Sea Peoples were vikings done right.
>>552914
But who were they? Until that question is answered they are a meme culture.
>>552953
meme culture that rekt more shit than vikings aka ''I killed some farmers and now I'm running away from the soldiers who counter attacked I'm le berserkir xD''
>>552914
you mean Vikings were degenerated sea peoples
>>552953
We don't know and it is impossible to know.
They could have been other Afro-Asiatics, they could have been Indo-Europeans of any number of varieties, they could have been some isolate group, or hell, they could be a combination of all of the above as the Egyptians may have attributed numerous different incidents of sea based raiders to a single group.
Unless some long lost "Tablets of the Sea Peoples" are found in some Coptic monastery then we have absolutely no way of knowing.
>>552967
Hey man. Your grandfathers grandfathers grandfathers and so on was probably a viking rapebaby. Show some respect for your elders.
>>553037
the only vikings that visited my country were traders
>>553024
they were probably Greeks or Minoans who were displaced by the Dorian invasion.
>>553062
They could have been the Nuragic.
Or why not both.
Seamen?
>when you realized sea peoples were atlanteans
I recall hearing about a theory that the Sea People's could have been from the Black Sea region or even the Volga or Baltics. If so then perhaps they were Proto-Norse.
I remember hearing about Sea People in 4th period history, over a decade ago. I'd lay awake at night wondering who they were. Like most things, they faded from my memory. Now they are back, and I'll soon be awake in bed wondering about these people.
Sea People....
>>553062
>>553083
They were Egyptians who left Egypt after an economic crisis caused a massive downturn in the labor market. They went through Anatolia toward Greece, contempraneously with a wave of chaos that spread throughout the ancient world as Egypt and the Hittites fought wars for dominance in the near east.
Eventually they went back to Egypt, violently.
>>553118
>implying Atlantis wasn't Chad
>>553118
Well if Atlantis was indeed Sardinia like some suggested then it makes sense since some Sea Peoples could have connections with the island(the Sherden peoples).
So why was Egypt able to survive?
>>553042
>implying your impoverished women didn't leap on wealthy and strong Germanic dick ASAP
>>552967
>upset Catholipoor detected
>>553442
>populations comings from Europe (possibly Phrygians)
Wasn't Midas a Phrygian ? He only live one generation after Troy so I don't see how this map can be correct. Midas was not an invader he was part of a long line of kings .
>>553195
>labor market
Wut, Bronze Age Egypt was a brutal police state. There was no market.
>>553513
Weren't the Phonecians renowned traders? How can you have traders with no markets?
>>552914
>mfw island cultures typically evolve to be small cause they are top of the food chain for many generations
>>553427
>Atlantis was indeed Sardinia
What part of beyond the Pillars of Hercules don't you understand?
>>553537
I understand all of it, point is, according to some, pillars of Hercules might have meant something different back then, in particular it might have meant the strait of Sicily not the strait of Gibraltar.
It's speculation.
>>552914
Sea People were fish people from Atlantis, the only way the Egyptians were able to survive their attacks was with the help of their alien protectors, their gods, the fury of the gods led to the destruction of Atlantis and the end of the sea peoples last land base, they have since fled to the depths of the deepest oceans and have been rebuilding their strength until they can once again rise up and destroy the land-walkers.
>>553739
Sea People weren't related to Atlantis at all
>>553748
source?
>>553748
>>553739
You're both wrong. There IS a connection between Sea Peoples and Atlantis. The Sea Peoples were just scattered tribes that were given advanced steel and plasma weaponry by Atlantean envoys and manipulated into attacking the surface world (Atlantis had already fallen 9000 years prior, and only remnants existed in subterranean vaults.)
>>553762
how could Egypt had survived against that weaponry?
>>553791
The Egyptians were assisted by Greek mercenaries, which included a handful of demigods with superhuman strength and magical abilities (not the ones you're thinking of).
>>553762
Atlantis fell about 75000 years before our era
How could it fall again 9000 years prior the Sea People's invasion?
>>553830
One word
Time Cube
>>553830
Did Atlantis fall to the finish empire?
>>553442
They were the premier military power of the time, and it wasn't easy.
>>553855
No, Atlantis fell to the Martians.
The martians settled in Japan and Korea they fought with the Ancient Indians you can see that in Indian religion.
The survivors of Atlantis settled in Egypt, Ireland, Egypt and some travelled to India to pass their knowledge.
>>553852
Where do people learn about these types of things?
>>553880
Not from what I know, thy got conquered by the fucking Numidians for Christ's sake
>>553904
On the streets.
>>553195
It's pretty weird the Egyptians didn't recognize them as Egyptians then lmao. Also there's pretty much nothing Egyptian about them.
