced to a landlocked shadow of its former glory.
>>708031
>Which sounds way less worse than having to go through hyperinflation due to massive penalties put on your country.
The hyperinflation was not caused by the reparations. It was caused by German war spending and by German belligerent economic policies after the war. The economic situation in Germany certainly was not helped by the reparations, but it was not caused by them - after all the goal of the Allies was to extract the payments from Germany.
nobody cares about trianon anymore
you are just showing your insecurity implying we would want anything back, just leave our magyars be non nations :^)
Talking about Austria and Germany and their respective degrees of "suffering" - remember that the reparations were not some kind of random punishment, they were not the victor gutting the defeated, they were not some indiscriminate punishment, they were not war indemnities (such as those imposed on France after the Fr-Pr War). They were clearly marked to make up for the four years of destruction that wrecked the economic and industrial base of France and most of Belgium. That is why Austria was not saddled with large scale reparations. Germany ran into the china shop and started breaking things and was now expected to pay for it.
>>708172
funny how that right to national self-determination only extended so far as the subjects of the Central Powers :o)
>>709320
Ah but when talking about Wilson and his self-determination principles, the important thing to note is that he was completely for keeping A-H intact. Yes, with a greater degree of autonomy for its constituent states, but complete nonetheless. It was only after serious pressure and lobbying by e.g. Czechoslovaks around Masaryk that he turned around.
>>708172
>eternal butthurt slavshit: the post
>>708346
The Habsburg Empire was literally made by accident with a few good marriages and luck.
The Hungarians owned the whole Carpathian Basin since at least the 10th century and the Treaty has left millions of them in the successor states.
>>709328
I actually didn't know that, but it makes sense now that you mention it.
It must have been fucking awkward for Wilson to try and peddle his self-determination agenda with the British and the French around. I can imagine he must have gone through some serious linguistic gymnastics to make it sound like "autonomy" in one context and "liberation" in another.
>>707665
No, not really. Especially considering how much Hungary lost, I'm honestly surprised that people aren't waaaaaay more butthurt.
Hungarians are used to the short end of the stick I guess, this was just the crown shit-jewel on a steaming pile of crap. I honestly doubt that Hungarian society will ever recover from the loss of moral that went on these last one hundred years.
>>707665
>lose most of your territory thanks to mountain germs
>WHY YOU SO LE BUTTHURT XD
well memed
Can Versailles treaty was unfair meme end?
Russia got a twice as rough deal for only honoring an agreement with Austria
Fucking Germans trying to justify ww2
Europe could have been wonderful had you just realized you weren't top shit and no one was going to let you
>>707665
Only the far-right cares about Trianon and getting back the 'muh sacred kingdom' territories anymore. Although there's been huge logical flaws concerning the new borders, an unnecessary large amount of ethnic Hungarians mostly living in areas close to the new borders (+Transylvania) were excluded.
>>707665
muh autonomy
we
wuz
not
hungary
and
shiet
>>709301
>The hyperinflation was not caused by the reparations.
No, it was.
Trianon and Saint-Germaine wasn't about ethnic self determination, that was a shameless facade constructed instead of saying we will fuck you up so hard you will never be relevant and emerge as strong German allies again.
The treaties cut through towns and villages inhabited by majority Germans or Hungarians, cutting deep into ethnic lines which it absolutely shat on if it didn't favoured the victorious party, it took away lands for their economic or strategic value not for ethnic statistics, it disregarded historical, organic regions and severed a well working economic structure of the empire.
>>708439
>>708579
Nice memes your educamation pushed down your throat.
You just ignore Hungary had its own capital, diet, army and laws since the states foundation and Hungarians revolted every time Austrians tried to take away them, these weren't privileges graciously granted by the Habsburgs but ancient traditions.
>muh hungarians kept all their foods to themselves
No shitheads, the harvests sucked in Hungary too owing to lack of man and animal power, grain harvested in 1917 or1918 was half of 1913 and Hungarians were on the verge of starving too, there were no supplies that could have been sent as relief to Austria.
>Throughout the war, they seemed to act like they wanted all the glory and prizes the war would bring
Hungarians wanted the war the least seeing it would bring absolutely no benefit.
>>707691
>>707941
It helps to read at least one native-produced book before deciding what happened in a country.
Austrians knew their government fucked up for hundreds of years and from week 3 in WWI, they were proving the worst military power in Europe, with Serbia down to old men and 14 year olds and still dealing double casualties.
Germans on the other hand held attrition very well while basically exhausting French and English will to fight for any reason and fucking up Russia so bad, they went Bolshevik.
Past the war record, it was never said that Versailles was intrinsically unfair, but unfair to a world power. Germany had room for recourse because, simply, she was still greater in defeat than the victors. France completely depended on the willingness of others to fight for survival, Britain for her empire. And yet these truths came to nothing as Germany, who took the treaty seriously until Hitler, could not fight back as France with her limp power invaded to the Rhine 3 time to exact reparations in goods and capital there.
