How did this happen? How come the Greek cities look like this while Turkish cities look like that? What would have caused for one looking better and being taken care of better than the other? I mean Greece's economy has always been better, always supported from the outside, been in the EU and has lots of money while Turkey has had economic problems the whole time due to hostile neighbours and embargoes and yet Turkey manages to look better than its wealthy neighbour.
looks dont come from wealth. istanbul appears to have a lower hight for most buildings , with religious monuments being the tallest. the athens on the other hand has no variation. this could be one reason for the difference.
>>51715
Athens is pretty nice up-close.
>t.Greek
>>51715
Because Istanbul is an ancient old city that survived and developed through the ages while modern Athens was just built starting during the 19th century
>>52289
Pic related, Athens was a mere village in 1830, Istanbul remained a major metropolis for millenia
>>52397
>That's even worse because Istanbul's buildings would have to be demolished and rebuilt
Rebuilt by a huge empire building on the foundations of another huge empire.
Meanwhile Greece was poor and irrelevant as shit when they had to build Athens up from nothing.
>>52948
The buildings in Istanbul look modern, they don't look like they were built hundreds of years ago. Turkey was extremely poor until more recent years too.
>>51715
The only good looking part of Athens is around the Parthenon at night but the rest of the city looks like shit
>>51715
> ages of Ottoman occupation
> years of civil war
> followed by shitty socialist rulers who can't manage shit
> and now German and northern bankers fuck them over with playing games with their stupid debt
>>52289
Istanbul was once Constantinople.. and it wasn't just the business of the Turks.
Constantinople was the capital of the Byzantine Empire. And then, after they loss of the Christian empire and its power, the Ottoman Empire kept it as a major metropolitan city.
bumping for more info
>>51715
Because that's a very flattering picture of Istanbul, and a very unflattering picture of part of Athens. OP, you should look into the fact that there are parts of Istanbul, large swathes of it on the European side, that look exactly like Athens.
The situation is so bad in fact that the Turks are demolishing these buildings and having to put up entire neighborhoods because the buildings aren't up to standard. You may want to do more than base your opinion of two cities (and the countries they're in) from one photo.
>>56471
>very unflattering picture of part of Athens
you can't really show Athens looking good unless you're showing the Parthenon, Istanbul looks better in every which way.
Don't forget Istanbul is a giant city expanding quite a long way around with 18 million people with only 14 million people actually being residents of the city and even so Istanbul looks good from practically every angle, looks proper.
>>51715
Athens hasn't been relevant for a millennia, Istanbul has been a major economic center up until today.
>>53021
>Turkey was extremely poor until more recent years too.
Istanbul wasn't
it was and still is one of the wealthiest cities in Europe
its why Ataturk didn't make it the capitol
>>57325
It's only becoming wealthy now, it wasn't wealthy before, it was really poor, even in the 90s Istanbul was still a shit hole. Istanbul now has a strong economy but so does all of Greece and yet their capital looks terrible
>>54584
>>> and now German and northern bankers fuck them over with playing games with their stupid debt
no they didn't, Greeks fucked up on their own
>>51805
wealth pays for planning and building
>>51715
Athens is the Capital of Greece. Hence it gets lot of development.
Meanwhile, Istanbul isn't, its Shitkara. Istanbul is just culturally relevant.
>>59775
Ankara looks perfectly okay and nicely developed
>>59818
eh....
could look better; with more organization
>>59917
I can't put my finger on it..
that pic makes it look kinda hard to navigate
but that's just my opinion
How badly was Istanbul sacked by the Ottomans?
>>59962
its actually fine, ankara is on a mountainous terrain so maybe you're getting confused by that but the roads are actually good
>>59970
why does that matter?
You will find Athens way more fascinating / beautiful if you walk down the streets.
Aerial pics do no justice to her.
>>51715
this is /int/ tier
>>57325
Ankara was the commanding center of the independence war
Now if you want a better comparison, compare athens with ankara
>both poor as shit irrelevant villages
>built with 0 money
And about Istanbul being sacked, Istanbul was already fucked, there was nothing left
>>60664
And now Ankara looks fantastic proper and organised especially in comparison to Athens which looks really run down and fucked.
