Native American culture and history discussion thread
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
>What does the future have in store for natives?
>tfw 25% huron 25% finnish 25% slavic 25% irish
am i even white
>>597432
75%
>>597432
What do you look like anon
>>597432
does it matter?
>>597432
Isn't Slavic a language group? I don't study linguistics, so pls no bully
>>597432
>tfw fraction heritages
>tfw muh American diversity
>>597454
Back when I worked at Best Buy a fellow employee bragged that he was 64th Cherokee and showed us his wolf paw print tattoo or whatever.
He had one of those flip out knives and showed us his technique on a cardboard box.
He thought it was inexcusable that modern people didn't learn survival skills to live out in the woods if need be.
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
Ducked up situations of broken treaties and fighting with the BIA, dependency on the BIA, poverty and in-digging between the dig traditionalists and the often time mixed race red elites, threats of being kicked off the rolls
Hell in essence
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Fucking terrible for natives
>What does the future have in store for natives?
Limited options, ugly future without complete overhauls in rez politics
I care because my family owns the burial mounds of our ancestress and her kin after French takeover. The tribal descendants don't have federal recognition.
I know that the natives of Canada are at a crossroads of crap
>Shitty Chiefs that are corrupt as fuck, claim racism if the government demands to know where the money is going to (muh independent sovereignty rights)
>Government getting fucking lazy about actually practical uses of wealth to fix native shit, such as better transport conduits to distant native communities, better education etc
>Claiming the murder and/or disappearance of aboriginal women is because of white people, and not investigating into the shitty treatment of native women by native men, broken households etc
>Muh forced residential schools
It's not that I actively despise the natives as a community nor group, I've seen the issues since I'm barely Metis but have a large amount of native family members, both shit tier and good tier. However people just get fucking crybaby over shit that has gone on in the past, and giving money to natives for shit their ancestors may have gone through is not even a valuable one at that, since it'll all be blown through soon after receiving the money. We need something more concrete and impacting. Throwing money at the problem hasn't solved in the past, why would it solve anything now?
T.Manitoba fag
>whine about Jackson forcing out the southern indians
>they're the only ones still around of the tribes east of the mississippi
Jackson was right
>>597423
As a non-american i really dont understand the reservations.
Being born in the reservation means you are, or not an american citizen?
Can the locals one day declare the reservation is no more?
Are they technically micro-states?
Do they have their own laws?
How do the economy function inside? Can they let foreign businesses in and then charge taxes?
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
Most reservations are failures full of poverty and it is being overlooked. Not sure what the reasons are, but I am pretty sure it isn't 100% due to racism, the issue is dominated by liberals so no one is going to take a serious look at this.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Tyranny is wrong in all its forms. Liberals have turned this into a meme and try to make it look like a European exception which is not true, but obviously back in the real world driving people off their land is still immoral.
I am not sure what liberals would have in mind if the US magically became a universal democracy full of conscientious well informed voters in 1783, I am sure many Indians would want to join the US, adopt old world technology and sell or rent their land fair and square, though something tells me liberals would prefer some na'avi fantasy and think it would be best if nothing changed, I also wonder if the Indian chiefs would want to adopt democracy and allow themselves to be voted out
>What does the future have in store for natives?
Most will linger in poverty while liberals throw more money at them with only very gradual improvements.
Also liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals.
>>597432
>25% irish
What the fuck do you think?
>>597570
They can absorb American territory into their own if they buy land and settle it.
Where I am at, exactly 50% of the people like the Chumash and exactly 50%are racist old white retards who ran the economy into the ground and use that to ethnically cleanse the other 50%. Chumash are exactly centrally located and their withdrawal from the southern 50% into oneness with the northern 50% as an independent County would reveal the southerners to be corrupt as fuck because their tax revenue would suddenly vanish.
Basically, white people left alone in enclaves of whiteness are shifty, Natives use casinos because it is phase one in a nation building plan.
