Can somebody explain this guy to me?
Why is he a meme on here?
Why was he such a failure?
Why is he included in the list of top ten saddest anime deaths?
>>662004
>Why is he a meme on here?
One person routinely spams this board with posts about him, then posts replies to his own posts to make it seem like Mosley is some sort of hot topic. In addition, this spammer creates numerous pictures of Mosley in an attempt to reinforce the already forced meme.
It's a shame that /pol/-tier memes are being forced on every board.
>>662004
>Can somebody explain this guy to me?
He bought his way into parliament and was unable to handle his own mediocrity.
>Why is he a meme on here?
He's a british fascist.
>Why was he such a failure?
Because the white armies organised to defeat the general strike represented the real spirit of British fascism.
>Why is he included in the list of top ten saddest anime deaths?
Because a hundred thousand londoners turned out to beat him to death.
>>662004
>Can somebody explain this guy to me?
A member of British parliament who never quite could fit in, yet still had the respect of his peers. During his career he originally was elected as a Conservative, before a brief flirtation with Liberalism, eventually sitting with the Labour party becoming an early advocate of Keynesian economics. When his party was elected to government in 1929 he was given a titular ministerial position, but with responsibility for unemployment. He eventually fell into conflict with his seniors in the cabinet who rejected his policies of mass public works to decrease unemployment and bring profit over time repeatedly, resigning his position in 1930. He finally left the party on 1931 when his policies were rejected narrowly by the national party convention, taking 6 other members of parliament with him to a form a new party, the 'New Party'. After an opportunity to visit Mussolini in 1931 he believed that the only future was fascism, and set about creating his own model of British fscism, renaming his movement the British Union of Fascists, the moment his career died. Mosley's own policies slowly became neglected in his own movement, with members of the old British fascistii becoming the dominant force by 1934 along with future splitters, and the party which had slowly began to grow and had some press support, lost all credibility with the increasing opposition to fascism abrosd, and antisemitism being brought to the table, but he never left and remained as leader until the end when he was imprisoned in 1940. By the end of WWII he was nothing more than an old establishment voice that the new far right used to announce their policies, after two failed attempts to run for parliament again in the 1960s he left Britain for the final time to live out his years suffering from Parksinsons, dying aged 84 in 1980.
A man who wanted what he saw as the best for his country, who destroyed his career and reputation in the process.
>>662138
>Why is he a meme on here?
His face is part of the /pol/ eternal Anglo meme, and /gsg/ seemed to have a thing for a portrayal of him, now some people seem to just be going over the guy here
>Why was he such a failure?
He was a confused man who never knew where he stood, and refused to compromise on his ideals, leading to his downfall
>Why is he included in the list of top ten saddest anime deaths?
Because he died only remembered as a traitor to his country, despite wanting to fight for it till the end
>>662149
>Because he died only remembered as a traitor to his country, despite wanting to fight for it till the end
So he was the Boss from MGS3
>>662169
What?
>>662042
Your post is actually completly false.
There are four Mosley posters, and three Texas posters.
I am one of each.
>>662149
Eternal anglo meme started on /int/
Go away with your boogymanning /lit/ fag.
>>662169
You fucking faggots need to stop talking about Metal Gear
>>662598
/tv/, /v/, /b/, /lgbt/, /r9k/ and /s4s/ shitpost the most on all boards of 4chan.
>>662610
You forget /int/, one of the more significant carcinogens for this board.
>>662626
Hang on, /b/ hasn't been a force for years. And /lgbt/, you serious?
>>662598
I will never stop talking about Metal Gear. But Mosley is British and a Fascist so he's really more of Zero than The Boss.
>>662633
/lgbt/ is one of the biggest rabble rousers on this site.
One thread creates the biggest shitfest.
/g/ is their biggest target.
I legit almost started to cry when he did.
Mosley is /gsg/ meme. Much like Willy.
>>662742
waggle
>>662042
>One person routinely spams this board with posts about him, then posts replies to his own posts to make it seem like Mosley is some sort of hot topic.
holy shit you can't be this delusional. Fuck off back to redit, you aren't welcome here
>>662665
It was kinda sad
>>662042
This. Same reason why Rhodesia threads suddenly stopped.
