Let's get a Rhodesia thread going
let's not
>>53190
Why not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TrdraURegE
I don't know much about Rhodesia other than it was set up by white Brits, was sort of prosperous for a time, and is now Zimbabwe.
What was society like? What did they trade in, who held it all together, who was famous from there, what did that contribute? What were some of the nastier parts of the country, was it at all fair or equal? Was it libertarian or authoritarian? What cultures were dominant? How did it become Zimbabwe?
>>53294
Apartheid. That's all anyone knows. It had such apartheid that it would make South Africa go "oh my." Of course, they got rid of it in a few years to try and hold onto the blacks, but outside forces refused to give them a chance and invaded Rhodesia to "liberate" the Africans.
Robert Mugabe was a terrorist at the time who made a reputation and so was elected after the disenfranchisement of all whites by gaining a plurality of the vote. And thus Zimbabwe was born.
>>53294
Oh, and just like the United States, they declared independence from Great Britain while still a colony because they hated the interference coming from Attlee's government, specifically a plan to hand over the governance of Rhodesia to the native African rebels. The whites knew things would get bad for them if that happened and tried to cling to power as much as possible. This is in contrast to the Mandate of Paletine or the decolonization of India, where these nations were granted independence from British control by British decisions. Bascially, since they were going to be decolonized against their will, they decided to declare independence instead.
And what follows is the sad, sorry tale of just how Africans go ape.
>>53319
>>>/tumblr/
>>53476
This.
Black Africans that were young adults through these times had jobs, money, and a semblance of a civilized life, then found themselve wishing apartheid had never ended.
>>53609
Urban black Africans, at least. Rural ones really hated the whites, especially since they didn't even have the sharecropping system that the US South had and were basically serfs for the great Rhodesian plantations.
Of course now nobody has jobs aside from being gangsters, being political operatives, or being soldiers.
>>53389
>It had such apartheid that it would make South Africa go "oh my."
No, Rhodesia's political system was weighted heavily in White's favor, but did not bar blacks from participating in the government.
But in reality would you really want a bunch of uneducated, uncivilized, tribal people with no concept of Western values/democracy to have a majority in the voting system? That's why we have Mugabe.
>>53294
Rhodesia was a British colony whose British-sanctioned independence depended on allowing majority rule
They said no and declared independence on their own
Ian Smith, PM for Rhodesia's entire 14-year history, is probably the most famous
Society was culturally British. It's why Zimbabwe competes in rugby and cricket today for example. Elizabeth was the queen on paper, but she refused to accept the title
All I know about their economy is that agriculture was a big deal ("breadbasket of Africa"), and historically mining too (Cecil Rhodes)
Rhodesia never got recognized (only had informal relations with apartheid South Africa and Salazar's Portugal) and got sanctioned to hell. Doesn't help the place is landlocked.
I don't know much about how the state collapsed into Zimbabwe, except that there was a brief transition state (Zimbabwe-Rhodesia) that gave blacks rule and more rights
While I'm also ignorant about it, the Rhodesian military and their tactics is the stuff of much fascination
I hope someone can drop knowledge on that
>>53737
>But in reality would you really want a bunch of uneducated, uncivilized, tribal people with no concept of Western values/democracy to have a majority in the voting system?
Well the United States does! *cymbals* Jokes aside, no, I hate that idea but people keep saying that you have to give "a voice" and "the vote" to everyone, even if they're completely unqualified.
>>53806
Rhodesia's military was literally /k/ with a boatload of WWII surplus. A bunch of volunteer hunters, war vets, and gun nuts basically running around the northern jungles to hunt out the socialists and nationalist rebels *two different groups.
There's a reason why Rhodesians Never Die is the /k/ board anthem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBVDdr3wqm4
>>53964
>Rhodesians Never Die
hahahaha, they are extint as animals
>>54016
>they are extint as animals
>>54067
i do not give a shit if i do not speak english correctly, rhodesia is death, and it will never come back
>>54133
>>54016
Sounds like you have some sort of previous beef with Rhodesia, the former breadbasket of Africa.
>>53119
easy there dylann roof
>>54264
>MUH breadbasket of africuh
and? they got BTFO
>>53119
DAS RACIS
>>54264
Are there any /k/ommandos around that can identify the gun the soldier on the left is holding at the 53 second mark?
>>53816
Yes, what is your point
>>53319
Rhodesia actually isn't /pol/ material. Blacks and Whites lived together in Rhodesia in peace. The le blacks were opressed by a white minority is a meme backed by SJWs. to prove how whites are evil, and white supremacists (aka /pol/ and Stormfront) , to prove that segregating "niggers" is making a nation better.
