Saxon Huscarls are criminally underrated. Why?
>>519065
Norman propaganda.
>>519065
because they never became a normie meme like Spartans, Vikings, and Samurai.
dfw no one will ever know how Mamluks rekt the Mongols
>>519065
because noone gives a fuck about your fag heritage.
>>519297
Mamlukes are extremly underrated as well and if you dare to say anything positive at all about ANY middle eastern country, warrior or person they start this ''hurr Islam lover'' bullshit.
>>519306
>your
you seem mentally challenged and should propably kill yourself
>>519306
>he said in English
>>519411
honestly. Ironic since the origin of European Knights come from Sassanian Cataphracts
>>519492
fookin rekt
>>519549
I thought that Franks were the ones that really made knights knights, and not just heavy cavalry
>>519549
>Ironic since the origin of European Knights come from Sassanian Cataphracts
No proof of this whatsoever
Because they are interchangeable with the Scandinavian huscarls and your average person has little knowledge of Anglo-Saxon England.
>>519065
If you'll recall, their country was permanently conquered
>>519549
knights as we know them originated from Normans
>>519696
Anglo culture won, and the kingship is now in Saxon hands
>>519719
>the kingship is now in Saxon hands
>Anglo culture won
>Anglo
>culture
>Saxon
>hands
lel
>>519749
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Windsor
its true, Anglo Saxons had the last laugh
>>519549
and most of the mamluks came from europe
>you will never live in a world where the centralised Saxon kingdom survived up to the modern day without Norman influence damaging its language, administrative structure and courts
>you will never be the local eorldeman of your hundred, meeting for a thing meeting with your fellows to discuss local government
>>519775
>you will never not be cucked by nords
>>519788
wot.
>>519775
Anglo-Saxons were damaged heavily, but we have more than survived as distinct from Franco-Norman taint.
>>519788
>nords
Norse you Skyrim playing retard
and Saxons won most field battles against them
Stern
>>519817
he probably is a Skyrim/M&B fag, but tbf Nord is the German word for Northern
>>519826
wat
There are plenty of underrated warriors throughout history. How many people (apart from the Portuguese) know anything at all about the Lusitani? Yet their prowess was praised by everyone from Diodorus Siculus to Appian.
>>519771
Mamluks were mostly of Turkic origin
>>519411
Aoe2
>>519065
because the battle of hastings proved that they were ultimately shit. the norman victory proved that knights were superior, therefore leading to the middle ages :^)
>>520414
>tfw winning all the Saladin and Saracen El Cid levels by massing Mamluks and machine-swording the enemy forces to death
>>520447
Hastings and the outcome of the Norman invasion of England had more to do with it than just "housecarls vs knights".
It's obvious to anyone who thinks about military campaigns.
>>519769
There hasn't been a french English King in over 500 years
>>519549
>Ironic since the origin of European Knights come from Sassanian Cataphracts
No they don't. Please die.
>>519065
The housecarls were Scandinavian senpai
>>521431
But how many times were they folded?
>>520447
yet vikings who lost majority of battles are badass
how is that so?
>>521431
not the Saxon ones retard
>>522023
>>522028
why the fuck would Norse housecarls work for Saxons instead of joining Great Heathen Army?
>>522035
Scandies have a habbit of melding into the locals.
>>522035
This was two centuries after the Great Heathen Army desu senpai
>>522023
Huscarl is literally Huskarl, Ie Houseman.
The fucking name is scandinavian
>>522056
Norsemen were sucking cocks and got rekt by Saxons that's all
>>522095
>Cnut the Great conquers England and brings over 3000 housecarls
>1000 years later edgy /pol/tard jerks off over "saxon" housecarls
>>520845
my ":^)" face indicated I was joking senpai.
>>522097
Most of Harold's huscarls would have been from Wessex, so, yes. The concept is Scandinavian but the guys would have been Saxon.
>>522110
>"The term housecarl, then, should be interpreted as a general one for members of one's household"
from the very same book
Why would members of the Earl of Wessex's household be Danes?
>>522121
This, housecarl is literally an old norse word for a member of a household. Its just a title. The Serbian and Bulgarian Empires had a title called Sebastokrator, doesn't mean that the Sebastokrator's were Byzantine Greeks.
>>522121
Why wouldn't they?
