Napoleonic Wars were the most boring type of warfare by far
>uniforms looked like shit
>hurr gonna shoot my musket once a minute and hit the guy next to the guy I was aiming at because it's a piece of shit xD
>standing in lines
it was just so samey and bland
It had to do with discipline when the accuracy was pretty much the same
The rank and file made up the "fluff" so that when fired in volley under discipline is always better than firing without discipline and at your own pace because of the timing and concentration
When you are disciplined you can defeat a much larger force in the same way, everything relied on drills training and deployment
Natural evolution of weaponry
>>609383
How can a person be so out of touch with reality
>uniforms looked like shit
I'll admit to being triggered.
>>609383
You're confusing with 18th century warfare (Seven Years War, US Revolution...)
Napoleonic Warfare had very few standing in line and shooting, actions between infantries were mainly bayonet melee
This is b8 guys. Don't bother.
>>609383
Modern warfare is much worse
>ugly greyish uniforms that look like shit for Americans, rags for jihadists
>hurr gonna hide behind a rock for ten minutes while muzzies shoot at me and wait for a drone manned by a basement dweller back home to arrive and kill the enemy for me xD
>>609430
>I have a gun better charge in instead
wow people were retarded before 20th century
>>609383
>What are infantry columns
>Light infantry (skirmishers)
>artillery focus by Napoleon
It's not simple combat
Napoleonic Wars naval combat was the best naval combat though. I think the land warfare was interesting too, but French Revolutionary and Napoleonic War era naval combat was fucking awesome.
>Pinnacle of sailing wooden ships of the line
>great focus on strategy and battle tactics
>broadside gunnery with decks of cannons
>marine sharpshooters firing from masts and deck with rifles
>boarding action melee combat with sabres, axes, and pikes and pistols
>use of fireships as distractions and to break lines
>golden age of the royal navy and prestige of naval officers and the admiralty
>>609491
I thought naval strategy for large scale actions at the time was pretty simplistic, and really came down more to the nuances of individual captains and crews once battle was joined.
The obvious exception is the British strategy of sailing at the enemy in column, but apparently that was only possible because of how superior British naval gunnery and discipline was at the time. Also OP is obviously shit b8.
>Uniforms looked like shit
what
>>609521
It was fairly simplistic to start or at least there wasn't a whole lot of thinking outside of the box by most. I was mostly talking about the great tactics employed by exceptional captains. Nelson, for instance, did some straight up amazing things. The RN was at the height of its badassery and the naval warfare they conducted was really cool. It's really a shame that there isn't more television or film depicting that kind of thing. Outside of the wonderful Hornblower series and the one Master and Commander movie we got... both of which were awesome.
>>609457
>americans think every gun is an automatic with magazines of ammunition
brap brap
>>609699
Brits did look like shit because of their gay ass weirdly shaped shakos.
Now, French and Russians had proper shakos and looked fucking badass
>>609709
>Nelson, for instance, did some straight up amazing things
like what? I'm genuinely curious
>>609457
>have enough guns to arms the populace twice
>still lose to 19 brownies
Well, it's certainly the least exciting time you can place a video game into without making the reload speed the same as you would with a 1878 .44 revolver like Ass Creed does.
>>609383
>>609457
>all this weak-ass bait
To be serious, though, this was a hell of a time to be an infantryman. You get to dress better than anyone else in your income bracket, move farther and fight harder than most any other soldiers in history, stare down cavalry charges, artillery fire, and maniacs rushing to slice your guts out with swords on the end of their muskets which they're also shooting at you.
>>609449
Insurgency as a game is alright, even if it is a dying and waiting sim.
Napoleonic warfare was rad as fuck. Every single motherfucker on that battlefield looked like an outright pimp. Those crazy bastards marched in line straight into artillery and musket fire, and all the while some crazy dudes were playing the happiest fucking songs for them on their fifes and drums. Motherfuckers were playing on their fifes like it as some garden party while their friend was the little drummer boy and all around them people were getting shredded by cannonballs and nobody gave a FUCK. It was all about discipline, so everyone tried to be composed as fuck. You didn't want to be the first to break his cool so they all stood there like their house was burning down around then and they were all like "it's cool." Fuck you man, Napoleonic warfare was badass.
>>609731
>Shako
The brits didn't wear Shakos, they wore caps.
A shako has to be wider at the top than it is at the base.
>>609733
His victories during the Battle of the Nile and Trafalgar are both worth checking out. He was a genius. Probably the first or second best naval commander in history.
They should have just invented rifles with longer range t b h familias.
>>609789
Negatory captain, British soldiers wore stovepipe shakos.
