Is there some truth to this statement? Both are rootless, cosmopolitan philosophies, both promise a future utopia free of pain and oppression in exchange for devotion to the cause, both preach loyalty to other believers/adherents over loyalty to family, culture, and nation, both preach a radical egalitarianism, both promise the overthrow and punishment of the current 'elites', and of course, both are Jewish in origin.
I don't think they were radicals like Bolsheviks, they were more like mainstream progressives, enacting a "long march through the institutions" and changing everything from inside, instead of just burning everything up. The Bolsheviks of the ancient world would be the radical sects of Christianity that were considered heretical, like the Paulicinians and the Bogomils.
Of course, on the other side, that means that the pagans the left loves so much were the "conservatives" and "reactionaries" of the ancient world. I even see something of robber barons and entrepeneurs in the rampages of the vikings.
>>897338
Marxism is materialistic, Christianity is not. Christianity doesn't advocate for revolution since Christians are to obey lawful authority. Christians are to honour their mother and father and Christianity has no problem with inheritance.
>>897350
>Of course, on the other side, that means that the pagans the left loves so much were the "conservatives" and "reactionaries" of the ancient world.
Hell, this isn't even a question, they absolutely were. Romans were fiercely protective of tradition and Roman values, and that was a very large part of the reason they were so suspicious and fearful of Christianity.
>>897357
Exactly.
Only ignorant people who only know both superficially (such as journalists) say they are similar.
>>897357
>Marxism is materialistic, Christianity is not.
Historical materialism seems to suggest absolute laws that govern society and history, pulling humanity inexorably towards a preordained outcome. Sounds familiar, no?
>Christianity doesn't advocate for revolution since Christians are to obey lawful authority.
Christianity does not advocate violent action because, as the Bible says, it is God who is expected to overthrow the current order and 'spill the blood', so to speak. Christians are simply to wait for this. Similarly, Marxism didn't really advocate individual action. Eventually, and inevitably, the material conditions will be such that the Proletariat will have no choice but to rise up, overthrow the Bourgeoisie, and seize the world for themselves. No need to 'hasten the judgment day', just wait, all in due time.
>Christianity has no problem with inheritance.
No, but it certainly (or at least originally, before the elites of Europe twisted and reinterpreted the faith for their own purposes) has an issue with obscene wealth and extreme social inequality.
"We have no photographs before the 19th century. The only pen-portrait of Jesus is the Letter of Lentulus, which is a medieval forgery [see Charlesworth, Authentic Apocrypha]. If Jesus were a 21st-century gentile of the Western world, then he might look like you or me; but he was a first-century Palestinian Jew. We should not remove his Semitic features. Perhaps with the Discovery Channel and BBC research we learn more about what he did not look like than what he really may have looked like. Jesus certainly did not look like the pictures supplied by Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Salman — many of which hang proudly on the walls of churches and Sunday-school classrooms."
>>897338
He was an anarchist
>>897338
>Christianity says that voluntary charity is a virtue, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and obey lawful authority
>this is the same as calling for violent revolution and forcible redistribution of wealth
>>897428
Christianity was pretty fucking revolutionary. The book of Revalutations basically sets up Rome as being a figure of demonic ancestry. There is good reason to believe the 666 refers to Nero.
You can also find extreme ressentment towards authority in some of Paul's letters were he basically says that God's law is above Roman law so Christians are above the law.
There is also the apocalyptic strand, early Christians beleived Jesus would return in their life time and they needed to start the revolution by putting everyone on the holy path.
The communist paradise is basically heaven on earth. The evil Roman elite are the proletariat.
And you know what the biggest fucking clue is. Marx himself called Christianity the seeds of Communism. He married a Lutherian women exactly for this reason.
>>897452
This is a really reductionist reading.
Also he married a Lutheran woman because he was fucking Lutheran moron.
>>897338
>Christianity is the Bolshevism of the ancient world
It is known.
Read Bolshevism From Moses to Lenin by Dietrich Eckart to know more.
https://archive.org/details/BolshevismFromMosesToLenin_95
Remember, Dietrich Eckart is the man to whom Hitler dedicated Mein Kampf, so he knows his shit.
>>897452
>The evil Roman elite are the proletariat.
Do you mean the bourgeoisie?
Yes, Marxism and Liberalism are pretty much secularized versions of Christianity. Never before had the human race thought that history had a goal. Since God's kingdom never came, man set about trying to create heaven on earth by forcefully attempting to change human nature and impose their ideologies on society, purging the more recalcitrant "unredeemed" individuals. This is leftism in a nutshell.
>>897338
>both are philosophies that respect the poor and speak ill of the rich and powerful
Holy shit, OP. You let out the single most important part of the similarities.
>>897338
no, not at all.
Stoicism was the materialism/bolshevism/atheist streak of the ancient world
>>897574
>Never before had the human race thought that history had a goal
thats very arguable
>>897690
But Stoicism encouraged the maintenance of existing social order.
