It is hard to describe Christianity without ascribing it to any specific religious and ritualistic practice.
Many people call it a path, a way to life, not a religion.
The Early Church is likely the early assemblies of people who gathered in Yeshua's name, and is also likely to have existed before Christ came about. Matthew 23 is a great example about Yeshua and His take on the Pharisees and the religious leaders at the time and brought about a reformation to Israel, and the redemption and salvation of sins.
What do we know about Yeshua?
>and Yeshua went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner kf sickness, and all manner of disease among the people Matthew 4:23
He is known for teaching in synagogues and healing the sick.
>and He came out of the grave after His resurrection and went into the Holy city and appeared unto many Matthew 27:53
Christians believe in the death and resurrection of Christ and also follow the teachings He left behind as they are alive with us today
What about the teachings?
> "And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” Mark 11:25
The hardest idea to understand is love and forgiveness to those who cause us trouble.
Christ says "follow me"
> "Those who serve me must follow me. My servants will be with me wherever I will be. If people serve me, the Father will honor them." John 12:26
Servants can be synonymous with disciple.
God bless. Let's have a good thread.
>Yeshua said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
Mentioned this in another thread, Yeshua says that He is the Way. No one goes to the Father but through Him. He tells us to love nothing but the truth, and that He is the life.
>"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matthew 3:2
This is pretty much to say that when we repent our sins, we begin the process to purify ourselves, which is one of the key qualities in establishing a relationship between us and God.
Just a few more ideas of where thread might go.
So whatever denomination you are, or not, not here to discuss theology as much as the wisdom and basic teachings of Yeshua.
It is important to understand that the Gospels are more about the teachings of Christ rather than a full synopsis of His life. We merely only get a glimpse of Yeshua's wisdom in the Gospel from when He is baptized and after the Crucifixion.
>Behold, a virgin shall be with child, an shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel which is being interpreted "God is with us"
God is with us!
The Gospel is only a piece of what we experience when we establish or re-establish our eternal connection to the Father.
So ITT, let's talk about the teachings of Christ, who teaches us the Way to God, and teaches us useful practice in the face of adversity and affliction.
>>621923
>For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. Romans 8:5-6
It is easy to be overcome by worldly desire, in fact many teachings of today encourage indulgence.
Mindfulness of the spirit of things here is obviously preferred.
>A glad heart makes a cheerful face, but by sorrow of heart the spirit is crushed. Proverbs 15:13
Why not say Jesus?
>>624588
They didn't have a letter J back then in Hebrew and in Greek or Latin I'm pretty sure there is Iesus with an "I" ey-sus or Spanish "hayzus"
>The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14
From the persepctive of someone who does not partake in spirituality it is obviously hard to understand as to why anyone would want to live a spiritual lifestyle, having admiration for God.
For the spiritually understood, it wouldn't make any sense to not accept the graces given to us by God.
>>625068
The Greek word for Jesus is pronounced as "eeaysoos." When "eeaysoos" was transliterated into the English long ago, it became Jesus--the term we use in English today.
Yeshua, Jesus, both names are solved when you call Him "Christ"
Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:58
>For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. John 3:17
So it isn't about being "trapped" into spirituality but so your soul will find its place with God.
>So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31
What does Jesus say in regards to human suffering?
>>621923
>jesus: lol jump off the boat its fine the water is really shallow
>guy: ok jesus ill beleive you oh shit im drowning
>jesus: hahaha idiot
>people on boat: jesus ur a dick
>>622191
>jesus: oh yeah baby jesus this is some fine modern wheat
>jesus: also im a socialist i just forgot my hammer with my carpentry tools
>>628647
>I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
Know it isn't much at first, but the world and the spirit are if two natures, and the world in the Bible and the Gospels are usually a reference to suffering.
Many people are suffering in tribulation, which is the war against the spirit, in which the nature of the world tries to overcome.
Not that nature and the world are inherit with evil, but it is important to understand the nature of the Holy Spirit rather than the mundane world, which is full of suffering, or tribulations which is also the persecution of righteousness.
Nice to see a thread like this.
Want to encourage some of my brothers and sisters on here with this.
>“Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing” (1 Thessalonians 5:11)
Stay strong in the faith, and be lifted up, friends.
>>628658
> He got up, rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, "Silence! Be still!" The wind ceased, and there was a great calm (Mark)
There is a part where Yeshua tells His disciples that they have little faith because they thought the boat was gonna fall into the sea and they wake Him up and He's stops the winds.
>>628663
> answering He said, "It has been written: 'The man shall live not by bread alone, but by every word coming out ofthemouth of God.'" (Matthew)
Another part He mentions "it isn't just about the bread" even after He makes one piece of bread many pieces of bread which He is the first bread, and we are the pieces that come after.
