How much did ancient people know about the people who came before them? How far back into history were they aware of?
Oral tradition gets you far
>>538244
I would say not at all. The Celts, Latins, Germans, Slavs and Hellens seemed to have no clue that they were only a couple hundred years away from being the same group of people that spread across europe.
Even later on when the Romans realized how similar their religion was to the greeks and other groups they only ever thought it was because the pantheon was real and they had different names for them
>>538244
The ancient humans had a cyclical model of history. This is evident in the texts of virtually every ancient, civilized race.
The Hindus traced man’s descent across four ages or yugas, from the age of Truth (Satya Yuga) to the Dark Age (Kali Yuga), with the series comprising a single Great Age (Mahayuga).
The Hellenic Hesiod, in his Works and Days, described the procession from a Golden Age to Silver, Bronze, and Iron Ages, which corresponds to the Persian rendition of the cycles. The Old Testament reveals that the Semitic peoples also shared this cyclical understanding. In a dream experienced by the Chaldean king Nebuchadnezzar, there stood a statue with a head made of gold, a chest and arms of silver, thighs of bronze, and legs and feet made of iron and clay, all of which eventually crumbled upon being struck by a stone.
The ancients also agreed that with each successive age, man becomes more and more distant from a primordial state of perfection. In the Golden Age, man lived in harmony with divine beings and according to absolute, transcendent principles that brought happiness, wholeness, and near immortality to individuals while it brought order and prosperity to collective life. With the ushering in of the Silver Age came a fall from this state of grace and the establishment of an imperfect existence, where those old principles were abandoned, the gods lost much of their divine nature, and man took a step away from cosmic harmony toward chaos. For the purposes of this essay, we shall elaborate on the Golden and Silver Ages, for it was in these prehistoric periods that humanity underwent processes that bestowed our multitude of contemporary mental and physical forms upon us.
>>538314
The Golden Age was a period of perfection on all levels. Human life was directly guided by the gods themselves and therefore orderly, plentiful, and enjoyable. Though the Golden Age was long ago and its location long since lost, its memory is kept alive by the mythical traditions of nearly every people on the planet. Hesiod, writing in the eighth century B.C., describes this “Age of Gold” thusly:
Men spent a Life like Gods in Saturn’s Reign,
Nor felt their Mind a Care, nor Body Pain;
Hesiod is one of few writers to directly mention the Golden Age and describe its qualities. Using his work as a reference point, however, the scholar can detect allusions to the same period in other ancient texts. For example, in Book 6 of the Mahabharata, the author discusses Mount Meru, “made of gold,” where the “measure of human life is 10,000 years” and “men are all of a golden complexion . . . [and] without sickness, without sorrow, and always cheerful.”[3] Outside the Aryan tradition, the Book of Lieh-Tzu (fourth century B.C.) describes what appear to be the inhabitants of the Golden Age:
Finally, we have in the Semitic memory the Garden of Eden, where man was first established on Earth at God’s decree. According to the Book of Genesis, those who dwelled there lived for nearly 1000 years in a blissful paradise.[5] The allusions to this pristine setting are numerous, from the Avestic recollection of a distant period in the Airyana Vaego, where man was under the aegis of the creator god Ahura Mazda himself, to the Buddhist remembrance of Shambhala, roughly translated “land of peace” or “tranquility.”
>>538319
In his book Arctic Home in the Vedas, the Hindu nationalist and scholar Bal Gangadhar Tilak, writing in the early twentieth century, presents a vast array of clues from Vedic and Avestic literature to argue that the primordial paradise was located in the Arctic. Tilak explains that if one were stationed at the North Pole, the sky above would appear to be rotating around one “from left to right, somewhat like the motion of a hat or umbrella turned over one’s head.”[7] He also explains that one would see the sun continuously in the sky for roughly six months, followed by a period of dusk, night, and dawn of two months each. Thus for the Arctic inhabitant, a full year would appear to unfold as a single day.