>>60743
I dont understand where all greek money goes, corruption? Pensioners?
>>60834
Weapons
>>60896
>yfw the only reason greece has conscription is because of turkey
>>60960
its funny because both are nato
but its no joke, turkey is not a puppy, greece should defend its territorial waters against turkish agression
The Ottomans had a sense of aristocracy that the greeks have lacked ever since it was christianized, and were pretty much the sole heirs of the golden age of islam after it ended.
note that I am probably talking out of my ass though that goes for the vast majority of the posts on this board
>>60587
This is a history board right?
>>57325
>in Europe
>>61020
Was becoming Christian something adverse to the development of Greeks?
>>61034
Istanbul straddles Europe and Asia.
>>61060
becoming Christian is an adverse development to anything, but then I am a giant Nietzsche fanboy
but I just chose the christening of greece as a cut-off point from antiquity really
>>59970
It was called Constantinople then and they annexed it so I guess um very badly sacked?
>>59970
not that bad, actually. Mehmed only allowed his soldiers to loot for three days (considered merciful by the standard of the day) and restored property to citizens that had abandoned the city before its siege. Some of the worst stuff, in the eyes of Christians, was the conversion of churches to mosques and the painting-over of their icons.
Daily reminder that this is how most of Istanbul looks like and it stretches on for kilometers
>>61080
they really stopped developing or doing anything and became shitter and shitter
>>61103
>Mehmed only allowed his soldiers to loot for three days (considered merciful by the standard of the day)
It was 3 days because it was according to islamic tradition.
And the lootings stopped after 1 day.
>>61107
That looks pretty good especially considering the population is around 18 million people
>>61147
>a concrete jungle of meh looking commie flats
>looks pretty good
that's like just your opinion man
>>61107
Yeah of course. Where should people live without those flats? Most of Turkey lives in Istanbul so it's natural that there are so many apartments.
>>61156
Athens has a population of ~600 thousand, Istanbul has 18 million, it makes sense that there are these buildings but at least they don't look like shit, they look fine. They don't look aesthetically disturbing do you? unlike the way Athens looks it looks pretty nice, plus it's all in the outskirts of Istanbul rather than in the city.
>>61156
What's your solution then fuckwad?
>>61156
>concrete jungle
>sunny, bright colors, lots of trees
Compared to northern commieblocks it looks like a fucking vacation
Athens is pretty much a graffiti ridden whole, something you would find in a third world country.
>>61107
I like that there are areas around it that have nothing build on them. I doubt it's designed for recreational purposes, but at least you can go into the hills and stuff. Better than pic. At least you could go somewhere to run/read/chill.
>>61129
did not know, thanks
>>61288
allowing those hideous apartments would make LA look third world. Are the numerous parks in LA county and the San Gabriel mountains not good enough for you?
fucking CFIDF....
I'm not talking about the utilitarian aspect of commie flats, just their aesthetic value.
Also, >>61184
Athens has a population of 3-4 million, depending on metro/urban areas.
>>61343
I don't know man, Istanbul even far from the centre looks pretty cozy
>>61520
honestly, the only difference I see between your pic and OP's Athens pic is the usage of tiled roofs in Istanbul.
I'll admit it does add a certain critical aesthetic factor when viewed from above, but from the streets it's not as obvious.
>>61709
When you see the picture of Athens and look at the picture I just posted you'd think one is a cozy winter town in Europe and the other is a 3rd world country really
Nice cherry picking, Mehmed
>>61520
That looks like shit. Have you ever been to a nice looking city?
>>61730
It's all about the angles magne
>>51715
Great cherry picking Mehmet, pic related is also Istambul
>>61730
Yeah, Turkey being a 3rd world country
>cozy winter town
>mosques everywhere
Turks are pathetic, here have some more Ankara.
>>57325
>its why Ataturk didn't make it the capitol
turk here.
he didn't make Istanbul a capital because it was very easy to conquer it with just a navy. canakkale was a very hard fought battle.
brits took it over after ww1.
Ankara on the other hand is very deep inland, so there is a better opportunity to defend it if there's an invasion.