>>628710
Thank you!
Here are the next two verses after that.
>Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who work hard among you, who care for you in the Lord and who admonish you.
>Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.
Hold them in the highest regard... Live in peace..
>>628736
>"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."
>"Woe to you experts in the law! You have taken away the key of knowledge! You didn't go in yourselves, and you hindered those who were going in."Luke 11:52
Would you believe that people are hiding the truth from us? They cannot enter, but they hinder those who wish to do so.
Someone settle this argument between my grandmother and myself: did Jesus drink wine? She said he was a Nazarene and it was against their whatever to drink. She said he also didn't make water into wine, but something else. She said it was because of a Greek or Aramaic word, so I don't completely know.
Help.
>>629695
I'm not sure
>Now on the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there and both Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine ran out, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no wine left.” 4 Jesus replied, “Woman, why are you saying this to me? My time has not yet come.”
Appearantly He wasn't "ready" to do miracles but honors Mary's request
>I say to you that I shall not drink again from this fruit of the vine until the day in which I shall drink it with you new in the Kingdom of my Father.”
I'm sure He might have but again, the Gospel is primarily about teachings not His whole life story so, I'm sure He didn't drink frequently haha.. most spiritual practices deal with not drinking, or partaking in strong amounts of drink
>>629695
John 2:3 also, the word in Greek for wine is oinou which shows up twice in that sentence.
>>621923
>A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher. Luke 6:40
How to deal with covetousness, friends? I'm 27, never been in a relationship and I'm filled with envy over married couples at my church.
"If only I was married to X. My life would be so much better"
>>631349
Don't forget Zoroastrianism.
>tfw you built your house upon the rock
>>631539
>And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Luke 12:15
Notice at the end where it says "life doesn't consist of abundance in possesions". So, obviously the Gospel always mentions spiritual natured God over the desires of the material world. As for coveting someone else's wife, it is good to know that someone else's "possessions" are not your own.
>But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Ephesians 5:3
Putting these away will help you grow spiritually. God has a plan for us, and in the mean time we must always make use for efficient practice.
It is different to want someone who is without a man, but it is very different to want someone who is already in a committed relationship.
>So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. 1 Peter 2:1
This envy can cause another suffering.
>Simply say yes or no. Anything more than that comes from the evil one. Matthew 5:37
Instead of "I will only be happy IF I get this" and "I will only do this IF I get that" just do for the sake of doing, not "Yes, because...." just a plain "yes" or a plain "no"
That is how you don't set up too many expectations and give to others without conditions.
Hope it helps anon, God bless you
>>631349
>>631614
Intetesting.
Zoroasterianism is of a cosmic deity Ahura Mazda that is the source of all truth and benevolence. This deity is constantly at war with the force of Angra Mainyu and the supernatural forces of evil.
It is very obvious this idea is everywhere, but it also preaches a final Saviour.
The problem with calling Christianity polytheistic is that you have to understand that the Hebrews were constantly being taken captive in Egypt, and in Babylon, and in Assyria. It is very likely some real Jews mixed in with these cultures at some point but this is Old Testament BCE stuff.
True Christianity is monotheistic. There is an accusation against the Roman Catholic Chruch and the Vatican as being polytheistic for worship of the saints and the people who are set up to rule religious establishments.
>>631624
There is nothing like a good parable to think about.
>Everyone therefore who hears these my words, and does them, will be likened to the wise man who built his house on solid rock.
Christ is the rock
> the rain descended and the floods came and the wind blew, and they rushed against the house and it did not fall, for its foundation was laid on solid rock.
The rains and the flood are the struggles
> And everyone who hears these my words, but does not practice them, will be likened to the foolish man who built his house on sand.
To think we can be seperate from God is like building a house upon the sand.
>And the rain descended and the floods came, and the wind blew, and they rushed against that house, and it fell, and its fall was great.”
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>>631349
Based Marduk
>>631986
>True Christianity is monotheistic.
Well, kind of, apart from that incovenient Trinity that no one can really explain.
>>632015
father, son and holy spirit are all different aspects of god.
inb4 you were just baiting.
>>632032
>>632015
The Trinity is simple.
It is 3 aspects of 1 God.
The Father, is the original beginning, the first, before the first, and is all knowing. The Father knows the true creation, the deeds of all individuals, what is to come, who His true people are, etc. The Father is God.
The Son, is to say "I believe that Christ incarnated on this Earth about 2000 years ago, and teaches us the Way to the Father, because Christ IS the Way to the Father". Without Him, how would we get to the Highest and Most Eternal place of Heaven? We believe the Father and the Son are of the same essence and only slightly different in quality.
