what explains the fact that today australia is a rich, wealthy, militarily strong first world country, despite the fact that it is esentially a giant wasteland island in the middle of the ocean inhabited by the worst of the worst british convicts?
disclaimer: i'm not making this thread on /pol/ because i don't want "muh white supremacy" as an explanation. i want to know what actually happened for australia to become what it is today.
Usually colonies where the natives are (mostly) wiped out are easily able to replicate the societies that they originated from.
On the other hand, places like India and Africa where the native people are the vast majority and already have their own institutions, cultures, languages, economies, ideologies, etc, aren't going to adopt Western civilization overnight and so they end up struggling to keep up.
Settlers in Australia didn't have to give up their whole culture to adopt a more successful one, they just had to recreate what the knew at home. Even convicts were already familiar with the civilization they came from, so it wasn't really an impossible task.
As for agriculture, I'm pretty sure Australia is well suited for cattle ranching, they were just never introduced before colonisation. Besides, the tiny population density doesn't really require huge tracts of fertile land.
I'm talking out my ass here though, I don't know anything about Australia.
>>677687
>the worst of the worst british convicts
Not really. Australia was more an experiment in rehabilitation for people who committed the heinous crime of stealing a piece of cloth, or reading a book that was banned, shit like that
>>677696
>i want to know but i'm not open to the only explanation that fits the data
>>677687
Australia isn't a waste land you daft cunt.
There is a fucking reason it was originally called New South Wales. Because the part they landed on and settled looked like Wales.
Fucking strewth
>>678892
Truly covered with lush wildlife. A paradise on earth
It actually has a lot of resources and agricultural land
>>677696
The importation of crops and domesticated animals allowed much greater food production than is possible with native species, this allows a much larger population and more specialised society.
>>677687
mineral deposits
>>678901
The fact that most of it is desert doesn't invalidate the fact that massive swaths of it is arable land, you daft cunt.
>>678962
No need to be so rude ;)
>>677687
Some parts of Austrlia are rich, others are poor as fuck and in Aboriginal communities, the conditions are like in the third world.
That said, the primary reason is because of The abundance of Minerals. 40% of Australian economy depends on exporting raw materials. Once those run dry, Australia has a competent service sector, but nothing cutting edge.
The main reason Australia does so well is because Australia had extreamly generous land grants that gave everyone as much land as they needed. That has allowed them to prosper in the past and get them to where they are today.
>>677696
>i want to know what actually happened for australia to become what it is today.
Britain bought a huge amount of wool.
China buys a huge amount of iron ore and coal.
>>677790
You're pretty close actually, just with sheep instead of cattle. Aus used to basically run the wool export business and even now I think we've got a pretty big chunk of it.
>>677696
The bantz based economy.
>>679035
I don't know who edited the original or why but in the original he says ''No soap'' instead of just ''no''
>>677687
Underpopulation means more minerals and raw material per person.
The first convict colonists were probably as poor as indian peasants as they tried to eek out a living, later immigrants were Europeans who brought their own capital to ensure standards of living competitive with Europe.
I don't think there is a full explanation, but these are probably major factors.
>>679055
>poor as indian peasants
Not really, they were still convicts which meant they got provided rations and other stuff. The problem was that the colonies in general didn't have shit except agricultural supplies, many of which weren't appropriate for the Australian climate.
>later immigrants were Europeans who brought their own capital to ensure standards of living competitive with Europe.
That's not entirely true. The first major wave of immigration into Australia after the first fleet was made up of primarily poor British citizens who came because of the promise of land. Then the gold rush happened bringing more immigrants from all over the place. Properly skilled immigrants didn't really move to Australia until the latter half of the 19th century and even after that there's been plenty of poor immigrants, particularly after the world wars.
What do Australians think of this man?
>>680804
Based!
>>680804
Redmond Barry was more of a hero desu
>>680827
>When he sentenced Kelly to death by hanging, Barry uttered the customary words "May God have mercy on your soul". According to the transcripts, Kelly replied "I will go a little further than that, and say I will see you there when I go".