Only read his The Greater Britain and I really enjoyed it, it seemed like he was ahead of his time on a lot of areas. He wrote it in what, the 60s? He is spot on about how the west is now exploiting poor countries for cheap labour etc. and how the only ones benefitting from it are the capitalist elite at the top.
>>663619
>Only read his The Greater Britain and I really enjoyed it, it seemed like he was ahead of his time on a lot of areas. He wrote it in what, the 60s?
Prepare to be amazed; the Greater Britain was first published in 1932, the last publication of the New Party and the first of the British Union of Fascists
Mosley is a genuinely interesting character who is being memed out by somebody.
A fantastic orator in British politics who was in both the Tories and Labour. It is thought that after he left Labour following disagreements on Unemployment policy (left Conservatives over Black and Tans issue) that the Conservatives would've even taken him back.
He could've been Prime Minister one day had he stuck with one of the conventional parties due to his skill as an orator and his popularity.
However he decided to form the New Party, which eventually became the British Union of Fascists.
>>663754
I sometimes wonder, if WW2 never broke out then there would be no justifiable reason to ban the party, with that in mind, would the BUF ever have become a viable political force with the possibility of making Mosley PM?
>>662042
>/pol/-tier
Didn't it start in /gsg/?
>>662004
he was a british fascist
he is a meme becauze /his is full of poltards
he was a failure because he was a fascist
>>663817
I don't think so, the foundation of the British Union of Fascists was the beginning of the end for Mosley. Within a year of their foundation Hitler had established his rule in Germany under a rule the public perceived as the definition of a 'Fascist' rule, significantly hurting Mosley and his new party. By 1934 when the party began to attract more and more fifth columnists and National Socialists, who went on to dominate the party. While at the same time the party lost the backing of the Daily Mail due to Mosley remaining almost too moderate a leader for Lord Rothemere's tastes (a personal friend of Hitler). When the party began to publicly clash with Jews and Communists in London too, the party was doomed to failure and was to never recover, with all its influential backers abandoning it as the years went by.
Mosley's only real shot at Prime Minister was to remain with the Labour party, the establishment party that he most aligned with, the Conservative Parliamentary party would never take him back, and the Liberals were in no position to win elections.
>>663833
It did. Mosley is barely ever even mentioned in /pol/ despite their love of fascists. Then again /pol/ only apparently loves Hitler and not Mussolini or Franco.
Does Oswald say anything important ideologically in his books, or are they about his life and actual events only?
>>664557
Fascism: 100 Questions asked and answered (1936), The Greater Britain (1932), and Tomorrow We Live (1938) both delve into ideology in some respects, discussing policies and ideas which inevitably leads to ideology, 100 Questions is the one in which Mosley's definition for fascism is usually taken from:
"Fascism is the name by which the modern Movement has come to be known in the world. It would have been possible to avoid misrepresentation by calling our Movement by another name. But it was more honest to call it Fascism and thus to let everyone know exactly where we stood. It is up to us to defeat misrepresentation by propaganda and explanation of the real policy and method of Fascism as it will operate in Britain. In the long run straightforward dealing is not only honest but also pays best. The alternative name for the modern Movement is the National Socialism used in Germany. But the German Movement also is known throughout the outside world as Fascist, which is the name commonly used to describe the phenomenon of the modern Movement whether in Britain, Germany or Italy. National Socialism and Fascism in my view are the same Movement, finding different expressions in different countries in accord with different national and racial characteristics. For seven years in the Labour Party before founding Fascism in Britain, I fought for a National Socialist Policy in contradistinction to the International Socialism of that Party."
Probably the best biography is Robert Skidelsky's 'Oswald Mosley' (1975) which delves into more than just a narrative history of the man, giving insight into his ideology and way of thought throughout his life, Mosley's own autobiography 'My life' (1968) is actually quite good too, though with a personal bias for obvious reasons, though there's some great quotes to take out that really define much of his character:
"A prophet or an achiever must never mind an occasional absurdity; it is an occupational risk."
he was a good friend
>>662004
>>663482
>implying it's not true
>implying it's not one turkroach who lives in Germany
>>665614
>>665661
>top 10 swordsmen in anime
>Mad Jack
kek'd
Mosley did nothing wrong desu
>>662149
>>662593
>eternal Anglo meme
Isn't that Ian Smith?