The Holy Spirit is in the Father, and in the Son. The Holy Spirit is what Christ leaves behind after death. We can take refuge in the Holy Spirit. Rather than dwell in lower states of being, to begin to reach the highest is walking towards the Holy Spirit. All beings have a soul that is searching for the Holy Spirit and can connect to it.
>>632027
A monotheistic God is one being. Having three separate beings as God and then calling them one God is not explained by describing them as "aspects".
There is not a scholar in two thousand years of Christianity that has ever seriously managed to reconcile this. Even Aquinas just ascribed it to being a mystery.
http://www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/intro/aquinas.htm#A2
>>632052
They aren't seperate beings. You don't need a scholar to reconcile a spiritual dispute you have to search it out for yourself.
It is a mystery, sure, 3 different things being the same? But God isn't a one-dimensional being, remember that, His whole essence is Definately more complex than Father Son and Holy Spirit, and beyond and more intricate than that, but the Trinity explains the basic beliefs of Christian thought.
>>632015
Unitarians are partly satanists. Just look at the Jews and Wahabis, who in reality worship worldly power and wealth. Their drive for perfect monotheism has driven them to be blind to the nature of God, which can be best understood by the human mind through the Trinity.
>>632045
So are you trying to say that Jesus was just a part of God rather than fully God?
Is the Father not fully God and just a part of God?
>>632063
>They aren't seperate beings.
So Jesus is not a being?
The Father is not a being?
>It is a mystery
At least you are admitting it.
>You don't need a scholar to reconcile a spiritual dispute you have to search it out for yourself.
The question is whether it makes sense, not whether you can tell yourself a blatantly nonsensical concept makes sense and convincing yourself based on "spirituality".
>>632064
Even Sunni Sufis, Alevis, and Shi'as recognize some form of Trinity.
>>632066
That's not what I'm saying at all. They are all full qualities and fully God just different ways of God revealing Himself.
>>632075
They are being/beings. It makes plenty of sense if you are a Christian. If you are religious and not a Christian, the Father, God being original would make sense, most religions accept God, and the Holy Spirit, would be the goal, because religion usually deals with holiness, spirituality, afterlife, and release of the world that brings us distress when we do not ask for it. Christ is the Way to understanding so much more than what we just see in some pages of a Gospel, because we experience God in our own reality.
>>632121
Jesus is fully God, not a 'way of God revealing himself'. You are blaspheming your own religion.
The Holy Spirit is fully God, not a 'goal' you are blaspheming your own religion.
>>632131
It isn't blasphemy haha:
Christ is fully God and is the Way to God.
The Holy Spirit is fully God and is the goal of to all of us who seek it.
>>632144
>Christ is fully God and is the Way to God.
If you can't even grasp that is nonsensical comment then I don't know what to say. It's like saying the path to my house is God, in and of itself, fully God. Oh it's also the way to my house because my house is God, in and itself, fully God.
>>632163
>Yeshua said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
God is revealed in many ways.
The way to your house is the way to your house, and the house is a house.
However, is God on the way to your house? Is God's presence in your house? Of course.
>>632100
You guys have the Allah-Muhammad-Ali thing.
Which is incorrect because it's still Islamic, but it's still a sign that there is an impulse towards the Trinitarian truth.
>>632191
You seem to fail to understand the meaning of fully.
The path [in the analogy] is all of God. The house [in the analogy] is all of God. God isn't standing cheerily by the path or showing his presence in the house.
Jesus is all, the totality, the complete sum of God, absolutely evey single part of God, Jesus is every single last piece of God with nothing extra floating about. Jesus is a separate being to the Father.
The Father is is all, the totality, the complete sum of God. The Father is every single last piece of God with nothing extra floating about. The Father is a separate being to the Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is is all, the totality, the complete sum of God. The Holy Spirit is every single last piece of God with nothing extra floating about. The Holy Spirit is a separate being to the Jesus and the The Father.
>>632269
None of them are seperate. They work together. They are 3 pieces to 1 thing.
>>632302
>None of them are seperate.
Nope. You don't understand the Trinity.
>They are 3 pieces to 1 thing.
Nope they are NOT pieces.
Oh dear your entire faith is based on misunderstanding your own religion.
>>632312
These pieces are also complete wholes.
Different pieces that are from the same whole piece.
>>632407
I am going to make this my last post on the subject as I feel like a vegan Canadian clubbing a baby seal with pretty eyes.
You clearly don't even understand your own religion well enough to understand what cannot be understood and is handwaved away with bad analogies and claims it is a "Holy Mystery".
Jesus is NOT a piece of God. Jesus is ALL of God. Jesus is God.
The Father is NOT a piece of God. The Father is ALL of God. The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is NOT a piece of God. The Holy Spirit is ALL of God. The Holy Spirit is God.