Tell me, would any country honor such an agreement if they had the power not to? Its not about your social-democrat notions of fairness, its about rights as a power among powers. Germany was not in the wrong until Poland.
>>707665
Palestinian reporting in
>>710081
>Trianon and Saint-Germaine wasn't about ethnic self determination
No, of course it wasn't all those pesky fucking Hungarians in Slovakia, Vojvodina, Croatia and Transaylvania just pretended to be non-Hungarians as a joke
>The treaties cut through towns and villages inhabited by majority Germans or Hungarians
Where?
> cutting deep into ethnic lines which it absolutely shat on if it didn't favoured the victorious party, it took away lands for their economic or strategic value not for ethnic statistics, it disregarded historical, organic regions and severed a well working economic structure of the empire.
Examples
>>711928
>Where?
Komárom, an important city was essentially split in half. It is in that state to this very day.
>Examples
What do you mean? Northern Voyvodina, Southern Slovakia, Kárpátalja, the Partium, Transylvania were regions where ethnic Hungarians were in majority.
For fuck's sake, 30% of the Hungarians now found themselves in another country.
Also the new borders were made so it just excludes the great circular railroad network which now surrounds post-trianon Hungary, this single act alone destroyed the Hungarian systems of transportation which were heavily dependent on those railroads. To this day the Hungarian infrastructure is a clusterfuck, partly because of this.
>>708031
Avtually the worlds biggest hypeinflation happedned in Hungayry
>>711928
>Where?
Literally everywhere. Maybe except Austrian border.
Ethnic statistics of various towns that became foreign towns within 20km of the border:
Oradea: 91% Hungarian
Komárno: 84% Hungarian
Subotica: 59% Hungarian
Kosice: 75% Hungarian
Satu Mare: 91% Hungarian
Uzhhorod: 80% Hungarian
And the list can go on. You can also check any ethnic map in existence.
The border absolutely favoured economic-strategic considerations. Most of the Czechoslovakian border became the Danube despite the linguistic border running some 50km up north,. A large island in the Danube called Žitný ostrov in Slovakian was nearly 100% Hungarian at time with about 100 thousand inhabitants, was assigned to CZS due to proximity to Bratislava and being important agricultural area. Speaking of Bratislava, future capital of Slovakia, that town literally rebelled against Czechs since it was only 15% Slovak. But ethnic self determination was important right?
The Hungarian-Romanian broder is probably the most cringey, since its essential a parallel to the raiwlay that connects Arad-Oradea-Satur Mare.
Do I really need to go on?
>>714358
>>708031
This is true, Hungary holds the record with 41.900.000.000.000.000% monthly inflation.
>>714469
>Bratislava
Yeah, Pozsony was one of the most important historical cities of the Hungarian kingdom.
>>707665
Probably, but it's pretty justified. Denied independence for nearly 1000 years then 66% of land and population taken away, including large areas of Hungarian majorities. When Hitler gave Hungary land before/during WWII the Hungarians only took majority Hungarian land and still grew substantially. Should have had those borders in the first place.
>>707665
Trianon was patently absurd. I can't think of an equivalent overreach in modern history.
For comparison, Hungary lost a substantially greater proportion of its territory than Germany after WW1, despite doing very little to deserve that punishment.
>>708588
That territory will never again be part of Mexico
>>709301
You are right in the first part, second not so much.
>>708588
>Grow up in small town in Texas.
>85% Czech population, town meetings done in Czech, mass in Czech, school is even partially in Czech.
>Fast forward 70 years.
>Town now >50% Mexican.
>No more Czech language anywhere except for the very elderly.
>Same things happened to the German towns to our northwest.
>>707665
That would be Germany.
Turks also had a shit deal but they fight it and got a better, if not perfect, deal.
Hungarians should have fought like their fellow mongolians.
>>714469
Fair enough. You fail to take into account just how many Romanians lived in the rural areas, so there's that. Also, nowadays Magyar ethnics make up less than 30% of Transylvania's population, and a good chunk of them are concentrated in the poor-as-fuck Greenland style Alabama which is the Szekelyfold.
Now, I don't think the border was set right, it should have been set a bit more to the East, but it's been too late for that for many many years. Also, bare in mind that had it not been for the pressure put by the Entente, Romania probably would have just said fuck it in 1920 and set the border on Tisza, putting a natural border between the 2 countries and a very unnatural one for the Hungarians living in Debrecen and the surrounding areas. You got lucky m9-1, we were fucking pissed at you big time back then.
>>714586
Yeah, and Romania caused it in good part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian%E2%80%93Romanian_War
Read about the reparations. That's some rape and pillage shit.
