Did Pinochet come up with the best way to dispose of communists?
Yes he was absolutely based
Installing him was the best thing the US ever did
>>56689
The man literally gave zero fucks and he made Chile the best its ever been doing it
>>56575
What, the thing where they threw them out of helis at like two feet up a few times, then threw them out at height?
>>56755
Ahahaha what a troll image
Btw I have nothing wrong with jewish Zionism, I just want to make sure everyhing else gets to be nationalistic as well.
dammit those shitposters from the USA who never lived in chile when he was the president
>>56755
Christ suddenly I kind of like Israel more, what a disgraceful group of leftists.
>>56724
to the sea, AFAIK
if it was me i'd litter them at the Andes snow, kind of a throwback to incan times. dunno if they did it too or not
>>56575
>Did Pinochet come up with the best way to dispose of communists?
Best is a value judgement and so non-historical.
In terms of actually disposing of communists either the Soviet Union, China, Holland, the United Kingdom or the United States have probably been most effective at repressing them.
>baww the people don't actually want richfags to own everything
>I'll throw them out of airplanes, that'll show them!
>>56755
But what if i hate both?
>>56861
I was talking to Chileans on /int/ the other day and they all agreed he was pretty based
>>56977
you are lying me
>>56989
gotta remember what kind of people posts at /int/
also they're mostly "democratic christians" (center right)
>>56946
not me, i'm paraguayan sorry
>>56575
I'm a fan myself
>>56989
Allende was a fucking disaster, Pinochet saved Chile from turning into a complete failed commie state
>>56989
I'm not they were cool guys
We talked about anime and how based Pinochet was
>>56946
perufag here, even i love Pinochet
>>57053
>i post in lat threads
"hey al menos traté"
and for real, on the contrary of Argentina that went full commie, most chileans are center. the fact that Bachelet didn't go full leftard is proof
>>56861
get purged faggot
>>57082
and? it does not change the fact that pinochet was an asshole prostitute of the US government
>>57118
yes, but unlike that bastard Stroessner he did not steal
and unlike that idiot Galtieri he did not drive his country to an useless war
so... i dunno
>>57118
And thats why he was so based
Chile could be like Venezuela right now, but Pinochet made the right choice and sucked so America dick
If you believe that ideology is more important than progress then sure, Pinochet was great.
Cybersyn would've made the Chilean economy one of the most efficient in the world; Pinochet supporters are nothing better than luddites.
>>57192
>When he was the president
Pinochet set Chile up to go on to greater things and thats what you did
Pinochet gave you the opportunity
>>57173
>Chile could be like Venezuela right now
btw in the 70s and 80s Venezuela had the best education ratings of LatAm, great infraestructure and basically all the investments escaped from cocaine-infested Colombia and moved to Venezuela. had the best Miss pageants too. all it needed was some soccer or baseball league championships
....but everything changed when the Nation of Chavez attacked...
>>57248
>venezuela
>glory
ahhaahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahah
>>56755
>Nigel Farrage
>British White Supremacist
Fucking lol
>>57228
this, today Chile is arguably the best SA nation
>>57180
>letting computers have control of the economy
yeah that sounds like it couldn't fuck up
>>57283
>this, today Chile is arguably the best SA nation
when will this shitty meme ends?
>>56689
Love this pic, too ironic
>>57303
Other than Uruguay I can't think of a better one
Argentina is up there too
>>57303
>meme
Evidence disagrees with you m8
>>57329
People from Uruguay and argentina both think their countries are shit. Ironically each think that the other country is better than their own
>>57341
>this board is for remembering, after all
yes, and venezuela have always been misserable, does not matter if capitalist or communist
Is this what this board is going to be?
Dictator worship?
Damn, i guess i really getting to old for this place.
>>57285
If you're the same as people scared of AI because they've 'seen Terminator' then sure.
It worked very well in all instances it was used before it was dismantled. There's no reason to assume it would've been a failure.
>>57372
wow what a useless post
>>57372
yes
Historical Revisionism: the 4chan board
>>57365
I actually think the entire continent, fatmurrica included is shit.
Can't wait to get out of this shithole and go to Yurop or even Asia.
>>57353
>evidence
i seriously hope you're not talking about HDI, because Cuba, Argentina and fucking Saudi Arabia have it higher than Chile. fucking meme index
no, Chile is best because the only bad thing you hear about them are volcanos and flaites
>>57379
>implying it would work
Technocrat pls, the free market is fine.
>>57365
thats because people in Uruguay are depressed as fuck.
The only people who living in Uruguay that hate it there are the nationalists.
all of my family loves their country.
>>57371
>venezuela have always been misserable
proofs.png
>>57413
>Cuba
>Saudi Arabia
>South America
>>56575
murder is wrong
>>57447
search about Perez jimenez, he was a dictator
>>57372
>dictators
>inherently bad
>>57490
When did i ever limit it to HDI??