The Holy Spirit, Jesus and The Father are all separate, all entirely separate from each other and they are all the same thing at the same time.
If this post didn't make sense to you, then guess what, you just "understood" the Trinity.
>>632457
Everyone has an interpretation.
>>632457
I understood it.
Christians are polytheists.
>>632499
True Christians believe in One God The Father who sent His Son to Earth to teach us how to get back to God and when He died left His Holy Spirit.
It isn't polytheism. Saints and angels is another discussion, but God is not a one-dimensional being, the Trinity is three parts of the same thing.
>>632510
>True Christians believe in One God The Father who sent His Son to Earth to teach us how to get back to God and when He died left His Holy Spirit.
Arians were extinguished a few centuries ago, lad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arian_controversy
>Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of mr, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him so ask shall the Son of man be ashamed, when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels. Mark 8:38
>>632535
It isn't Christian to deny Christ's divinity.
>But we recognize one glory of the Father, the equality of the Only-begotten, and one glory of the Son, the equality of the Holy Spirit.
Another attempt to describe the Trinity. Really don't care for arguing theology ITT.
>>632619
>has denied Christ's divinity multiple times
>sides with a school of heretics who were killed off centuries ago and says "that is what true Christians think" even though he is not supported by any major denomination
>says it isn't Christian to do deny Christ's dvinity
Yes. I can understand you wanting to just talk about incantations and spells and sheeit rather than theology.
>>632722
I didn't deny Christ's divinity ITT. Neither did I side with any denomination of Christianity.
>>632722
Actually that quote was from the non-heretical source of the link you sent me
>>632772
That isn't denying His divinity haha. The Father sent Christ here to teach us so He could bring us all back to God and that is one small reason Christ came here. Christ is absolutely divine.
>>629753
It's wine. If you want a different interpretation it is that he made water drinkable.
>>632802
>haha
All that doubt.
>>632809
>That isn't denying His divinity
lol.
>>632457
3 persons in one nature.
Your nature is human, you are one person.
1 person 1 nature.
Your mother's nature is human, she is one person.
1 person 1 nature.
The Catholic idea of God is that because God is without division then there can only be one "nature" of god, but this nature knows itself by relationships so there are three persons.
I'm not doing a much better job of explaining it but this is how it was explained to me by some theologian I met.
>>632878
>That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.” Matthew 8:16-17
This obviously implies divinity. Not only healing the sick, but was prophecied.
>>632890
I wouldn't worry about trying to explain it. No one ever has, it can't be explained.
You can come up with some crappy analogies though, like your theologian did.
>>632906
I'm not the one that said Jesus was not divine.
>>632921
What anon needs to come up with is how it differs from monism other than that God said so.
>>632996
Christians believe God sent us Yeshua. That post doesn't deny His divinity in any way.
>>633006
>Christians believe God sent us Yeshua.
Kek.
>Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19)
Trinity as One.
>>633030
>Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
>Go therefore and baptise them in the name of God1 and God2 and God3
>>633050
Maybe the Trinity is properly explained, but people choose not to understand it.
>"Teaching them (disciples) to observe all the things whatsoever I have commanded you(teachings): and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20
>>633067
Or maybe it is a little bit silly.
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. From such turn away ... (Timothy 2.3-)
>but the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. John 14:26
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” John 7:24
Bumping a few more times
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13
>“At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 12:1
Michael is known throughout the Bible to bring messages and defeat evil. He is known to war with Satan during end times
>And the Angel Michael, one of the Archangels, took hold of me by my right hand, and raised me and led me out to all the secrets of mercy, and the secrets of righteousness. Book of Enoch
>And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 1:5
The darkness does not comprehend the light.
You don't need to believe in the stuff in the New Testament or go to church or do fancy rituals. Just read the Gospels and follow what Jesus did. You don't even have to believe in Jesus as "the son of God," or Yhwh, or Holy Spirits and angels. The cross is BS, since he was crucified on a Roman 'T-cross.' Just, trust and put your faith in Jesus. Live in His image
>>631986
The way I see it is Catholicism promotes essentially a heavenly bureaucracy. Wherein you pray to the saints who then take your requests to Christ. This stems from the notion of the "communion of saints." I am of the belief that as a Christian I can directly appeal to Christ through prayer. The use of Saints and priests as a hub for prayers detracts from that which Christ came here in the first place to accomplish.
>There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 1 John 4:18
This thaanng called love, when it brings fear or a negative reaction, is it love? When we have fear, we have not yet begun to be trained in perfecting our love for all life. If we fear consequences bring punishment, or question punishment, we should understand what decision is being brought before us that causes us to have these doubts and what these doubts might mean.
>>638679
Believing Christ is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are essential, of you are a Christian haha.