With these astral phenomena in mind, Tilak proceeds to pinpoint allusions to them in the Aryan texts. For example, in the Mahabharata, Mount Meru is discussed in one passage as a place where the “sun and the moon go round from left to right every day and so do all the stars” and “The day and the night are together equal to a year to the residents of the place.”[8] He supports this with a selection from the post-Vedic Laws of Manu, which says “A year (human) is a day and a night of the Gods; thus are the two divided, the northern passage of the sun is the day and the southern the night.”[9] Tilak corroborates this evidence with clues from Persian tradition. From the Avesta we have reference to an “enclosure” in the Airyana Vaejo in which “the stars, the moon, and the sun are only once (a year) seen to rise and set, and a year seems only as a day.”
>>538324
In his magnum opus, Revolt Against the Modern World, Julius Evola argues that the Earth’s axis shifted positions slightly, ushering in a cataclysmic climate change.[15] As a result, the Polar Regions became inhospitable to most life forms. In ancient texts one finds numerous references to this tilting of the axis. The Taoist tradition recalls when the “pillar which connects Heaven and earth” was “snapped" explaining “why Heaven dips downwards to the north-west, so that sun, moon and stars travel towards that quarter.”[16] The Hebrew story of the crumbling of the Tower of Babel, which connected Heaven to Earth, is another example. The Avesta explains the onset of the climate change in a dialog between the creator god and his disciple, king Yima: “And Ahura Mazda spake unto Yima, saying: ‘O fair Yima, son of Vîvanghat! Upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall, that shall bring the fierce, foul frost; upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall, that shall make snow-flakes fall thick.”[17] As this event would have occurred tens of thousands of years ago, it likely coincides with the beginning of one of the various Ice Ages.
One more event, metaphysical in nature, is explained to us by the Old Testament. It tells of how the “sons of God” mated with the “daughters of man” and spawned a race of mighty giants, whose evil behavior, driven by the appetites of the flesh, made God unleash elemental forces against them.[18] These sons are likely parallels to the “celestial gods” who dwelled in Airyana Vaego, as well as the other gods and demigods that the ancient texts say lived in this primordial paradise. From the clues above, we can paint the following picture regarding the end of the Golden Age. Human beings lived harmoniously with divine beings in the Arctic paradise until the two entered sexual unions that produced powerful, semi-divine half-breeds.
>>538330
>bigfoot
>aliens
>sun years
finally a post that makes sense.
>>538330
moar? or sauce? this is pretty interesting.
I just did some research after posting this thread, it appears that a lot of ancient civilization saw more primitive days as better times and civilized days as worse. A lot of ancient religions have these ages, the most primitive and oldest ages being the best while the later more civilized ages being worse.
The post at the top of this thread i`m linking explains it pretty well. (i know its on le leddit but it's the only place i could find discussing this topic)
https://www.reddit.com/comments/q7i6o/were_ancient_people_such_as_ancient_greeks_romans/
>>538375
Also this backs up the theory that hunter gatherers lived a pretty good life.
>>538330
The Atlantean Silver Age
Hesiod’s poem continues with a discussion of a second age, “which the Celestials call the Silver years.”[24] In this period, man became subject to sickness and mortality. He no longer lived according to the absolute principles provided by his divine tutors during the Golden Age, and paid the gods themselves “no honors.”[25]
It is with the dawning of this era that the Arctic inhabitants, now a race mixed with divine and human elements, traveled as refugees from their destroyed Urheimat to a southern location somewhere in the Atlantic. There they founded the famed city of Atlantis in mimicry of their original homeland. After establishing themselves, they embarked on a colonizing campaign across the world, passing the “Pillars of Hercules” (the Straits of Gibraltar) and reaching deep into the Mediterranean Sea. There they established their hegemony, holding “sway . . . over the country within the Pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia.”[26] It is reasonable to assume that they also sent voyagers to the Americas, as Atlantis would have lain between them and Europe.
