For the past several years, I've on and off been researching ancient Slavs. However, the records which I can find in English are few and far in between. Can anyone here recommend me some books in English or their native language (translated) about the Ancient Slavs, their religion, social structure, physical appearance and other facts relating to the Early Slavs pre-separation into west, east and south Slavic tribes?
>>25186
Here are some things I found:
http://survincity.com/2010/10/ten-commandments-of-moral-ancient-slavs/
Pic is approximated appearance of ancient Slavs.
>>25219
http://www.ancient.eu/Slavs/
http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/slavic-mythology.php
![0_4e5f5_12ac117e_orig[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xComuAQ.jpg "0_4e5f5_12ac117e_orig[1].jpg")
>>25186
Oh, it's an extremely tough thing to do. The problem here is that there's fuckall we actually know, main reason for that being that Slavic culture was not that advanced by then, so it got very easily assimilated/incorporated into Christian tradition.
As far as, say, Eastern Slavs go, we don't even know their fucking pantheon. One of the only well-known sources, for example, is the chronicle about Prince Volodymer's pagan reform, and nobody actually knows which logic was the foundation in restructuring the gods. Some say it's just ones he liked the most.
In other words, you're left with researching indirect evidence in stuff like folklore or language history if you really want to learn the truth. If you don't, you end up with pic related and other types of historical schizophrenia.
>>27265
I know these sort of pictures are totally historically irrelevant, but i just find them so appealing visually. Do you have any more ?
>>29361
Don't know the artist, I just searched for "hyperborea" on google. It seems to have a lot of similar hits.
>>29361
Not the guy who posted that, but I have a whole folder of those.
GERMANS GIVE BACK ARKONA
WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU
>>29454
>>25186
Weird shit, all of it. Not much is known since we didn't have a writing system and even if we did we wrote down shit on wood that god destroyed and stuff
Source: am slav, also have a little book about slavic mythology
>>29484
Anyone got those "Slavs came from space" arts?
>>29526
Posting right now, senpai.
>>29540
>>29571
Okay, that latter one doesn't really look Slavic, but it's in the same style.
>>29591
I'll dump my gods, now.
>>29652
>my gods
My pics of gods, before anyone spergs out.
>>29677
Belobog and Črnbog are, as far as I know, reconstructions.
Hors, on the other hand, is supposedly an Iranic influence.
>>29699
Wow, check all those dubs.
>>29712
AFAIK, Radegast is exclusive to the Western Slavs.
>>29728
>>29753
I hope anyone watching is comfy. I've got loads of pics.
>>29762
The Slavic pantheon is pretty confusing. The main god is either Svarun (Svarog), Svetovid, Perun or Triglav.
Also, Triglav is a figure, similar to the Christian God - made of three parts. The only problem is, every text has different three names.
>>29837
Back to general pics.
>>29856
Even if no one responds, I will keep posting.
>>29873
>>29762
These are fucking amazing, where did you even find them?
nice dump bro, im lurkin
>>29873
I'm saving everything , pls keep posting
OP this is a great thread, keep going.
>>29894
>>29992
Somewhere on the Interwebz. Some are from that place called 4chan, too.
>>30015
That's great to hear.
>>30039
Not OP desu.
>>30176
sill keep going this is all looks like paradise and gives me a warm feeling of national pride.
>>30176
Feels good to be posting on the Slavic dominion of /his/.
>>30205
These pictures is how Svarga looks like. One day lads...
>>30228
>>30246
>>27265
>tfw you will never in a winter village like this
why even live?
>>30277
>getting 77 dubs twice in the same thread
Y'all Nemci even trying?
>>30378
>missed that 77
>>30399
DESU
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Will my dubs train ever stop?
>>30423
>>30423
Who is the artist?
>>30432
Oh right, that's the god Jarilo. Sorry lads, not all of my pics have titles. There's probably more gods in my folder...