>>638713
Agreed. I notice people pick and choose saints as if they have authority over certain areas in our lives, and sometimes people begin requesting prayers and saints to start to build up their faith before they end up praying directly towards God.
Pretty controversial to call a saint an idol, but so is saying "inky we can pick the saints". If an angel or a saint says "worship God and not me" then I'm sure they're going to lead you righteously but it is a subject for Christian debate.
>"for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed, neither hid that shall not be known" Luke 12:2
>A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of theLord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3
If anyone is genuinely interested about Christianity - I suggest to go with orthodoxy is it kept the Apostolic succession and has the Holy Spirit inside it.
A good movie based on KJV - translation is:
Jesus ( 1979 ) that you can view and download for free translated in over 1000 languages, so just watch it in your native language.
http://jesusfilmmedia.org/1_529-jf-0-0/
A FAQ for orthodoxy - every Christian aspect is contained in Orthodox Catechism, you can google orthodox catechism in your native language maybe there is support - but be sure that is eastern orthodoxy and not old style orthodoxy as it is anathematized cult.
Orthodox Catechism is where you will find the most accurate answers of dogmatic perspective, not any trip-fag here will provide you clearer answers than you can find there.
I actually advice you to ignore the pseudo-orthodox trip fags here as they have very heretic visions and ecumenicism in their blood.
here's a link I found for Orthodox Catechism.
http://orthodoxeurope.org/
If you want to study the bible in English you have:
http://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Study-Bible-Hardcover-Color/dp/0718003594/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454413561&sr=1-1
and
http://www.amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454406134&sr=1-4&keywords=greek+orthodox+bible
There's a torrent for .epub version of Study Bible on kat.cr or thepiratebay.se
When you're interested in a special subject look for patristic writings, what the saints of orthodoxy have wrote on the subject - there's so much literature wrote under the influence of the Holy Spirit.
Two links for literature on the Creation.
http://www.fisheaters.com/hexaemeron.html
creationwiki.org/John_Chrysostom
Holy shit this thread is all over the place.
>>640285
>http://orthodoxeurope.org/
Here's the specific link:
http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/10/1.aspx
>>640260
"The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant to Israel and Judah, not be like the covenant that I made to their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. They rejected that covenant, although I was a husband to them," declares the Lord" (Jeremiah 31:31,32)
Could have made these posts as one but yeah.
->>640260
John the Baptist (Matthew 3)
->>640312
Christ is the New Covenant
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>“‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to you shepherds of Israel who only take care of yourselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.”(Ezekiel 34:1-4)
Sounds like Matthew 23 and other sermons where Jesus/Yeshua rebukes and criticises the Pharisees.
>He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-beingfellupon Him, and by His scourging we are healed. Isaiah 53:5
>He told them, ‘Thisis what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning atJerusalem.’”Luke 24:46-47
>>622265
>“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)
>>638749
I've been a on/off catholic for a while, but isn't the main point of saints supposed to be "look at how these people expunged christian values and were gr8"
(Even if the process of choosing saints in modern times is very political and relies on '''''''miracles'''''''')
I don't get saint worship, but maybe it comes from the whole process surrounding confirmation and choosing a patron saint for yourself that leads to the idea that saints are these holy beings that give you the power to do things, instead of being examples of how human beings can live virtuous lives.
The main point of the Saints and their veneration is,
a)Death will not separate the Church on Earth and Heaven
b)Respect and honor for their deeds(explained in Martyrdom of Polycarp and St Ignatius)
c)The Communion of Saints that encompasses the living and dead
Also, the Saints aren't some obstacle that detracts from God, given how most of the Mass and shit is going to be prayers directed to God himself.
>>641115
It seems like a way to focus on virtue by understanding the trials of another. There are many saints, and the church chooses their own saints, and we meet some saints in our own lives.
>I thank you for you answered me; you have been my savior. The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. Psalm 118:21-22
Christ is the stone. But the builders, are they masons?
>>641733
No doubt those who awaited the salvation of Israel denied the stone which came to bring salvation to Israel.
Present day, Christ is not the Capstone to the Masons.
Hello anons. I was wondering if you could help me with two things.
1) I'm soloing the Bible, I'm halfway through Matthew 21 as of now, but I'm finding it hard to understand parables and such. (NIV edition)
2) I'm having a hard time in letting go of my anger, any parts of the scripture you guys could redirect me too?
>>641999
Any specific ones?
If I have trouble I usually look up commentary and prayer before asking helps.
The parables are spoken in this way to create a metaphoric description of heavenly ways, like the one where then son tells his father "I won't work for you today" but ends up working for him rather than the other son who says "I will gladly work for you" but ends up not working.
