the Vikings reached america before the Spaniards?
>>538059
Yes.
>>538059
This probably wasn't even news to Columbus.
Yes. This is well-document and generally known, taught in grade school in most places.
>>538068
This is the angle that doesn't get enough attention. There's evidence he may have been to Iceland and at least had some contacts with Icelanders.
Yes, but who cares. Native americans were the first humans to arrive, so who gives a fuck about a bunch of snowniggers arriving in a different country without noticing it.
>>538114
>hunter-gatherer treenigger tribes
>country
nah
>>538101
Everyone at the time knew the world wasn't flat. Moreover, they had a good idea (IIRC from observing the angle of the sun at various latitudes) of the circumference of the Earth, therefore they "knew" Asia was way fucking far from Europe going West. Columbus would have been aware of this evidence as well, so the question is why he was so confident there was land out there. That he'd heard about the the Greenlanders voyages when he was in Iceland would explain it perfectly.
>>538129
Except the fact that Columbus fucking INSISTED he found India. Even when people traveled there and reported, 'nope, not india.' Columbus argued with him.
Columbus was...kind of fucked in the head.
>>538101
>There's evidence he may have been to Iceland and at least had some contacts with Icelanders
what the fuck
b-but Christopher Columbus discovered America
a-and was the i-indians' best friend
he proved that the earth was round
yes, there was a viking settlement
but they had too much trouble with natives to make it permanent
interestingly enough, the viking population on Greenland disappeared suddenly after the viking age
the theory is that natives (inuit/eskimoes) wiped them out
but SOME theorize that they instead moved to America when the climate got too bad on Greenland
and they mixed and was absorbed by the natives
Thor Heyrdahl documented that some indian tribes has chants that sounded like old norse
>>538155
He probably thought the Norse had found Asia or some extension of it, and so assumed the astronomers were wrong. Finding land himself just confirmed his suspicion.
Curious why he'd be so resistant to the idea that he'd found a new continent however. That seems more impressive than just finding a shortcut to somewhere known.
>>538059
The Irish reached America before the Vikings did.
>>538193
French people even earlier that Native Americans
look up the Solutrean hypothesis
>>538209
>French people
Modern French are only barely related to the people that lived in France 20,000 years ago.
>>538059
The Irish reached it before the Vikings.
Columbus even quoted Saint Brendan when he first seen Cuba.
the difference between Columbus' discovery and the Vikings was that the Vikings didn't stay to settle the area permanently.
The Vikings landed, spent what was probably less than 10 years in modern day Canada, and failed to create a permanent settlement due to the extreme logistics to keep it supplied and manned and hostile reactions from the Inuits.
Columbus managed to keep a permanent hold in North America, where forts were constructed and eventually cities that would thrive from the resources in the area, which had a more profound effect on western society and its expansion and conquest of the America's.
The Vikings were the first to land, but the Spanish were the first to colonize.
>>538480
Columbus didn't quote any Vikings, he quoted an Irish Monk.
Why are you trying to write this out of history?
Colombo was italian btw.
For me its okay if we say that all the efforts were Spanish ,foundings and so on,but Columbus was Italian,just for the records
>>538129
I don't see why people make this argument. They knew the circumference of the Earth, sure, but they didn't know how big Asia was. For all they knew Asia could've stretched all the way to the Atlantic.
>>538162
There's some speculation that Iberians were already fishing off the Canadian coast before Columbus as well, but they didn't consider Newfoundland worth colonizing.
>>538209
>look up the Solutrean hypothesis
"As anthropologist David Meltzer put it in 2009, "Few if any archaeologists—or, for that matter, geneticists, linguists, or physical anthropologists—take seriously the idea of a Solutrean colonization of America."
>>538459
The Voyage of St. Brendan is some really far out stuff. Celtic Christianity is cool.
>>538162
he spent most of the 1470s and 1480s working on ships on the atlantic coast, mostly pretty far north, and a lot of that was in or based from bristol, which had strong trade ties to iceland.
>>538170
>he'd found a new continent however. That seems more impressive than just finding a shortcut to somewhere known.
Yes, but the whole point of the expedition was to get to Asia for that tasty pepper and other spices.
At least at the time he discovered the Americas, there was no guarantee that anything of value would come of it, as the only people to be found were assbackward cave men living in a howling wilderness who had nothing to trade.
>>538162
There is no evidence, only speculation.