All this racism is just but there White people crying because the Native is better than him even after 99% of the population has been destroyed. It has been this way since the Cherokee.
In other words, the reservation system is full of shit and meant to contain the Ubersmensch Native. Meanwhile, the Native, realizing murder of him by the White is practically legalized, imported the Mexican, the Asian and the Poor but Entrepreneurial White Farmer to function as allies. The Native did this by waiting until the White had turned beautiful land into the hell hole Brave New World of Isla Vista, Santa Barbara, and those other little towns no one cares about except for their Pea Soup.
If anyone is curious, I can provide more background, starting with interstate casino politics and why calling the Native out on his casino is the fastest way to reveal yourself as a bottom-feeding ignorant retarded plebeian. Paralleling this is Monsanto in the 1980s.
By the way, I did not answer your question >>597570
About voting and citizenship because they don't matter. The law does not apply, period, and de jure standards exist, the fact is the majority local population can do whatever they want.
Consider citizenship and voting. At the time the reservation system was finalized, you could be a citizen only if you had a degree of Whiteness, a qualitative value measured in court, most often for Mongolian-looking Finns. Not long afterward, the de facto standard was so long as you worked to the standard of other citizens. However, when the time came to settle the question in court, you must realize things like a friendly BIA did not exist, so the Native was at the mercy of county hearings.
This extends to road building and landscaping. Let us consider two different things. The Chumash population in the Central Coast plus parts of nearby counties was approximately 60000 at 1800 or so, after severe depopulation, as measured by the priests, who at this point had established the Mission, an agricultural system that, if you bothered to study it, still stands at the absolute top of what we would think of as traditional agrarianism. This decreased to 4000 after Indian hunting and murder, with disease playing a part. Recall that the disease-stabilized population was 40000 to 60000. Then mass immigration happened. These immigrants did not reach the little isolated valleys and islands around here till much later, but by 1910 or so, an anthropologist was recording what he expected to be the last generation of traditional Chumash life, where not even the Mission was involved. (Fishing.) So we are clear that murder and pretty much nothing else killed off the Chumash as a self-functioning group.
>>597636
Now, the Central Coast is one of the most biodiverse places on Earth. You actually can sustain 5000 Natives on the ocean, islands and near coastline. But then the reservation system came into play. At this point, the Native is now completely at the mercy of whoever had de facto majority citizenship. Now I hope understand why any questions to your answers are just legalese and the point of the reservation, at least here, was literally to starve-out the remaining Indians whom Earth's bounty makes literally impossible to exterminate otherwise.
Next, a certain percentage of Chumash died per year until various reform movements occurred AND Also until the original immigrant White population was evicted by Japanese, Mexicans and a whole lot of industrial Whites and farming Whites who had no concept of White overlordship and thought it was a bunch of bullshit. Then WW2 happened and the Japanese left. Then Space Shuttle Columbia happened and more people left. The only reason Whites still dominate politics and force the BIA to intervene on the Chumash' behalf is because the entire Santa Barbara municipal region is one giant arcology meant to trap and brainwash is white inhabitants in poverty of spirit. You have all heard of beautiful Santa Barbara, but have you ever walked it's real streets? They fucking suck.
Well, there is actual ethnographic literature written on the Chumash and quite a lot of it, too. I recommend reading it, especially the ethnobotanical stuff. Just keep in mind industrial influences, because, and I don't know why, but none of the anthropologist who wrote those things seem to know a single thing about the environment immediately surrounding the Chumash. Well, there really were only two or three Anglo anthropologists.... You really need to know Spanish to investigate the Mission literature and their economic and climatic records.
>>597461
He's right, I fully believe they should drop all high school kids out in the middle of Alaska for a month with a survival kit as a pre req for graduation.
Never mind, even restricting myself to memes still requires 3 posts, and I haven't even summarized the basic stuff fully. An actual introductory article would be quite long, and even longer as a comparative analysis between Chumash affairs and, say, some random colonial African country's affairs would be necessary because most people don't know where to begin with Indians beyond "hurt durr they are all alcoholics".