> Whoever is slow to anger has great understanding, but he who has a hasty temper exalts folly. (Proverbs)
Proverbs is great for understanding and meditation. Slow to anger means you understand the other side without hasty judgement. Hasty judgement being folly, because anger for the most part is not productive.
>For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Keeping calm is righteous.
>But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matthew)
So when we are angry with someone we should be prepared to have someone angry at us. If we condemn another, we should be prepared for condemnation. If we call someone a bad name, we should be prepared to be called likewise.
>>621923
Jesus coulda shoulda walk to India, to China, walk all the way to America, then Africa, to Europe. Visit every human on earth to spread his words.
>>621923
What would Jesus do ?
>Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul. 3 John 1:2
>>642209
>jesus: my feet hurt
>jesus: oh heavenly father why did you make it so i have to walk everywhere
>jesus: couldnt you just let me fly like an angel or something
>>640288
>Holy shit this thread is all over the place.
Like Mary when the Roman soldiers are in town.
Amirite, worshipper of Yeshua Ben Panthera?
>>643096
>>643096
>Then the devil took Jesus to the holy city. He had Jesus stand on the highest point of the temple. “If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. It is written, “ ‘The Lord will command his angels to take good care of you. They will lift you up in their hands. Then you won’t trip over a stone.’ ” (Matthew)
Satan asks Yeshua to fly.
>The Lord will command His angels to take good care of you.They will lift you up in their hands.Then you won’t trip over a stone.(Psalms)
Appearantly Satan quotes a Psalm to tempt Yeshua to fly
>Jesus answered him, “It is also written, ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ” (Matthew)
>>643182
Fampai I appreciate you doin this, but the whole Yeshua thing is really weird.
On topic, in this passage is Mathew inferring that the psalms contradict each other? What did early Christians think about the old testament prophesies?
1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
What are your thoughts on this verse?
Do you believe this is the intended method of Christ's forgiveness?
If not, then what is? And why?
Are there any major denominations that agree with your alternate interpretation?
>>642122
>>643240
>I confess my iniquity; I am sorry for my sin. Psalm 38:18
You mean like the sacrament of Reconciliation? Where you go to priest and they supposedly absolve you of your sins?
Personally, I would rather confess my sins to the nature of God without someone else getting in the way, and as long as we make serious and actual efforts for repentence and are truly sorry then we begin being forgiven.
As for the sacrament if it is what you want to do and feel better talking to someone I don't see the problem besides the priest or "father" forgiving you and all the sudden be absolved after saying a few prayers that's it. It is about real repentence, not "I went to confession today all set to do whatever I want" and that is just a generalization.
>>643258
>You mean like the sacrament of Reconciliation? Where you go to priest and they supposedly absolve you of your sins?
Not necessarily, the context of the verse itself doesn't directly indicate to whom one would be required to confess their sins.
However, because Christ would clearly be the one doing the forgiving in this context, I think it would be reasonable to conclude that Christ himself should at least be *among* those addressed when confessing sins.
And to be honest, I don't thing it would be unreasonable to conclude that anyone besides Christ himself would require notification of any sins in order to receive his "faithful and just" forgiveness.
What I'm curious about is the general interpretation of this verse. It seems rather obvious that in order to receive Christ's forgiveness, one would need to (somehow) successfully confess the sins to Christ, and by acknowledging them as sins through the confession to him, he would see it as a recognition of The Law and the Holy Spirit, and offer his forgiveness, since every man is guilty of sin and all.
I'm pretty much curious as to how much that concept is agreed upon, since I see a lot of youtube videos claiming that confession to Christ of one's sins isn't "enough", although I haven't heard any major denomination claim such things.
>>643321
>1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
Curious about this ^ verse?
I think it means exactly what it says, and more.. Say when you do something bad, and it's bad. Definately been there, and it is a spontaneous confession we realize and are sorry for it right now and we just break down and ask God for forgiveness and a path to redeem ourselves.
When it comes to YouTube videos I'd be careful but you know what makes sense to you. It really isn't just "I'm sorry that's it boom forgiven" we have to actually take some serious life improvement steps and work it out with us and God. Having a priest intermediate isn't my fancy.
Also, the next verse after:
>If we say we have not sinned we make Him a liar and His word is not in us
How many times do we feel invulnerable and call ourselves perfect due to some ego trip? We are all flawed in some way, and confessing it and actually doing something about it takes real strength.
>>643366
Thank you for your input.
>>629695
>Nazarene
>against their whatever to drink
She's getting confused with "Nazirite", which was a Jew who had taken specific purity vows, like not eating fermented food or drink and not cutting his hair. Samson, from the book of Judges, is a particularly well known Nazirite (who broke all his vows over the course of his life).