Anyway, reminder that Mosley's kid got silly rich off of running F1. But then his Dad's reputation ended up bringing him down (kinda)
>>664699
>A prophet or an achiever must never mind an occasional absurdity; it is an occupational risk
What's he mean by 'occasional absurdity', friend? That sounds like it could apply to anyone.
>>667680
Fun fact: He sued a German newspaper which reported on that. His lawyer claimed the reports were hurting his dignity. He won.
>>667707
But it still ultimately destroyed Maxy's career, didn't it?
>On several occasions, you [Nicholas Mosley] describe your father’s politics as “self-destructive” and you portray him as inhabited by a malevolent force bigger than himself.
>That’s exactly how I see it. Remember that after the war, he went back into politics. He went into Notting Hill to stir up feeling against the blacks. When he got up on top of a speaker van he was like someone possessed. He was in the grip of a kind of addiction and it didn’t do him any good. He really thought he was going to get elected as an independent, but when the vote came, he lost his deposit. I told him he was destroying himself. He said he’d never speak to me again. But at the end of his life I was one of the few people he wanted to talk to. I think he realised he was some sort of junkie, a rhetoric junkie. It wasn’t about power. If it had been power he was interested in, all he needed to do was stay in the Labour Party, tell a few lies and he’d have become leader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XmDYJBZZdc
>>667854
Shit, that's pretty brutal.
>>667854
>wasn’t about power. If it had been power he was interested in, all he needed to do was stay in the Labour Party, tell a few lies and he’d have become leader.
Goodnight sweet prince
>>662641
I don't understand what you mean and nonsense surely detracts from an accurate account of Mosley's life and accomplishments. I say again that you fucking faggots need to stop talking about Metal Gear.
>>667854
>I think he realised he was some sort of junkie, a rhetoric junkie. It wasn’t about power. If it had been power he was interested in, all he needed to do was stay in the Labour Party, tell a few lies and he’d have become leader.
Was he the British Socrates?
>>665661
can someone please id all the thumbnails ?
Preferably with context
>>668340
>Top 10 Anime Battles
Probably the Battle of Cable street between the British Union of Fascists and anti-fascist forces in 1934
>Top 10 Anime Characters That Should Have Been Couples
Winston Churchill (Conservative Prime Minister WWII), and Clement Attlee (Labour Deputy Prime Minister WWII, postwar Prime Minister), leaders of the two opposite British establishment psrties, served as heads of government together during the war
>Top 10 Video Games Where you Did at the End
William Joyce, left the British Union of Fascists in the mid 30s for being too moderate to form his own movements, defected to Germany when war broke out to make propaganda broadcasts known as 'Lord Hawhaw', arrested following the war, and last Briton to be executed for High Treason
>Too 10 Swordsmen in Anime
Mad Jack Churchill, allied soldier WWII, preferred to take a broadsword into battle than a gun
>Top 10 Characters We Want in Super Smash Bros
Belgian National Socialist party leader, when Belgium fell joined the SS and led their Wallonian division
>Top 10 Smartest Anime Heroes
Mussolini, converted Mosley to fascism originally
>Top 10 Smatest Anime Series Villains
Philip Snowden, government chancellor while Mosley was a cabinet minister, was the one who rejected Mosley's policies in the first place which led him to resign
>>668360
Thanks boss
>>664290
Makes sense since Franco wasn't a fascist.
>>662004
Do you think Oswald Mosely and Lawrence Dennis could have made each other less lonely in their later years?
They're actually really interesting comparisons: Critics of the Economic system, who won wide respect, but then threw it away by fixing their star to Fascism, and refusing to back away from their principles.
>>668600
An interesting trio would be Mosley, Dennis, and Long if he hadn't been assassinated or at least survived the attempt, the three men had a lot in common, Long's Share out wealth programme echoing much of what Mosley proposed in Britain.