>>54264
I've seen this webm before, didn't think it was rhodesia. Its from Addieu Africa, right? There's another badass webm where a dude runs around with a belt fed 30 cal slung over his shoulder
>>54486
Yeah, sad thing about that,
>only a poor country called zimbabwe
If only Rhodesia was still around today being that great breadbasket it once was eh?
>>54415
It's a FAMAS.
>>54508
It'd be South Africa.
>>54531
>If only Rhodesia was still around today
nah, it would get fucked by black people anyway :^)
>>54486
Zimbabwe isn't poor. Zimbabwe is rich.
>>54667
oh lord that picture.
Saved.
>>54667
This was made by /pol/, right? As a joke image to show how stupid the pro-Palestinian college students are right?
>>54016
Nah, there are loads of zimbos in SA, australia, london - really anywhere that appreciates smart, hard-working, hard-drinking guys with big brass balls. I know a couple of zim pilots out in the middle east at the moment who did a lot of civilian flying in iraq, which should say plenty (although god knows how they keep up the hard-drinking now they're flying for the oil sheikdoms)
>>54756
Not even fiat currency terms. Zimbabwe still has some of the most-productive copper, aluminum, and salt mines in Africa. It's got huge amounts of farmland compared to urban and wild country, and it has a thriving export economy in basic foodstuffs. But all that money only goes to a few dozen people at the top.
>>54856
It's a shame, really
Not even that "muh Rhodesia should stay white", but the fact Mugabe should be sent to The Hague
It sadly reminds me of Botswana, and how you have southern African nation doing relatively well thanks to natural resources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyJFRTJgPbU
This video is pretty biased but it explains well what happened with Zimbabwe
>>54909
This is a little /pol/, but I don't believe anyone should be sent to the Hague. It lacks the mandate and authority to punish, and it's not like getting rid of Mugabe will fix Zimbabwe's problems. The entire leadership caste is corrupt.
>>53119
Bump
>>57308
>being realist
>racist
ohh /pol/ you are so cute
>>55068
Not /pol/ at all. The Hague serves as a convenient metaphor for dealing with leaders like Mugabe, but I agree it lacks substance
You're also right on corruption being systemic at this point
Mugabe is old. It should be interesting how power transfers after his soon-to-be death
Here is everything you need to know about Rhodesia.
>/k/
>>57343
>...trolling will not be tolerated...
>...a high level of discourse is expected...
>...address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.
tfw you will never be a Mercenary in the Rhodesian army
Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBVDdr3wqm4
>>53964
It's so god damn depressing to think of how much Zimbabwe regressed once Mugabe took over.
A-at least its not apartheid anymore, r-right?
>>54667
>chris kyle
>racist serial killer
Kek, this is a trap image
>>54264
Operator as fuck
Rhodesia was based
Fucking filthy commie scum destorying the best and safest country Africa has ever known
>people fall for the Rhodesia is racist meme
>>57605
it never was apartheid.
only real restriction was on not letting stone age tribal nignogs vote and hold office. though educated and thoroughly modern africans could.
>>57690
>>54795
it's definitely /pol/. Not sure what the point of it is though. /pol/ is very split over whether jews or muslims are worse for the world.
>>57841
you forgot to include blacks, mexicans and women as well
>>57777
quads of truth. Rhodesia's fall was 100% geopolitical and had nothing to do with "racism" (of which there was less than the US, which people conveniently forget was apartheid as fuck)
>>57841
It's a troll image.
Even on /pol/ it causes large shitfests.
t. /pol/ack
>>57841
Honestly most of /pol/ agree's that both sides of the conflict are shit and the Middle East should be nuked.
>>57777
>though educated and thoroughly modern africans could.
Come on...do you really think someone is going to buy that? with apartheid being a thing?
>>57841
I'm sure it's anti-idiot. Look at the list of supporters of anti-zionism.
>John Stewart - Kanye West of a Generation
>Edward Snowden - Traitor
>Jimmy Carter
>Noam Chomsky - Communist
>Patrice Cullors - "Black" Lives Matter founder
>Jeremy Corbyn - Political Suicide Activist
>Jon Mcintosh - The guy who writes Anita Sarkeesian's Youtube videos and noted gender traitor
It's a list of people /pol/ loves to mock and hate.
>>58003
Apartheid is like how Israel treats Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza. Rhodesia was no where near that.
>>57629
If Rhodesia was so based why was it dissolved?