Ataturk was very suspicious of the West. Many people forget this. It's the reason we had retarded laws that banned purchase of land by foreigners until recently.
>>61873
Don't forget that they're way outside of the city where no one even sees them
>>61873
>>61885
>Our cities are totally great looking just ignore all the 3rd world shitholes in them and only look at carefully selected picture
>>61873
>you can't really show Athens looking good unless you're showing the Parthenon
I dunno, this looks okay
>>61916
>posts a picture where 90% of the picture is taken up by the water and some trees
>>61916
I already explained that these are slum houses built illegally by Kurds but are already being demolished and being replaced by apartment buildings. These pictures are old.
>>61930
>pictures that aren't just a mess of buildings look nicer
Well whopteedo, now you can see why OP's pic as well as 90% of pics of Istanbul are of the Golden Horn area.
>>61946
yeah yeah, I actually walked through some of these newer developments and to me they're almost nicer than Beyoglu, but you quoted the wrong guy :^)
>>61946
>It's the Kurds
>they're slums so they're not part of OUR city
Top lel, don't play dumb turk, you know full well what a Gecekondu is and the fact Turkey is full of them.
You're like Brasil, you can show off pretty sky scrapers and the centre of town, but everyone know the majority of it is shit and most people live like shit on 50 bucks a month.
>>61968
Istanbul looks fantastic from pretty much every angle
>>61994
>It's the Kurds
If you read the history of rural migration of Turkey you'd understand. The Kurds now make up around 3 million of Istanbul's population.
Btw you keep posting the same slum houses from different angles and as I said slum houses are being demolished and replaced by other buildings. It's all being gentrified.
>>61997
honestly, this looks terrible to me
>>61997
What about the angles that include the hideous walls of commieblocks
>>62037
that photos quality and filter would make any place look shitty.
>>62057
yeah, I'm sure it must be the Kurdish camera or something :^)
>>62032
Sure it is, turkfag, you're totally not a 3rd world shithole
>the delusions
I like those tears. Here, have some more Istanbuml.
No, I'm not posting the same slum houses from different angles.
>>62037
That's not an approved angle. Only >>61997 is, you can tilt the camera to the side a bit though.
there's something about minarets, especially the turkish thin ones, that makes their cities look aesthetically pleasing
i've also been to a lot of other countries, including the muslim ones, but all the other minarets are too fat/large.
>>62075
>Kurdish camera or something :^)
what does that even mean? The only thing that looks bad in this picture are all the clothes hanging out, the colour looks saturated due to shitty camera quality too
>>62083
>still posting the same hill
At least the city in general looks great instead of just one bad hill unlike in Athens where it all looks terrible. Also those slum houses are gone already
>>61156
>>62083
Athens is the ugly concrete jungle here. You see the Turks had success and with the success they demolished ugly buildings and built new better looking houses while the Greeks built shit houses despite being very wealthy and now Greeks live in a shitty concrete jungle while the Turkish concrete jungle looks very aesthetic to the eye. Pic related is Athens.
>>62119
>same hill
Oh, the same hill in Ankara is also located in Istanbul?
>At least the city in general looks great instead of just one bad hill unlike in Athens where it all looks terrible. Also those slum houses are gone already
Literally the only part of Istambul that looks "great" is the Greek part.
>>62119
>city in general looks great
Why do you post a pic that doesn't look great at all, then? Jebus Christ, you Ahmeds are delusional af.
>>62167
No it was the same slum I even googled it. It's all the same damn spot.
>Greek part.
There's only like one building from the Greeks there the rest is all Turkish.
>>62176
Looks fine
>>62217
>No it was the same slum I even googled it. It's all the same damn spot.
>literally lying to save pride
Kek
>>51715
>cherrypicking wars
so his is literally int without flags
>>63367
it was a serious question about development but it turned into cherry picking
>>63444
you posted a bait pic though, for example here's bosporus without the cute HDR effects
>>51715
The secret is that Turks are the heirs of Rome and "Greeks" are just some Slavs.