>>57490
>MUH GULAGS
>THE US DINDUNUFFIN
damn americans
>>56755
This is a top-tier shitposting image.
>>57410
>Implying "revisionism" is always bad
It depends on context. A lot of mainstream historiographical schools have been labelled revisionist or post-revisionist.
For example
>"Ike sucked and didn't get anything done, terrible policymaker"
Traditional school
>"Ike was based as fuck, kept US out of wars and ran things behind the scenes"
Revisionist school
>"Ike was okay in some respects but contributed to the arms race and let bureaucrats run things because he was 2beta"
Post-revisionist school
>>56575
spamming books
Sorenson, Diana. A Turbulent Decade Remembered: Scenes from the Latin American Sixties. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press, 2007.
>Cultural-literary history of Latin America after 1959 that focuses on specific moments—the Cuban Revolution and 1968 Tlatelolco student massacre, for example—and their impact on writers and intellectuals. Argues that the politics of the 1960s were defined by a tension that existed between the desire for utopia (unleashed by the Cuban Revolution) and the recovery of past cultural memory.
Wright, Thomas C. Latin America in the Era of the Cuban Revolution. Westport, CT: Praeger, 1991.
>A broad-ranging study based on secondary sources that traces the history of the Cuban Revolution and its effect on US foreign policy in Latin America and on other revolutionary movements in Latin America, including Peru under the revolutionary military officers, Allende’s Chile, and the Nicaraguan Sandinistas. Useful for undergraduate courses on the subject.
http://bookzz.org/book/2086032/bb9983
Johnson, John J. The Military and Society in Latin America. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press, 1964.
>Groundbreaking study that seeks to locate Latin American army officers as distanced from their violent historical past. Focuses on their emerging role as largely middle-class progressive civil engineers committed to social services. This remains an important work, though scholarship and events following its publication undermine his overall argument.
Nunn, Frederick M. Yesterday’s Soldiers: European Military Professionalism in South America, 1890–1940. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1983.
>Important historiographical examination of foreign influences on Latin American military officers. This work challenges the widely accepted role of the United States as a major factor in the development of Latin American militarism, focusing on the influence of Germany on Argentina and Chile and France on Brazil and Peru.
>>57510
Also Uruguay has the highest HDI in SA, i never said Chile did, what a dumbass
>>57533
Lieuwen, Edwin. Arms and Politics in Latin America. New York: Published for the Council on Foreign Relations by Praeger, 1960.
>This is the first systematic analysis of the Latin American military, including Central America and the Caribbean. It links the conservative Creole elite to the officer class in the first decades of independence, while identifying middle-class origins among contemporary officers who are both more liberal and radical and thus more committed to social change. It further examines US military policies in Latin America. This remains essential reading to understand the origins of the modern wave of Latin American military history.
Rouquié, Alain. The Military and the State in Latin America. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1987.
>Originally published as L’Etat militare en Amérique latine (Paris, 1982)—in Spanish, El estado militar en América Latina (Buenos Aires, 1984)—this overview draws on Rouquié’s experience as French ambassador to El Salvador and masterfully contextualizes Latin America’s struggle between civilian and military leadership throughout both the colonial and modern periods. Highly readable and likely the most approachable narrative for readers of all levels.
Scheina, Robert L. Latin America’s Wars. 2 vols. Washington, DC: Brasseys, 2003.
>Starting with the Haitian Revolution and ending with Colombia’s ongoing drug wars, this exhaustive two-volume examination of armed conflict in Latin America offers a clear narrative and analysis of events throughout the region. An excellent introduction for all readers, offering descriptions of obscure events alongside better-known and documented conflicts.
>>57533
>1968 Tlatelolco student massacre
mexican here.....LOL compared to other LATAM nations, we were not fucked either by the US or the USSR during the cold war
>>57490
>the only option for political dissidents are murder or gulags
hardly, you could always, you know, put them in normal prison when they commit crimes
having free and fair democratic elections usually helps too
>>57421
> My ideology is more important than what actually works in the real world
Instead of just saying it wouldn't work, why wouldn't it work?
It sure didn't work when striking truck drivers tried to block access roads into Santiago and Cybersyn managed to guarantee the transport of food into the city with only 200 trucks compared to the 50,000 truck drivers on strike...
>>57510
you better not. what is your scale to say that Argentina is better than Chile? World Cups?
>>57476
>president from 1952 to 1958
>six fucking years
bitch, you don't even know what suffering is
>>56755
>>57606
i just gave you an example, search more
>>57573
Stepan, Alfred. Rethinking Military Politics, Brazil and the Southern Cone. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1988.
>Comparative analysis, by a leading theorist on civil-military relations and military government, of military prerogatives and transition toward civilian government in Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile, with special attention given to the Brazilian case. Keen focus on military autonomy and the system of military intelligence
McSherry, J. Patrice. Predatory States: Operation Condor and Covert War in Latin America. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2005.