Checkmate Rhodesiaboos.
>>58071
But that's wrong.
Apartheid is closer to what the American South did with Jim Crow laws.
>>58003
Except they did. Look it up. American Apartheid was way, way worse.
>>58080
For the same reasons that Tucker Automobiles, the GBE, and cocoa powder were dissolved.
>>54620
Operation Enlad and Operation Dingo prove you wrong.
Rhodesians never lost an engagement, and ultimately just came to a stalemate.
The UN stabbed them in the back
>>58071
I feel hard to believe that with Africa's history and the political climate at the time white folks were going to give black folks even the chance to get any kind of power, i just can't believe it.
>>58084
Jim Crow is minor league. A 90 pound skinny fat girl compared to Apartheid's Brock Lesner.
>>58112
that is enough for me
>>58084
>the American south was the only one with Jim crow laws
Why the fuck did Lincoln have to die.
We wouldn't have any blacks in the US.
Damn man, fuck history.
>>58118
I mean, it's a fact so you don't have to believe it if you dont want to.
>>58135
>Why the fuck did Lincoln have to die.
he got a shot like the typical american
>>58118
It's actually true. They weren't nearly as bad as South Africa who sold them out to cover their own bullshit.
>>58118
The entire point of Ian Smith forming Rhodesia was to ease the africans into being a modern democratic nation. While also keeping the fucking communists, warlords, and general anarchy away. All which happened to colonies that just handed everything over at once to the natives.
>>58112
Pic related, Mugabe a shit.
>>58156
Well, here is the problem; if apartheid was so god awful, which it was, but if it was so much worse than living outside of South Africa why was there so much illegal immigration.
Fact of the matter is apartheid was better than normal African conditions due to the wealth.
Are you going to let a bunch of illegal immigrants, or uneducated people able to vote in massive numbers?
Anyway, Rhodesia and SA are in no way comparable. 80% of the Rhodesian army was black, if they were being mistreated then they could have easily revolted.
>>58164
Kekd
>>58235
Show Operation ENGLAD and then show the entirety of the Rhodesian bush war.
They are recorded as being the most effective fighting force in history
>>58235
>this trigger the rhodesia fags
Obligatory
>>58270
Actually this makes me feel pretty good, knowing that Mugabe and them are starving.
I am wondering if I amass enough wealth I can buy up tons of land and colonize africa again.
>>54264
>>54508
>>54589
That webm is from Addio Africa. Those aren't Rhodesians or South African government armies. They're (mostly) white mercenaries fighting in the Congo in the 1960s. The mercenary's nationalities aren't specified.
>>58345
Er, Africa Addio.
Here's a link to the full movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHnF85dww3M
>>58323
>Mugabe
>Starving
That's for the peasants
>>58323
>I am wondering if I amass enough wealth I can buy up tons of land and colonize africa again.
pff memes
>>54756
Yeah but im pretty sure those were also the rules for whites.
However most of the educated and land owners were white.
>>58431
Well he is about to die, and when his 30 year old wife takes over and buys millions of shoes the entire country will collapse.
>>58445
I'm serious.
I come from such a family that I could maybe buy a reasonably large chunk, reserve size, and colonize it with like 500 people. And then buy up more land and see what happens.
ITT we get raided by nignogs and sanctioned for no fucking reason
>>57629
Is there a definitive book about the history of Rhodesia? Seems pretty interesting. Also I found all these sexy anime versions of Rhodesian/South African military personnel. Enjoy.
>>58492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvAumsx7GCY
>people ITT thinking Rhodesia was a racist state on par with America and SA
Would SA ever let an african man become a police officer in a city?
Would you ever see this scene in South Africa?
>>58520
Memes.
I'm going back to my paintings.
Got class tomorrow afternoon too.
Happy trees
>>58552
That was a gut punch when I first saw that.
>>58531
>>58551
People(Rhodesiafags) ITT believe that israel is apartheid :^)
>>58710
It's a clever form of apartheid in which Palestine is allowed to have a "government" (the Palestinian Authority) in which they're quarantined in a continuously disappearing patch of semi-desert and rubble
>>54909
Honestly I think Mugabe was right kicking out the whites. Pretty tough to say cause I have a lot of white Rhodesian friends.
>>53119
No one ITT pointing out that Southern Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe and Northern Rhodesia is now Zambia
Poor shit /his/
>>53476
>Attlee's government,
Wilson's
I read Martin Loney's 'Rhodesia, White Racism and Imperial Response' recently, the name might put you off but it's a well-written and compiled source of information. It doesn't portray White Rhodesians as tyrannical overlords, but rather traces roots to the Zimbabwe-Rhodesia problem back to Colonial Britain.