>>63507
and here's a panorama of athens with water and sky instead of OP's photo
to have an equal comparison
>>63507
That looks really nice but it looks foggy
>>63567
this picture looks too low quality to tell anything
meanwhile in the officially the most beautiful city in the world(rome)
>>63578
it looks real, unlike the original filtered photo
>>63591
it's the same quality as OP, why didn't you complain then
double standards
>>63635
It looks beautiful this way I think. Istanbul really does look incredible. Where is the picture taken from?
>>63660
part of the bosporus strait?
>>63647
I'm not the one who claimed that it was now an "equal comparison"
>>63689
I see this is a troll thread
I got int for that cya
The main problem with this thread is that most people have a completely inaccurate perception of the world and have no idea what happens outside their local region. Westerners overrate their own cities and underrated most others, except foreign ones that are mystified in some way within their culture. People who think that Greece is some idyllic utopia with columns, brave warriors and philosophers need to wake up from their philhellene wet dream. It's not the cradle of Western civilisation, just like Romulus and Remus weren't actually raised by wolves.
>>51715
It's all about the economic flow generated by the city. Sure Greece until recently had a stromger economy but that doesn't mean that Athens was an economic center. Instanbul however, is a huge trading and economic center not just for Turkey but as a trading center for goods and commerce between Europe and Asia. Also the turkish political system is very corrupt, corrupt governments love nothing more than to make their cities and sites extremely beautiful because beauty seems to give the illusion of stability and prosperity
take this shit thread to /int/ you filthy turk/greekroach
>>63600
That's Naples, not Rome, just because an inscription in the back says "Roma" does not make it Rome.
It's literally the first pic when you google "Naples Trash"
>>51715
Most of the buildings in athens are 20-30 years old.
At the 80s houses in greece like these in OP's pic were the most cheap and big to fit a lot of people in them.
But as times passed they didn't changed the housing design cause the money went elsewhere.
>>65564
Plus during the 80-90s there was a big migration in athens from all of the parts of greece and a lot of houses where needed for that.
>>51715
As a Greek I can tell you that Athens is the shittiest city in Greece. Literally any city in Greece is more beautiful than Athens. Athens is nice for visiting museums, the Parthenon and the night life. After the 60's because everybody from the country moved to the city to get a job and because of the cheap housing, the entire city became a concrete nightmare. Apart from that Thessaloniki is 200x better.
>>61860
We were talking about capital cities though. All countries have shit areas. Greece just so happens to have a capital that is.
>>65657
Ankara is the capital city of Turkey
>you
>not a tard
pick one
>>65678
nice meme!
![horrorexo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GjBqhAG.jpg "horrorexo[1].jpg")
>>65650
dont kid yourself, they are the same.
I blame the fucking civil engineers during the 60's and 70's and the incompetent goverments we had that failed to preserve the old Archontika.
Thessaloniki would be the most beautiful city in eastern europe if they had not tore them down to biuld commie blocks.
Ottomans in a nutshell:
>mongolian filth from the steppes that become keks and take up a moon religion that isn't even theirs
>can't build their own great city, have to capture the (already weakened and mostly abandoned) Constantinople, and they can't even accomplish it with force, have to resort to bribing the guards
>turn the greatest city in the world into a slum in a few decades
Constantinople back in Christian hands best day of my life.
>>65823
i want /pol/ to LEAVE
>>65887
I want Tumblr/Reddit to DIE
>>65823
>you will never be the man that places the explosives in the ugly minarets the muslims build outside of Hagia Sofia
>you will never participate in the first liturgy of Hagia Sofia in over 600 years, with a rifle in your shoulder and a cross in your uniform
why even live?
>>65887
Are you a sandman?
>>63367
>expecting history discussion betwren Greeks and Turks
you should know that these never end well
>>65823
Istanbul isn't a slum. Most of what you said didn't really make sense or lead anywhere either. The city is still glorious to this day.
>>61107
Looks pretty classy.
>>61080
>becoming Christian is an adverse development to anything
Educate yourself, please.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/catholicism-protestantism-and-capitalism/
As a Greek, Athens is a complete and utter shithole, I'm even telling my /pol/ friends to avoid it like the plague, unless they are visiting for a couple of days to see the old stuff.