>Important investigation of Operation Condor by a political scientist who relates the transnational antisubversive scheme carried out by Latin American military governments with the support of the United States. On the same topic, by a well-known journalist, see John Dinges’s The Condor Years: How Pinochet and His Allies Brought Terrorism to Three Continents (New York: New Press 2004).
http://bookzz.org/book/867695/4e178d
The Condor Years: How Pinochet and His Allies Brought Terrorism to Three Continents
http://bookzz.org/book/2285857/ec32f1
>>57606
>what is your scale to say that Argentina is better than Chile? World Cups
Lol, nice strawman, asswipe
>>57586
no really, at least in a gulag they could develop the place ...if they survive the hard conditions at least. creating towns
>>57619
look, everything bad that happened at Venezuela and Bolivia happened at 2000 with the Samba Effect and the Asian bubble crash. i won't tell you Chavez did it all but he and Evo were consequence of that economical flop
>>57633
my question stands
>>57585
>their impact on writers and intellectuals
it studies the impact on these guys. I don't think the book claims to say that Mexico was part of the Cold War, but describes the effects of New Left (Castro's revolution etc.) on certain segments of Mexican society. It's an intellectual/cultural history
>>57691
well, here in Mexico the situation was weird.....PRI supported commies, but at the same time they always applied the Shut it down on mexican guerrillas
>>57731
yeah its interesting, I need to read up on modern Mexican history more desu. I only know up to Cardenas' land reforms pretty well, but I want to get more into depth on the rule of the PRI, the Porfiriato and the Mexican revolution
>>57916
>I only know up to Cardenas'
he was a fully pinko compared to other mexican presidents
>rule of the PRI, the Porfiriato and the Mexican revolution
a shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
How about this guy?
>>58254
many peruvians say thet he is an asshole
>>58351
>many peruvians say thet he is an asshole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
I don't, i just wished he could have done more
>Even amid his prosecution in 2008 for crimes against humanity relating to his presidency, two-thirds of Peruvians polled voiced approval for his leadership in that period.
>>58001
I know Cardenas was pinko, but he you have to credit him for trying to redistribute the land fairly in a country were 1% of people owned most of the land. That said, most pinkos fail to learn from history that when you distribute lands, people become better off initially, but this causes them to have more and more kids and the land problem perpetuates itself and the overpopulation leads to urban slums. Thats what happened in mexico i'm pretty sure, which is why the PRI was
>a shit
I still want to learn more about how they ran the country
Anyone mind posting that "Adios mi general" song
I dont know if it was made in honor of pinochet or not, i have only seen that song alongside a video of his funeral and nowhere else, is it a popular song or was it played anywhere?
>>58254
>he won the elections against Mario Vargas Llosa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8DFQC5JPKk
best pinochet related thing to ever come out since 1973
>>57161
>he did not steal
Except that he did, he stole a lot of money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riggs_Bank#Pinochet.27s_frozen_funds
>>58652
you mean the video? or are you referencing some event? I don't think you can blame the PRI for corruption alone though. It existed way before they got into power. It was bad under Porfirio for example, though to be fair, one party states in my readings always tend to devolve into a corrupt state (PRI, bolshevik party, chinese communist party, castro's gov't, list goes on)
>>58528
Found it myself
I love this song, i didn't even know who Pinochet was when i first heard it
>>58652
>Laura bozzo
Lol, she's your problem, keep her
>>58919
fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rsb7dT6sEM
>>58990
>how cancerous she was in Peru?
I honestly haven't watched her shitshow in years, but most people from there hate her, even my grandma hates her and shes from the same town
>>57585
It was a really interesting massacre though. Like a Colombo mystery!
>>59326
>interesting massacre... Like a Colombo mystery!
what do you mean by this?
>>56575
It was a good way since it was public.
It is the price to pay for saving Chili.
>>59637
He didn't save chile, holy shit....
do the european or american schools teach something about operation condor?
>>59726
American schools? Definitely not, at least for public primary and secondary education. Students might get a brief overview of Mexico and the Caribbean, but SA is treated as "terra incognita".
>>59915
Fuck it, they only talk about how mexico get fucked, and evil castro.....but not about Pinoshit
>>59726
>operation condor
Salvo a la América Latina de la tiranÃa socialista, negro estupido.
>>59991
>latino viviendo en USA detected
>>59948
That "miracle" killed many people in chile
>>60054
>latino viviendo en USA detected
Stop projecting. There's nothing for me in that shithole.
>>60054
Pinochet was a murderer but he had good advisers who steered the country along a correct path towards economic development.
>>60054
Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet, chico
>>60054
Do you really believe there was any way of getting out of socialism without a few takedowns?
Pinochet body count is ridiculously low for what it changed in the country. Most efficient massacre ever.
>>60538
This shit has to be a b8
>>60611
It isn't. I lived in a commie shithole.
Just be glad you can pretend to be triggered by socialist removal.