Interestingly enough the book was written back in 1974, so I would like to see what Loney's later perspective would be.
>>60381
Also as a side note. Are there any that believed Joshua Nkomo would've made a better leader than Mugabe? Seeing as they were the only choices being endorsed by the West (Britain actually protected Nkomo from Rhodesian Special Force raids on numerous occasions).
>>57690
>LOOK AT THIS ARYAN OPPRESSOR WITH HIS MK88 BABYKILLER READY TO SLAUGHTER SOME INNOCENT NOBLE SAVAGES
>>60008
If you're still around, I'm interested in your reasons for thinking it's right. Both my parents were kicked out and I'm a little salty I never was able to get raised there, but yeah as I said I'm interested in your reasons behind that thought?
>>60036
When people refer to Rhodesia, they mean Southern Rhodesia aka the Dominion/State/Republic of Rhodesia. Nobody referred to the whole area as Rhodesia ever since the Federation collapsed.
>>60434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_x9jRYU1JU
>that nkomo adviser
>>60500
Same anon here.
Mainly because I think it's the only way for a post-colonial state to escape its colonial roots. Whilst many blacks and whites might get along, the difference between the majority and minority is too great to not have extreme social tensions. You can't really address the issues created by colonialism without heavily affecting white people in a negative way. Of course they would be very unhappy about this, the same way black people are unhappy. Basically I think it's impossible to keep both parties happy.
USA and Australia pretty much wiped out the native population so that wasn't an issue. I was born and live in South Africa, and it's clear to me that the racial tensions are still huge, and the white elite has just included a few black people into the elite ruling class, who just exploit poor south africans, who are mostly black
Its a real shame what happened to Rhodesia. It wasn't perfect but it was a lot better then most of Africa.
>>60998
Rhodesia under white rule -paradise, named the breakbasket of africa.
Rhodesia under black rule - zimbabwe, shithole of the world
South africa under white rule - low crime, good service delivery, good healthcare and education even for black south africans.
South africa under black rule - top rape/murder stats worldwide, corruption, no service delivery.
More black south africans have been killed in protests since apartheid ended than in all the years under apartheid rule.
I wonder if there is a pattern here...
>>53119
Rip rhodesia, what was once and never will be again.
The breadbasket of africa has become an embarassment to the world. Never again will it be the prosperous, peaceful place with limitless potential that it once was.
>>54415
It appears to be a Vigneron.
>>60381
It's interesting to note a lot of the scholarly criticisms of the Rhodesian regime are usually efforts to compare it to South Africa's apartheid regime. Loney's especially used the wage gap of black africans as compared to white africans as an example of this. And yes, it is true that the Rhodesian government kept white wages and lifestyle at a great benefit (minimum wage being better than Britain and the US, along with grants and cheaper land/housing for white immigrants), the reason was so that the skilled white immigrants could boost the economy, of which they further planned to develop into more industrial and education sectors, to help the majority black population catch up to western standards. Many of the critics like Loney began to realize this long after 80s, when Mugabe was tearing everything apart.
>>61446
It's basically the same situation as Singapore on the outset. Multiculturalism, of the kind where the different 'minorities' literally make up 10s of percentages of the population each, needs very strict rules and very strict rule to keep any kind of social cohesion going.
That's why in Singapore the People's Action Party has such a monopoly on power and why the ethnicities there are split up into basically their own neighbourhoods. It's also not a coincidence that the PAP's party logo is almost exactly that of the British Union of Fascists.
>>61731
While I agree with you, there is one thing that should be remembered, by detractors and the more /pol/-oriented Rhodieboos alike.
>the skilled white immigrants
They weren't just white, and even the ones who were weren't necessarily of Anglo-Saxon stock. There were significant Indian and Chinese communities, as well as Jews of all colours. Furthermore, at a time when Australians were referring to Italians and Greeks as wogs and complaining that they didn't fit the White Australia policy, the Greek community in Rhodesia was one of the most robust. They even get a mention in the lyrics of John Edwards' 'Salisbury Town', when listing the drinks troopies can enjoy. I doubt you could get proper Ouzo anywhere outside the Mediterranean in the 60s.
>>61830
Oh definitely, the place was being snapped up by many communities just because it was seen a promising place for development. It's almost typical to note that many American and European industrialist groups were still operating and turning a profit in the region, despite the fact every country bar South Africa and Portugal had officially placed trade sanctions on them.