I even got that goddamn response from the gas station manager not far from the Chumash reservation, worthless piece of bleached shit....
I hope someone will post some Chumash literature. Some neat children's books use the Channel Islands as their settings. Then there is practical ethnobotanical literature telling you why Chumash didn't die from rattlesnakes while regards retarded Whites born and raised IN THE TOWN RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESERVATION die from such bits annually. A single anthropologist spent a long time with them in the 1920 and produced quite a bit of writings. Their "canoe" has been recently resurrected based on his documentation. (Yes the Chumash forgot how to build their own technology,when I say they were starving while confined to the reservation I am giving you a very conservative estimate of their gradual reduction to near-infantile states!)
I'm not racist, its just that 90% of the Whites around here should've gotten their Darwin Awards long ago. Then I wouldn't be complaining about Whites.
Why do I kill every thread I post in!
>>597824
Very informative.
>>597636
>calls whites racist as an insult
>calls whites shifty
Lmao
>>597787
That sounds like a great idea if you're retarded and don't think about it for more than a second.
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
They deserve reparations
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Yes it was an inevitable and non-unique instance of colonial powers fucking over less powerful folks, but that doesn't mean it wasn't shitty and we are morally insulated from its repercussions
>What does the future have in store for natives?
Genocidal policies will eventually reduce their dwindling populations to nothing
You can call me tumblr but it doesn't change the fact that Indian reservations are shitholes as a direct consequence of the US being dickheads
>>597432
0%
>>597423
Leonard Peltier was 100% guilty and members of AIM killed innocent people, hurting their cause more than the FBI ever could
It's weird. I grew up in Oklahoma and worked for the Cherokee Nation most of my adult life. I was legally Cherokee and all my co-workers and most of my friends were too. Recently I moved further east and it's actually quite jarring not seeing any of the Native influence. In OK it seems every town had an Indian smoke shop or casino, every gas station sold Indian knickknacks, and there was just a constant presence there. It's pretty strange not seeing it, honestly.
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>>598644
There's a little bit in the South, but they have hardly any cultural influence north of the Carolinas
>>597636
The Anglo hates the Aryan.
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
Stupid.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Niggerish.
>What does the future have in store for natives?
In Peru and Bolivia: positive things.
Outside of Peru and Bolivia: nothing good.
>>597464
>my family owns the burial mounds of our ancestress and her kin
That's pretty fucking neato.
Louisiana?
Once again, Border Reavers ruin everything
up
I'm studying Lakota right now, it's an awesome language. It's really cool to see those people struggling and fighting to save and restore their language and culture.
It helps that the language kicks fucking ass and they try to give you everything you need. I think it sucks that they basically are the survivors of their own apocalypse and the things that are hurting them the most are this retarded "only one language" policy and those ridiculous ethnic lines of "everybody is either white or black, maybe hispanic or asian". Both makes the US not even acknowledge the native peoples.
>>597423
They don't see modern society as their society. It's the same reason Chinese still use traditional "Chinese medicine". They are so butthurt about the success of the "West" that they fail to differentiate what is simply culturally Western and what is objectively the correct way of doing things.
Matters were made worse by the US government thinking the best course of action for solving poverty on reservations was by condoning gambling and drug use. The first job of most Amerindians on reservations is stealing from the mentally ill in casinos. This causes them to further dissociate with society because they see it as inherently exploitative and use drugs as an escape.
>>597423
>>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
never met one
>>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
tragic
>>What does the future have in store for natives?
hard to say but it doesn't look very good
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
they are shit and they should move on, their culture, military, and general way of life failed; get over it join the rest of us in the 21st century
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
it was a conquest, they put up a poor fight and lost
>>What does the future have in store for natives?
perpetual stagnation or death unless they change
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
They're people who live in unique circumstances and each of them responds to these circumstances differently. I've met some who were really standoffish that told me to get off their land while I was hiking, and I've met others who gave me lots of free food just for being interested in their culture. Being members of endangered cultures seems to weigh heavily on a lot of them, and for some holds them back from living a comfortable life.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
The destruction of the Inca, the Trail of Tears, and starving the plains by killing the buffalo were pretty barbaric acts even by the standards of the time. Other incidents were more morally gray.