>>717220
Hey man, we're not even allowed to complain about territorial losses during either war.
>>714601
>wuh-wuh we lost our clay
>clay in which we were largely a minority
>and a hated one at that
Not giving clay to Yugoslavia, Romania and Czechoslovakia would have meant a period of bloody civil war. Stop bitching.
>>714593
Which collapsed by 1540. Kolozsvar was also an important part of the Hungarian Kingdom, want that back too?
>>718886
>stettin
>posen
>breslau
>etc
Jesus that's harsh anon. But to be fair, you were the biggest cunts modern Europe has ever seen. I mean the soviet occupation of Eastern Europe was like a gentle caress compared to the German one
>>708031
The hyperinflation was a deliberate tactic to screw over the French, and it worked. Weimar Germany was recovering well until the great depression hit them and they started some extreme austerity measures that only the nazis and communists opposed.
>>709434
No, it wasn't.
>>716401
k o l a c h e
o
l
a
c
h
e
>>718897
You forgot the cradle of eternal butthurt Elsaß-Lothringen.
>>709314
This
France had it's most industrialized region fucking wrecked while no fighting took place in Germany.
>>709340
Lloyd George was somewhat skeptical of it, and Clemenceau was deadset against it.
>>718888
>Which collapsed by 1540. Kolozsvar was also an important part of the Hungarian Kingdom, want that back too?
Of -fucking -course, Kolozsvar was 80% hungarian in 1920, and guess whem did the power was handed to the commies? When Kolozsvar was occupied. It was as important to us as Budapest.
But yeah, you can argue that because of ethnic lines, Kolozsvar wouldn't has been able to join Hungady. Thats true, but making a parallel between this and Pozsony is a big as fail, as Pozsony itsrlf was 90% hungarian, and was totally surronded by hungarians.
>>718877
The Entence was the one who disarmed the Hungarian army, and didn't ask the romanians to stop invading hungary (who declared war on fucking germany, not hungary, so I don't know what kind of excuse they had for it, as the was was over).
Saying that we were lucky is jut a lie, you are trying to make a huge-ass matter into a tiny one.
>>719087
Yeah, the rural area around Kolozsvar was overwhelmingly Romanian, not to mention the city itself being in the heart of Transylvania.
And I did check the Pozsony claim and you're fucking right. I guess it was punishment and whatnot.
>>717228
Hungary is not Turkey, completely different geography, Turks were able to move back hundreds of kms into Ankara, Budapest is way too open for invasion.
For Hungarians its just an honoured tradition to whine about the past at this point.
The Habsburgs tried to destabilise and seize power from the Hungarians at every opportunity resulting in many peasant revolts. Trianon ripped a good 2/3rds of the country away from them (which resulted in many Magyar ethnic enclaves which are still shat on today). Then they had communism which they deeply disliked and tried to get rid of, and even though America pledged to rid the world of Soviet scum they did nothing to help in '56. Now Hungary is throwing away the EU which only serves to disintegrate the Hungarian peoples.
Hungary had nothing but suffering for the past 100 or so years and when shit just starts to look good they get invaded by a few million "refugees" and get vilified the world over for trying to trying to protect themselves. Its Nazi Germany all over again.
>Gain independence from Austria due to the self-determination policy the victors of WW1 enforced.
>Get pissy since that entails they can't have their own subjugated nations.
Hungarians.
>>718877
>romanian memes
>the post
>awful ones at that
>>717228
Hungarian army was disarmed in 1918, we had a whole German army too on our soil whom offered help but Entente pressured their internment. Also Hungary's natural borders lied in the Carpathians, once hostile armeis get over those its just one march through plains to all major cities, the strategic situation was all too different from Turkey's.
>>718877
Romania had absolutely no chance to take Tisza as the border, since all your acts had to be approved by the Entente. A single american officer halted Romanian gypsy style looting of Budapest museums for example.
> we were fucking pissed at you big time back then.
That hypocrisy bae, said the country that backstabbed its allies, got rekt and had to sign a peace treaty that gave(!) them land, but is okay since you were angry? Rapefugee tier argument there.
>>719618
>>719665
>>719090
Hungary confirmed for most butthurt.
>>719109
>EU only serves to disintegrate Hungarian peoples
Your kind is what is wrong with our country.
>>719406
>I know shit about history so I'll just greentext some dank memes :-DDDDD
>>719791
>I only know one-sided dubious shit about history so I'll greentext like a fag
>>719109
>hungary had nothing but suffering
Well, you allied with the Germans, twice, and for 50 years before that you shat on everyone living under your faggot fist. Also, give me examples of Hungarians being shat on in enclaves, when said Hungarians don't just bitch and moan about "muh trianon"
>>719752
>>719806
>I learnt history from youtube videos
>>719840
TRIANON
R
I
A
N
O
N
>>719840
>Romani people in Hungary (also known as Hungarian Roma or Romani Hungarians or Mađarski ciganin Sudžum; Hungarian: magyarországi romák or magyar cigányok) are Hungarian citizens of Romani descent. According to the 2011 census, they compose 3.16% of the total population, which alone makes them the largest minority in the country,[12] although various estimations have put the number of Romani people as high as 5–10 percent of the total population.
