Post biggest millitary disasters in history.
the Chinese are miserable at war
so much for that Sun Tzu meme
>>571407
>Hi, I'm Ferdinand I, and welcome to Jackass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Balkan_War
>listening to court eunuchs
JUST
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>>571416
Funny, Chink Emperor even got captured in that battle and his army of 500k troops is totally annihilated by 20k Mongols.
>>571419
He was in the right.
>Serbs
Conquered in 19 days
Even France's failure in 1940 looks glorious compared to this
>>571464
If only Frederick II is still alive at that time.
>>571464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17YqczWI2R8
>>571511
i love GoT and everything but dude, this is /his/tory
>>571511
>/r/eddit
R-ROMA INVICTA
>>571407
>Disaster
>1449
I dunno. The Ming continued to be a thing for another 200 years. Not to mention with the Mongols hurled back in the Mid 1500's.
>>572039
It was quite a military disaster. That prompted the rebuilding of the great wall btw that you see now.
But yeap, they were driven out eventually. Qi Jiguang's Northern Campaign.
By an infantry army no less.
>>572017
>tfw when you realized the Carthaginians were the good guys who nearly won against insurmountable odds
Carthage only enslaved criminals and defeated warriors, basically thugs who would otherwise have to be put to death for practical reasons. They allied with the celts because they were pretty nice guys and didn't let their soldiers rape and pillage like savages whenever they tried to extend their influence into a region making enemies with everyone. Their government, as far as ancient states go, was quite democratic, kind of like Venice, leaders were elected frequently from among wealthy merchants and the previous leader willingly stepped down.
>muh child sacrifice
babies were often left in the wild to die by the Romans, at least in Carthage if there was a famine and the child was likely going to suffer and die they did it ceremoniously and out in the open instead of concealing the problem, again, like the slaves, it was a lesser evil
>>572075
>good guys
>bad guys
Rome and Carthage were not that different, both were imperialistic oligarchic republics, Rome just had a much larger manpower pool.
>>571464
>Even France's failure in 1940 looks glorious compared to this
lol how even
>Prussia is just the single hegemonic state amongst fragmented German states
>its army is outdated as fuck
>from its western border to Berlin is tiny
>actually plays a role in the culling of the conquering forces at Waterloo
then WWII France
>France is a unified country with most of its clay
>has one of the most modern armies
>gets completely stomped and conquered by the Germans anyway
>navy gets destroyed by Britain
>knocked out of the war as a relevant force, apart from Vichy/Free France
>How do you want our soldiers fight, my lord ?
>Just fuck my shit up
>>572220
>uhhh pacifist countries are better at war so long as their army is modern and they have good borders -________-''
-you
>>572301
No.
>>571407
>>572340
to expand on pre ww2 soviet union
>>572294
It's basically assumed though that the numbers were exaggerated later to make it look more glorious. Basically subtract a zero and you got the most likely real number.
>>572580
> subtract a zero
/his/ is truly humanities board.
>>571448
>Deploying your entire army in the west while surrounded by enemies
>Refusing arbitration that would've handed him a fair portion of Macedonia anyhow
>Losing hard-fought Adrianople to the Turks at basically no cost to them
>>572580
what did you want him to say, divide by 10? we all know what he meant
>>574915
>catamarans vs caravels
>"Europa stronk"
>pls don't post about the times aurangzeb forced the anglos to give up their privateers or be kicked out of the subcontinent
/his/ should talk more about the Spanish Empire
>>571416
yeah
I don't know where they get their ego from
almost ended the war of Mexican independence, imho maybe it should have.
Everything Mussolini tried to do with the Italian military.
I don't know why the fuck he fancied himself a general.
>>571419
Germans are cancer.
That was on purpose.
>>572371
Best one tbq
Korea Stronk
>>575474
Art of War is a meme. Mongols, Manchu, Japs and Europeans showed to us that it is bullshit.
>>575510
>Art of War is a meme.Mongols, Manchu, Japs and Europeans showed to us that it is bullshit.
No, it showed that Chinese military examinations were piss poor at yielding good officers. It is more or less pass a civil examination, then study the Seven Military Classics plus what ever else we add to it in order to pass a test on that, then prove that you can do horse archery. Because clearly every single officer needs to be able to do that even if most of the army is not horse archers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination#Military_examinations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_military_texts
The ideas in the art of war are not bad, but some of the other books on their reading list were or at lest highly 'dated'. The Chinese really needed more education on company & regiment scaled tactics and on leadership skills in their officer training and less artificial glass ceiling content.
>>575474
How in the fuck? That has to be bullshit on some level. Could China even have mustered that much troops and kept them supplied?
Perfidious Anglos BTFO.
>>575686
You know how Herodotus claims 2.5 million Persians were at Thermopylae?
And at a certain point we said 'waaait, that can't be right.'
Eastern History hasn't gone through that phase, in a lot of parts, yet.
>>575740
>Thermopylae
Modern estimates are that was 70,000 to 300,000 Persians at the battle of Thermopylae, 305,000 is not impossible to keep supplied in one place. Especially with almost a thousand years tech advance. Having said that I believe that what is up with the size of the Chinese force at the battle of Salsu is what is called now days "ghost soldiers". Basically commanders claim that they have recruited more men then they really have with the plan to steal the supple and pay for meant for those extra men. One of the more common thing for the higher ups to due if they fail to stop that practice is to increase the needed nominal troop number ( to get the formation to the desired strength) and then to give less then what the nominal number of troop would need for supplies and pay. The counter reaction to that by the recruiting/field command officer is to increase the percent of his men that are 'ghosts'. Most cases of this the formation is over 50% of nominal strength, but there is a few cases it it being as low as 30% of nominal strength.
So the number of 305,000 is likely what was on paper for the Sui Dynasty but it was a number that no who was directly involved believed in the lest.
700 vs 200,000
And with Suleiman personally leading them, even.
