So where the guals/germanics/visigoths really their own little empire that always hated Rome until they got revenge or were the basically just ooga booga where the Mediterranean women at.
>>574129
>ooga booga where the Mediterranean women at
According to Caesar and Tacitus this.
>>574129
they had their own complex society if that's what you mean. Most of our direct information on the Gauls come from Caesar's account, which we can wasn't the most factual considering he was at war with them.
>>574163
And I mean the Germanics/Visigoths, the Gauls were regarded as more civilized by that time.
>>574169
Have you read the Gallic War? Caesar wasn't biased towards them, he had no reason to be bitter since he won. He also says that the Gauls were civilized, had trade and agriculture, whereas the Germans had nothing at all and lived in forests.
Not trying to hate on the Germans, they built a great country in the 19th century onward (the best imho), but by 100BC they were snow niggers.
>>574198
But they became competant 400 yrs later?
>>574355
Pretty much, they were just a few centuries behind.
>>574129
Celts and Germans had 0 empires. Germans less so.
The Continental Celts on the other hand, their most sophisticated social organization was an elective confederation of multiple princedoms, clans, and warlords. And some of them lived in fortified towns that were virtually almost cities.
>>574355
Jastorf culture was shit-tier.
>>574198
Germany was just a giant forrest which was frozen 4 month per year.
Gaul on the other side was highly agricultural had relatively mild climate and a lot of minerals, also it was closer to the mediterrenean civilsation.
So it is only logical that Gauls were pretty advanced compared to Germans etc.
Also the name Gaul was an invention of the Romans, the Gauls never identified as Gauls, but only as several celtic tribes
>>574355
Thanks to Roman conquest and support as a pronvince yes.
any texts on roman invasion of germany, jutland?
>>574823
>17,18,19
We don't speak of these lands nor those "Men".
>>574129
None. But closer to the second.
Unless you're that autist to claims they're dacians, visigoths are inside the germanics though. And gauls and germanics are not really more related than gauls and latins outside of the parts where gauls and germanics co-existed.
>>574129
>just ooga booga where the Celtic women at.
FTFY
>>574823
Literally the wordt thing in history that led to everything bad ever.
>>574355
After generations of being foederati and serving in the auxiliary many of the tribes gained enough knowledge about Rome to beat them. Also helped that Rome's native military was in the shitter permanently after the crisis of the 3rd century and had to rely on these people heavily to the point where they actually replaced the military in certain parts of the empire and rose to high stations in others.
>>575008
WEW
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>>575086
>that Rome's native military was in the shitter permanently after the crisis of the 3rd century
>Arminius, without doubt Germania's liberator, who challenged the Roman people not in its beginnings like other kings and leaders, but in the peak of its empire; in battles with changing success, undefeated in the war.
-Tacitus, Annales II, 88
>>574129
Gauls had agriculture, architecture, population and law. Germanics and Visigoths were straight-up ooga booga tier and subsisted mainly as disjointed tribal bands throughout the woodlands of central Europe.
Don't fall for the "black people are ooga booga because they're black" meme. Never underestimate the power of culture.
>>575112
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Arminius failed horribly in every fight after Teutoburg, and he was 200 years before the crisis I mentioned.
>>575222
The point is that Rome got rekt at the height of its power and influence.
>>575230
In one "battle" that was quickly rectified. Look up the campaigns that followed, the Germans got fucking annihilated in every engagement.
>>575237
>Result: Decisive Germanic victory.
Roman Empire's strategic withdrawal from Magna Germania.
>strategic withdrawal from Magna Germania.
>Teutoburg Forest has been seen as a pivotal clash, which ended Roman expansion into northern Europe.
>ended Roman expansion into northern Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest#
>>575254
Yes one defeat that made them reconsider holding a territory not worth its trouble in any strategic sense. I get your point that the Romans given a heavy defeat (albeit at the hands of pretty heavy handed treachery). But my point is that in nearly every other engagement afterwards for over 300 years the Germans failed horribly in their attempt to best the Roman military. If you actually bothered to read up on the campaigns I mentioned, you'd know that merely years after Teutoburg the Romans mounted several campaigns into Germany to "punish" the tribes that took part in the ambush, and utterly beat them at every engagement. If the Romans had actually wanted to continue their occupation of Germany they could easily have done it for a couple more centuries until either the crisis itself or the migration period that conveniently followed shortly after.
>>575326
>blah blah blah
>>575254
>ended Roman expansion into northern Europe.
>ended Roman expansion into northern Europe.
>ended Roman expansion into northern Europe.
Didn't Germanic Tribes have confederations, and Things of council?
Were the dark ages actually a massive success Germanics, wherein they make huge strides or did they always have it?
>>575326
>Despite several successful campaigns and raids by the Roman army in the years after the battle, they never again attempted to conquer Germanic territory east of the Rhine River. The Germanic victory against the Roman legions in the Teutoburg forest had far-reaching effects on the subsequent history of both the ancient Germanic peoples and on the Roman Empire. Modern historians have regarded Arminius' victory as "Rome's greatest defeat"[4] and one of the most decisive battles in history.[5][6][7][8][9][10]
>>575823
The "dark ages" is a terrible meme started by butthurt Romanboos. In reality, the Medieval period saw a blossoming of Northern culture and produced some of Europe's most iconic leaders such as Charlemagne and Alfred.