>>897690
Nah, that would be atomism.
Stoicism was the mindfulness of its day, a sort of heavily commercialized pop pseudo-philosophy whose nutshell goal was making people feel content about their shitty existence in the world.
Christianity had the revolutionary streak that made it actively hostile to the Roman religious status quo, which is why Roman pagans were so threatened by the Christian religion over every other religious tradition which had syncreted into the Roman state tradition.
>>897338
Oh hey there.
nope, that would be Mazdakism.
(quoting Wiki but whatever)
"According to Mazdak, God had originally placed the means of subsistence on earth so that people should divide them among themselves equally, but the strong had coerced the weak, seeking domination and causing the contemporary inequality. This in turn empowered the "Five Demons" that turned men from Righteousness – these were Envy, Wrath, Vengeance, Need and Greed. To prevail over these evils, justice had to be restored and everybody should share excess possessions with his fellow men. Mazdak allegedly planned to achieve this by making all wealth common or by re-distributing the excess, although it is unclear how he intended to organize that in terms of regulations and to what extent his position has been caricatured by hostile sources."
>>897338
The 'american dream' is now a Jewish nightmare.
Read Nature's Eternal Religion by Ben Klassen, PME
>>897338
Here's the main difference:
The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this World.
>>897350
cvck
>>897416
He was a Monarchist.
>>897338
Marxism is certainly an atheistic development on the secular, humanistic lessons of the secular Jesus. It's absolutely no coincidence that Marx was raised Christian.
christian theology is the grandmother of bolshevism
>>897350
The majority of people who "love pagans" are far-right radicals who yearn for a religious conviction but think Christianity is too Jewish
>>897948
You saved the thread.
>>898215
It is the Lord's doing.
When I was a kid my grandpa told me Jesus was the first communist to exist
Of course I didn't get what the fuck he was talking about, but it became so clear some years later
>>897938
You assume any of the people referenced in that picture did anything wrong.
>>898257
Then why doesn't the Soviet Union exist?
>>898257
Lenin did everything wrong. Stalin did everything right.
>>898274
Vice versa.
>>898278
Whatever you say Orwell
>>897338
"Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same."
Jesus was indeed a Socialist.
>>897338
>4 threads about Christianity on the first page
FUCKING SHUT THIS DOWN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>897350
>I don't think they were radicals like Bolsheviks, they were more like mainstream progressives
Why do you think Roman empire accepted Jews but persecuted Christians? They were crazy cult, the "muh there is no god before me made emperors buttmad" applies to Jews as well and as you can see it didn't mean nothing.
>>899026
>"muh there is no god before me made emperors buttmad"
Incorrect. Hellenistic philosophy allowed Romans to interprete any other religion's God as just being a different manifestation of one of their Gods. For instance they saw Yawheh as being the Jew version of Zeus and Yawheh's angels as being the lesser Gods that Zeus commands.
There were some Hellenized Jews that could go with the flow and let the Romans have their Zeus, some of them even took it to extreme amounts and said it was ok for Jews to venerate (but not worship) the Greek "angels".
Christianity emerged from butt-hurt Jews that would have zero tolerance for any religion that was not their own and hated the idea of any sort of authority other than Jeebus.
>>899026
>accepted Jews
If by "accepted" you mean "invade their revolting territory with a big ass army, slaughter hundreds of thousands, loot, rape, pillage, and burn their entire culture to the ground, then scatter the survivors to the far corner of the empire while restocking their ancestral homeland with new settlers and renaming it so that it possesses a completely different identity while making it state law that Jews are never allowed to return."
It was called it diaspora, and it was a very effective means of driving cultures into extinction. If that's your idea of acceptance then man, am I glad you're not in charge!
And Jewish culture went through two of them in antiquity, first by the Babylonians and then again by the Romans. Their culture has proven incredibly resilient but it is by being insular, as not many gentiles were too keen on the idea of having their fore-skin sliced off. Christianity however, is evangelical and didn't make people do that, so it was more attractive to lay Romans of any ethnicity. But it was Christianity's central emphasis on love and charity that was completely antithetical to the Roman way of thinking and so dangerous to the Roman status quo that they would have seen it as soft and womanly at best and dangerously subversive at worst.
But making them suffer publicly had the exact opposite effect: it was exposing huge numbers of people to Christian identity and showing them the strength of individual Christian conviction, and even jaded, apathetic pagans were appalled by the sight of innocent women and children being made to die gruesome deaths. Roman pagans put up the hardest fight but once Christianity started taking off there was no stopping it. By the time Christianity spread to the last pagan pocket of Europe (Scandinavia many centuries later), it would often take as little as a single generation for a town to go from majority pagan to majority Christian.
>>897574
>Yes, Marxism and Liberalism are pretty much secularized versions of Christianity... by forcefully attempting to change human nature and impose their ideologies on society, purging the more recalcitrant "unredeemed" individuals. This is leftism in a nutshell.