>What does the future have in store for natives?
No clue. I kinda hope the Sioux get the Black Buttes back.
>>601407
>black buttes
shit, I meant Black Hills
>>597457
croats are mostly illyrians with slavic admixture
illyrians were assimilated by the romans, lost their culture, and then assimilated by slavic settlers from modern poland, into a slavic culture. so theyre ethnically slavo-illyrian.
t. i am partially croat as well
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
I can only really speak of my own home reservation, but its a weird situation between those trying to rise up, better themselves, and move forward to improve the community and then there is the small group on our reservation crying "we is warriorz, we protect the rez!" acting like they know shit about what they say, then they party all weekend, get in fights, neglect their families, and deal drugs and shit. trying to be 90's gangsta niggers with red skin, scum of the earth. Like I said its a mixed bag of people.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
A shitty deal, but whatever, nothing we can do about the past. Just gotta harness the and utilize the the knowledge and negotiations of our ancestors and try to make something with what we got. it's not gonna be easy, we got a ways to go but I'm gonna do everything I can to help get us there.
>What does the future have in store for natives?
For our people at least, it looks good I think. There are plenty of other reservations that have it much worse than ours and we have come a long way. I hope to have a hand it making it even better with the time I have in this life.
some armor from Alaska for you guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjLmqAZ_0o
John Wayne Murdered our Indian brothers
Burned their villages and raped their mothers
In the name of god, he gave a white mans word:
Live by this or die by the sword.
What did plains indians do in terms of warfare between the introduction of the horse and the use of firearms?
>>597787
Alaska during the summer is beautiful wilderness.
Anyway what is Boy Scouts
>>600300
>Peru and Bolivia 5% annual growth and rising
MAPUCHES ON SUICIDE WATCH
THE ZAPA INCA WILL RISE AGAIN
>>604254
Horse archers.
>>604470
I knew that much.
What about the lances they depict in art?
>>604254
Lama archers
>>604474
>>604481
I should clarify I meant plains Indians.
They were savages.
Andrew Jackson did nothing wrong.
>>597824
>Yes the Chumash forgot how to build their own technology,when I say they were starving while confined to the reservation I am giving you a very conservative estimate of their gradual reduction to near-infantile states!
That's not surprising, technology is adaptive. Whether or not a culture or a society retains knowledge or chooses to adopt it depends entirely on the circumstances of their environment.
Went to Navajo and Hopi nations once. Felt desperately poor and neglected and that people lacked any hope that it would get any better; they didn't even bother with the false smilely service you get in the rest of America, and even the biggest settlements seemed half abandoned. Basically natives seem to be something the American people and government like to forget about.
>be Canadian
>most rezes are shitholes because the band chief steals all the money given by the government for personal use and then claims racism and treaty breaking when anyone tries to question it
>muh missing and murdered aboriginal women is a sacred cow used to prove how horribly sexist and racist white people are even though 90% of murdered aboriginal women were killed by aboriginal men
>whenever something bad happens to a rez the government gets blamed even though there's basically nothing they can do, so it never gets fixed either
>Trudeau wants to pass a law to stop native tribes that recieve government aid from being audited
treaties were a mistake
>>601407
The Inca weren't really destroyed. Just conquered and slowly assimilated
In fact the Spaniards mixed constantly with them. They biggest thing they did was christiniazing them
>>604702
Don't they have nationalism to hold on to?
>>604906
Indians never had a nation with clearly defined borders, a like commonality, and an established governance.
They are called tribes.
