Tell me about the Song /his/
Not as good as the Tang.
>>613668
>>613677
>Song
>Tang
Not based Qin.
Renowned as a cultural high point for China even more so than the Tang, introduced the Confucian exam system and a number of dubious practices as well (i.e foot binding)
Had an absolutely garbage tier military that couldnt even defend its botders so the Song became experts at diplomacy and payed off tribes which worked well until Genghis united them.
>>613794
>Had an absolutely garbage tier military that couldnt even defend its botders
Kind of funny since they basically invented firearms.
>>613815
Oh for sure, the Song invented not just Gunpowder but A LOT of technologically sound good ideas. The Song Period armor for one thing which is *the* Mainland East Asian armor that was used by Chinese, Nomads, Viets, and Koreans.
Its just technological competency isnt everything in war/military.
But technological
Which dynasty created an huge irrigation system that allowed for multiple rice harvest every year and in so doing doubled the population of China, which in turn lead to a shit tonne more specialists developing cutting edge technology like gunpowder and the printing press?
What kind of man really was Liu Bei ? The romance always try to make him an exemplary man, but it doesn't feel right, since he spent his time betraying everyone.
>>613898
Very distant relative of the Imperial Clan. That's all. Pretty much noticed by Imperial authorities when he led a private militia along with his sworn bros in the Yellow Turban Rebellion. Afterwards he was given a minor government post.
But he was an administrative genius and was also charismatic. Leading to his rise.
>>613668
Arguable the best time period in Chinese history. I quite like their visual arts too.
Most of their famous inventions date from that time.
Movable type printing, commercialism, blast furnace, gunpowder and much much much much more.
Then it all went to shit and they were largely unrivaled for a few centuries in Asia.
Crash Course said that the first Chinese dynasty was a fabrication to establish a precedent of losing the Mandate of Heaven. Do some people within China or elsewhere still believe that first dynasty is real?
>>613915
Well the Jin gave them a good smack.
Why didn't I learn anything about Chinese history in school? All I remember reading about was that one time Western powers invaded to smack up the Boxer uprising. Is the Eurocentrism real?
>>613939
You can't have an introduction to world history in the short high school years.
>>613915
Wasn't the blast furnace around during the Han dynasty (possibly earlier)?
>>613927
The first Chinese dynasty had nothing to do with fabricating the mandate of heaven.
The Mandate of Heaven came about during the very traumatic fall of the Shang Dynasty. Prior the Empire, and prior feudal China, China was ruled by a theocracy: the Shang Dynasty. Whose rule derived from priest-kings.
This dynasty was toppled by the Zhou Dynasty in one of the first recorded acts of rebellion by the Chinese. This devastated the Chinese as their priest-kings who supposedly had a direct line to the Gods were fucking overthrown. The Mandate of Heaven is a product of soul searching by the Zhou - the cunts who rebelled in the first place- trying to understand why their Gods allowed them to win against their appointed rulers.
Logic therefore dictated that "maybe they allowed us to win because they were pissed off with the decadence and corruption of the Shang." Which leapt to "Maybe they wanted us to win."
>>614183
Yeah, Crash Course said the Xia Dynasty was made up by the Zhou to justify the overthrow of the Shang. The Zhou made up the events of the Shang overthrow of the Zhou in order to manufacture a precedent of dynasties being overthrown, when in fact it had never happened before because the Shang were the actual first dynasty.
>>613939
It's irrelevant for the average person in your country.
>>614248
So is most human history.
>>614258
And most human history isn't told at schools.
>>614269
And yet they teach it despite its irrelevance, hence the argument that Chinese history isn't taught because it isn't relevant is bad.
Relevance to modern history doesn't determine what is taught in history courses, the relevance to Europe is what matters. History courses only cover European events and only deviate from that when teaching about periods before Europe had written history, and even then they only cover the civilizations that played a part in influencing European history. India and China don't exist in most primary school history textbooks until Vasco da Gama.
>>614289
>the relevance to Europe is what matters
In Europe. Or is chinese history not told in China?
It is "noted for art and literature and philosophy" but they just don't compare with modern European peaks in those.
>music
Mozart
>Literature
Shakespeare
>Painting
Leonardo
>Philosophy
Nietzsche
>>614232
It wasnt a fabrication. They literally had to come up with some explanation as how their priest kings-god appointed- fucking failed them. One could equate Mandate of Heaven as a something similar to a revolution in religious doctrine for the Chinese.
Because the Shang derived its legitimacy similar to Pharaonic Egypt: the King is of the Gods. His word is the word of the Gods. Toppling the word of the Gods blew the minds of Chinese back then. There must be some explanation.