Even in Romania gyppos speak Hungarian. Care to guess why?
>>719842
It sure is /pol/ around here
>>719752
picture white hungarians as romanian shitskins
>cigány memeing at it's best XDDDD
it was almost solved
all we had to do is backstab romania before romania backstabes us (again), and stalin would had favoured us
but we had a spine
>>719942
>almost solved
Ribbentrop-Molotov was overturned immediately after the wars, especially considering how you stood by Chaplin til the end. And even if you hadn't, you still would have lost all that clay you stole
>we had a spine
Code word for "we were a bunch of dumb faggots"
>>719953
>you stole
no u stole, we stole it back, haha
seriously this argument is stupid and boring as fuck, the best possible scenario would had been if transylvania becomes a country on its own
>>719965
>transylvania becomes a country on its own
M9-1, that is absolutely beautiful. I genuinely like Hungarians more than those shitheads from across the mountains.
>>707665
I don't think any nation in the history of the universe will ever be as butthurt about territorial loses as much as Serbs are because of Kosovo.
If we could turn butthurt into a source of electrical energy all we'll need to do is hook up Serbia to it and just sad "Kosovo" and boom. Infinite power source!
>>720414
>I don't think any nation in the history of the universe will ever be as butthurt about territorial loses as much as Serbs are because of Kosovo.
I can think of one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Navy
>>719109
>The Habsburgs tried to destabilise and seize power from the Hungarians at every opportunity resulting in many peasant revolts
Most of Hungary was still ruled by hungarian nobles, and most of those peasant revolts were against the hungarian diet because they continually shat on them.
Hungarians bitch and moan about loss of territory and about how "terrible" their minorities are being treated, but they conveniently forget that they consistently chose to shit on the non-hungarians within their borders to the point where they refused help from them against austrians because they were asking for something as basic as being allowed in cities.
>>719942
>we had a spine
gr8 b8 m8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Panzerfaust
>>720414
I don't get the big deal over Kosovo.
>>723488
>m-m-muh great serbia
serbs just can't deal with the fact that they are an irrevelant, tiny, disposable, barely mattering nation, and their ego can't take that all of the people, albanians are the ones who are able to take "clay" from them, fucking albanians who are even more subhuman than them
Let's try to have a little more actual history and a little less /pol/.
>>723761
Why do you low IQ morons confuse /int/ with /pol/ all the time? This shit is vintage /int/.
>>723804
This is /his/ not /int/ though. Can't see why this is so hard to understand.
>>723804
I honestly never go to /int/. Too much shit flinging.
>>707665
>tfw Portuguese
>no important territorial loses (in the metropolis) since the country was formed
feels good to be honest m8s
get rekd pseudo-huns
>>723980
I know this thread is shit. Just stop using /pol/ as an umbrella term for shitposting.
>>718888
Pressburg was literally the Hungarian capital until early 19th century when it got moved to Buda.
>>718888
>bloody civil war
With Serbia, yes. With Romanians, perhaps. With Slovaks, fuck no.
>>724033
Tell me why and maybe I'll stop :^)
>>724053
Because it's not even the most shitposting board on 4chan perhaps? /int/ and /sp/ are much worse in that regard with le ebin banter culture and nonstop bait
>>724055
Oh, guess I'll try to preserve the good name of /pol/ :^)
>>719665
Turkish army was disarmed as well.
>>709389
This and this.
>>708616
Actual Austrian here.
I travelled through the 'old' crown lands and have to say, damn shame that Saint German tore up Austria for good. I always wondered why the brits let that happen. They were so concerned with the balance of power and not leaving middle europe to germany alone.
>>720677
There was only one peasent revolt in Hungary specifically against nobles, and that was before Habsburgs. The other revolts were aimed against Habsburgs, lrn2history.
> they consistently chose to shit on the non-hungarians
Umm no, there were maybe 1-2 bad decades during Austro-Hungarian era that could be labelled somewhat oppressive although still hardly different from standard practices of the era.
There were no distinction based on ethnicity before the 1800s anyway so this muh 1000 year oppression is just one big meme.
>>720677
What a load of shit.
>>707670
Rekt as fuck. Upboated chap
>>707665
The Serbians are pretty more butthurt than the Hungarians at this point. The Hungarians rank pretty high up there, they kind of got fucked haha.
>>724730
>serbs zerg and steal vajdaság from hungary
>100 years later albanians zerg and steal kosovo from serbia
pottery
