i just noticed that as time passes the most powerful entity in history moves to the west
Interesting observation but any kind of pan-Asian union is impossible. East asians nations detest each other and India/Pakistan/Bangladesh will never unite/work together (mostly Pak and India).
>>529868
This makes no sense
>>529868
>>529889
with "as a whole" I didn't meant united but asia as a continent being the main power in the world. like europe was in the 19th century, it wasn't united but everyone was powerful there. likewise, india, china, indonesia and japan will be powerhouses.
>>529915
>hurr durr i pointed le exception i'm smart ur invalid hahaha
there are some deviations of course but the rule of thumb is the same.
China wasn't the most important part of the world in 5000 BC, there wasn't any back then.
It was, however, throughout medieval.
>>529934
>some deviations
Yes anon. Whole medieval is a deviation. Adms is a big part of ancient history. It doesn't fit your retarded narrative so it's just deviation.
>>529868
It goes with the day instead of against the day
>>529868
Are you saying Americans are superior and in time the people in Asia will become superior and this will go in a full circle?
>>529868
Ignoring the fact that China was absolutely nothing in 5000 BC and that you skipped literally 2000 years of power change between Rome and Western Europe, that seems pretty accurate!
>>529868
China had barely entered the neolithic in 5000 BC.
India was easily eclipsed by Egypt and Mesopotamian civilization in 1000 BC.
This is just plain wrong senpai.
>>529915
Also the Mongols.
I've seen charts showing the movement of the global economic center of mass, which moved northwest with the Industrial Revolution and is moving back southeast as Asian nations industrialise.
>>530094
Hmmmm
That explains (albeit obscurely) why many spiritual/religious doctrines emphasize praying, or looking towards the north. To "see and feel" God and not just see it or just feel it...
>>529934
Dude, with so few data points just a few exceptions completely ruin the trend.
>>529868
Begins the East
Ends in the West
Sunrise/Sunset. Philosophy in nature bruh
>>529889
Lo thy observation peaks interest in the read, yet I daresay god knows any sort of pan-European union is impossible. European nations detest each other and France/Germany/Belgium will never unite/work together (mostly Frah and Germany).
>>530094
sophistry meets shitposting
>>529868
Thats pretty fucking stupid. "Superpowers" are relatively modern. Possibly starting around the 19th but for sure existing in the 20th Century.
Before that, you have no singular global power, just shitloads of regional cunts who had power over their regions. Take one time period for example. From 200 BC to 200 AD China was the big boy of Ancient East Asia, Rome was the big boy of Ancient Europe. Whoever held Persia dictated the middle east, and they all existed at the same time.
>>529868
>ac
>>532003
>Whoever held Persia dictated the middle east, and they all existed at the same time.
Only because middle eastern empires tend to similar borders as they expand, and any that got all the way to persia must have already been quite powerful. With the exception of when persia itself became powerful.
It's not like the persian region was some important location to hold or anything.
>>532022
But that was my point. Everyone occupying Persia always revived the bigass Empire that came along wit
What about the Roman empire, which shifted east as time moved on?
>>529889
>any kind of pan-Asian union is impossible.
no it isn't.
>>532051
Where did it end up, india?
This is true of western civilization but not human civilization. The earliest cities are in the middle east and beat out China in early urban complexity by centuries. Asia got a late start.
Stretched from Iceland to Mesopotomia.
>>532091
kek
>>532065
How would the world be different?
>>529868
>I just encountered Spengler for the first time.
>>532003
The Achaemenid Empire ruled over >40% of the world's population and easily influenced another 20% of the neighboring civilized world. Sure, they had no impact on the few hunter-gatherers and pastoral nomads covering most of the world's landmasses, and in the east China was the main superpower, but I don't know how you can argue that the Soviet Union was a superpower but not Ancient Persia.
Similarly, Han China and the Roman Empire completely dominated the Old World. There were some regions that managed to resist them like India or parts of Sub-Saharan Africa, but they simply played the role of the Third World in that scenario.
>>530094
You should be permanently banned for shilling that shitty pseudo-science site.
>>532116
it wouldn't change much, eventually the others would catch up, fill the same niches, discover the same things and it would look about the same with only superficial differences in culture, art and language, maybe it would take them slightly longer or quicker to progress but that's it
>>532116
Would North Africa get more rain in this scenario?
>people talking about ancient superpowers I haven't even heard of
Is there a book that covers all major civilizations?
>>532237
For the Achaemenids this is the definitive book.
>>532116
Would Sub-Iberia get a colonial empire?
>>532116
Like this.
>>532235
Why would that happen? Fairly sure the wind goes north from africa into europe.
>>532237
>people talking about ancient superpowers I haven't even heard of
Which one? Everyone mentioned ITT is pretty common knowledge.
>>532237
Try this and read up on each one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires#Largest_empires_by_land_area_and_population
Any decent book on world history, including some atlases aimed at children, will introduce you to the major civilizations.
>>532237
This is fairly broad.
>>532255
Why would that happen? Are you saying europe would be nerfed?
>>532116
Here's a better view.
>>529915
>Arabs
>ever being the most powerful entity
Okay, lets break it down:
1500 vChr: Egypt/ Mesopotamia
1400 vChr: Indus Civilization/Egypt
1300 vChr: Egypt
1200 vChr: Egypt
1100 vChr: asyyria
1000 vChr: Babylon
900 vChr: Babylon
800 vChr: Neoassyria
700 vChr: Neoassyria
600 vChr: Media
500 vChr: Persia
400 vChr: Persia
300 vChr: Macedonia
200 Chr: Rome/Han China
100 vChr: Rome/Han
0: Rome
(so it moves into the Middle East, then jumps between Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and Persia, then moves west into Greek and Italy with parallel movements towards China.)
>>532317
rashidun caliphate probably held the top prize for a few decades
>>532352
>so it moves into the Middle East, then jumps between Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and Persia, then moves west into Greek and Italy with parallel movements towards China.
The spread of civilization?
Also what's vChr
>>532352
100: Rome
200: Rome
300: Rome/ Gupta (India)
400: ??? (like China, Rome and India are all in heavy decline)
500: Byzanth
600: Byznth/Persia
700: arab Caliphate
800: Tang Dynasty
900: (Byzanth?)
1000: Song Dynasty
(So it obviously moves back east)
>>529868
lol no
>>532386
>Also what's vChr
BC. Sorry for using the german term.
>>532396
1100: Seljuks
1200: Southern Song
1300: Mongols (Yuan Dynasty)
1400: Timurids/ Ming Dynasty
1500: Mogul Empire/Ottoman Empire
1600: Spain
1700: France
1800: France/GB
1900: GB
2000: Murrika
(it jumps between China and Central asia/Persia; then moves west to Turkey, Europe and North amerika)
>>532454
So the change in geography would have no effect?
>>532317
What about the Umayyad Caliphate?
>>529868
But thats wrong faggot
>>532454
You didn't comment at all on how the counterfactual existence of sub-iberia changes history...
>>529868
>ac