>>61446
So far from accurate desu. Zim currently isn't that bad apart from currency issues. At least they have racial unity, something barely any countries have these days, regardless of how strong their economies are (USA).
South Africa is really shit now, but we equally shit under apartheid. There was good healthcare and service delivery for whites, and education was a joke, sadly it still is. Not sure how you think everyone having to learn in Afrikaans was good, blacks and english whites struggled hugely to learn
>>61910
That's how sanctions usually work. The most kekworthy aspect though was how Zambia ignored them as well, since thanks to the Federation their economy was at least somewhat still tied to Southern Rhodesia.
What do you guys know about the volunteers of the war?
>>62017
this, I have a white friend from Botswana and he said it's easier learning Setswana than learning the dog language that is Afrikaans
>>62017
>Racial unity
Because Mugabe genocided the Ndebele
also
>70-80% unemployment
>>62043
A lot were the usual soldier of fortune types who knew nothing else but war. The world was full of them from the 50s to the 80s, participating as old school mercenaries in any number of brush fire wars around the world.
Some were more idealistic though. One of the funniest books I've read call 'A Martyr Speaks', is basically a /pol/tard going there to fight after he missed Vietnam, only to be sorely disappointed that it wasn't some white Christian utopia. His only real friend in the region was an Afrikaner in South Africa who was too radical for the Nationalist Party.
>>62043
My great-uncle served for like 2 months with the foreign volunteer battalion, he got in because he had like a years experience from touring in Vietnam with the NZ Army Corps soldiers in the UN Peacekeeping force. He said he mostly did patrols. And the the one time he there was action, his squad got send to a village to check for any guerrillas taking refuge. He caught some kid sneaking off into someone's house, and when he went to go after him he got jumped by some other people, the others heard though and arrested them. He was put in hospital with a broken leg and ribs. When he finally got out he found out one of his cousins died, so he requested leave. He never went back after coming home.
>>62178
>got beat up in some smelly africans house and sent home afterwards
kek true war hero
>>53119
Who could be behind this post?
It was a failed racist regime. Get over it.
>>62047
Afrikaans is piss easy to learn, I speak it pretty much fluently. It's so similar to Dutch, I have spoken to Dutch people in Europe and had a decent conversation. It's much easier than other South African Languages like Xhosa or Zulu. Really simple grammar and that. Apart from that it is pretty much useless and doesn't sound very nice cause its so guttural
>>57887
they said Worse.
/pol/ thinks all these things are bad, but Jews and Muslims are the worst.
Source: im from /pol/
>>62054
You do know the difference between race and ethnicity right? Either way it would be great if the EU followed his example and kicked all the non-whites out of Europe.
She's gone lads, hold me
Ah Rhodesia, one of the countless victims of the Cold War. Who knows what might have been if it had been supported properly instead of being torn apart by Russia, China, the UK and the US.
>>62398
I can tell you're American, because the colour of your skin means fuck-all if you're not of the same tribe as your neighbour. There's a reason Yugoslavia collapsed, despite them all being 'white'.
>>62408
>the eye
>>62455
>There's a reason Yugoslavia collapsed
G-gommunism? Impending collapse of the Soviet Union?
>>62870
Ethnic tension. If what you said was true, they would've transitioned together from communism, because of their uniting whiteness.
>>62455
So dumb. I'm from SA, never been to USA.
I don't know how you can compare a European state to a former colony.
What happened to Rhodesia is a good justification to hate the entire western world and its pathetic post WW2 values.
Humans have never been so fucking weak.
>>58977
Because of their own incompetent century old retardation.
>>63184
Well let's look at some African countries that are 'black', but aren't ethnically homogeneous.
>Congo
Fucked up beyond repair
>Rwanda
Only now have they overcome the genocide, and even then they're hunting Hutus in the Congo.
>Nigeria
Constant shit between north and south, plus Biafra back in the day.
>Sudan
Recently split
Need I go on?
>>62915
>>62455
Ethnicity in Europe is very different to Africa. In Europe the groups are much smaller and have a much longer history, which is why so many European countries dislike others.
Many African ethnicities share a common history of oppression, which leads to the idea of Pan Africanism and the struggle of the black man.
>>63262
I'm with Thomas Sowell on this that all that Pan Africanism shit was brought back by African intellectuals educated in the west in pseudo-SJW ways.
