Why did Turkey feel it was necessary to exterminate their Christians?
>>703402
It was more a case of amernians and greeks being extreemly hostile and subversive to the turkish state to the point they were willing to assist and align with foreign nations.
christians are scum
>>703414
Assyrians too?
>>703414
You can replace that with Jews and Germany and you just defended the holocaust you fucking racist scum!
>>703446
Try saying that from the bottom of a pit traitor
>>703414
One village being offered citizenship by Russia = genocide all the Armenians. Perfectly reasonable.
>>703402
why do you feel it matters enough to make a post?
>>703456
Explaining the motives of a group does not justify. Grow the fuck up, life's not a Disney movie
>>703402
K*rds chimped out.
>>703402
It was regretable, and i don't think there is any sane person denying that the killings happened. The reason why its "genocide" status is debated is because genocide would imply that the Turkish government intended it to wipe out the population rather than a forced relocation away from the front so that they could not aid the enemy - with mass deaths being caused by disease, lack of supplies, exhaustion, and unruly gendarmes and Kurdish highwaymen.
The U.S conducted forced internment during ww2 when there was no fighting on its soil. The Turkish empire intended the same thing( according to our position) but simply lacked the ability to do so without massive casualties
t. Turkish student
>>703745
Trail of Tears is considered genocide
>>703745
>genocide would imply that the Turkish government intended it to wipe out the population
They actively did wipe out the populations. They massacred people.
>>703402
The Turks spent a good half century losing almost all their holdings in Europe to Christian nationalist movements. Combined with the rise of Turkish nationalism I suppose many in the Turkish government saw an eventual fight lest they end up like the Balkan/Caucasian Muslim refugees flooding Istanbul and Eastern Anatolia. The real plan was likely limited to some ethnic cleansing and population exchanges however, with the violence that resulted in near extermination a combination of famine, tribal raiders, and a general incompetence of Ottoman logistics and legal order.
>>703776
Which the US government denies as such.
>>703856
U.S. doesn't deny it's genocide.
>>703416
Are you a redditor, a fedora, or a terry?
>>703871
You're right. The US government just ignores any attempt to officially recognize its various Indian Removal policies as genocide.
>>703893
What do you mean, do you know much is paid in reparations?
>>703919
And? They're not paying for the crime of genocide.
>>703779
well the idea is that wasn't the governments orders, but those in charge of actually carrying out the orders had their own ideas.
>>703929
That's because the deal they made with the Native Americans happened before the term "genocide" acquired wide parlance.
>>703937
I'm pretty sure the government gave them leeway to carry out the orders any way they saw reasonable.
>>703968
Which doesn't change any facts here.
>>703993
Which is that you're using the And You Are Lynching Negroes tactic?
>>704064
No, but nice try trying to deflect.
Trail of Tears isn't considered genocide by the U.S. government.
>>703402
They were at war and trying to survive. Christians have done it too.
>>703456
>holocaust
lol There is no holocaust. If it would be he defended a great thing.
They did it for le unification
Part of it was Armenians siding with Russians, part of it was Greeks conspiring with Russians and Westerners, part of it was kebab removal in Bulgaria and other places during the Balkan wars, but mostly the problem was the chaos due to the war. Everyone was starving and Turks and Kurds blamed the eternal Christian for it.
>>703745
>The reason why its "genocide" status is debated is because genocide would imply that the Turkish government intended it to wipe out the population rather than a forced relocation away from the front so that they could not aid the enemy - with mass deaths being caused by disease, lack of supplies, exhaustion, and unruly gendarmes and Kurdish highwaymen.
The argument that the Turkish government couldn't foresee the devastation caused by the forced relocations tends to fall apart when you look at all the other forced relocations that had happened in recent history. Nearly every major forced relocation that had happened across the world led to horrible devastation of the populations being affected.
Even if we do somehow believe that the Turkish government was ignorant enough to believe that the relocations would be completely harmless, they're still complicit to the damage done by continuing the efforts well after it became clear that countless people were dying and suffering as a result. Their unwillingness to make efforts to stop the devastation happening as a result of the relocation seems to support the idea that it was part of the plan all along.
>>706682
It was a mistake, guy.. just let it go Hovasian
>>703872
what's a terry?
>>703776
lol what? Maybe if you think all forced relocations constitute genocide.
>>708574
There's literally no way it could reasonably be called a mistake. It was a well established fact at the time that forcible relocation anywhere led to pretty terrible suffering. There's no way the Turkish government could have been so criminally incompetent so as to not only be unable to protect the victims but also be completely unaware of their suffering.
By continuing the relocation well after it was apparent that it was reaching genocide-levels of suffering, the Turkish government is just as complicit as the local factors that committed the atrocities directly.
>>704094
Nobody cares.
Manifest Destiny.
>>703402
To form a homogenous Mongol Turan Kemalist Tengri National Socialist nation state.
It was not a genocide. It was an ethnic engineering, we learnt it from russians.
>>703402
Islam and Christianity are mutually exclusive, and Islam most certainly believes in killing anyone who will not "revert" to Islam.
>>710390
Young Turks were more about nationalism, nation-state and Turanism than they were about a religious state.
Christians were killed, especially Armenians, because they were obstacles on this course.
>>704094
its irrelevant when we're not talking about the united states retard. I wish i had flags on this board so i could see your turkish one mehmet.
>>710277
>Kemalist
nice chronology
>>710369
Please get off my board, Turk.
>>703402
Stalin demonstrated that if you have a problem with a man, and you kill the man, you have solved that problem.
>>712676
How convenient.
>>703402
>implying genocide wasn't something those that genocided brought on themselves
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t. kurd
>>703462
*looks upward and moves hands to mouth as to amplify the sound*
"HELLO MEHMET"
For the most part, at least as far as the Young Turks were concerned, it had little to do with their being Christians specifically. For them, it was very much a cynical, secular thing. On a local level, though, I'm sure prejudice had a sizable influence.
Greek and Armenian speaking Muslims, as well as first-generation converts and those who had married and assimilated into Turkish families, were prosecuted with the same violence. Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians in the east tended to be Christian, yes – but many Cilicians, Cappadocians, and western Anatolians who were killed or forced out of their homes were Muslim.
It should be noted that by and large, Orthodox Georgians, Levantine Arabs, Yazidi Kurds, &c. were not targeted. I'd argue that with the Assyrians, the religious motive may have been larger, but not so much with Armenians and Greeks.