>>60680
Well, chile wasn't the heaven when pinoshit was the president, it was a shithole filled of oppresion and shit, but since we live under american narrative, the rest of the world will never know that
>>60740
He boosted this country out of total irrelevance. 3000 people died, which is low.
He was Diego Portales 2.0.
>>60821
>only 3000
40,000 died, or even more
I've been to Chile. people toady are still afraid of the secret police and being one of 'los desaparecidos'. Regardless of what his leadership did to help the country, that shit is so unacceptable I don't think most westerners can even conceive of that level of fear.
>>60862
Nope 3000 even according to clearly anti-Pinochet sources.
>>56575
He was like a mass fire. Not good, but allowed Chileans to build a better society by burning down the existing structures.
>literally whores every industry in chile to external corporations
>good
kek
>>56951
>Holland
Why. It's just that communism was never a big deal here to begin with due to the pillarisation of society, so there wasn't repression
>>56611
The US didn't think it was so good and fun after he start putting car bombs in the US and Europe in 76'
>>62861
he was an american economic slutpuppet
i know this beacause i am chilean and have seen all about milton freidman
>>57036
>Allende was a fucking disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn
>>60878
it is been fucking disaster for country and only thug psychopaths remember this fucker fondly
>>56575
Was throwing people out of a plane part of his plan?
>>63190
how's the sea bass down there?
>>63190
>he was an american economic slutpuppet
literally whats wrong with that
The more American dick a country sucks the better off they become
>>64640
yes
worked wonders for Iraq
>>64653
I don't think they've spent much time sucking American dick
Its mostly involved the US fucking them up the ass
But give them time to suck dick and they'll improve
>>56951
Found the Trot.
>>65093
Thats guy is in every thread posting leftist revisionism
>>57248
>neoliberals ruin a country
>some socialist or socdem starts cleaning it up
>lol, this shitty economy proves socialism never works
Errytime
>>56575
Nah, he was nothing more than a fiscal leech
>>63247
>only thug psychopaths
and lapdogs. only thing that made sense from your post, because honestly, psychopaths admired him and the bydlo felt protected (less petty crime, moderate inflation, things got more liberated in the 80s until the break in the 90s..)
btw by any chance are you Isabel Allende's relative or what? why so butthurt?
>>65660
>starts cleaning it up
hahahahahahahahaha
>>57538
Argentina's HDI is higher than Uruguay actually
>>65774
i "butthurt" because he destroy my country and was foriegn backed dictator
all dictators need get shit on and die
>>58631
But, where was the lake though?
>>56954
>wahhhh muh richfags, mummy gimmie toys!!
>>56575
No, the best way to get rid of commies is to give them power.
Then they stop being commies.
>>56954
Indeed
>>56575
Yes. See Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina.
>>67014
And Bolivia. But hey, nobody cares about Bolivia, a country so shitty it loses a war to Paraguay.
>>66062
He saved your country from becoming Venezuela or Nicaragua
Fucking Narcos and its "le pinochet was soo cool xd, let's give up against bolivia" propaganda
>>67869
You're missing your next Breaking Bad episode, hipster idiot
>>63224
>>67894
That was the worst comeback I've read in a long time.
One thing I find about commies is that they absolutely suck at bantz. I don't know whether it's communism appeals to humorless drones or if it's because commies tend to be of low average intelligence.
>some communist wins the elections with only 34% of the vote thanks to a retarded electoral law that doesn't have a run-off
>procceed to completely fuck up the economy of the country, disrespect the constitution daily and uses the presidency to arm revolutionary guerrilla groups that are poised to take control once his term is over
>after hyperinflation and attacks on private property take it's toil, the chilean people decide it's enough and protest against the government
>the commie president seeks an alliance with cuba in order to make chile a communist nation
>the congress see what is happening and call upon the army to depose this shit president
>chief of the army heeds the call of the nation, deposes the commie honcho who kills himself like the little bitch he is
>revolutionary guerrillas who were being armed by the government decide to stage an insurrection against the new government, they are BTFO and their collaborators are throw from helicopters
>the new government liberalizes the economy and country prospers, becoming the richest country in the region
Based, desu.
>>68035
Sometimes I wish Pinochet would've waited a bit longer until Allende started using Red terror, this way Allende wouldn't have been made a martyr.
>>68092
That's why I'm somewhat glad that the 2002 coup in Venezuela failed. If they had managed to depose Chavez then, we would still be hearing how Venezuela was the perfect communist country that evil capitalists didn't allowed to bloom, how Americans prevented another socialist success story etc
Since Venezuela was allowed to continue their socialist experiment, now it has been so discredited that Latin America is actually turning to the right again and even American commies like Noam Chomsky shut up about it for once.
>>68154
True. I even saw that /leftypol/ removed chavez from their "socialism has never been tried" meme picture.
>>68035
>procceed to completely fuck up the economy of the country, disrespect the constitution daily and uses the presidency to arm revolutionary guerrilla groups that are poised to take control once his term is over
the same thing Pinochet did, do you actually belive he didnt make reforms based on what the Us told him to do?