As this new civilization was built before recorded history, it is difficult to ascertain its precise chronology. Plato asserts that Atlantis crumbled 9000 years before his own time, while Guénon, relying once again on Vedic mathematics, says this occurred several thousand years earlier. This would, therefore, place its origins even further back. Regardless, our concern is the racial state of those dwelling within Atlantis.
The Boreal race inhabiting the Arctic was probably quite Nordic in appearance. When they mixed with the gods, however, they spawned “men of monstrous size” according to Hesiod, paralleling the Nephilim of the book of Genesis. Given that modern Nordics are some of the tallest humans, and that they themselves are merely degenerated descendants of something greater, the mythological testimony seems plausible.
>>538388
Thus, the Atlanteans sired from the union of gods and men were likely much taller than today’s tallest people and probably more muscular; they would have been frightfully imposing giants. Further credence is given to this idea by the fact that in Numbers, the Hebrews refer to the Anakim as “Nephilim” due to their immense stature, which made the Hebrews feel like “grasshoppers.”
These giants were not the norm, however. Plato speaks of them becoming “diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture,” suggesting that unmixed Boreal humans also lived within Atlantean borders. This was also the cause of Atlantis’s inevitable downfall, much like that of Hyperborea. After several generations of unchecked miscegenation with their human subjects, the Atlantean giants forfeited their angelic constitution and “grew visibly debased, for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts.”[27] When this happened, the cosmic balance was once again disrupted. Evidence from the myths, sometimes suggestive and other times affirmative, leads us to believe that a massive earthquake occurred, causing Atlantis, the seat of the Silver Age, to sink beneath the Atlantic. The Mesopotamian story of the deluge that submerged the first cult-centers, linked to the Biblical flood that Noah overcame, is an example.[28]
With the Atlantean admixture with humans came a race almost entirely sapped of divinity. They were the direct ancestors of modern Northern Europeans (proto-Nordics), retaining the fair complexion and keen intellect but losing their titanic build and strength. Forced to flee their sinking kingdom, these people migrated in an East-West trajectory, bringing significant numbers into the Americas and Europe.
>>538391
There is some physical and genetic evidence to substantiate this claim.
Firstly, there is the link between the 18,000 year old Solutrean weapon culture of France and the 13,500 year old American weapon culture of Clovis, New Mexico. Archaeologists Bruce Bradley and Dennis Stanford concluded in 2004 that there was a striking similarity between the manufacturing methods of each culture, particularly because they both used a very difficult and rare technique called overshot flaking.[29] They also noted that a weapon culture discovered in Virginia, dating to 16,000 years ago, appeared to be a “technological midpoint between the French Solutrean style and the Clovis points.”[30]
Our second piece of evidence is genetic. Scientists have found that among the genes of Native American populations, the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of haplogroups A through D, which are common in Asia, predominates. However, it has been found that a significant number of Native Americans in the Eastern United States possess mtDNA from haplogroup X, which is only also found in Western European populations and in some parts of Mongolia. One might argue that the presence of this mtDNA in Mongolia debunks the argument that Whites settled North America first, but this simply is not so when combined with all the other evidence provided here. Significantly, the mtDNA of pre-Columbian Native American skeletons has been studied, revealing that X was present in that race’s genes before the conquistadores arrived.[31]
Thirdly, we have the controversial Kennewick Man corpse. This 9300 year old skeleton, unearthed in Washington State in 1996, was discovered by anthropologist James Chatters to be of Caucasoid origin. In a clay reconstruction the face even ended up resembling that of British actor, Patrick Stewart.
>>538375
>>538382
Ancient people had nostalgia for ancient times like we did but they didnt associate past ages with primitiveness like we do.
They thought they were ages where the gods ruled the earth and super humans lived. It has nothing to do with them preferring to be hunter gatherers which we have seen from archaeological research on ancient Europeans and native Americans has been romanticized and was an exceeding harsh lifestyle
>>538424
then add something to it instead of dismissing everything offhand and covering your ears to things you don't like
>psssh nothin personal kid
I know that the Ottomans were only aware of their history up until The seljuks, any history before that they didnt know.