>>553944
top kek
Scythians were all worthless slaves tho
Just a bunch of Phoenician pirates
>>552914
>>553083
Does this Sardinian (Nuragic period) warrior remind you of one of the soldiers in OPs pic?
>>552914
that's some extreme fucking tan desu
>>552914
i can't tell which is more bronze, their equipment or their skin
>>554492
I find the Nuragic civilization fascinating.
>>553531
>never heard about insular gigantism
>>554520
Me too.
the Nuragic statues of monte prama were the first statues where the gradine chiesel was used I believe
>>552967
The scandinavian armies were the most advanced force in the world at the time, them being barbaric savages is a meme.
>>554492
Yes, there is some resemblance, plus new finds of Nuragic pottery in the eastern med make it seem even more likely, or the fact that the Nuragics were the first to cultivate melons in Europe and so probably got it from Egypt or the Levant somehow.
>>553910
>Not from what I know, thy got conquered by the fucking Numidians for Christ's sake
1) By Nubians
2) That happened way past the glory days of Ancient Egypt
The Ayygyptians managed to one off the Sea-Peoples in this massive battle in the Nile. It was a naval/land battle that beaten off a main migratory branch of the Seaniggers.
>>553855
Actually Finnish empire was founded by refugees from Atlantis.
>>554761
Another suspicious Nuragic bronze statuette
>>554772
>>554775
chariot
>>554777
>>554780
This one was buried with an Etruscan noble and has been classified as a Nuragic bronze ship, many Nuragic bronze statuettes and objects were found in Etrurian burial.
It's intreresting to note that some Greek authors stated that the island (Sardinia) was inhabited by Thyrrenians before the Punics came.
>>554786
A Villanovian/proto Etrurian depiction of a ship compared to a Nuragic bronze depicting a ship
>>554794
the production of bronze vote ships is typical of Nuragic Sardinia, more than 157 Nuragic votive ships have been found both in Sardinia and in mainland Italy
>>554805
WE WUZ ETRUSCANS?
>>554805
Nuragic fortress of Fanaris (medium-late bronze age)
>>552914
Gimme some info on the Philistines /his/ were they just Sea People the Egyptians settled in Caanan after the battle of the Nile?
>>552914
>Sea Peoples were vikings
Spengler actually suggested this.
>>555049
is there anything spengler was ever actually right about?
>>555059
>is there anything spengler was ever actually right about?
Western culture being separable from Arabian (Christian) and Roman-Greek culture.
>>555068
i think his idea that civilizations only have a life span of about a thousand years to be pretty unfounded.
if the magian civilization was formed in the early centuries of the common era, then it should have been over by the time of the crusades. but it still obviously exists in the islamic world today, and i don't remember him making any remarks about a successor civ. and that's to say nothing of china's ridiculously long reign.
Maybe /his/ should stick to importing memes. I don't think the domestic industry is developed enough to be competetive. In fact, for unknown reasons, I suspect that it may be fundamentally incapable of competing with meme powerhouses like /tv/ and /r9k/, despite what would seem to be an abundance of resources.
>>555077
>if the magian civilization was formed in the early centuries of the common era, then it should have been over by the time of the crusades
His idea doesn't have civilizations 'end'. Civilizations are the final form of a culture. civilizations can be removed by other emergent civilizations or can go on undisturbed for millennia. In other words, like all Spengler critics, you didn't read the book all the way.
I had your (mis)understanding of his ideas too.
To clarify:
>
One further obstacle to an understanding of my book is the rather
disconcerting title it bears. I was careful to emphasize that this title
was chosen years before publication, and that it objectively
describes a simple fact for which evidence can be found in the
most familiar events of world history. Still, there are people who
cannot hear the word "decline" without thinking of a sudden and
dreadful calamity. My title does not imply catastrophe. Perhaps we
could eliminate the "pessimism" without altering the real sense of
the title if we were to substitute for "decline" the word
"fulfillment," bearing in mind the special functions that Goethe
assigned to this concept in his own world view.
>>553042
>Viking
>Trader
I don't think Viking means what you think it means, anon.
>>553537
There is no consensus on the location of Atlantis, neither mythological not its real historical counterpart.
>>555266
Meant to post this pic.
>>555269
Care to explain the Sinai Atlantis theory?
>>555231
He's completely right. A Viking is any Scandinavian who went on a sea based voyage. The vast majority of these were traders. It's just historical records and modern fascination tend to fixate on the minority who were raiders.
Every bandit is a traveller, but not every traveler is a bandit.
>>555356
Here's a link to all of the theories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_hypotheses_of_Atlantis
In short, Sinai was inhabited by the first people in the region to grow food (approximately 12000-9000BC). Sinai was supposedly an island back then.
what if Sea Peoples were actually Deep Ones?
>>555231
I don't think YOU know what Viking means.
>>555098
Spengler sucks dick anyway. It's not for people wanting to read actual history but rather the metaphysics of a moron who pretended to be a historian of everything (even of science) despite having no qualifications.