>the congress see what is happening and call upon the army to depose this shit president
kek, so now the Us goverment is "the army" and "the people"
>Peoples trashing Pinochet because of anti-dictator memes
Dictatorship is a perfectly fine government technology.
Listening to these tards, we would have maintained the Revolution and not welcome based Napoleon.
>>68360
>people think the US government is omnipotent and can depose governments around the world without local support
Let me tell you a secret, not everyone in Latin America is a communist.
>>68360
How is listening to a bunch of US advisers bad?
Venezuela could be one of the richest countries on Earth if it wasn't so chronically mismanaged.
Same with Argentina and Brazil which also have vast untapped natural resources.
>>67031
>Brazil
kek
Yeah, we really went to shit after the military stopped protecting us from the evil commies. Fucking retard.
>>68544
Your economy is projected to shrink by 2-3% this year, when you could be growing at like 5%-7% with a competent government
Latin American countries will never escape the middle income trap and reach first world standard of living with leftist governments.
>>68544
HDI is a measure invented by the communist economist Amartya Sen to make propaganda for the state of Kerala, in India, when it was governed by the Communist Party. It's worthless for anything else.
If you want real measures of well-being, look at crime, or migration. No one except butthurt commies emigrated from Brazil before the 1980s, then, after "democracy", now everyone's dream is to become a dishwater in some McDonalds in New Jersey. How's that improvement?
>>68432
Let me tell you another secret, not everyone in Latin America is pro US
>people think the US government is omnipotent and can depose governments around the world without local support
yes actually
the "local support" is as local as coca cola
>>68635
>I dont like how this measure proves me wrong so im going to disregard it
>>68377
Dictatorships aka enhanced executive power are for transition governments.
It's a form of early republicanism and reaction of failed democracy.
It's literally institutional medicine, you stop use it once your cured.
You can interpret it as a US backed coup, or for what actually is. Republican defense systems. But it's not a government of the people and for the people, it's a goverment for itself.
It degenerates once the goal is accomplished, good dictators drop the seat faster others not.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Agust%C3%ADn_Lanusse
he was a cool guy
>>68597
>>68635
>muh GDP
>HDI doesn't matter
Whatever best suits your ideology.
The fact of the matter is that extreme misery has been all but eradicated in Brazil in the latest 20 years, and it's the first time since Vargas that we're not entirely someone else's bitch.
As for immigration, only the white high-middle class dreams of living in the US or Europe since they've literally read nothing all but a right wing propaganda pamphlet posing as a news magazine and believe first world countries are some kind of utopia.
>>57371
Venezuelan here.
You know nothing.
In the 1950s we were #4 in GDP per capita in the world. The 70s were a golden age where the high price of oil made us one of the best places in South America, which is why even though we were the #1 priority for a Cuban takeover nobody bought into commie bullshit at the time. Crime was insignificant, everyone I've spoken to from the time recalls not even locking their doors at night. Then of course in the late 80s and 90s things got too neoliberal, the economy collapsed, Chavez showed up promising to fix everything and presenting himself as a centralist military man, denying any connection to Marxism or the like. Then he did his thing, now we're a hellhole worse than most African countries. But do not say Venezuela was always miserable. We were the "Kuwait of South America", and once upon a time refugees from war torn Europe flocked to Venezuela.
>>68442
Argentina has the same GDP per capita as Chile. Yet one is called a "miracle" while the other is in "financial crisis".
I want this meme to end. Pinochet may have stopped a commie but he achieved no "miracle".
I don't like Friedmanite propaganda.
Call me when Chile becomes an IT and industrial exporter like South Korea and not some backwater that lives off copper prices.
Any good books on Pinochet?
>>68866
Which is why...
Development =/= Temporary wealth from resource extraction
>>69014
>>69049
He said good books, not communist propaganda.
>>69090
>>69049
>Unironically referencing Naomi Klein
>>68658
Why the fuck is supporting capitalism instead of your failed Marxist garbage always "sucking US dick" to you stupid commies? Capitalism=/= USA. The natural state of things is not centrally planned socialism that even Soviets, East Germans, or Chinese couldn't sustain because it's such a retarded system.
>>68597
>with leftist governments
Yeah, because the US instilling destabilization in those countries have nothing to do with that, right?
>>69373
I never said capitalism = US
however the people who made the coup againts allende were sucking US dick
>>68597
>Latin American countries will never escape the middle income trap and reach first world standard of living with ANY* government
fixed it for you
they just can't stop stealing, whether they go right or left
>>68442
>Latin America* could be one of the richest regions on Earth if it wasn't so chronically mismanaged
we're doomed and you gringos should stop looking up excuses where there aren't
>>56575
a donation for the thread
>>69622
GRACIAS MI GENERAL
>>69596
This is pretty much true. Im an Argie and I can tell you we (as in Latin America) just dont have strong enough values to succeed. It doesnt matter whether we go left or right, our people will always steal and try to fuck it up for everyone.