And yet when you actually sit down and read what pagan Romans wrote, it was clear that THEY were the ones pushing ideology and "moral virtue", mostly as a way of justifying their status quo as being the best of all possible arrangements for human society, as proven by the success of the Roman model, and any attempt to change that way of thinking was tantamount to heresy. The Gracchi brothers were beaten to death on the senate floor for daring to suggest that slavery was having a negative impact on the Roman economy and that legislation should be made to mitigate the effects. Of course nothing changed and a generation later you have huge throngs of urban poor joining the service and being more loyal to their generals than to the state which never even pretended to care about them.
And a generation after all the Roman progressives were butchered in a political bloodbath by zealous Roman conservatives, the Christian message of charity and fraternity between all men was planted in western society, and would begin spreading like wildfire. Though pagans were able to frequently delay the inevitable (mostly by rounding up and slaughtering all the Christians), in the end their status quo and way of thinking went extinct.
And people didn't stop pushing ideology on each other until liberals in the 20th century realized that the mutable nature of language makes all ideology equally arbitrary, that moral decay models are bullshit memes formulated by personal anecdote with no basis in factual history, and that negative reinforcement (punishing bad behavior, as opposed to positive reinforcement, which is rewarding good behavior) causes severe mental problems in any animal subjected to it on a regular basis.
>>897948
He isn't a monarchist, he's a monarch.
>>902434
What is the difference?
>>899147
Christianity emerged from butt-hurt Jews that would have zero tolerance for any religion that was not their own and hated the idea of any sort of authority other than Jeebus.
No, it came from non-jews converted to the christian sect of judaism, but without actually having been a part of the culture and thus fucking it up.
https://youtu.be/suBqqpez_-I
>>900015
>If by "accepted" you mean "invade their revolting territory with a big ass army, slaughter hundreds of thousands, loot, rape, pillage, and burn their entire culture to the ground, then scatter the survivors to the far corner of the empire while restocking their ancestral homeland with new settlers and renaming it so that it possesses a completely different identity while making it state law that Jews are never allowed to return."
Gauls got basically the same treatment, and the persecution of christians started before the diaspora. For the reason stated below.
>>899147
>Christianity emerged from butt-hurt Jews that would have zero tolerance for any religion that was not their own and hated the idea of any sort of authority other than Jeebus.
My exact point.
IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ FEUERBACH
>>897338
I'm not a christian but I really do think Jesus is a very inspirational figure and should be to any communist or anarchist.
It irritates me to no end that Red scum have attempted to claim charity, sharing and being nice to people as virtues exclusive to their ideology.
>LIKE OMG EVERYTHING GOOD THAT PEOPLE DO IS TOTALLY BECAUSE OF COMMUNISM AND EVERYTHING BAD THAT PEOPLE DO IS BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM SO YOU SHOULD TOTALLY BE COMMUNIST SO YOU CAN BE NICE TO PEOPLE BECAUSE MEAN PEOPLE SUCK XD
fucking die already you Red pieces of shit
>>904266
?
no one claims that.
communism is about sharing and caring with/for other members of the commune indiscriminately.
the bit about non-discrimination is the crux.
>>904286
Communism is about murdering the bourgeois and stealing their stuff so it can be redistributed among the slackers of society.
It has nothing to do with "sharing and caring".
>>904294
If you don't want to share your stuff, others will share it for you. I don't see a problem.
>>904303
Of course you don't Red.
>>901480
Negative reinforcement isn't punishing bad behavior, it's the removal of a negative condition to strengthen a behavior, not the punishment of bad behavior.
Punishing bad behavior is positive punishment, and the removal of a desirable condition is negative punishment.
Stuart Lee has a routine about this http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hxdl2
"The idea that all humans are equal is a revamped version of the monotheist conviction that all souls are equal before God."
Yuval Harari
Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
Harper (2015)
"In Western societies, the Judeo-Christian image of humankind—whether you are a believer or not—has secured a minimal moral consensus in everyday life. It has been a major factor in social cohesion. Now that the neurosciences have irrevocably dissolved the Judeo-Christian image of a human being as containing an immortal spark of the divine, we are beginning to realize that they have not substituted anything that could hold society together and provide a common ground for shared moral intuitions and values.
Thomas Metzinger
The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self.
Basic Books. (2009)
"Christianity, sprung from Jewish roots and comprehensible only as a growth on this soil, represents the counter-movement to any morality of breeding, of race, privilege: it is the anti-Aryan religion par excellence. Christianity—the revaluation of all Aryan values, the victory of chandala values, the gospel preached to the poor and base, the general revolt of all the downtrodden, the wretched, the failures, the less favored, against 'race:' the undying chandala hatred is disguised as a religion of love."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Twilight of the Idols
Mises noted as much, perhaps after reading Nietzsche.
"The religion which called itself the religion of love became a religion of hatred in a world that seemed ripe for happiness. Any would-be destroyers of the modern social order could count on finding a champion in Christianity.”
Ludwig von Mises
Socialism
