Knights were completly useless
>defeated by mongols
>crusades were failures
>poorly trained
name 5 noteworthy knights
exactly
there is a reason why when people talk about historical badasses they mention Spartans, Samurai, Vikings but never knights they were just embarassingly bad I'm surprised they were even a thing
Just rich English/French fops with too much money, pillaging their own countrymen for the "honor" of someone else's wife.
Fuck nobility.
Knights mostly were useful after routs, pursuing enemies that were trying to escape.
>>642250
>honor
Honour, thou knave
Richard the Lion-hearted
William Marshal
El Cid
John Hawkwood
Alexander Nevsky
Theirs your five people, homes
>>642257
meanwhile proper warriors like Samurai were useful at all stages
>>642290
>proper warriors
>Samurai
Oh boy...
>>642250
You know entire Europe had knights right?
>>642294
England had around 5000 knights.... lol.
>>642290
>Suicidal honorfags
>proper
>>642299
oh..that's about 4000 more than I expected
why so many?
>>642309
except samurai were actually good at fighting
>>642309
The first comment was better
The first crusade was the only one with a good cause
>>642317
so were knights
>>642229
>name 5 noteworthy knights
El Cid
Richard III
La Hire
Jackie Cha
Fuck you Op.
>Underage: the thread
>>642316
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?466996-Knights-in-Medieval-England
>>642276
>Alexander Nevsky
>Knight
No
>>642229
>Spartans, Samurai, Vikings
>historical badasses
lol
>>642229
>bait.jpg
>>642276
>A king, a sports star, a warlord, a mercenary, and another king
They're as noteworthy knights as Einstein was a noteworthy bureaucrat
>>642229
>name 5 noteworthy knights
What do you mean when you say noteworthy
Why don't you name 5 Spartans, Samurai, Vikings you consider noteworthy and a few reasons why
Magriço
Samurai are only well known because a bunch of butthurt samurai living after the actual fighting samurai glorified the hell out of the fighting samurai because the butthurt samurai would never get to actually fight anyone except for the occasional peasant beheading.
>>642229
ITT: People whose sole historic education is Monty Python
The crusades were a major succes
Knights nearly killed the mongol commander in Hungary
Bayard
William Marshall
boucicault
Du guesclin
Louis de Chalon-Châtel-Guyon
Georg von Ehingen
Percy
Chandos
y'all a bunch of coblers sons and twats to the highest degree,
>>642726
>tfw Percy and Boucicaut had pretty dismal military careers
They were good knights and seem like top lads
>>642229
>>defeated by mongols
>>642268
honor and honour were used interchangeably actually
>>642924
>only whites can be knights
Several Moors and Arabs in European history and fiction were considered knights, even if they weren't Christian.
>>642229
>name 5 noteworthy knights
Roland, Lancelot, Saber, Gawain, Steiner.
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>>642955
Poles are subhumnan their victories don't count
>>642924
the western slavs are white, others are mixed
Knights are still Alive and Fighting Today so how can they be useless you MUG!
>>642229
Richard the Lionheart, Ivanhoe, Parzival, Lancelot, Agathaaaaaaaa
The first crusade should serve as an example what happens when rabble tries to fight and when knights and soldiers lead by nobles try to fight.
>1st contingent of crusaders (Set out first, mostly peasant piligrims)
>Get across bosphorus
>Get wrecked
>2nd contingent of crusaders (Lead by feudal lords and knights)
>Sieges Nicae
>Defeats the turks in open battle and make them rout so bad they never come back
>Defeat army of 20,000 from Aleppo with 700 knights
>Siege Antioch
>Defeat counter-siege army of 30,000 with 15,000 starved and tattered soldier
>Go onwards to Jerusalem
>Its sieged
>March to acre and slaughter reinforcements from Egypt
>Literally finish crusade subjugating everything in their way and defeating any army in their path
Yeah fuck knights amirite
>>642229
Richard Coeur de Lion
El Cid
Godfrey of Bouillon
Guy of Lusignan
Don Quixote
>>642229
The Codex Manesse is filled with noteworthy knights. Just look them up.