>>609731
>Brits did look like shit
Are you even aware of how much shit you're chatting.
I ought to come give you a proper bifter you big wazzock
>>609814
Did he ever have to fight a competent enemy though? I don't know much about Villeneuve, but it seems like with the state the French and Spanish navies were in at the time, any British admiral would've been able to pull off the Nile and Trafalgar.
>>609869
Nope, at the time they were known as caps.
Also by period hat definitions, they're caps.
"Stove pipe shako" was coined after the Napoleonic period when the british army only wore Shakos, or it was used as a term by non military types who didn't know what they were talking about.
>>609430
I believe tactics deployed by the Prussias during the 7 Years War were hardly standing in line and shooting, but more maneuver based than even Napoleon's were.
![reenactmentarticle-2197748-14CE33A7000005DC-619_634x421[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yz1RhDu.jpg "reenactmentarticle-2197748-14CE33A7000005DC-619_634x421[1].jpg")
>>609383
this thread again?
you made this exact same thread about 3 months ago why recreate it all over again?
>pic related: it's you
>>609919
Can you source me friend? It's not that I don't believe you, I've just literally never read anything that hasn't referred to them as shakos. It seems like referring to them as a different type of headwear based on such a tiny difference would be splitting hairs.
>>609491
a ship was probably the worst place to be though.
the chances of you getting killed weren't probably as high as the chances of you getting maimed
>splinters all over the place
>awful condition to perform surgeries/recover from wounds
>many places to fall from
>if boarded melee fights are ensued and that's how you lose limbs too
>sporadic decease outbreaks hard as fuck to "fix"
i would prefer to be on the battlefield and face my chances against musket fire and artillery alone than to gamble my own survival against so many fucking elements
>>609939
why were Napoleonic wars so fucking shit?
>>609383
Actually Napoleon broke line warfare.
>>609970
Just make sure you get posted to a bigger ship of the line. That way you hardly ever have to leave port.
>>609383
>uniforms looked like shit
Everything else is subjective but fuck you the uniforms did not look like shit.
>>609457
The bullet is a fool, the bayonet is a fine chap.
>>609971
What do you mean? how so? shit in what way?
>>609970
Battlefields of the time had just as much heavy artillery fire and chaotic melee
The only difference is that between battles you are in the cozey countryside rather than in a floating prison among rats
>>609763
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFgSmR0i3A
>>609997
Boring and gay.
>>610011
You need to be 18 to post here
>>609814
Why do you anglos act like he was some yi sun sun? The strength of England was its organizational capacity, not because they had brilliant commanders.
>>610010
Ah, yes. Fucking love that vid.
>>609383
Anon, if you wanted a Napoleonic thread all you had to do was ask.
>>610011
just like u then lol xD
>>609954
Just requested it from a friend who makes these uniforms and equipment for a living, hopefully he'll send the sources over before the thread dies. But he spends hours in the national archives researching the minutest bit of detail about these things so i trust what he says.
But yeah, the definition of a "Shako" changed some time in the late 19thC. In the Napoleonic period Stove pipes were regarded as caps, as were the Belgics.
Although Belgics were also knows as "Bang ups"
Bang up being soldier slang for something newfangled or fresh from the stores or just generally good.
>>610020
Nelson was certainly a good commander, it's just hard to know if he was great since he never really came up against anyone fantastic. The Royal Navy's strength was its discipline and strong sense of professionalism amongst its officers - not so much the army.
Muskets are the most boring weapons in history even swords are more interesting.
>>610039
Sources regarding "Cap vs Shako"
http://www.95th-rifles.co.uk/equipment/regimental-cap/
http://historicalconsultant.com/wp/2015/01/13/regimental-caps-of-the-95th-rifle-regiment-of-foot/
>>610039
Well you learn something new every day, thanks for that.
>>610046
>Most important items to look at are primary sources, so clothing warrants and orders. The British Army did not adopt a 'shako' (that being a hat where the top is wider than the base) until late 1815/early 1816. Some Cav. units did before, but certainly not the infantry.
>>609759
>What is Napoleon: Total War
>What is Mount&Blade Napoleonic Wars
>>609744
Remove this image. Jk I live in AMERICA we have freedom of speech god bless
I don't know...the uniforms are hard to beat
>>610062
>>610058
>What is Napoleon: Total War
Mah nigga.
>>609814
I said first or second. I think Yi is the greatest actually. And I'm not anglo.
>>610079
Playing it now. New British campaign, gotta bulk up Gibraltar. Spanish are always sore after that lump of rock.