Argentina should be a fucking world superpower, we have one of the biggest territories in the world and so many resources its not even funny. But we have been so badly managed since Peron (so, forever basically) that we have never managed to achieve our full potential.
>>69772
>Argentina should be a fucking world superpower
>>69550
This. México has been shit for years, even when we have a Right government since always.
>>69793
Map related
>>57372
Why is dictatorship inherently bad?
There have been some succesfull dicators in this world, not many but some.
You might wanna watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
>>69787
We should. The problem in Latin America will always be the people. If Argentina was full of japs or americans it would be one of the best countries in the world. Our culture is fucking shit and people are too proud of being mediocre for it to ever change
If you know what's happening in Chile now, no he doesn't
>>69894
>If Argentina was full of japs or americans it would be one of the best countries in the world
Not him, but that's like saying "if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle". That's just a retarded argument.
>>69090
You know you're not going to find a book saying nice things about Augusto Pinochet, real world isn't /pol/
>>69880
>you might wanna watch an anime to get your references for real life
I'm not even from the "hurr animay is denegeracy!!" crowd but surely you see how retarded this line of thought?
Just to keep the discussion going, which dictators were successful?
>>69827
Ugh. I prefer "developed", "developing", and "undeveloped" for what you're referring to.
First World, Second World, and Third World shouldn't be used outside of their Cold War context.
>>68092
Even if he did go ''red terror'' mode he would still be considered a martyr thanks to how batshit and repressive pinochet was.
>>68377
>Dictatorship is a perfectly fine government technology
Except that Allende's dictatorship could have been 1000 times better.
>it's okay that Pinochet massacred people and set up a concentration camp network rivalring that of nazi germany because I agree with his economics
gb2 high school kids, it's possible to do market liberalisation without killing people, fuck look at Thatcher or Reagan. Your decision to fap over Pinochet is pure edge
>>68092
Hitler did a lot of shit and is still treated like a martyr in some circles. Your argument doesn't mean shit.
>>69942
How is it retarded?. I guess you could argue that no culture is better than another, and its just different. But I do not agree. You can compare what different cultures have done to different place.Japanese people made a great country out of a tiny island. Imagine what that culture couldve done with a place like Argentina.
Our people are taught that getting ahead of others is what matters, it doesnt matter if you hurt people along the way. We idolize cheaters and people who "beat the system". Its not stupid to think that a better culture wouldve made a better country out of this place
>>70100
agreed
>>69998
At the top of my head
António de Oliveira Salazar
Pinochet
The second to last Shah of Iran
Suharto
>>70151
La cultura no es estatica... Argentina era el 5to exportador mundial a principios del siglo pasado... y era el mismo pueblo... solo que sin peronistas
Si te gustan tanto los japoneses anda a vivir ahi...
>>69772
We've been undeveloped colonies for most of our eurocentric history, and most SA countries if not all had troubled transition processes from that to independent, constitutional States. And when we were barely getting the hang of it, we suddenly get decades of dictatorships. We simply never had enough political stability for any significant length of time, so our peoples never developed the necessary respect for institutions like democracy, constitution and the State of Rights.
Here in BR we've literally being trying to take down the president since the day she won the elections. You hear about impeachment in the media every day, despite there being no basis for doing it right now without blatantly trampling the constitution. Shit's getting hysterical, to the point of people associated with her government being harassed in at least one restaurant, one hospital and one funeral. People treat the whole affair as an ideological tug war, institutions be damned. It's really sad coming to terms with the fact you live in a literal Banana Republic.
>>70310
Just chill m8, the worst thing to happen next is a civil war, we are still fine.
>>70151
Because you are saying that Argentina without argentinians would be a good country, but a country is not only the geographical space, but also the inhabitants who live there. Argentina with other people is just another country, not Argentina. Like the Malvinas/Falklands issue, for example.
>>70266
>y era el mismo pueblo... solo que sin peronistas
O sea que no era el mismo pueblo...Peron cambio todo el paradigma del paÃs. Argentina post-Peron Es un pueblo completamente distinto.
>Si te gustan tanto los japoneses anda a vivir ahi...
Estas probando lo que dije de "estamos muy orgullosos de ser mediocres". No quiero vivir en Japon, quiero vivir en una Argentina mejor. Mirar afuera para aprender no esta mal.
>>70351
You took my argument too literally. I just meant the georgraphical space, obviously it would be a different country. But also a better one
>>70310
>despite there being no basis for doing it right now without blatantly trampling the constitution
Fucking retard. Crimes against economic integrity are a pretty good basis for impeachment. Go read the actual Constitution.
>>70411
Dijiste que querias llenar el pais de japoneses porque con la cultura argentina no sirve. El otro tambien entendio lo mismo que yo.