>>680844
Kelly had good bantz but he didn't really create anything of lasting value. He's only valued for the edgy epic criminal factor.
>>680850
>edgy epic criminal factor.
Isn't that applicable to a much wider demographic though?
>>680859
What?
If you mean mediocrity and criminal worship is very commonplace, sure.
>>680868
Of course it is, who are celebrities these days.
>>677687
There's a lot of minerals and shit there for sale. One could argue that it was "proper" colonization since they didn't squeeze out every dime possible from the native population. Compare them to a place like Greenland with, well, just snow and fish afaik.
>>678965
>2016
>Not understanding the word 'cunt' as a formal Australian expression of endearment
Ameriblubber please show more appreciation for exotic foreign cultures, it's the 21st Century.
>>680850
>didn't really create anything of lasting value
he's inspired more books and works of art than any other Australian. his own story is his lasting legacy
Just because Australia has a fuckton of desert doesnt mean it doesnt have a fuckton of arable land.
Australia is fucking huge.
Australia has a fuckton of arable land
Australia has a fuckton of natural resources.
Australia gives no fucks.
there has never been a war on Australian soil.(some bombs dropped on Darwin by the nips in WW2 but who cares)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_population_density_based_on_food_growing_capacity
(hint switch the list upside down to find out the most arable land per capita)
S T R A Y A
T Y
R A
A R
Y T
A Y A R T S
>>678901
just because the green is on the edge doesnt mean there isnt a fuckton of green you unlearned cretin
>>680804
Hardly anybody actually really cares about the true story behind him honestly - most people just get a kick out of the popular romanticist legend of him being an Australian Robin Hood. Some people react very badly to legendary status being given to a highway bandit who killed quite a few people and cops and tried to kill a whole trainload of cops, and go the complete opposite direction saying he was basically scum of the earth. I don't really know of anybody actually taking the real history behind him that seriously though.
>>677687
Bear in mind that on a non-distorted map, Australia is almost the same size as the continental US. So while 80% of Australia might be desert, that other 20% is the size of half of Europe, and that land is pretty fertile with tons of minerals. Furthermore the prisoner population is a meme. While the initial settlers were indeed convicts that did stuff like steal a loaf of bread, 95% of the population is descended of European settlers who immigrated there later.
>>680896
>just because the green is on the edge doesn't mean there isn't a fuckton of green
This.
>>680897
Victorians are well versed in the story, and a surprising number of foreigners become obsessed with it. I know a Kiwi born and bred with a tattoo of Ned
>>677687
>what explains the fact that today australia is a rich, wealthy, militarily strong first world country, despite the fact that it is esentially a giant wasteland island in the middle of the ocean inhabited by the worst of the worst british convicts?
Labour resistance.
Noel Butlin
Brian Fitzpatrick
Connel & Irving
>>680896
What about the great Emu war?
>>680913
You faggot are lucky, no emu, no drop bear.
>>680913
there was nothing "great" about the emu war
;_;
Anyone know much about the wreck of the Batavia?
>>680897
I rank him somewhere between Chopper Read and Josef Fritzl.
>>679010
>Australia has a competent service sector, but nothing cutting edge.
Except for 8 unis in the top 100.
>>680961
Melbourne uni is cutting edge, state of the art for white guilt and cultural Marxism.
>>677687
British superiority
>>680896
>there has never been a war on Australian soil.
Uhh, the Abbos fought back until the 1930s mate.
>>677696
>because i don't want "muh white supremacy" as an explanation.
But that's literally the answer.
Every single white settler colony is a success. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, USA of course.
But since you refuse to see the facts, here's something more compatible with your marxist ideology : "the patriarchy"
>>680989
hahahahah
that wasn't a war.
That was settler conflict with stone-age tribesman.
it didnt make land unusable, destroy towns/cities, kill the intelligentsia.
It had almost no affect on the outcome of Australias success.
>>680850
Isn't edgy criminality the Australian vesion of the protestant work ethic or the stiff upper lip?
>>681021
For tattooed welfare recipients.