>>642924
Shut the fuck up
>>643169
no way this fuccboi is a knight
>>643176
>Walther von der Vogelweide (c. 1170 – c. 1230) is the most celebrated of the Middle High German lyric poets.
>For all his fame, Walther's name is not found in contemporary records, with the exception of a solitary mention in the travelling accounts of Bishop Wolfger of Erla of the Passau diocese: "Walthero cantori de Vogelweide pro pellicio v solidos longos"--"To Walther the singer of the Vogelweide five shillings for a fur coat." The main sources of information about him are his own poems and occasional references by contemporary Minnesingers. He was a knight, but probably not a wealthy or landed one. His surname, von der Vogelweide, suggests that he had no grant of land, since die Vogelweide ("the bird-pasture") seems to refer to a general geographic feature, not a specific place. He probably was knighted for military bravery and was a retainer in a wealthy, noble household before beginning his travels.
>>642317
Killed by Spanish Pirates.
Great fighters indeed.
>>643067
>Don Quixote
>>642229
>Soldiers with the best equipment
>Who could spend their lives training for battle instead of labouring
>Useless
>there is a reason why when people talk about historical badasses they mention Spartans, Samurai, Vikings but never knights
If by people you mean your group of weeb friends, but people who study history refer to chevaliers all the time.
>>642317
Obviously not if they couldn't tell which way to attack with thier Sword.
>>643201
Awesome collection
>>643204
why would weebs care about spartans and vikings?
Knights were like having an Air Force.
If you dont have them but the other side does you are fucked.
If neither side has them, its ok.
If both sides have them, they look like they get nothing done except cost a lot fuck tonne of money when you lose one.
>>642413
Zawisza Czarny
Roland
Jackie Chan
Fuck
>>644632
Because they're popular in the media too, and different from their own culture.
>>643178
What are those? Those black rectangle things?
>>644966
Something like this.
>>642229
>defeated by mongols
This meme needs to die d e s u s e n p a i.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Mongol_invasion_of_Hungary
>The invading force entered and burned the town of Pest, which had long since been abandoned by its population, who fled south and west of the Danube.[24] During this event, members of Queen Elizabeth's household launched a spirited and effective sally against the Mongols, while she watched from the safety of the walls of Buda.[25] The Mongols were ultimately defeated[26] when met head-on in battle by the hastily assembled royal army of Ladislaus IV, in the hills of western Transylvania.[27] The army had benefited from the reforms and had a higher proportion of "knights" than the army the Mongols had defeated a few decades earlier at Mohi.
>>642276
>leaving out Le Bon Chevalier
baka
>>642276
>El Cid
>>642229
>Vikings
>>642229
Ser Arthur Dayne
Ser Barriston Selmy
Ser Loras Tyrell
Prince Rhaegar Targaryan
Serwyn of the Mirror Shield
>>645515
Are you implying the most feared warriors of their time weren't badass?
>>645593
they weren't feared for their fight abilities, they were feared because they pillaged defenseless villages or some shitty small kingdoms in britain
>>645602
yet they conquered England
Either bait, or OP is a fucking faggot.
>>645612
No they didn't?
>>645637
>what is Danelaw
>>645644
>The Danelaw (also known as the Danelagh; Old English: Dena lagu; Danish: Danelagen), as recorded in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, is a historical name given to the part of England in which the laws of the Danes held sway and dominated those of the Anglo-Saxons. Danelaw contrasts West Saxon law and Mercian law.
So the place with their influence, doesn't mean they conquered england you tard
>>645637
>what are Normans
>>645654
decendents of norse raiders that absorbed into frankish culture and became part of france
>MUH HERITAGE
Fucking retard are you some kinda fucktarded americlap that thinks they're german or norse or some shit?
>>645670
I'm 1/16 Norwegian don't insult my warrior heritage you butthurt shitskin. White power.
>>645704
Lad, Fuck off. I'm 1/160th Cherokee. Don't insult my native heritage. I'm literally in touch with nature,
>>642229
>Samurai
>>642229
OP pls bait better
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>>642858
Why don't you list the first 2 invasions?
>Hurr du we defeated mongols after 50 years!
>>644966
The crest of his helmet.