>>538300
The British were in Britain from at least 2000 BC.
>>538375
That's definitely it.
Virgil's Aeneid is obsessed with the rustic, past of Italy being disturbed by the newcomers from Troy. It's an idyllic land of Saturn (the predecessor ruler god before Zeus) where everyone lives peaceful lives. When Aeneas' ships move up the Tiber a bunch of river nymphs and gods and shit are attracted by the ruckuss and Virgil stresses that they have never seen ships before. Civilisation is both seen as a positive factor (the future of Rome and its glory) and a negative one (wars, the end of an era and a decline in morals as time goes on) befitting his origins in rustic Italy. Romans were obsessed with seeing everything in terms of a moral decline, something which found its way into Gibbon's Decline and Fall. Despite the Late Republic being a time of decadence and relative chaos, the writers of the Empire looked back with rose tinted goggles.
4chan is closer to the ancients in many ways than a lot of internet communities, while somewhat libertarian the relative conservative values of many people in our userbase means that often people look back thinking "wow things were so much better 5 years, fucking newfags". People have thought it for millenia.
>>538424
>This is a board for SERIOUS discussion of history
Circle jerking faggots, the mods delete anything that doesn't go with the highly biased narrative here.
Serious, kek, this board is a joke.
>>538441
Irrelevant to this thread's topic. Neither Seljuks nor Ottomans were "ancient".
>>538353
Only a giant fucking nerd would read through all that shit
>>538244
Early Imperial China can trace their history up until the Shang Dynasty, which was around 1600 BC.
Before that, its only known by the mythic name of "Xia Dynasty" and beyond that an era called "Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors Period" which is by then mostly myth. It's most likely that said Emperors were tribal chieftains and the Xia/3 sovereigns period were prehistoric societies.
The Chinese do remember what their name prior adopting Zhongguo/Han appellation, namely the "Hua" Tribes that fucked around in the two great river basins. Hence that word in tin many Chinese brands & products (i.e. Huawei).
>>538424
It's cute how you think that relating the contents of a poem is the same as asserting it as fact. Do you do this in literature class too?
>>538486
We can say the same thing about Greece, Rome, Byzantium, and the Holy Roman Empire.
>>538472
Well polish my pocket protector and call me Urkel because I thought it wasn't half bad, and I don't usually have patience for posts that long.
>>538244
When some Egyptian pharaos dug out Sphinx from the sands he renovated it to preserve it for next generations.
He had no idea who the creators were.
After Mayan culture collapsed, Mayans forgot who built the(now) ruins. Jesuits asked them over and over and they didn't know the answer.
However when it comes to everything that came after Alexander(and in some cases - a while before him), at least in western world was generally well-preserved, that is we preserved the knowledge about it and unless newcomers to Europe will go full Taliban/ISIS, we will likely keep that knowledge until the end of the world.
>>538392
>Kennewick Man
>In June 2015, scientists at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark determined through DNA from 8,500‑year-old bones that the Kennewick Man is in fact related to contemporary Native Americans, including those from the region where his bones were found.[9] The international team of scientists had confirmed this finding to the Army Corps of Engineers as far back as 2013.[9] Chatters, the discoverer of the bones, had long changed his mind after finding similar skull shapes among confirmed ancestors of Native Americans.[9] The results did not surprise scientists who study the genetics of ancient people, as almost all Paleoamericans "have shown strong genetic ties with modern Native Americans".[9] Analysis showed that the Kennewick Man is “very closely related to the Colville" tribe in northeast Washington.[10] The results were published in Nature magazine.[11]
>>538382
>times before facilities, medicine and food industry
>better than any other times
>>538542
Not related, but a recent study shows that australian aboriginal-like people reached America before the mongoloid "native" american people.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v525/n7567/abs/nature14895.html
>>538639
I'm aware of the study, but it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Kennewick Man would have been Indian, not white or 'Caucasoid'.