Which is why he suggested all sorts of silly things, his main thesis aside (which was retarded too).
>>554758
> Calling vikings 'scandinavian armies'
> Saying vikings, a bunch of raiders from one of the poorest places in the world, are more advanced than the Eastern Roman Empire, Abbasid Caliphate, or even a decent portion of the HRE.
Neo-pagan Skyrim babbies pls go.
>>555777
Tell me about the Byzantines or Ayyrabs who crossed the world's biggest ocean.
>>555785
An Irish monk in a boat made of leather is also said to have crossed the Atlantic Ocean. Your point?
>>555785
tell me about the Byzantines and Ayyrabs who got rekt by stone age natives
oh wait it never happened they weren't complete faggots
>>555807
>implying norse traders and hunters living in greenland settlements for centuries were "vikings"
>>555785
They've never crossed the pacific ocean
>>555891
Oh shit, I didn't even notice he fucked up with the oceans.
>>555798
Lol I need a source for this.
>>555971
https://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/artsci/irishstudies/ics/saintbrendan.html
>mfw people graduate in Irish studies
>>555777
>555777
Everyone STFU, this man is almost double satan and most certainly right.
>>555777
Anon is stupid for suggesting that they were the most advanced in the world, but they were probably the most influential and powerful of their region, spanning Varangians and Normans, as well as all the Norse themselves.
>>555785
You had a good point up until you called the Atlantic the largest ocean.
>>555807
Well they also didn't cross the ocean desu senpai
>>555851
Vikings were tradesmen, mercenaries (look into the Jomsvikings, they're cool as fuck), and explorers, they were not the professional warriors of any Jarls or Kings.
>>556878
Jomsvikings didn't exist you fucking dolt but yes viking mercenaries were a thing.
>>556886
>The Jomsvikings were a semi-legendary order of Viking mercenaries or brigands of the 10th century and 11th century. They were staunchly Pagan and dedicated to the worship of such deities as Odin and Thor. They reputedly would fight for any lord able to pay their substantial fees and occasionally fought alongside Christian rulers. Although they were Pagan, the institutions of the Jomsvikings in some ways anticipated those of the Christian Knightly Orders of the later Middle Ages. [1]
>semi-legendary
>>556878
>Vikings were tradesmen, mercenaries (look into the Jomsvikings, they're cool as fuck), and explorers, they were not the professional warriors of any Jarls or Kings.
fair enough but that anon was clearly trying to imply that the battle-thirsty vikings of legend were the ones who got rekt by the inuit, instead of, you know, random trade towns
>>556906
Which is silly, because they weren't rekt by the Inuit. There were killings and reprisals because they were treeniggers, but it's mostly because Markland had timber and the like. Trade was shitty because they were treeniggers. There's a reason the best Vikings embedded themselves in the Rus and Franks/Romano-Gauls. Shekels.
>>556902
aka bullshit there was also a semi-legendary king who supposedly lived for a thousand years
a little bit unrealistic don't you think?
>>556924
Oh, and by treeniggers I mean the Native Americans as how The Revenant describes them (I laughed aloud in the theatre along with friends and realized that's pretty bad). I'm not referring to the Norse as treeniggers.
>>556926
Because some mercenaries can't mercenary? Your not seriously suggesting they didn't exist and that their feats weren't for the most part normal things to do?
>>556940
I said viking mercenaries were a thing you fucking dolt hell that's what Varangian Guard was at first but Jomsvikings is a myth
why is it that all norse heroes turn out to only be legendary anyway? Were they so shit they had no actual people worthy of recognition?
>>556955
>Viking mercenaries or brigands of the 10th century and 11th century. They were staunchly Pagan and dedicated to the worship of such deities as Odin and Thor. They reputedly would fight for any lord able to pay their substantial fees and occasionally fought alongside Christian rulers.
This is fake and impossible?
>>556955
You don't understand what semi-legendary means. It means real, but embellished. The fantastical things were fake, the realistic ones were probably real.
>>556964
>propably
convincing argument m8
>>556960
and no one actually heard about those famous warriors outside of sagas because?...
>>557029
Because they didn't operate outside of Norse lands?
>>557097
mercenaries that didn't even work for foreigners? lmao seems legit
>>557115
Because when a Christian king hired them, they were just Viking mercenaries. You're nitpicking this thing to death.
>>557128
which christian king?
>>555785
>Implying they wouldn't have been completely able to do so if they so desired
>>557199
Read for yourself
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jomsvikings#
>>557208
But they didn't
Who the fuck even were these people
Last time I tried to look after watching a documentary I could only find Wikipedia.
Any thoughts on where they came from? They really interested me but couldnt find any information.