Si no te sabes expresar en ingles no es mi culpa... seguro que votaste a Cristina y ahora viene el panquecazo tipico de clase media tilinga argentina donde todo lo de afuera es bueno y lo de adentro es malo... ya lo vi con Menem esto... nos va mal porque somos extremistas, vamos de un extremo para el otro todo el tiempo
>>70586
>Crimes against economic integrity
Are you extrapolating the limits of Tatherrschaft again? Yes, of course you are. Go read a book on criminal law.
>>70891
>hurr hurr guise she dindu nuffin herself
I've been rused yet again. Fuck you and your german buzzwords.
>>71040
>I choose to remain willfully ignorant
sasuga senpai
>>69962
Unfortunately most intellectuals are communists, you have books saying nice things about Pol Pot, but not about Pinochet. That's how things are, but it doesn't make him wrong.
As a chilean:
1) The reason why Allende's economic policies ended up so badly is because of a SABOTAGE by the CIA. This is not a conspiracy, it is fact proven
2)Pinochet killed thousands of people for the sake of it. You could be walking down the street and get arrested and killed, for no fucking reason. Pinochet killed or sent to foreign countries our best artists, intellectuals, or scientists. Our country's culture DIED during the dictatorship.
3)Pinochet's economy was (and still is) a success only for the rich and the foreign companies. Inequality rose exponentially during Pinochet's government. Now, the average wage is around 600 usd and none of these people can get access to quality education or health
To sum up, Pinochet is the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. If you disagree, you're a retard
>>69622
Gracias, mi general
>>70020
3000 dead commies is not repressive.
Mengistu Haile Mariam was repressive, he was a dictator who killed 500.000 people. Francisco Macias Nguema was batshit, he killed 80.000 people in a country of 400.000. But you never heard of them, do you know why? Because they were communist dictators supported by Cuba and the Soviet Union, so Naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky never told you about their regime.
>>71208
>t. card-carrying communist party member
I'm sure the CIA sent plagues of locusts to destroy Chilean agricultural production and make them import wheat from the US.
>>71208
>it is fact proven
Provide source.
>>71273
what part of chile are you from mate? Yes, the CIA and the local right purposely blocked services and hid resources, they intentionally starved the people just because they didn't want a president with a different ideology
>>71208
>le ebul capitalist american speculant spy dogs
Considering how many communists betrayed their country for the USSR during the Cold War, would it be correct to say that any repression of communists by any government during the Cold War was deserved?
>>71422
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm
>>71198
>you have books saying nice things about Pol Pot
name one
>>71208
> Inequality rose exponentially during Pinochet's government.
fucking commies
obviously pinochet missed you
>>71477
That only says the US tried to engage in economic blockade against Chile, it doesn't say how it worked. There is no evidence that the collapse of the Chilean economy during the Allende government can be attributted to American actions.
http://pseudoerasmus.com/2015/05/21/the-invisible-blockade-against-allendes-chile/
>>71433
>implying he is wrong
>>71243
Regardless of the fact that the true number of people killed will never actually be known and there is likely the possibility it was much higher than 3000. Killing 3000 people is still unacceptable
Killing one person is unacceptable desu
>>71549
>preserving freedom and prosperity in a continent is a bad thing
you idiotic browns needed violence to teach you that socialism is wrong
>>71511
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial
>On May 3, 1977, Congressman Stephen Solarz led a hearing on Cambodia in the United States House of Representatives. The witnesses were Barron and three academics who specialized in Cambodia: David P. Chandler, who would become perhaps the most prominent American scholar of Cambodia, Peter Poole, and Gareth Porter. Chandler and Porter agreed that the tales of Khmer Rouge atrocities were much exaggerated.[10] Porter was the most outspoken of the academics. He had co-authored (with George Hildebrand) Cambodia: Starvation and Revolution, a highly positive book about the Khmer Rouge.
>>71549
>holomodor
>famine in China
>Cambodian genocide
All done by CIA! dogs!!
>>71558
Says the communist who praises the virtues of the revolution.
>>71537
>>71565
>"No fue asistencia económica el único apoyo que prestó la CIA a los huelguistas. Más de 100 miembros de los gremios profesionales y de patrones eran ex alumnos de la "Pequeña Escuela Anti-Rojos" dirigida por el American Institute for Free Labor Development de Front Royal, Virginia, el AIFLD. Este organismo, la principal organización laboral latinoamericana de la CIA, también ayudó a formar un nuevo gremio profesional en Chile, en mayo de 1971: la Confederación de Profesionales Chilenos. Los expertos laborales del AIFLD tenÃan más de 10 años de experiencia en el arte de fomentar disturbios económicos"
>>56575
It was brilliant and brutal. It is not for nothing that Chile was the only country that straightened in South America after a military dictatorship. All other dictators were sissies compared to him.
>>71617
>posts literally once
>gets called a communist
>>71549
>muh American support
Usually, it goes like this.