>>538646
Right, which is why the first two words of my post were "not related", as in "what follows is not related to what is being discussed ITT but I thought it was interesting enough information to share".
Not really at all no. Some had vague memories of coming from (given direction) but that's about as good as it got.
Most people assumed the Gods created them where they are now. And they weren't entirely wrong.
>>538472
Shut the fuck up, go back to /int/ if you want epic country memes.
>>538300
Except they didn't.
Celts, Latins etc descend mostly from theneolithic European farmersand the Yamnaya DNA was a minority for the Southern Europeans, including the French celts and celtiberians and of course for the Latins and Hellens.
>>538375
Earlier days, not more primitive days.
Given your interest in this thread, I think you would really enjoy reading the Epic of Gilgamesh - the oldest surviving "complete" story. In it, the Uruk city life is highly praised, and a more primitive lifestyle is met with the same disdain as we encounter today. However, the same Sumer people that wrote this epic also have stories of great kings from an antediluvian time, and I think this time period is also praised for being a highpoint in human history (from their point of view).
>>538729
Don't forget the ice age hunters
>>538639
>abstract explicitly states this genetic signature is not found in later native remains and is not found at all in present-day natives
>contradict themselves by saying "this means multiple founding populations for modern Amerinds" while clearly these people were not one of the founding populations for modern Amerinds
Jesus, how do they get published with such babby-tier fuckups like that
>>538747
Related: the Sumerians believed their ancestors migrated to Mesopotamia from the North.
Kind of interesting when you add in the fact that the Semitic flood myth was originally a Sumerian import - perhaps the pre-proto-Sumerians were living around the Black Sea and fled South when their land literally disappeared
>>538540
On a stela between the Sphinx's paws:
>Now a great magical power had existed in this place from the beginning of all time and extended over all the region... And at this time, the sphinx-form of the mighty god Khepera came to this place and the greatest of souls, the holiest of the holy ones, rested therein...
>Behold me, O my son Thothmes (the king)... the sand whereon I have my being hath enveloped me in on all my sides; say unto me that thou wilt do for me all that I desire.
The older Egyptologist Gaston Maspero says that there is an inscription of another name, Khephren, on this same stela, and that this might allude to a previous prince having excavated the Sphinx prior to Thothmes, who had first done it in 1425 BC.
>>538879
You misread...
>>538928
open the link and read the abstract, it's in there
I suspect they wanted a shocking title, so they say "founding population" to catch attention - before saying in the actual article, "well, not really"
>>538938
Do you suffer from mental retardation?
>Here we analyse genome-wide data to show that some Amazonian Native Americans descend partly from a Native American founding population that carried ancestry more closely related to indigenous Australians, New Guineans and Andaman Islanders than to any present-day Eurasians or Native Americans.
>Here we analyse genome-wide data to show that some Amazonian Native Americans descend partly from a Native American founding population that carried ancestry more closely related to indigenous Australians, New Guineans and Andaman Islanders than to any present-day Eurasians or Native Americans.
>Here we analyse genome-wide data to show that some Amazonian Native Americans descend partly from a Native American founding population that carried ancestry more closely related to indigenous Australians, New Guineans and Andaman Islanders than to any present-day Eurasians or Native Americans.
Fun fact: the Egyptians asserted that their history runs over 36,000 years before their first known king, Menes. A lot of this seems to be fantastical, but the Egyptians did assert that mortal kings ruled Egypt for 10 millennia (the remainder was ruled by gods before then).
Herodotos, from whom we draw a lot of Egyptian history, also added these words of Egyptian chroniclers:
>They also said that during this long succession of centuries, on four separate occasions, the sun moved from his wonted course, twice rising where he now sets, and twice setting where he now rises.
Some attribute this to fable, but others attribute it to the precession of the zodiac, which would more or less testify to the Egyptians' proclamations about their prehistory.
Of course, it's really hard to fathom that history would truly go that far back. I don't know how accurate these statements are but I think they potentially have some credibility, especially considering that we keep unearthing monuments which predate those previously known to be oldest.