>>30462
No idea senpai desu
it is my opinion, which might not be correct, that the way in which people today try to make the slavic gods seem more ''nordic'' somehow, like we see in these images, is wrong
what little i know about the, now mostly lost, mithology of our peoples drags me into the conclusion that slavic gods, and slavic pantheons, were somehow composite, modular, and antropomorphic only as a symbolic form, not fixed
consider than many gods overlapped in their domains and atributes, like svetovid was a war god, but so was perun, he was a god of farming but there were other gods specificaly for fertility and crops and climate and so on, many surviving idols have 3, 4 or even 7 heads, many have numerous hands and limbs, holding all sorts of weapons tools and other atributes, some gods were sort of absurt compilations of meme-like symbols, like veles was a serpent-dragon with a long beard and goat horns and a sheaperds walking stick, and similarly to the egiptian system many of the same gods or 'god-clusters' were represented in different ways as if the actual form wast that important, but the information contained in the symbolism was
idk, maybe im all wrong, but it seems to me the slavic mythology was to them basicaly a language they used to explain reality to each next generation, sets of didactic representations of principles and patterns, apparent laws and regularities, not literaly as a thing to be worshipped, apparently you could even swear at the gods, and worship gods that were obvious opposites in conflict and so on, and it was all fine, as long as you didnt ''break the laws'', like lie, steal or ''use magic''
>>30477
I AM THE DUBS GOD
Also, that's Čur (Chur) in the last pic.
>>30522
Good post thx
>>30522
Nice dubs. I wouldn't really say there's anything Nordic about these pictures.
It's true though, Slavic mythology is "different". In Slovene myths, we have a "god" called Pust, who's realm is drinking and just being a nuisance (like an old version of the shitposter). Also, a curse word among South Slavs is literally "I fuck your god", which is thrown around a lot in the Serbian-speaking countries.
>>30643
Great meme desu
>>30691
S-Stop stealing my dubs, g-guys.
>>30708
Possibly. There is no reason to think there was a concept of duality in Slavic belief, seeing how there was a god for everything.
>>30749
Okay, some of these latest pics seem to be from Russian myths that I am not familiar with.
>>30779
>>30749
>here is no reason to think there was a concept of duality in Slavic belief, seeing how there was a god for everything.
Thats true for most European pagan belief systems, duality mostly comes from Zoroastrianism and Judaism.
>>30787
That last guy is Perun's messenger, for anyone's information.
Daily reminder that we were first
>>30522
That sounds similar to some of the thinking around the celtic mythology and oral tradition. They're like mnemonics tied to the geography.
I don't know so much about elsewhere, but the southern slavs have an unusual relationship even with Christian God. I wonder if that reflects their pagan religions on some level. Marina Abramovich did some pieces reenacting medieval Serbian pagan rituals where women would punish God by showing their vaginas.
>>30847
Tako je.
>>30913
>>30930
>>30998
>>30643
this is not /pol/ or /int/, you homdork
>>31028
>>31057
>>31076
>76
>not 77
>>31119
>>31032
>>30913
So slavs basically worshiped Chaos.
> Marina Abramovich did some pieces reenacting medieval Serbian pagan rituals where women would punish God by showing their vaginas.
Marina Abramovich is a new age hippy feminist c*nt, i would take that with a whole ocean of salt.
>>31146
Great bantz, friend. You are obviously an expert.
>>31152
No, that's just Perun, the god of lightning.
>>31200
>>30866
it would almost seem the gods werent exactly 'holy' in the jeudo-christian sense, kind of how phisical laws arent taught as 'holy laws' even tho we believe they govern reality
and there are strange ambiguities in the gods themselves, like perun was -the one that strikes- literaly his name, and he was obviously the thinder god, the sky father etc, but he wasnt 'good' just like his enemy veles, the god of the underworld and death but at the same time of water and of everithing that grows and is reborn, wasnt 'evil', and their conflict was simply a necesity, it could not not happen, and if it did stop at any point everithing would stop and our reality would just rot away in entropy
that means there is no eschatological point to it, it just happens and if it didnt happen wed all dissapear, but then it cannot not happen, ant ther is no end to it, ever
its diffrent from abrahamic logic, even from other pagan logic, its not just the lack of information about it that confuses us today, but it might just be that even the word 'god' didnt realy mean the same thing as it does to us
>>31200
I know, but the sun symbol on his shield looks like the Chaos star from 40k any sauce on it?