>>597423
I've been to the reservations by me. I wonder if those people who tried to "christianize" the native peoples weren't doing the right thing.
>>605171
tribes can have nationalism m8. they are still a social unit
>>605590
Tribe...alism?
>>597423
>completely shit on, land taken, forced to forget culture
>oh shit im sorry, here you can live on these reservations, tax free heres some free housing and shit
>natives now all wasting away on their reservations achieving notging and being forgotten about because they have nothing to aspire to, they already have free housing and are being enabled to be drug addicts because its constantly reinforced theyre victems and it isnt their fault
no other race has been shit on harder. Not even the mayans had to deal with a prolonged shamwful display
>>605645
>they didn't deserve it for not even trying to develop a decent civilization
>>597824
I hope your tribe does better and buys up a ton of land on the Lost Coast. The very idea of that gorgeous land being turned into another soulless yuppie suburbia makes my blood boil.
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
It's not a great system.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
A dickish thing to do, but there's no use complaining about spilled conquest and migration.
>What does the future have in store for natives?
Poverty mostly.
>Modern Natives on reserves complain about ebil whitey and muh culture
>While wearing Western clothing
>And living in houses.
>Eating junk food and have an extremely low life expectancy because of heart disease and diabetes.
>While getting money from the federal government, without having to pay taxes.
I think traditional Native culture is badass. But seriously they need to get their shit together, if they are gonna keep complaining about Settlers then they should practice what they preach. Abandon the White culture they rely on, put on some leather chaps, grab a bow, and go hunt some deer. But they won't because they are just wannabe victims, truth is they really couldn't give a flying fuck about their own culture. This is just reserve Natives I'm talking about, the drunk ones who constantly complain.Casinos are also bullshit, I'm White; but because of my Great Great Great Grandfather who I have no relation to I'm technically considered a Native and meet the prerequisites for being hireable at a Casino.
Most "Natives" I've met are distantly related by proxy. The legit ones I've met were really cool though, they don't live on reserves, work hard and live successful lives, while at the same time respecting their heritage (most celebrate their ancestry with a festival once a year).
>First time meeting a Native as a kid on a unrelated field trip
>Expecting a LARPer
>Instead just a dude with denim jeans and a shirt.
>Shows me how to carve wood
>Kid next to me calls him an Indian.
>Teacher tells him that it's actually Native.
>Actually we're neither. We never had a name for ourselves, I really don't care, call me whatever you want.
>We all then start to call him [spoiler] Faggot [/spoiler] from then on out.
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http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html
>In the vision of the Mohawk chief Iliawatha, the legendary Dekaniwidah spoke to the Iroquois: "We bind ourselves together by taking hold of each other's hands so firmly and forming a circle so strong that if a tree should fall upon it, it could not shake nor break it, so that our people and grandchildren shall remain in the circle in security, peace and happiness."
We fucked up.
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
By isolating themselves from mainstream American society they worsen their own circumstances. There's no point trying to salvage remnants from their own culture. Better to try to assimilate
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Inevitable. The meeting of advanced civilisations and prehistoric cultures always ended badly for the latter
>What does the future have in store for natives
Continued loss of cultural identity, racial dilution, greater irrelevance
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I wish we hadn't converted them and they still did freaky shit like this.
>>604653
anyone that says different should be beaten with old hickory's cane
>>604653
Jackson was a dick and what he did was illegal
the five civilized tribes did nothing wrong
>>603201
>Playing Civ V as Japanese
>Alaska spawn
>Ancient war with Cathaginians from Canada
I can picture it so clearly now.
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>>608879
They were as civilized as any white man in the South
>>604233
>John Wayne Murdered our Indian brothers
I'm pretty sure he never killed a single person. He didn't even fight in WWII because of his advanced age (34) and family status.
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
All I know are the common stereotypes. This thread has been informative.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Just people being people. I enjoy the fruits of this conquest and lose little sleep over it.
>What does the future have in store for natives?