>>681005
>it didnt make land unusable, destroy towns/cities
Time you read more about early Sydney.
>kill the intelligentsia
Please weasel out of this one by playing NTS
>>681021
Look, the best thing he did was to murder a cop.
>>680934
There is an Australian history podcast called 'Last Stop To Nowhere' that does an episode on it. Pretty good.
>>678806
Lol, my ancestor got sent here for stealing a handkerchief. It wasn't purely innocent, people kept money in handkerchiefs back then.
>>680964
>ignore everything about the actual education because it doesn't conform to your political ideology
Gee I wonder why smart people tend to dislike far right wing politics
>the worst of British convicts
I hate this fucking meme.
No. The worst we're not sent to Australia, they were hanged in Britain. Convicts who came to Austrlia were transported because they were thieves, frauds or forgers and couldn't be stored in prisons anymore.
>>680897
Dude, he's a gunslinger in full armor. That's sick as shit.
>>683621
I expect that 19th century British thieves would be pretty fucking hardcore.
>>683634
If you're basing your perceptions off Hollywood, sure.
>>683643
Well yeah it's not like I lived in the Victorian era.
How about showing me why I'm wrong? As far as I'm aware even livestock theft was a capital offence just roughly a century ago. Harsher penalties make for harsher crims.
>>680983
Anon I started the circulation of you edit a few weeks ago when I posted it with an oc image I made for /his/ and your picture has been reposted 100 times and mine hasn't ever been. Yeah I'm mad.
>>679194
The typical gold rush immigrant was a rough and ready worldly young male who had a line of credit to fund their prospecting. A good wholesome firm buttox'd chap raring to build an economy. The kind of man that would make Ayn Rand gush.
>>678806
my ancestor was a highwayman. so, not exactly.
>>677687
Food Bowl, tiny population, retarded levels of mineral wealth, Government structure based on the best of Westminster and Washington, incredibly risk adverse population and Government.
The final one is also a massive double edge sword, Australia is a nanny-state beyond belief and is culturally and economically stagnant as fuck with a huge "tall poppy" syndrome against intellectuals and innovators.
>Shipping off convicts to colonies
Why isn't this still a thing
>>685709
I'll still take a risk-averse central bank over banks that follow retarded, doomed to fail fads
>>685749
You do know that the four pillars are synchronised to Government & RBA strategy?
>>685709
I honestly don't believe tall poppy syndrome is real. We love our local athletes, scientists and celebrities. The only person I can think of who gets universal scorn is the hamplanet Gina Rinehart.
I agree our government is a nanny state, and I don't think this is popular with the masses. While it may certainly be more petty than the American government, it's much less brutal. Especially the cops and prison system.
>>678892
>Because the part they landed on and settled looked like Wales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df-uemc-e3w
>>677687
Wealthy British empire?
that probably helped speed things up
>>685970
Intellectuals are heavily shit on in Australia.
This is why the CSIRO has for all intents and purposed been eliminated, thousands of scientists are out of a job and nobody gives a shit, Australia has the highest rate of climate change denial in the world at over half the population, Australians didn't blink when Abbott chased hundreds of billions of dollars of R&D out of the country, Nobody gives a shit the NBN has been destroyed and scientists and the Greens were shit on when they linked the more frequent catastrophic bush fires to climate change.
Australia sadly has a heavy dose of anti-intellectualism and anti-innovation. Australians are quite conservative and don't like change.
This is why you see entrepreneurs and scientists fleeing the country in a huge brain drain, while we celebrate landed wealth like Palmer and Packer.
>>685970
I don't think it's possible to be more petty than the american government
>>686013
shit but true
>>686013
To be fair the Greens can go and fuck themselves. I believe in climate change and all that but their policies are downright atrocious and only a retard could take them seriously.
>>686047
But who else is there, liberals are rich fucks who only care about the dollaridoos, labour are just incapiable and the greens are a bit too hippy
>>686057
Well I ment their current situations, though there are exteptions within each party
>>686013
I feel like the problems you mentioned are more a result of alot of the current generation of Australians being very politically apathetic, and is that really very surprising when, as these >>686047 >>686057 posters put it, the only real choice is between greedy rich fucks, greedy and stupid rich fucks, and the only party that wants to enact sensible policies to progress society, also inextricably embody the absolute worst and most obnoxious of the liberal left/social justice movement.