Jesus was a NAZARENE, i.e. a man originating from Nazareth, not a NAZIRITE, and is noted as having partaken of wine at least once, at the Last Supper.
Know well the condition of your flocks, and give attention to your herds (Proverbs 27:23)
>>642169
Thanks Anon for your help towards my 2nd point. In general, nearly every parable I read trips me up - except the very one you used as an example.
May I ask which commentary you use or would recommend?
>>644673
Usually Google the verses and look for at least 2 or 3 meanings for the parable and let it sit for a while. My Bible has a chapter summary in the beggining of each chapter so I use that if anything.
>>644760
Thank you Anon.
>>644771
No problem, wish there was a less cheesy answer than just Google it.
>>643182
What can you do?
< pic related.
>Again Jesus said,“Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
The same ministry Christ taught is what we need to bring to others.
>and when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit."
> If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” (John 20)
>>621923
>Christ says "follow me"
Most Christian are really Agnostic Theist.
You know the kind, who said they believe in God but actually take that as a fall back position, an insurance policy.
People claim to be Christian, but don't turn the other cheek for example.
I believe but I don't know...
>>644856
No doubt people use the label Christian to make them look better.
Also people using Christianity to persecute others, even though our Saviour was also persecuted and told us to love one another.
Christ never gives up on anyone in the Gospels, why should we because our intolerance?
>>644869
>No doubt people use the label Christian to make them look better.
Most of them are.
Are you one of those?
Are you the "Rich Young Man" type?
>>644856
>>644899
If I had money that kind of money I'd be spending it right now lol.
Christianity is used to "look better" in like pta meetings and politics, that sort of thing
>>644899
I remember hearing a sermon where the preacher was breaking down that verse. Apparently the eye of a needle was/is a famous pedestrian gate in Jerusalem. So the verse means very difficult and not impossible. He was preaching to a church full of very rich people mind.
Anyone know if there's validity to this.
>>644930
According to Wikipedia, there IS a gate in Jerusalem with the same name, but it's in the Russian Church and was built in the 16th century.
There's no actual reference or evidence to a gate with the name existing at the time of Jesus.
>>644930
I heard the word camel was supposed to be rope. "It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man..."
>>621923
>Christ says "follow me"
Not quite.
"Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Why you pick half of the quote?
>>644904
>If I had money that kind of money I'd be spending it right now lol.
Bingo, this is what you are!
>>644930
>So the verse means very difficult and not impossible.
Keep telling yourself that.
>>644947
>I heard the word camel was supposed to be rope.
So do you turn the other cheek? I know people like you have all the excuse .
>>644961
To the rich He tells them to give everything away, which to us means give what we can
>Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Also applies to all Christians to give what we can.
I guess the word camel could've been rope or cable, and it is difficult to get a rope through a needle, another parable to explain what it is we must do.
>"you have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
>>644972
>To the rich He tells them to give everything away, which to us means give what we can
citations please?
You are putting words in Jesus mouth!
You have a computer, you have internet, you have time.
You look rich to me.
">To the rich He tells them to give everything away, which to us means give what we can"
>reinterpreting the holy book to mean whatever you want
>>645032
>>645046
>When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” But when he heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. Jesus, seeing that he had become sad, said, “How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?”
>>644972
>>645056
>Sell all that you have
NOT "give what we can".
>>645081
Regardless we should always be giving what we can to others
>>645081
>Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
>>645087
>Regardless we should always be giving what we can to others
"giving what we can" imply you have higher priority.
So you go to church only when you are not busy?
>>645112
>Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.
>>645092
>>645116
The Bible is like a buffet, pick what you like and forget the rest.
>If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink (Proverbs 25:22)
>>645173
>If your enemy is hungry,
Love you enemies cover that already.
>>645032
But to real Christians it;s something else.
< pic related.
>All day long they injure my cause; all their thoughts are against me for evil. Psalm 56:5
>>645205
The only people who need to convert are:
1. people who's religion requires human sacrifice
2. joo-joo ooga booga "the finger of an albino child is magic" voodoo religions
3. Judaism
Because those belief systems offer absolutely NO way to Salvation.
>>645377
Whereas the learned, genuinely pious sages of religions like Buddhism, Islam, Zoroastrianism and even Hinduism may find Logos and Truth (aka Christ) through their own traditions.
>>645377
I don't believe in god. (but don't call me atheist)
But I still believe there are good religions
In Good Religions:
Good people go to heaven. Period.
Bad religion?
Good people CANNOT go to heaven, unless...
>>645377
>>645407
The only way to the Father is through Christ. As Christians we are called to try to help and convert everybody. Some battles are impossible to win and some are of Lee's priority, but that doesn't mean that a Christian can accept other religions as equally true. Religion isn't about being a good person by modern and ever changing standards of morality, it's about truth.