Status quo is a powerful force to break.
I'm not upset about the European settlement of north America, Anglos have done so much with it and we're here to stay, but I wish native American culture and language had cultural holdouts and maybe even their own small country. Some place like Alberta abd the Dakotas that had unfettered native culture.
>>608937
Irrelevant to Andrew Jackson's era.
Right of conquest /thread
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>>609499
Some of those folks were probably alive during Indian Removal and they still fought for the South.
Jackson was a total shithead when it came to the Indians, and everyone who wasn't a fucking greedy cracker thought so too.
>>610461
Right of conquest.
John Marshall go home, whinging faggot.
Jackson is based.
By the way
Fuck mods.
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>>610558
Just because you have a massive boner for the guy doesn't make him a good person or even a good president. Andrew Jackson was the Donald Trump of his era, a blowhard and a bully with no respect for the law who used his aggressive personality and populism to mask the fact that he had no idea what he was doing, as evinced by his disastrous decision to not renew the national bank's charter.
>>610603
He quite literally was the best president we have ever had.
Fuck yourself commie pinko liberal shit.
Donald is a puff of fart compared to ol' hickory.
>>610603
I'm pretty sure the man had plenty of idea what he was doing.
Most competent president desu SENPAI.
>>610643
What makes him the best president ever? What policies made him a greater president than Washington, Lincoln, Teddy, or FDR?
He was also directly responsible for causing one of the worst economic crises this country has ever faced. He flagrantly defied the separation of powers by expelling the Indians against the orders of the Supreme Court and in violation of all treaties that had been hitherto signed with the tribes, making him not only a disgrace to anyone with any sense of honor at all but also a quasi-dictator in the eyes of any American who values the principles upon which this country was founded.
>>610684
>Washington
He was a good man who was able to keep politics stable in a hectic time. But didn't do much. The man and the president are two different people
>FDR
Absolutly garbage and destroyed the remainder of traditional American society and values. Should have been killed.
>Lincoln
Didn't live long enough, should have let the south do its own thing.
>Teddy
Man>the president
The economic crisis was caused by the bank itself, you don't build a Rollercoaster of bandaids and toothpicks and then say "YOU CAUSED THE CRASH" when someone says to stop. The bank has caused the world's biggest economic fiasco ever seen. Jackson had done no wrong in destroying that vile and infections institution of laundering.
I don't give a damn what he did about the Indians, right of conquest and manifest destiny superceded the precious separation of powers. The United States would never be in a proper and powerful place without the relocation of the savages.
John Marshall was a faggot and not representative of the "values" you speak of. Jackson made the right choice to move the savages for the way of American civilziation.
>>610684
>only president to ever eliminate the US debt
>solidified the Americas into one valued nation and prevented rebellion
>Beat the shit out of savages
>stood up to John "fat faggot" Marshall
>widely extended suffrage to the common man, himself being one
>tried to rid the US of the cancer of central private banking
>B-BUT
The man was a god.
>>610750
You just criticized those presidents without offering anything to support the idea that Jackson was better than them. Jackson never carried the nation through a war and he was shit at diplomacy.
>Rollercoaster of bandaids and toothpicks and then say "YOU CAUSED THE CRASH" when someone says to stop
What was so unstable about it? Nicholas Biddle was doing a fucking fine job of establishing a stable credit and currency and by Jackson's time it was absolutely solid. Congress performed several investigations on the bank under Jackson that confirmed this, but Jackson ignored the reports and went ahead with his plan anyway because he, like so many other ill-educated Americans, had a superstitious fear of financial institutions.
"I do not dislike your bank any more than all banks. But ever since I read the history of the South Sea bubble I have been afraid of banks."
Not renewing the bank's charter contributed DIRECTLY to the panic of 1837 by creating of control inflation. Removing barriers to printing paper currency made Jackson's pet banks issue tons of the stuff so that settlers could purchase former Indian lands, but Specie Circular forced them to only accept metallic coinage after 1836 because Jackson was an economic illiterate, causing massive devaluation of paper currency. No other financial crisis in American history can be so closely linked to a president's policies as the Panic of 1837 to Jackson.