>>677687
Exports.
Built our wealth first off the back of a sheep, then off minerals during the iron ore boom.
>>686013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Innovation_Index
We're pretty average for advanced economies, at least we're not
>Shitaly
>>686013
>Australia has the highest rate of climate change denial in the world
Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_opinion_by_country
>>686116
>the only party that wants to enact sensible policies to progress society
I had a look at their site to check out their policies so that I could ridicule you for saying this but most of it is wishy washy bullshit and very few definitive positions are stated. It's all muh refugees, muh abos and muh nuclear power. Their defense policies are some of the few that are clarified and they are beyond retarded.
Another four years of either the Liberals or Labor keeping us on a course of mediocrity are infinitely more desirable than the Greens destroying this nation.
>>686116
Past generations weren't much more politically invested, labor were returned less than half the time despite a far more vital union movement.
>inextricably embody
Don't try pulling this shit when you hand in essays to me.
>>680964
Melbourne Uni still has buildings named after the most preeminent Aussie eugenicists of their day, who was professors there
nigger
>>678947
This.
Up until the 1950s, more than half the economy was wool. "our prosperity rides on the sheep's back".
And now, irrespective of the policies of any government of the last 30 years, MINING BOOM baby
>be aussie
>get khan'd
>>686013
>Intellectuals are heavily shit on by Coalition supporters
Fixed that for you.
Maybe you need to stop living in Queensland.
>>686047
Their stance against nuclear energy and GMOs is fucking stupid. Economic policy is basically illiterate but that's par for the course with most parties except for Labor - all liberals do is whine about interest rates (which are set by banks anyway) and the surplus (despite our deficit being very small and good for economic growth). I actually like their social policy although the LDP and sex party are better, but I'm sure saying that will trigger the megalomaniac finger-twiddling religious rightfags here.
>>686343
Queenslander here - I don't think intellectuals suffer here more than in any other state. Just look at anyone trying to argue against NSWs lockout laws.
I'm not familiar with Greens policies much beyond their defence policy - which I did once peruse. They wanted to end exercise Talisman Sabre because it rifled China's feathers, and since it simulates amphibious landings (which are inherently aggressive) it is provocative. Really whacky stuff.
>>686564
Ruffled*, although it's a pretty good typo to have in that context.
>>686564
The Greens have State based policies that are synchronised nationally. Most policy has been gutted by a process of "blue green algae" eating away at any presence of the left in the party, trying to turn it into the democrats lite.
In the early 2000s, for example, the NSW greens had a policy of long term total transformation of the social relations of people away from monetary relations. Such gestural objectives are gone.
>>686578
Is that process the reason why the Greens have seen some increased support, or a consequence of it? Have they just become more politically pragmatic when they gained power in order to hold on to it?
>>679055
>underpopulation
FUCK OFF
WE
ARE
FULL
>>686587
The same rich fucks who created the democrats have found a home in the Greens in every state but WA and NSW.
In WA and NSW, to be honest, an honest agreement amongst ex-Tankies, ex-Trots, anarchists, socialist ex-Laborites and the kind have kept some semblance of Tony Harris' vibe going. (See Harris' article in Labour History).
As you'd know, for the watermelon Greens the object is the end of the US alliance as part of the end of imperialism.
>>686587
Oh, and as far as their electoral success? Nurses, Doctors, Social Workers, Aged Carers, Child Care Workers, TAFE & School Teachers, Academics, students training to be the same etc. vote for them much more often than other workers. State dependent social "caring" profession white and pink collars who need a university degree and are vital to the reproduction of capital through the reproduction of high quality general labour power. This analysis was conducted by Bob Gould on a booth basis against census data for the last election he was alive for. I see no reason to believe otherwise.
>>679035
Thanks for using my OC :^)
I am glad to see someone enjoying it