>>63259
Shit like that happens when you randomly draw lines and decide which ethnicities live in a country. Ethnic homogeneity is better than racial unity, but practically almost impossible to achieve nowadays. Also you conveniently forget the standard colonial practice of divide and rule, where they would create class differences along ethnic lines, like in Rwanda. The main reasons those countries are shit is because they haven't done nearly enough to overcome being a bitch colonies and exploited, and their economies are still shit. The ethnic differences are not the cause of crime and violence and corruption, it's because they're all poor as fuck or rich and greedy
>>62017
Well if you consider economic ruin, starvation and mass exodus across the border not that bad then i guess it's a fair statement.
Half of zim has already fled across borders to work illegally in south africa and anywhere else they can. Sure education was hard during apartheid but that just made certain people work harder. The black doctors who qualified during that time were brilliant and still are today, unfortunately they are old and close to retiring.
Maybe you should speak to people who actually lived under apartheid, 1 on 1, not in the public sphere. They will tell you that things were actually better, at least they felt safe wherever they were.
>>62017
As for the racial unity statement, well all i can do is laugh. That's absolutely untrue
>>63358
Well, this goes into the failure of decolonisation. The Europeans, wanting to be done with the whole ordeal just released the states under their control and called them nations. Had they been granted independence along ethnic lines, a lot of strife would've been prevented. Sure they would've been poor, but they would not have internal conflict in the way. Case in point, Botswana.
Of course, espouse any of these views and the feel-good liberals in the West will think you're a Nazi.
>>63361
Realistically not much has changed for white people, they won't complain about life under apartheid but won't agree with it unless they're Afrikaans. I've had enough shit about how bad Apartheid was for blacks shoved down my throat, I don't need to go ask them for a second opinion.
>>63496
I very much agree with you, but sadly I think the Western countries granting independence didn't give a fuck about what happened to the countries, I think they wanted them to remain the natural resource mines for Europe.
It definitely would have solved a lot of issues although there would be a lot more African countries. The size, both population and area, of countries like Nigeria and the Congo are insane, Nigeria should be two or three countries and the Congo should be about 5, with some territory going to bordering countries.
>>63580
>I think they wanted them to remain the natural resource mines for Europe.
While this was obviously the case for Francafrique and Belgium (although they failed even at that), I've always gotten a vibe of indifference and embarrassment from British decolonisation.
>>63771
Its because the US pretty much forced them to decolonize for it's help in WW2
>>63392
Looks like he has his shit together
>>53119
Never should have existed. People should stay in their respective continents.
>>65249
I guess everyone should go back to africa then
>>63771
I think it was cause they took such pride in their empire, and rightly so. They were extremely good at the game of colonisation, what they did in India was pretty unreal. Or the Indians are pathetic. But Britain used very different approaches based on where they were colonising. Think it depended on how well a settler population could survive. So in Africa they didn't settle as heavily as in America or Australia
>>65249
but it did, as did and do many other products of colonisation and migration. and we just have to deal with it
>>65249
Savage people should be colonized by the civilized. The Africans needed the Europeans to fix them
Civilizing them is the burden the white man must bare
Rhodesia unafraid is a pretty good documentary m8s
>>66116
I'm a Rhodieboo, and even I know it's straight propaganda.
>>66482
How do Mugabe's balls taste m8?
>>62326
You leftys sure do shit your panties when anything doesn't fit the narrative.
>>66658
Don't encourage him, not so late after the post anyhow
>>58494
Same question, would anyone recommend a good book on rhodesian history? I'd appreciate it.
>>68037
http://www.historytoday.com/paul-moorcraft/rhodesias-war-independence
This is a pretty good journal article that gives a brief rundown of the War of Independence.
>>68255
Much appreciated. The nearby library only has one book from 1995 about how A W E S O M E Zimbabwe is and how great it is that they got rid of the racist bigoted evil white people.
>>68037
Of course not an objective book, but Ian Smith's memoir is a fascinating read.
For an insight into how it was experienced by an average white Rhodesian, Ron Morkel's Rhodesia: Beginning to End was an alright read despite being a bit poorly written
>>68037
I would suggest the Cambridge History of Africa. It gives a good overview of Southern Rhodesia and what it underwent through its years as a colony and an international pariah.
>>53903
>I hate that idea but people keep saying that you have to give "a voice" and "the vote" to everyone, even if they're completely unqualified.
The idea behind universal suffrage is that anyone whom a decision will affect should have some say in the decision-making process, and that this is a universal human right. Actual individual qualification to make national decisions is irrelevant; it's about the right of the individual to make their own decisions.
>>72155
>it's about the right of the individual to make their own decisions.