>>557563
>>557566
These 3 are Mycenaean
>>555750
>Which is why he suggested all sorts of silly things,
He didn't suggest many silly things. He usually just did what you said - apply some kidn of theory to history.
Did you read Decline?
>>557570
>all these bronze weapons
>despite the fact their success came from the changes brought upon by the introduction of iron
>>557585
Iron is typically inferior to bronze as a toolmaking material, so as an engineering student with 2 semesters left until graduation that claim seems dubious.
>>557591
>Iron is typically inferior to bronze as a toolmaking material
>inb4 but iron is harder
It definitely is, that's the problem its brittle and has no give, no elasticity. It breaks where bronze would deform and bend. Steel on the other hand, that's a whole different animal.
>>557606
I think they were Sardinians or Dorian. Rest of the theories are...
>>557618
>>557621
>>557591
>>557609
You're right, bronze had several advantages over Iron. Iron requires a skilled smith to reforge the blade/handle/piece which would be frequently needed due to its brittle nature. Meanwhile a bent bronze instrument can be melted down and recast very easily with minimal expertise. Iron is honestly not a good toolmaking material at all and tended to only be used when bronze was either too expensive or too rare. It's why it was used over Iron well into the Iron age when a cheaper alternative to steel was needed.
>>557638
I think they are from Mycenaean graves
>>557638
Dendra Panoply senpai
>>557621
>>557671
That's neat but it seems artists have gotten a bit stuck on that design.
>>557682
It's just really unique to the Myceneans and serves as a sort of call sign kind of like the Egyptians and the ankh
>>557682
The boar tusk helmet also is an example even though it was only worn by accomplished hunters
>>554794
Where do you find pictures of archaeological artifacts like this?
>>554813
i wish i could have seen some of their fortress/cities
>>557911
IMO the most underated bronze age civilization
>>557911
>>557982
as would most historical settlements worldwide...
>>557982
around the "castles" you would probably have a bunch of storage
also those arial photos are deciving
its pretty big
and >>557989
>>557911
>>557913
>>557915
>>558034
I'm glad you're interested:
A nice video showing the Santu Antine Nuraghe that you posted here
>>557913
(1600 bc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zajFbLyklRY
>>557911
one about Barumini Nuraghe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUxUbqEgFDU
Nuraghe Arrubiu (pic related), tallest stone building in bronze age Europe 1450 bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGecRMJwfig
Water well temple of Santa Cristina (1100-1000 bc):
The Nuraghic well of Santa Cristina, Sardinia has been regarded as a ritual monument built to receive moonlight on its watermirror at the time of the meridian passage of the moon when it reaches its highest point in the sky during and around the majornorthern lunistice. In this paper we investigate the precision that could have been achieved and conclude that the well couldindeed have served as an instrument for measuring the lunar declination during half of the draconic cycle of 18.61 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXvt-8jdF8
http://www.academia.edu/2336031/The_nuragic_well_of_Santa_Cristina_Paulilatino_Oristano_Sardinia._A_verification_of_the_astronomical_hypothesis
>>555077
China has seen the rise and fall of many civilisations.
>>557216
>>557211
>>557199
I read some time ago an article in Populär Historia that was about the jomsm vikings, (now i dont remember evrything and i may get some stuff wrong) but they have found a ruin that may have been their hq, it lookt like their hq that they described in the sagas and is in Germany and close to Denmark if i dont remember wrong, and it exist historical record of batlles where the jomsviking joind one of them is Slaget vid Fyrisvallarna where they got killed in Uppsala by the King of "sweden" Segersälle, and they have claimed to be in a bunch of more battles (supries they lost like 90% of them all)
>>552953
>But who were they
Most probably the last wave of atlantians who escaped the flood
>>558441
how do they differ in the spenglerian sense?
>>552967
> Implying the language you speak in right now isn't just a degeneration of the language they spoke.
>>559108
more like an enhancement
WE WUZ PIRATES
>>559116
my point still stands, desu
They were not a single group, rather a bunch of migrating raiders that ranged from Sardinians to Minoans and even northern Anatolian tribes.
>>559130
i agree but can you imagine if we kept the combining adjectives with nouns thing? justabsolutelyridiculous
>>556886
>Jomsvikings didn't exist
What next? That Thorkell the Tall never existed? Or that Harald Bluetooth was never in Wolin?
>>555777
you mean the eastern romans who paid vikings to protect their capital?
>>559845
Literally who?
>>559879
What the fuck are you doing on /his/ when you don't even know any famous historical figures you retarded faggot
>>555785
The fuck does this have to do with military power?
Sea Peoples movie when?
>>558169
distribution of oxhide ingots during the late bronze age
>>559875
The Varangians were fierce and loyal but got wrecked when the Kievan Rus tried attacking the Roman fleet equipped with Greek fire. And the Varangians mainly consisted of Englishmen during it's existance.