I am genuinely surprised that there's no records of Mosley and Dennis having ever met, perhaps they did meet in their layer years privately in a lowkey fashion, the two at least had some knowledge of each other;
'Dennis, said Redfern, “knew and admired Oswald Mosley,” '
>>668622
Well Dennis's papers are kept at Stanford, if you want to go digging.
What's interesting to me is actually, not how similar their proposals are, but how different, which shows off the intellectual vitality of the moment.
Long, for example, followed a sort of Proto-Picketty approach: The problem is that wealth attracts wealth, and that will eventually pool together, and the solution therefor is to, well 'share the wealth.'
I don't know much about the specifics of Mosely's proposals other than his support for Keynesianism with it's familiar counter-cyclical approach.
Dennis, however, was probably the most radical and far reaching in his criticism. He basically took something like Lenin's theory of imperialism and grounded it in classical economics.
Contrary to Long's ideas, Dennis postulated that the problem with wealth is that it DOESN'T pool. It constant needs to move and expand or die.
BUT there's a limited number of sound investments to be made in the economy, at least ones that are accessible with human reason. And so wealth will search for another way out from under a millionaire's mattress, one way or another. And there's two ways it will always do this.
One, is the bubble. We've seen it in our own time with real estate markets. There wasn't enough sound real estate investments to go around for all the money, so the money had to be put into less sound decisions. These will always happen because capitalism is geared towards investment, rather then money staying in place, and there will always be information delays for investors. In Dennis's time he saw it in the foreign bonds market: Latin American and German bonds were affirmed both by government and by the free market as inviolable, and as good as printing more money.
>>668681
(cont.)
The other is Imperialism: If there's no place within the United States for American dollars to go, they'll go into foreign markets, under force of arms if necessary. Rather than resource extraction, he understood that colonial markets were what really drove imperialism. That's why relatively resource scarce India was the jewel of the British Empire, and why China was too important for any one power to have access to.
Thus, under Capitalism, we are doomed to a future of economic shocks, coupled with wars, interventions, police actions and CIA coups, which are really two sides of the same coin.
If you're familiar with William Appleman Williams (which you should be, if you hang out on /his/) this should sound really familiar. The Tragedy of American Diplomacy is essentially a chapter of The Coming American Fascism with many more examples and footnotes given, but sans policy suggestions.
I know William Appleman Williams was a subscriber to Dennis's newsletter, so someone should really write something firmly establishing and exploring that connection.
>>662004
eternal Anglo
hours of fun on /pol/
>>668622
Why is Huey Long always grouped together with fascists?
>>668746
No fucking clue.
Huey was a fucking moron in my opinion.
I have no idea why he is romanticized other than by socialists and commie fucks.
>>668759
>I have no idea why he is romanticized other than by socialists and commie fucks.
Seems quite obvious to me: he a plan to "make everything better" which was never put into practice to have its flaws revealed, and he was assassinated, making him a martyr to his cause.
>>668799
he was a showboating tard who almost caused a small civil war in his own state only to renounce his entire ideology when he realised he was losing
>>668809
Who?
Wallace?
I don't even know much about him other than the "raycis" shit.
>>668812
Yes he's famous for letting the police go ham on the civil rights movement, turning a blind eye to literal bombings that were happening as a result, and then changing his mind and becoming a major racial equality advocate
>>668821
Based as fuck.
>>668821
In his heyday though he was /pols/ wet dream, here he is personally standing in the doorway to the University of Alabama with his national guard to prevent two black students from registering there
No idea why Huey Long is quoted as being a potential fascist when we have this guy
>>668746
Fears of a 'demogaugic' style in the 1930s, plus actual flirtations back and forth. Apparently he actually did reach out to Dennis as a ghost writer.
>>668821
Huey Long caused a way cooler civil war then that.
His involved Central American mercenaries.
>>668877
>Situation where a government uses force to push racialist policies on a smaller polity against that polity's will
>The guy with the armed men ready to shoot him if he doesn't let someone into his place of employment is the fascist
You can just say 'racialist' if you want, it's more accurate
>>670373
Wait what?