Even if those decisions en mass will ruin society?
economic growth under Mugabe was greater than that under Rhodesian rule
>>72333
One of the risks, I suppose. IMO, universal suffrage is based on the idea that a person cannot be free unless they have some control over the society in which they live. That they will then fuck it up is an acceptable risk in exchange for this freedom.
Besides, I believe that mass decision-making is less likely to dramatically fuck up than any single decision-maker, although also less likely to dramatically succeed. Democracy is a system that attempts to achieve perpetual mediocrity.
>>72474
>>72502
Democracy is based around the idea that the populous is educated
"An uneducated populace can never be free"
If you allow the uneducated to vote, it fucks up more than anything.
Read "Democracy: the god that failed"
Being a traditionalist, fuck democracy, fuck the French revolution, fuck commies.
>>72614
Education alone won't work. Plenty of people have college degrees and they're still absolute retards.
>>72696
Kek.
Then I propose a strong unitary government composed of the best, smartest, and passionate men of a nation.
A monarchy or National Socialism perhaps?
>4chan creates a history board
>one of the very first popular topics is Rhodesia
Oh come the fuck on, you faggots. If you don't like actual history, please kindly fuck off until this board passes muster.
>>72965
>Monarchy
Absolutely.
>National Socialism
Fuck no. I don't want to be ruled by literal plebs.
If you're really a traditionalist, read some more Kuehnelt-Leddihn instead of edgemasters like Hoppe. Meritocracy is an illusion, even greater than democracy.
>>73036
How does discussion about Rhodesia not belong on a history board? The last time I checked that country doesn't even exist anymore, so every discussion about it is history related by definition.
>>53119
Despite the claims of racism I see, Rhodesia sounds like it was a heck of a lot better than Zimbabwe.
>>73039
Haha, anyway; nice to see another alt right here who knows his positions and readers.
It's funny telling leftists that the alt right is a bigger threat to the establishment then they have ever been.
Got any good readings on anti-cathedralism?
>>73036
>actual history
So decolonisation, pan-africanism, cold war conflicts, study of culture etc. etc. are not actual history?
>>73342
Apparently not when "wassist whodesia" comes up
>>57399
Where's that hypothetical story of /k/ actually going somewhere and seiging sandnigger with Mosit Nuggets and then after a close victory they all board a bus and start chanting "Rhodesia!"
>>57399
>>73894
Wait. I found it.
>>73141
Rhodesia was known as the breadbasket of africa.
Do you think zimbabwe could be called the same?
>>72474
Top kek m8
Bro's a jeweller and has this idea that Zimbabwe has these huge vaults full of diamond from their mining days as Rhodesia. According to him they corruoted the diamond market and they just trickle their supply out slowly so that their value is increased. Anyone know if there's any truth to that? I can't decide if it's plausible or tinfoil conspiracy.
>>74515
It's actually true, De Beers company pretty much controlled the Diamond market in Southern Africa. At its head? None other than Cecil Rhodes
>>74515
True but company is called De Beers and they started in south africa. They also invented the diamond engagement ring idea through the most successful ad campaign in history - a diamond is forever.
Millions of stupid fucks around the world are shelling out thousands to purchase a stone with no intrinsic value, no resale value and a totally inflated price tag.
Also, most diamonds are blood diamonds even today.
All Rhodesians died.
The thing is, while Rhodesia was only slightly more racist than the US at the time, I don't believe they did enough to integrate blacks into Rhodesian society before it was too late. Of course a lot of this had to do with the prevailing racist attitudes that existed throughout the west anyway, but Ian Smith should have realised that delaying the integration process of blacks would only lead to disaster. You just can't have a country where a substantial majority of the population is subjugated by a tiny minority, especially when you're divided along racial/ethnic lines. It never ever works in the long term. After all, it's when you leave a population uneducated and disenfranchised that they're likely to back any opposition to the establishment, no matter how batshit crazy they are.
>>72474
Pretty sure that was a statement I read from a Zimbabwean Finance Minister in 1983, when I was looking through some archives to help me with my research assignment. Kek'd to say the least.
>>73036
If you put the stormweenies into their little corner, discussion about the Rhodesian state is interesting, as it's one of the most unique postcolonial situations of the 20th Century.
>>75518
Please stop
>>75114
Also, Black Rhodesians were NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNMENT
It was jelousy from shit head Mezbiqans and surrounding states.
Jesus christ spew more propaganda
>>75534
>spew blatant lies about the land my mother is from
>n-no! Please stop!