>>31237
>>31254
I guess the artist wanted something that looked like lightning. The artist seems to be someone with the surname Korolikov.
>>31312
>>31323
>>31335
Pavel Korolikov
>>31352
>>31364
Woah woah woah, hope Hirohito doesn't see the "parts" on that one.
>>31385
>>31420
That's Morana in the last one.
>>31456
>>31472
>>31254
peruns simbol is a hexagram with different variations of internal decoration, kind of like saturns, called thunder mark, that is gromoviti znak, or a 7 sided kolovrat, but today people are retcooning all sorts of shit like axes and svastikas and whatever
>>31514
Isn't kolovrat a form of a swastika, though? Not trying to meme here.
>>31504
>magura
that's a mountain range in poland/slovakia
>>31551
it is
and check out "ręce boga"
>>31551
thanks
saved every single one
>>31585
>ręce boga
Yeah, I'm familiar with that, too.
>>31604
You ain't seen nothing yet, friend. I've got at least twenty more.
>>31634
>>31663
>>31683
>>31701
>>31718
>>31745
>>31782
Early Slav studies are difficult and ideologically loaded. Gimbutas is a possible starting point but she's notably nutty.
Go pick up Riasanovsky's History of Russia and read the short intro chapter on the origins of the Slavs. He gives a decent quick overview of how difficult it is to say anything and how people bicker over it.
>>31810
>>32046
>>32063
Title under the last pic says Werewolf.
>>32092
>>32164
>>29361
>I know these sort of pictures are totally historically irrelevant
only decoration and coloration, but wooden structures itself quite plausible
look what exclusively wood buildings russians built before they started petrine westernization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5Hf5t03_Q
i suspect those slavic fuckers are more ancient culture than we think, but they have a tradition to go total bolshevik and destroy themselves every few centuries
>>32188
Those will be some of my last dubs here as I have posted almost all of my pics from the folder.
>>32272
>>32290
>>32350
>>32375
>>32425
>>32438
Okay lads, that's all she wrote. My whole folder is here for you to see and save.
Hope you enjoy.
>>29830
Triglav means three-headed
>>32512
I know, friend. Every head is supposed to represent a different god - one for Svarun, one for Perun and one for another god (sometimes Veles).
>>30749
Poждeниe Beликaнa?
Birth of the giant
>>32579
Indeed. I didn't write the titels of all of them (I can't read some of them), so thanks.
>>32549
could the 3rd one be Świętowit?
>>32859
Possibly. As I've said, the texts are not united on Triglav's three god-elements.
Svetovid actually has his own stories, too. In some creation myths, he is the first god who created the world from his tears.
>>30779
Paтники y Кoлoдca
Ratnik at Kolodsa? No idea what that means.
>>30998
Hoчь нa ивaнa кyпaлy
Ivan Kupola's night
>>31028
Heчнcтики - some weird ghost things, they don't feel attached to material things, they don't feel rage and shit.
>>31057
Sky Kingdom Irium; or Irium's Sky Kingdom
>>31076
Forest spirits
>>31119
Lel - defender of singing birds
>>31200
Finnistyas Eagle?
>>31272
Talk with god
>>31323
Cry for home?
>>31364
Father of the sea and mother of land?
>>31385
Fuck, they had the constellations nailed back then? amazing
>>31420
Morana's face is scary.
>>31606
Indicus-beast
>>31634
Golden grandma? huuh?
>>31663
Igorius - wolf herder
>>31683
An awesome wallpaper
I'll continue later
>>33103
Ratniki - warriors? I know rat is war in Serbian.