>right of conquest and manifest destiny superceded the precious separation of powers
The term "Manifest destiny" hadn't even been coined by 1828 and "right of conquest" is just a meme popularized by Game of Thrones. You're just making shit up to justify your love of an eccentric man with a short temper whose main claims to fame were being successful in his personal finances and boldly killing people. Separation of powers is one of the single most important features of our government, and without it the Constitution would be impossible to enforce.
>>610754
>beat the shit out of savages
Who're the savages: the people who were living a Christian lifestyle on their lands and making an active effort to be model citizens while preserving their culture, or the greedy white trash second sons of farmers who wanted to break treaties over a few patches of shitty land in Appalachia and Mississippi and whose progeny are among the poorest and most ignorant people in the country?
>>610872
Manifest destiny had not been formulated, but was still an idea of American expansion by then.
And right of conquest has been around for a long time. I don't even watch TV shows.
I disagree completly with you saying having the bank is justified, I don't believe in such a central private institution. It's enslaving a nation to its debts.
While he did also cause other economic issues, not all were directly his fault.
He was a great president, general, and man.
>>610951
>the is ignant
>Inguins dindu nuffin
>the is sweet the is kind
>trying to paint pioneering Europeans as "savages"
Latin American teacher please go.
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>>610960
>trying to paint pioneering Europeans as "savages"
No, not all pioneers. Just the Mississippians and Georgians who pushed out the Civilized Indians.
The Five Civilized Tribes were following George Washington and Thomas Jefferson's plans for making their society equal to that of whites, and it had succeeded. They practiced Christianity, yeoman farming, modern commerce, slavery, centralized democratic government, invented their own writing system, and created a public education system. They were model agrarian republicans in every sense of the word except for the color of their skin. And you know what? Unlanded whites in the deep south didn't give a fuck and just wanted the land because there was a bit of gold on it (that ran out within 10 years of its discovery). Jackson gave a voice to those greedy fucks by saying none of the Tribes mattered because they were racially inferior, and his arguments justifying the removal were that it was "progress" and that the potential for money to be made justified the breaking of treaties.
If that doesn't sound niggerish I don't know what does
>>597423
>What do you think of current Native Americans living on reservations across the United States?
The ones who haven't managed to use the special casino powers we gave them are idiots. The rest range from pretty poor to rolling in fat stacks of casino cash.
>What do you think of the European conquest of the Americas?
Thanks smallpox. Seeing as how I personally benefit a great deal from it I support it.
>What does the future have in store for natives?
casino dollars, affirmative action, and alcoholism
>>601254
Reddit: the post
Seriously
>>597423
The one time I went through a native reservation it was the shittiest place I had gone to at the time, in my country (Canada). The schools were a mistake.
>>605787
>civilizations develop conciously as if someone where deciding things through the ages
I'm in canada and natives here are what I imagine blacks are like in america, only less uppity and dogmatically anti-racist in the media (no whining about "lack of diversity"). Reserves are ghettos.
>>612044
>only less uppity and dogmatically anti-racist in the media (no whining about "lack of diversity")
Do you even listen to the CBC?
Or read any national newspaper?
>>612051
maybe I just notice it less because we don't have hollywood. In general canada is a vapid progressive-liberal hell.
>>602557
Please leave
/ Some Croat
>>612066
I agree.
unfortunately now we have to deal with the weed man for 4 years.
>>605607
The e gets dropped (tribalism). But yes, that's a thing, though it's somewhat different from true nationalism.
I prefer calling them Amerindians. It's not as retarded as calling the Indians and doesn't make Americans butthurt about implication of "native". Everybody wins!
>>597443
I usually say "Slavic" to east european people and russians too
Im probably wrong but it's a easy way to give them a ethnic
