>>603885
For many of the lower class, the cultural conservativism that often comes with Marxism is a lot more attractive than the libertarian socialists, who seem to be out of touch bourgeoisie.

>>603885
>muh no true commie

>>603885
Never post again.

Marx seemed more analytical and less about being dreamy

>>603893
>out of touch bourgeoisie
Marx and especially Engels fit that description quite well.

And Bakunin wasn't a bourgeoise, he was a nobleman.

>>603885
Material conditions of a society will always crush idealist fantasies.
>left fascism
top kek

>>604714
>author of Capital and among the primary organizers of scientific socialism / communism
>"Out of touch"
Being a bourgeoisie isn't the problem, it's being a bourgeoisie and not being a class traitor.

>>604721
Again, Bakunin was a nobleman from Russia before the abolishment of serfdom. So he came from a strictly feudal background, not bourgeoise.

Engels however came from the household of a wealthy industrialist while Marx was a son of an urban Jewish lawyer who converted to Lutheranism, they were as bourgeoise as it gets.

>>604732
Did you even read the fucking post?

>>604742
Yes and your post technically implies that Marx and Engels were class traitors.

>>603893
>the cultural conservativism that often comes with Marxism is a lot more attractive than the libertarian socialists
But that's only in the XX century. Back in the XIX century, anarchists and earlier socialists were the conservative ones, while marxists attracted the weird people of the day, feminists and such, even though some anarchists were feminists. Today Proudhon is a controversial figure among anarcho-feminists because of his views on women. This changed after WW2, when post-modernism lifts off and marxism is equated with the Soviet block.

>>604721
>Marxism
>economics

>economics
>scientific

>>604721
>scientific communism

As plausible as scientific Mormonism

>>604907
>>604914
You posted in this thread without being a familiar with basic terminology? Embarrassing, as usual.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/

>>605062
>marxists.org

Won't even bother.

>>604715

Such was the fate of Marxism.

>>605071
Try /v/, that should be right about your level, knuckle-dragger.

>>605088
You might mean "actually existing socialism", assuming you're not an idiot.

>>604902
>XX
>XIX
>WW2
>2

>>605139

I was referring to the 'idealist fantasies' you mentioned.

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>>603885

>using fascism as a buzzword so you can show everyone how triggered you are about your failed ideology
Fascism will triumph
also sage

Who will join in my Fascism tribe? lel jk i actually like fascism . Kill me.

>>605139
Let me just laugh at your poverty you waste of oxygen.

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>>605271
>poverty
everyone knows all communists are middle-upper class Americans. everyone who has actually experienced communism hates it

>>605292
Wadda 'bout Zizek?

>>603885
this is a very one sided way to view history.

>>603885
>>605393
I mean this is a pseudo dilemma; first of all, the soviet states were established on Lenin's doctrines. To what extent Lenin's sayings and Marx sayings collide, is open to discussion, and personally, I don't think Lenin established any school of thought...