>>32549
there is also the variation on the heads being blinfolded or not, both with apparently different meanings, also iv read somewhere that sometimes the heads were animal, often goats heads, but idk how good online source are, either way these things are the easiest to check out since they are based on material remains, even if we dont know how to decifre them
im trying to get my hands on a copy of vitomir belajs 'hod kroz godinu / walk trough the year', apparently its the confirmed authority on south slavic lore, but its realy hard to find
many of the older etnographers that much of the info comes from were either romaticist imbecils(not that the two arent synonims) or ideologicaly burdened in al sorts of ways so you cant realy tell if what they write down isnt just pouring out of their ass
nego fakat, jel ko ima belaja u nekom pdf-u pa da metne na rapišare ili torent
>>33103
>Ratnik at Kolodsa
Warriors by the well
How could we describe Slavic paganism?
It's not as physical as Roman/ greek polytheism
It's not as druidistic as Celtic
It's not as polytheistic as Germanic either.
Some of the cyrillic variations are simply gorgeous - the one in the pics above especially.
>>33165
Well, I'm not serbian and I wouldn't know.
I know some slavic languages, so I'm trying to help y'all a bit to understand them more.
The titles would probably be a google search away, but I'm gonna try my best.
>>33165
do you know any related words to "rat"?
interested to see if it's a common slavic word in a way
>>33282
Rat, ratnik. In Slovene, we would use vojna (war) and vojak (soldier).
I'm not an expert on Serbian, I just understand it. That's how Slavic languages work, kek.
>>33103
>Ratnik at Kolodsa
Soldier/warrior by the well?
Got to love Glagolithic, too.
>>33225
>>33403
only, those letters were invented to christianize the slavic populations, as the story goes one of the basic problems faced by chiril and method, and other would be baptizers of slavic peoples, was that the language was so different the existing alphabets themselves were next to useles, so they had to invent a writing system to bring them to the scripture, since their whole religious culture was ritual and oral and absurdly robust at that, and the evangelizing based on the christian scriptures just didnt work
>>31701
Snow White
>>31718
Alkonosta's gifts
>>31745
Gradivnik
>>31782
One day?
>>31810
God of time.
>>32046
Oxen Duke?
>>32092
I have some trouble reading this one. Is it Vargag? Varbog?
>>32164
Vazila
>>32188
Brodnitsa - a man or a woman who keeps the rest of the men safe and performs magic
>>32272
God's forest.
>>32290
Shore god? Shore woman?
>>32350
Belovode; white-water, clear water
>>32375
Aspid
I might be misleading you guys; my knowledge isn't near as good as a real slav.
>>33165
paтник is warrior in russian
>>33502
You are correct, but as far as I know, Ciril and Metod (sorry, don't know the English names) were Slavic Macedonians and they made Glagolitic for Slavs, so this is pretty much the first recorded Slavic writing system. Any earlier alphabets were lost in time (although they're probably still present in some cave or on some piece of pottery somewhere).
>>33563
and in ukranian and in croatian and in bulgarian and in serbian and i.........
>>33617
yes its funny how this works
>>33617
I never heard the word ratnik being used in the bulgarian language.
the word for a warrior in bulgarian is voinik.
>>33553
One day should probably be Times of day, and that other picture with four squares is Times of the year.
>>33727
Oh fuck
you're right
I mistook гoдa for god.
Really sorry.
What would distinguish the different Indo-European tribes - Germanic, Celtic and Slav? Besides the language families ofc
>>33763
No need for that. If I wasn't a Slav myself and didn't take a one-year course in Russian - that's why I can read cyrillic - I wouldn't know even 1% of it.
>>33791
Language and culture are pretty much the only things. Haplogroups show that we are much more related than previously thought. And it's only logical, considering the evolution of the Indo-European languages.
>>33553
>Brodnitsa
I fucked this one too. It's a person who wanders during the night AND performs magic.