>>649056
Because the first two times, the hungarians and poles mostly fielded lighter cavalry, and even then the few knights they did have performed well. Once they started fielding knights en masse against the mongols, they defeated them.
>>649345
this is some next level poltard bullshit
the whole transition of cavarly becoming lighter was thanks to mongols and turks since the heavy cavarly was ineffective against them
>>649394
Sure thing m8
"The Hungarian and Croatian attempt to halt the invasion at the Battle of Mohi failed catastrophically. The light cavalry that made up most of the Hungarian mounted forces had proven ineffective against the Mongol troops, though the few heavily armored knights (mostly those of the Knights Templar) performed significantly better. (Sugar, p.27)"
"The Mongols were ultimately defeated[26] when met head-on in battle by the hastily assembled royal army of Ladislaus IV, in the hills of western Transylvania.[27] The army had benefited from the reforms and had a higher proportion of "knights" than the army the Mongols had defeated a few decades earlier at Mohi."
inb4
>Wikipedia
>>642276
>no William Marshal
>>649417
>Wikipedia
>>649309
>behold, I am the Finias Tunisia the Knight of Fish! My strikes are swifter than the flick of a salmon's tail and stronger than the waves that crash toward shores.
>horse: woe is me, for I am forever condemned to carrying this set of armor plates that smells vaguely if rotten tuna. Pity me, for this is my fate till the day I trout no more.
>tries to shit on Vikings
>gets BTFO
>moves on to more obvious b8
Come on now
>>650126
I don't remember even one anti viking thread when anyone successfully defended them unless you count ''lmao christcucks xD'' and ''they conquered England because Normans were vikings'' as BTFO
>>649309
>the dogs are running from the smell
>>642229
wtf dude samurais were literally japanese knights
a heavy byzantine clibanarii would wreck any of them
still, slavic vityazes were da best
The Knights of the round were pretty kicks senpai
>>651082
While they are the feudal warriors of Japan, their way of life and role in combat are very different.
Bushido evolved to becoming an true warrior code that was relatively solid in its practices and had a serious influence over not only its practitioners but the rest of Japanese society as well. If a samurai (even one of significant status) is discovered to have acted against bushido his honor (and often life) is forfeit.
Chivalry on the other hand is a vague moral code which knights followed at will and with little consequence.
This has nothing to do with their combat effectiveness but the lifestyle which they followed.
>>642229
gilles de rais, joan of arc, guilleam martell, roland le paladian, Jean de Carrouges
>>642229
>Complains about knights being poorly trained
>Mentions Vikings
Top kek.
>>642290
Greetings, Ken-sama. How's Japan?
>>642574
>>650116
kek
>>654548
What a weird post. He was clearly judging their qualities as knights, which is what the thread is about.
>>654616
Within an arbitrary framework that a priori excludes them from being knights.
>Durrr King Richard wasn't a knight because he was a king hurrrr
>>654622
Not necessarily so. He was pointing it out what they are actually famous for (in his opinion).
It could be countered by providing arguments about their abilities as knights if you disagree with him. For example I hear Richard was a pretty dab hand with a battle axe, not merely a king.
>>654640
Ok.
>>654665
Thank you for your agreement friend, hopefully you have learned enough from this discussion that next time you will make a good argument rather than a bad one.
>>642229
>defeated by Mongols
Well, it's no surprise. The Mongols were a huge horde.
>crusades failed
Arguably. Christianity kept most of its lands due to knights despite the obvious numerical disadvantage.
>poorly trained
This one is just bullshit.
Now for the bonus round!
>Samurai
>Vikings
>Spartans
Glorified Hollywood "warriors" :")
>>654716
The fact is that anon's opinion is based on an arbitrary framework that a priori excluded those men from knighthood and therefore the meme was appropriate.
>>654775
If you felt that was the claim he was making you should have attacked him on the basis of trying to establish what the definition of knight was and shown him to be incorrect, which you could have done rather than complaining.
I quite agree with you that it is possible, for example, to be a king and a knight.
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/orders/knights.htm
>>650116
> till the day I trout no more.
kek so much for my sides
>>651955
>this is what weeaboos actually believe
Tojo did a good job on you, my unshaven friend