>>522137
Because there weren't many Danes in Wessex?
>>522141
And the few that were, were housecarls. Or did they only have Norse names because the Saxons admired vikings so much?
>>519899
WE
WUZ
>>522147
>And the few that were, were housecarls
There's no logical reason for this unless Danes were some sort of superhuman warriors that were immeasurably preferable to Saxons in every way
>>522150
You still haven't addressed the fact that virtually all of them had Norse names. If the Roman Emperor had a personal bodyguard of Norsemen, it doesn't seemed too farfetched that English rulers would too.
>>522161
>You still haven't addressed the fact that virtually all of them had Norse names
Read the source you've cherry-picked your picture from. Those described as landowning Housecarls in Domesday Book are predominantly Danish in name.
This tells us absolutely nothing about the composition of Harold Godwinson's household guard.
>>522161
I have to agree with this guy. It's possible that the Norsemen segregated themselves as a distinct caste which happened to serve as warriors. It reminds me of the gallowglass in ireland who were basically norse-scottish clans who served as warriors for centuries there.
>>522168
>It's possible that the Norsemen segregated themselves as a distinct caste which happened to serve as warriors
Then why do we have literally no record of this whatsoever
>>522178
I was only going off the quote that the guy posted that a majority of saxon huscarls had old norse names.
>>522407
In Domesday Book, which post-dates the Conquest.
You could just as easily explain that by saying "all the Saxon housecarls died at Harold's side", it's all conjecture.
>>522412
>In Domesday Book, which post-dates the Conquest.
ahh, gotcha. that's what you meant by him misrepresenting the quote.
Why are vikingboos so retarded?
>hurr Saxon huscarls were Norse!
Were Mongols Norsemen as well?
What a nigger tier revisionism.
>>519842
Nord is also used in Norway, Denmark and Sweden and nordur in Iceland
>>519775
Language isn't as damaged as you think.
Behold, Anglo Saxon that's perfectly understandable to a Modern English speaker.
Hwǣr nū ðæt hors and se rīdend?
Hwǣr is se horn blōwende?
Hwǣr is se helm and sēo byrne,
and ðæt beorhte hǣr flōwende?
Hwǣr is sēo hand on ðǣm hearpsestrenge,
and ðæt rēade fȳr glōwende?
Hwǣr is lencten, and hærfest,
and se langa corn grōwende?
Þæs oferēode eall,
Swā swā regn on ðǣm beorge,
Swā swā wind on þǣre mǣd;
Þā dagas sindon gesigen west,
behindan hyllum,
intō sceadu.
>>523455
Is that from LOTR?
WE WUZ VIKINGZ AND SHIT
>>523468
http://producer.csi.edu/cdraney/2011/278/resources/Tolkien%20-%20The%20Monsters%20and%20the%20Critics.pdf
>>523468
Yes. Though you could say that Tolkien purposely chose Saxon words (since it was based on the Saxon poem The Wanderer), the point still stands to show just how similar ordinary usage of modern English is to Old English.
>>523478
>the Saxon poem The Wanderer
Thanks anon, I just looked it up and it's great.
>>523498
Saxon poetry is fucking outstanding. Very morose and full of woe, but it seems to be very powerful with it.
The Ruin is another great example of this. Made even more appropriate by the end of the poem being damaged in a fire.
Anyone with an interest in Anglo Saxon culture sees the Cotton Library fire as their own Alexandria.
>>519297
>mameluks rekt mongolians
you mean when baibars brought a much larger army than the mongols? the mongols army had to split because of inhertiance issues.
mongols were superior on the field, it's just that they had shitty and unstable failed state
>>523879
>le side I prefer didn't really lose because *insert reason they lost*
There are always reason why one side loses.
Mamluks won multiple battles against the Mongols- and the victory at Ain Jalut is accredited to the Mamluks using feigned retreats.
>>522945
false
>>523455
>Hwǣr nū ðæt hors and se rīdend?
>Hwǣr is se horn blōwende?
>Hwǣr is se helm and sēo byrne,
>and ðæt beorhte hǣr flōwende?
>Hwǣr is sēo hand on ðǣm hearpsestrenge,
>and ðæt rēade fȳr glōwende?
>Hwǣr is lencten, and hærfest,
>and se langa corn grōwende?