>>609970
I never said it was safe, just that the navy men of that era were badasses. Ship life was hell, particularly if you weren't an officer. But the glory and prizea were plentiful if you were posted to a ship with a good captain. Truly it was a time of wooden ships and iron men.
>>609383
Video on the greatest victory of the Napoleonic Wars
Quickly you see the true colors of England as the instigators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZRr2gx96U
>>610104
There could be a Wellesley campaign similar to Napoleon's, starting with his Indian campaigning.
>>609383
Everything you just said was wrong.
>>610079
This game is great. It's waaaay better with darthmod though.
>>610061
these faces are all fucking equal
>>609383
They fought like that because of the weapons they had. If your guns are that short range and inaccurate, you need to mass them in batteries to do anything.
>>609383
>>uniforms looked like shit
Pic related is the 19th century "I just fucked your bitch in some gucci flip flops"
>>hurr gonna shoot my musket once a minute and hit the guy next to the guy I was aiming at because it's a piece of shit xD
1. Specific tactics were created to deal with the current rate of fire: Volley Fire (namely Fire by Rank)
2. Rifles were actually being created at this time
>>standing in lines
Refer to point 1 above
![Muslim-inbreeding[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WrJbrNG.jpg "Muslim-inbreeding[1].jpg")
>>610350
they're english so it's mostly explained
>>610104
My biggest wish. Same with having all the improvements of Attila in Rome II.
>>611114
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-hq_CHNH0
>>609383
No bait, this was a cheeky ploy to get a thread about Napoleonic-era warfare started
>>609975
nah, you want a frigate so that you get the prize money for taking defenceless merchant ships
>>610010
>that video
My sides.
Also
>the bayonet is still relevant.
>It killed a few argentinians that happened to trip over a bayonet during combat.
I would argue that the bayonet is mostly useless today. Back in the days of the line infantry, the bayonet was used to repel cavalry charges and defend a position against an enemy charge because the rate of fire was too low to use your weapon effectively.
>>609383
Do we need this thread every week?
>>611343
I did training with a bayonet when I was in, and while I've never actually had to use one, it still has its uses. Irish Guards did a successful bayonet charge in Iraq back in the late 2000s, and lots of real bad house to house stuff (i.e. Fallujah) is done with bayonets fixed.
>>611256
Versace Versace made an oath to France like I'm Horatii
This is a French community, please get the fuck out le propriété
World must be changing cuz France at the top Anglos ain't on top of me
Niggas be wanting a monarchy but that's not a swap to me
Drowning in conquerings, Egypt in the bacckyard bout to get Hermopolis
Born in Corsica but somtimes I feel like France adopted us
What the fuck is you talkin bout? Saw Prussians coming like I had binoculars
>>611343
it will always have a use for the moral effect, hence why each major military kept them since the 1700's
If you're sitting on a frozen hill at night and you know a bunch of angry brits are running up screaming with long fucking knife guns you're going to turn tail/surrender
There's something unsettling about cold steel
>>611343
Bayonet charges were still used to effect in Afghanistan by British soldiers too.
>>609383
But imagine all of the rape you could have participated in.
You were guaranteed to not die a virgin.
>>611518
>try to rape
>get erectile dysfunction
>still a robot
>>611518
>Bosnia, Turkey, and Azerbaijan fighting ISIS
>Including tiny nations like San Marino and Malta
>Gibraltar and the UK separate
This meme mildly ticked my autism
>>611518
Sweden should be a camel though
Mount and blade napoleonic war is the shit
but that era was cool as fuck
>>611565
Not to mention Albania, Kosovo, and South Africa...
>>609383
I find the opposite, while the battles themselves were quite bland the uniforms are something unique that we most likely won't see again.
>>611518
>Sweden, UK and Germany
>not camels
Ruined
>OP clearly wants a Napoleonic Wars thread
>Starts it off by pretending to be retarded
I don't get it.
>>611957
>while the battles themselves were quite bland
>>611986
Tsunderes are the absolute worst.
bait : the thread
>>609383
>Uniforms looked like shit
>you will never be a Napoleonic era commander
>you will never have a cool uniform
>you will never rally your men into daring acts of bravery
>you will never have horses shot out from under you
>you will never fuck some nigga up with a sabre
>you will never defend the colours from french shits
>>613131
>wanting to be anything but French during the napoopan war
>wanting to be repeatly humiliated and saved by allies instead of knowing the glory of conquering Europe all alone
>>609383
>Napoleonic Wars were the most boring type of warfare by far
You clearly haven't done your research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD5J5LEBVCk&ab_channel=Criken2