>"Hey, CIA, I will perform a coup d'etat tommorrow to depose this fucking communist President, are you ok with that?"
>"whatever man, just do whatever you want with those commies".
The CIA doesn't invent the local opposition to communism, it just doesn't hinder it's victory which would be inevitable anyway.
>>71629
Oh I forgot, you aren't chilean. The CIA trained people, american and chilean agents, to boycott the economy
>>71650
Yes, it is an extract of a book written by a guy who worked for the us government and lived in CHile during Allende's govenrment
>>71649
Don't respond to obvious memesters, maybe they'll leave in a few weeks.
>>71427
That's "exterminate the kulaks" and "great leap forward" tier of conspiracy retardation.
It's pointless to argue. History will repeat that at some point too.
>>71661
>The CIA doesn't invent the local opposition to communism
True.
>it just doesn't hinder it's victory which would be inevitable anyway
False.
>>69880
>hey, dictatorships are good!
>just watch this japanese cartoon!
hahahahaha holy fuck
end yourself
>>71776
Yeah, why would the American secret service do whatever it could get away it to undermine the development of potential threats right in their neighborhood? It makes no sense.
>>71874
>get away with*
>>71697
You mean this guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blum
>In 1972-73 Blum worked as a journalist in Chile where he reported on the Allende government's "socialist experiment".
It seens like he wasn't working with the CIA anymore by then, and even when he was, he was already a Soviet spy, I also found some comments from him praising even Stalin.
If you are going to take this source seriously, I'm also going to release the tinfoil and show some sources from KGB defector Vasily Mitrokhin on Allende.
http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000630.php
>Regular Soviet contact with Allende after his election was maintained not by the Soviet Ambassador but by his KGB case officer, Svyatoslav Kuznetsov, who was instructed by the centre to "exert a favourable influence on Chilean government policy". According to Allende's KGB file, he "was made to understand the necessity of reorganising Chile's army and intelligence services, and of setting up a relationship between Chile's and the USSR's intelligence services". Allende was said to react positively.
>>70310
>no basis for doing it right now without blatantly trampling the constitution.
Crime of Responsibility, Article 84, Federal Constitution.
The culpability is irrelevant. The intent is irrelevant. The crime of responsibility is by acts (generally speaking) performed in the exercise of the presidential term, that violate the Constitution.
The trial is political. And only political. Fernando Collor was acquitted judicially. That did not stop its process. So, go study, retard.
>>71874
The US supporting coups is nothing surprising. Some US organization being able to destroy agriculture at the production level in a far away land is another thing.
>>72170
It's not like you'd need to destroy anything, just bribing the right people into selling the right stuff in the right price to the right other people should be enough starve a frail agricultural developing economy, especially when a lot of the people you'd be bribing also want the coup anyway.
I'm not the Chilean anon though. just speaking hypothetically because it doesn't sound really that far-fetched.
>>71845
Look at the rapid decline of the west under "democracy"
you think thats good?
One party does something at great cost for years
Then the next election, a new party gets in, and ruins everything just for spite?
>>72075
>TCU
>relevant
kek
>"pedaladas fiscais"
>crime of responsability
maximum kek
Also take it to /pol/ or /int/ if you want to discuss that merit. The point was to illustrate how no one here gives a shit about institutions when it doesn't suit their agenda, like how this same "crime of responsibility" was committed both by Lula and FHC and no one gave a shit at the time but now it's politically convenient to make as much noise about it as possible. So whether you think it's actually basis for impeachment or not, it still illustrates my point.
What SA countries desperately needs is a few decades of political stability and proper develop of its national industry beyond primary level.
>this thread
i don't know what's worse, the shitposters from /pol/ or the unneducated americans who will never admit their scumbagness
>>73316
>Reinhard will never save us from the corrupting influence of democracy
If only moot was here
>>73329
Americans watched Narcos, a show where they suck "pinoishé"'s dick and now they believe they own us or some shit.
You will never get them to say anything except
>yeah man he was cool, he killed commies and made chile pro free market. He literally did nothing except that
>>73730
that sucks
>>74256
Not only is one random example a pretty weak case, but what does having a prettier neighborhood even has to do with HDI?
>>74256
What is that supposed to prove?
Hungary? That's pretty unimpressive friendo. I see no economic miracle at all.
>>74256
I don't get it, are you trying to prove that HDI ranking is meaningless?
>>56575
Reminder that the only thing Uncle Pinoccio did wrong was not killing all chileans.
>>74256
>more trees = they must have a better life!
>>71845
dictatorship CAN be (Are Not Necessarily) good.
Thats the message here.
But hey you're retarded
>>71208
You are probably a faggot canadian commie chilean like the shithead who got elected to the NDP in Alberta
>>75140
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
>>68035
You forgot that the Supreme Court AND the Senate basically ordered him to step down and he told them to fuck off
>>75178
Not American.
>>75212
well, you've been americanized....because you are dumb and stupid