>Þæs oferēode eall,
>Swā swā regn on ðǣm beorge,
>Swā swā wind on þǣre mǣd;
>Þā dagas sindon gesigen west,
>behindan hyllum,
>intō sceadu.
Can somebody transliterate?
I can understand most of these word,s but the characters are fucking with me.
>>525408
>>Hwǣr nū ðæt hors and se rīdend?
Where now the horse and it riding
>>Hwǣr is se horn blōwende?
Where is the horn and it blowing
>>Hwǣr is se helm and sēo byrne,
Where is the helm and it (burning?)
>>and ðæt beorhte hǣr flōwende?
and the (bright?) hair flowing
>>Hwǣr is sēo hand on ðǣm hearpsestrenge,
Where is the hand on the harpstring
>>and ðæt rēade fȳr glōwende?
And the (red?) fire Glowing
>>Hwǣr is lencten, and hærfest,
Where is ????, and harvest
>>and se langa corn grōwende?
And the long corn growing
>>Þæs oferēode eall,
They are all over???
>>Swā swā regn on ðǣm beorge,
As rain on the mountains
>>Swā swā wind on þǣre mǣd;
as wind on the meadow
>>Þā dagas sindon gesigen west,
The days have gone west
>>behindan hyllum,
Behind the (clouds?)
>>intō sceadu.
into Shadow
Based as fuck poem 2bh, I know I've seen it before somewhere. I think Tolkien used it in Lord of the Rings too.
>WE WUZ ANGLO-SAXONZ N SHIT
why won't this romantic meme die? the germanic contribution imto britain is only significant around york. germanic culture, but not germanic blood.
>>525618
lol
>>525462
se/seo
Isn't this she?
>>Hwǣr is lencten, and hærfest,
Where is ????, and harvest
Lent?
>>525408
>>525462
Where now is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the deadwood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?
>>525462
That is from Tolkien, The actual poem he based it off, or the excerpt, goes like this;
Where is the horse now? Where is the rider?
Where is the gold-giver?
Where is the seat at the gathering?
Where now are the feasts in the halls?
Alas for the gleaming cup!
Alas the mailed warrior!
Alas for the prince’s pride!
How that age has passed,
Dark under night-helm,
As though it never were!
Now there stands at last
Where were the dear host,
A wall wondrous high
Wound with serpents.
The warriors were taken
By the spear’s glory,
Weapons ripe for kill,
Fame of the fated;
These cliffs of stone
Storms batter,
Falling frost
Earth fetters,
Promise of winter;
Then comes darkness,
Night-shadows deepens,
From the north descend
Fierce hail.
>>520035
>circassian
>laristani
>georgian
>abkhazian
>all these are turks
>yfw
>>519771
During the Ottoman Empire, sure.
But for most of history, Mamluks were from Central Asia. Turkics usually. Since the Caliphates needed competent cavalry and the Turkics had loads of them.
>>526045
>Sauce?
The Anglo Saxon poem The Wanderer.
>>525702
He and She is 'hē' and 'hēo'.
>>521201
Plenty of Scottish and German ones tho.
>>525618
>germanic culture, but not germanic blood.
>Implying blood matters.
>>525702
>>525462
>lencten
I'm guessing it means spring, as it fits the context of harvest and looks extremely similar to the Dutch 'lente', which is also closely related to Anglo Saxon because both have a part Frisian.
Fun fact, the old Frisians where Christened by mainly Anglo-Saxon missionaries because they spoke a language so similar that they could just convert/preach in dialogue without the need for translators and such.
>>519413
>you
Fuck thouself desu
>>528653
Thyself faggot
Yes, and the Aryan "Master race" is criminally overrated.
>>519065
because they lost. even the ones that joined the byzantine varangian guard ended up getting wrecked by a different group of normans based out of italy
>>523517
Saxon "poetry"
>>523455
Let me take a stab
>Hwǣr nū ðæt hors and se rīdend?
How is that horse ??? And ridden?
>Hwǣr is se horn blōwende?
How is the horn blown?
>Hwǣr is se helm and sēo byrne,
How is the helmet and ??? Worn?
>and ðæt beorhte hǣr flōwende?
And that ??? Is flowing?
Not doing any more, this is tough
>>531148
Vikings also lost yet they are shilled.