>>539806
Not only did the Egyptians have a fair bit of records when it came to the lineage of their kings, but the apparel of those kings was almost always an emulation of the first kings from cities in the lower Nile. The sort of fashion we largely associate with Pharaohs and other depictions throughout Egypt's pre-Roman history was all attempting to look more like the people prior to the kingdom being united: a people they believed lived in some manner of golden age.
>>538330
>From the clues above, we can paint the following picture regarding the end of the Golden Age. Human beings lived harmoniously with divine beings in the Arctic paradise until the two entered sexual unions that produced powerful, semi-divine half-breeds.
well when you put it that way
>>538550
>food industry
Which period of settled societies are you comparing hunter-gatherers with in your shrektext?
>Secondly, while the evidence for the 'progressivist' point of view seems overwhelming, it's surprisingly hard to prove. Studies of the few remaining hunter gatherer societies show these people work less hard than their farming neighbours, and enjoy a much healthier and more varied diet.
>When asked why he hadn't adopted agriculture, one Kalahari Bushman quoted by Jared Diamond replied, "why should I, when there are so many mongongo nuts in the world?"
>The evidence from archaeology supports the idea that hunter gatherer societies were surprisingly healthy. Skeletons from Greece and Turkey show that average height at the end of the last ice age was around 5'9". With the adoption of agriculture the figure crashed, and by 3000 BC had reached a low of 5'3".
>Similar comparative studies of tooth decay, and from the scars left on bones by diseases like tuberculosis, point to a similar conclusion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/today/tomfeilden/2009/05/do_huntergatherers_have_it_rig.html
>>538244
I've always found the Roman relationship with ancient China to be fascinating. Two massive powers that knew of each other and wanted relations but constantly got cockblocked by the smaller trade empires around them.
>>538324
Oh, so they are using pic related to search for Eden and that's why it has been spammed on 4chan.
>>538299
>Oral tradition gets you far
Which pretty much amounted to "those guys over-there are assholes"
Bumping with a question regarding our own understanding. Is it true that our depictions of Rome are all based off of the Rome rebuilt by Nero post great fire and that we have little understanding of what it looked like before that?
Little understanding of the subject so I'm curious if that's just bunk. I ask because it always seems silly when people find out that the Romans painted their busts and that the popular plaster white variations are largely examples of the unfinished or damaged variety.
>>538353
>this is what /his/ should be about
What? /x/ thinly veiled as history? Yeah no thanks.
>ctrl-f
>Spengler
>0 results
mediocre
>yfw Atlantis was Chad
>>538319
what is this golden age you refer to? do you know any book that contains a wealth of information concerning it? this golden age sounds interesting.
>>538244
One of Babylonian king initiated the first archaeological excavation and Sumerian king list goes back several centuries (well thousands years, but hundreds years ruling kings aren´t very probable). Also I heard about some Native American tribe with legend based on volcanic eruption which happened several thousands years ago and actually is the oldest remembered event (but I wasn´t able to google it).
>>538452
>wow things were so much better 5 years, fucking newfags
kek, perfectly said. Golden age is just exaggerating of meme everything was better in past, now live sucks.
They had myths which told a story and it's suprisingly accurate. For example, Polyphemus was said to be the father of three distinct peoples. Haplogroup testing confirms that the people in the areas today where the ancient peoples resided do in fact share the same y-DNA haplogroup.
>>538897
>Kind of interesting when you add in the fact that the Semitic flood myth was originally a Sumerian import
Why won't this meme die?
>>541283
>actually is the oldest remembered event
You sure?
>Recent studies show that Aboriginal traditions accurately record sea level changes over the past 10,000 years.
Other studies suggest the volcanic eruptions that formed the Eacham, Euramo and Barrine crater lakes in northern Queensland more than 10,000 years ago are recorded in oral tradition.
>>538388
Has anyone else noticed that everytime the gods interact with humans it is always on mountains?