>>33718
thats funny in croatian theres a difference betveen ratnik, vojnik and borac, ratnik meaning warior, as in just, warior, like paramilitary, vojnik means soldier, official military, and borac just means fighter, then theres also bojovnik which pretty much covers the lot but is rarely used
>>33897
Slovene has vojak and borec, but no ratnik.
>>33966
Bulgarian, same here.
Borec means someone who fights; a fighter.
Voinik is a warrior - as in a soldier.
>>33774
>C&M just took all the credit
anyway their main achievement is translation of the bible, it's way bigger than creation of a script
>>33966
I think rat is only present in Serbo-Croatian languages, and Old Church Slavonic. Russian has the word too (paть), but it's obviously a loan from Old Church Slavonic as it has West/South Slavic liquid metathesis instead of the East Slavic one (it should be οpοть, like the pair grad/гopoд)
I have no idea where it comes from though.
>>34192
>οpοть
they have "rota" meaning company in the army
Germans wrote the history.
How are you supposed to find any Slavic history?
Lugii > Rugii > Rani
Certain "German tribes" were for sure Slavs.
We have to find some other ways of knowing Slavs, because history is written.
>>33718
Ratnik is an old form which is barely used now, But if you open an older dictionary or probably a new one you'd find it in there.
>>34404
>>34500
in old bulgarian it means warrior. In new bulgarian, it means somebody who fought for something.
close enough
This thread seems to be done. Still, let me post some more.
>>30930
>hilt is angled
>blade is flat
REEEEEEEEEE SHIT PAINTING
>>36511
>he cannot into perspective
>>33791
Arbitrary differences in culture and demeanor. Slavs have some Iranic influence but are otherwise the same as Germanics. Celts are more mercantile than Germanics and Slavs. Germanics were obsessed with cultural purity. It's mostly trivial in the big picture.
>>36566
The artist cannot into perspective, that's a comic book-tier error.
>>36950
I'm saying you're looking at the picture from the wrong perspective :^)
>>37064
wew, gopnik ;^)
>>37529
I prefer to be called a kosez, tbqh lad
>>25186
They've had a form of written language which they've used before they've adapted themselves to the Greek based Slavic alphabet of Old Church Slavonic.
"Before, the Slavs did not have their own books, but read and divined by means of strokes and incisions, being pagan. Having become Christian, they had to make do with the use of Roman and Greek letters without order , but how can one write Slavic well with Greek letters... and thus it was for many years."
>>25219
a bit short for Ancient Slavs.
"main reason for that being that Slavic culture was not that advanced by then, so it got very easily assimilated/incorporated into Christian tradition"-They've had a similar level of development as Germanic counterparts and they weren't assimilated,but converted which is a completely different thing.
>>34398
They began to write history,but even they couldn't destroy our presence in the annals of European history,even though they've tried to.
>>38077
Underrated post.
The question seems to be one of WHO would do the invading, rather than of being invaded or not.
this thread is fucking gold OP, you're doing Belobog's work
fuck it feels good to be slav
>>37853
>They've had a similar level of development as Germanic counterparts
Hoe do you know? For instance in Slovenia and Austria, not a single Slavic votive object or religious structure was found until the discovery of the syncretic 'Triglav' statue in Carinthia in the early 21st century. Even so, it was just a reworked post-Roman bust based on a Constantinian-era likeness of a woman, perhaps a goddess or a member of the royal family.
>>36180
I had no idea they got that deep into Greece.
>>38697
I believe the map is still very conservative. Going by haplogroup maps and by analyzing geographic names as well as linguistics in general, it should be expanded to South Germany and Hungary - although in the case of the former, it wasn't a settlement on the same level as in the lands still inhabited by Slavs today.
But yes, at one point, there were Slavic tribes inhabiting Greece as well (just like there were a lot more Albanians down there), but they mostly assimilated into the local population.
>>38820
>Hungary
genetically, hungarians are slavs
but it were hungarians who ruled, not the other way round