>>75559
So you don't know shit? My Dad was born in Ireland but that doesn't mean I'm an authority on Irish history. For God's sake man read some history books, journals, watch some documentaries, gather some good sources. Don't rely on your Mum's stories.
>>75682
I have, and you're attempting to compare apples and oranges; "racism" has no context in history, it doesn't fucking matter and it doesn't apply.
Rhodesians were in NO way more racist than SA or US.
80% of their military was black, they had black leaders, black police men, people shopped, danced, lived, side by side. Blacks got free health care, housing, water, and electricity.
Will you fuck off?
Rhodesia gave some semblance of a proper functioning society to those Africans in Rhodesia(who considered themselves rhodesians) and they viciously defended it from the hoards of uneducated savages from Mozambique.
>On the Eleventh of November
>An Independent State
>This was much against the wishes
>Of certain Governments
>Whose leaders tried to break us down and make us so repent
The anniversary of Rhodesia's birth is coming up /his/. What are you going to do about it?
>>77013
Buy a FAL and Rhodie it
>>54756
Yeah, but listen, this is Rhodesia, a former Colony IN AFRICA, mind you. Rhodesian blacks in 1960 were arguably better off than American blacks in 1960. If left to their own devices, they would've established full equality between races by the 90's or even before. I say this because blacks and whites lived amongst eachother, whereas in countries like the USA, they are arguably still majorly separated even today.
SJWs don't know shit
>>53119
> tfw Africa will never be converted into a utopian white lebensraum
Hold me guys
>>53119
Z I M B A B W E
>>79838
/k/ will retake Rhodesia. It's part of the /k&pol15yearplan/. Fuck, I've revealed too much!
>>81174
> /pol/
> doing anything
> ever
/k/ I can believe in though. I wish there was a way I can donate money or supplies but oh well. Good luck you rascals.
>>82449
/pol/ used to regularly BTFO commies and leftists.
Now it's just shitposting.
8pol does better
>>82472
They don't really act either though, they just accuse anyone that suggests any action of being NSA
> tfw there will never be a nationalist homeland for whites
>>83909
What, is Europe and North America not already enough?
>>84527
...
Bait
>>53119
Oh boy here we go, yet another super obvious racebait thread. Why am i replying? I am replying because every /pol/tard here is really uninformed on one critical point. Rhodesia was doomed from the day the British empire started to collapse. There was no "stabbed in the back" the whole concept was totally unsustainable from day one.
The Britsh Empire was falling apart so they offered African nations independence one by one. however they had one simple prerequisite, that the country have black majority rule. Why? Because they feared that the Soviets would stir up revolutions in their ex-colonies if they left them to repressive white-supremacist regimes. This would be a nightmare for NATO if all of Africa joined the Warsaw Pact, therefore they wanted to make sure that nothing would foster Marxist elements. Thus when Ian Smith requested independence it was denied by the Colonial Office. Smith decided to straight up rebel and declare independence anyway. Britain toyed with sending in troops, but they didn't have the means to fight a war with a developed nation in the heart of Africa. Instead they sanctioned the hell out of Southern Rhodesia and ensured they were an international paraiah. As predicted, Marxist elements started springing up. However they did have one ally in Portugal who controlled nearby Mozambique and Angola and were dealing with the exact same thing. Northern Rhodesia (Zambia) had already gone Marxist and Southern Rhodesia was having serious problems with border raiders, therefore when Portuguese Angola and Mozambique collapsed to Marxists Rhodesia was fucked on three fronts. Guys like Mugabe (pbuh) only had to filter between borders to be a never-ending pain. Eventually they just had to throw in the towel and talk with ZANU-PF who were initially reasonable but after a while Mugabe (pbuh) got too bitter and cut all ties with Smith and the whites. bad idea because they had all the wealth which is why Zimbabwe is in a parlous state today.
>>85562
funny enough a lot of white rhodesians have come back to their former farms to advise and help run them, but the senile rat fuck still tries to alienate and kick them out.
I hate mugabe, literally and figuratively a total shitter.
>>85612
mugabe good boy
but seriously i respect him for putting his life on the line to fight for freedom for his people. jungle guerilla wars aint easy. however yes he has gotten twisted with the white man hate, but hey he must have seen some shit in the jungle when he was fighting. not everyoen can put the past behind them like mandela did. in fact most people cant. if blacks threw you in prison for 30 years and you got out to become president would you shake their hand now that you ahve the power to have them killed?
>>85612
oh yeah and it would also help if they would stop calling themselves rhodesians. not a good look