Could it be that these weird beings came to Earth and centered themselves on mountains for some reason? Or could it be that we all have the same myth, with Noah ending up on Mt Ararat and being given a sign by God?
>>541353
You should have noticed that every time the gods interact with humans, it's always when said human goes away from the rest of the group to somewhere they can't easily follow.
Because Abrahamic religion comes from the desert, this means wandering the desert. In rainforests, it means going out into the jungle by yourself for a while. In the Arctic Circle, it means going onto the ice by yourself for a while.
Secret underground locations and mountains are the most common, since they're found everywhere.
>>538392
>implying
Now explain the time gap between Solutreans and Clovis. Yes anon, the Solutreans floated on ice for almost five millenia :^) And that's why after eventually reaching the Americas, they suddenly lost the maritime connection and became terrestrial big-game hunters :^) The tools are the result of convergence (the source for that Virginia culture would be appreciated, from all I have ever read Monte Verde is the oldest confirmed site).
Also the haplogroup X probably comes from somewhere around the Lake Baikal, where the Malt'a-Buret' culture lived. The haplogroup expanded both west and east, reaching, respectively, Europe and the Americas.
>>538375
>I just did some research after posting this thread, it appears that a lot of ancient civilization saw more primitive days as better times and civilized days as worse. A lot of ancient religions have these ages, the most primitive and oldest ages being the best while the later more civilized ages being worse.
nothings changed then
>>541368
A third possibility is that oxygen deprivation at high altitudes can cause hallucinations
>>541963
>le epik religion comes from hallucinations meme XD
>>541963
Or the consumption of happy mushrooms was unregulated as fuck
>>538244
Magyar prehistory stretches back two to three millennia before their arrival into Hungary. They knew about two prior Heimaten.
>>541269
>there are people on /his/ right now who didnt read Ovidius
>>541974
Good to see a new tripfag shitposting.
>>541963
>>542004
Maximum Fedora'd
>>542219
Hey I saw that meme on Reddit too!
>>538486
>which is by then mostly myth
I find this amazing, how those people were just normal guys fighting for survival/conquest/whatever yet as time passed they were turned into demigods and myths. It's not even that far back if you think about it but everything has this mystique surrounding it because it's basically unknown. Makes us feel bigger than we actually are.
Judging that FYROMians think that they descend from Alexander in modern times, probably not much.
>>543435
What do you think, the slavs genocided all the old macedonians?
>>543482
not him, but it's not even really that, it's that those people go through great pains to distance alexander from the greek world and greek culture, while pretending it's obvious that some random slav settlers have more in common with him and his deeds.
the delusion is on par with afrocentrists and nordicists 2bh
>>543494
>Alexander
WE WUZ HERACLES N SHEEEEIT
>>538314
>>538319
>>538324
>>538330
>cyclical
I hate this fucking word. I don't even know what it fucking means. I think it means "repeating" "circular" etc. However it's used in the sense of "a series of stages occurring in a linear fashion"
Let's check the dictionary:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclic
>revolving or recurring in cycles; characterized by recurrence in cycles.
Oh shit it is a repeating circle ad that totally makes sense because the root 'cyc' implies circular motion. So I guess I'm right, but...
>The ancient humans had a cyclical model of history.
>The Hindus traced man’s descent across four ages or yugas, from the age of Truth (Satya Yuga) to the Dark Age (Kali Yuga), with the series comprising a single Great Age (Mahayuga).
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE how is this a fucking cyclical history? The Kali Yuga ends with the destruction of Earth. So even if it restarts again (which is what is supposed to happen) that's a completely separate history (a separate "great age"). In other words it's a cyclical model of *cosmology*, not history.
I don't think *any* cultures really have an actual cyclical model of history. Prove me wrong.
Dammit, I'm so asspained right now.
>>540580
There's a chinese text describing the Roman Empire.
http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/hhshu/hou_han_shu.html#sec11
>>546084
The Hopi have a cyclical model of history. They can't even understand cause and effect.
>>546116
[citation needed]
![th[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kZZixoI.jpg "th[1].jpg")