>>614320
>Literature
The eternal anglo sure strikes again.
Shakespeare possibly is the most Asian of Western writers given that his plays are all "Lets make a story out of this historical event." Which is 3 out of the 4 great novels of China. And also similar to Japan's first novels.
>>614320
>Shakespeare
Anglocucks please
>>613785
>Song
>Tang
>Qin.
Not superior Ming
>>614320
"Nietzsche and Zhuangzi paused,
stepped off of Cliff's Edge
into the pointlessness
of universal or absolute meaning.
"Bottomless!!", cried Nietzsche
in despair, overcome with
existential angst, the sensation
of vertigo, of nothingness!
And plunged head first into the
a-byss.
"Weightless!!", exclaimed Zhuangzi
delighted, freed from Convention
"And if an abyss is bottomless,
there is no falling!"
And watched Cliff's Edge floating
a-way."
Nietzsche BTFO.
Hangzhou best imperial capital
>>614365
Ming Dynasty was shit pham, literally paved the way for China to get cucked by Perfidious Albion.
>>614419
>Ming Dynasty was shit pham, literally paved the way for China to get cucked by Perfidious Albion.
The Ming actually was welcoming of western experts. Just in manageably quotas and under supervision.
The Imperial Arsenal is a good example of this. Jesuits were working with Scholars in devising artillery pieces.
>>614419
U w0t friend?
Builds powerful navy consisting of mighty Fuchuans, build largest palace ever, abolished slavery in China.
>>614328
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm saying the Xia Dynasty was fabricated by the Zhou. Are you saying that the Xia Dynasty was real and was overthrown by the Shang?
>>614383
>In this book, A Daoist Theory of Chinese Thought by Hansen, a similar charge is made that contrasts Nietzsche and Zhuangzi with regards to the pointlessness of universal meaning. The author paints Nietzsche as a disappointed Christian and Zhuangzi as a daoist:
>disappointed Christian
Great scholarship, anon.
>>614431
If China had canons and small arms then why the hell did they get the shit kicked out of them by vastly outnumbered European expeditionary forces?
>>614485
Qing decadence causing decline in Chinese civilization
t. Han nationalist
But that's what they believed and they might've been partially correct. China was in a massive decline by the 1800's, but it probably wasn't the Manchus' fault.
>>614485
Because those were 1600's small arms and cannon tactics?
Its like complaining why an army of Tercios loses to a Napoopan Period Army.
Not to mention the Qing Dynasty shut off China from the world?
>>614494
>t.
What does the t stand for? I don't remember ever citing anything like that in school.
>>614499
If China wasn't able to get modern weaponry then how did Japan? Did Britain give Japan modern weaponry?
>>614547
>didn't learn finnish memes in school
third world tier, tbqh chapladfamalal
>>614552
The Japanese bought them and made them.
Foreign goods threatened Chinese markets. The Qing Emperor shut down all trade with the outside world.
The Japanese tried to do something similar after the Portuguese tried to setup a Catholic puppet regime. An American Admiral (Perry) sailed over to Japan, blew their ships out of the water, then dragged the Shogun and Emperor out of their palaces and made them accept non-Dutch merchants.
>>614564
Okay, now that you are all memed out, what does it mean?
>>614591
>An American Admiral (Perry) sailed over to Japan, blew their ships out of the water, then dragged the Shogun and Emperor out of their palaces and made them accept non-Dutch merchants.
That didn't happen tho.
>>614598
Regards.
>>614602
Do you seriously not know about the whole "Unequal Treaties" thing? About Commodore Perry (I got his rank wrong)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakumatsu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty#Unequal_treaties_imposed_on_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_C._Perry
>>614591
The eternal American strikes again...
>>614468
He was in his early days pham
>>614494
The Eternal Altaic strikes again
I became interested in china ever since I got yellow fever. How much to buy a wife over there? The dollar is strong now, so it's a good time to buy, right?
>>616431
Are you American ? If you are, marry a girl, promise to take her with you to your country, every Asian girl loves green card.
>>616463
>Are you American
I am an American. And a medical student, too. I think I've got a good shot
>>613668
Goryeo was the only province to not fall to Mongolians.
Explain that faggots.
>>616476
Mongolian BBQ can't melt Goryeo borders
>>614620
They didn't sink anything.
They had based music.
>>614320
>Nietzsche
/pol/ack detected
Couldn't keep the Mongols out and got assfarked because of it. Cucks.
>>613794
The Confucian exam system of meritocracy goes all the way back to the Han
>>613866
Sui
>SONG SONG SONG SONG SONG