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
>>645859
>The only way to the Father is through Christ.
>>645859
>Religion isn't about being a good person by modern and ever changing standards of morality, it's about truth.
All you need is to make a deal with the _you know who_.
>"How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
I really like this one.
Ever try and help someone out even though you have the same problem? We give out advice even though we haven't even solved the problem for ourself?
It is very important to refine ourself before we can help "refine" others and assist them in their journeys.
God bless you guys.
< True Ways of Christianity.
>>646479
>It is very important to refine ourself before we can help "refine" others
So what are you doing here? Son.
>>647055
Already had a religious fallout hoping thread gets at least one person interested in Christianity
>>647077
When Jesus says that he is the "way" what do you think that means?
Personally I see it as a concept of entering into godhood (son of God) by following Christs example. To exist in Christs "body". To enter into the kingdom of Heaven is the same as entering into Nirvana or attaining enlightenment, both are within you.
>>647791
Gnostic Jesus is best Jesus.
>>647791
>For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders in such a manner that they shall deceive, if possible, the very elect. (Matthew)
I think we have a lot of potential in us, but none of us can equal the master
>A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher. (Luke)
>>647816
Gnostic Christ is great, just always be aware of where you are getting your sources from because not all Gnostics are Christian.
>And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death." (Thomas 1)
>Iesus said, "Love your friends like your own soul, protect them like the pupil of your eye." (Thomas 25)
>>647816
MDickie, a true visionary
>Iesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels."
>"Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty." (Thomas 29)
Great wealth in poverty...
>>647880
>And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death." (Thomas 1)
Such a cool way to kick things off. Probably the best Gospel opener of them all, even better than the iconic John 1:1 imo.
>>647898
>In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God. John 1:1
A lot more interesting Aramaic English Translation.
>>647791
>"I am the door, by me if any man enter un, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
>Think not that I have come to introduce peace into the land; I came not to introduce peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
So this seems a little contradictory but in the context of Chapter 10 it makes sense. Christ came and distributed peace amongst His followers, but the sword He brought that isn't peace, it may be referencing the Gospel. It divided those who believed in Gospel and those who denied the Gospel, and we see this in the present day, however back then it was criminal to be a Christian who believed Christ was the Messiah.
This division is likely to be between the nature of the world and of those who deny Christ, and those who love and follow Christ, for the punishment on Earth is a challenge but the reward in Heaven is greater.
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
>“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21
It isn't just about saying "Lord! Lord!" but it is about doing what we are called to do.
>Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
A "doubting Thomas" is a good expression. What is interesting is Thomas the Apostle won't believe Christ is resurrected unless he can actually feel the risen Christ.
After Thomas touches Him, he believes, "My Lord! My God!"
Yeshua then says, "blessed are they who believe without seeing"
> but Yeshua did many other signs before his disciples, which are not written in this scripture.
We are only getting so much from the Gospels, and it is only but a tiny fragment of the Lord and His Greatness.
God bless you guys! Hope everyone is having a good time.
Fuck off religionfags.
>O! Give thanks to the Lord; for He is good: for His mercy endures forever. (Psalm)
>Surely God will not hear vanity... neither will the Almighty regard it. (Job)
>To every, a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. (Ecclesiastes)
>He that has no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down and without walls (Proverbs)
>>640285
>Read the words of Jesus.
>Spend five minutes looking at the actions of the orthodox church.
>Puke.
>>621923
I'm looking for a good Catholic bible in English. Can anyone recommend me one? All I ask is that it's not liberalized with some sort of subliminal hippy, zionist nonsense.
I dunno if this is prevalent with Catholic versions when compared to other denominations.
>>638713
See, this is disagreement I can agree with... If that makes sense.
You understand what Catholics actually believe (in a sense, you never need to pray to a saint and can always just go straight to God but when you ask a saint to pray for you, it's like having one of the most trusted bureaucrats file your request at the top of the list and cover it with glitter and telling the boss "you know, if I were you, I'd REEEEALLLY fill this guys request, but hey, it's your choice and you're always right") but disagree with it for reasons that actually make sense instead of the insane chick tract rhetoric you often see.
>>653302
NRSV-CE
>>653302
Anyone besides NIV and KJV but honestly if those are the only ones you have there isn't anything wrong with them.
Some Proverbs
>The fear of man lays a snare, but whoever trusts in theLordis safe.
When our adversaries are afraid, they try to trap us, but if we trust in God, we know that we are safe.
>Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the good sense of your words.
These adversaries will not take the good from your words, rather, they will extract them to make them seem like folly, so as to set up their "snare" in place of wisdom
>Many seek the face of a ruler, but it is from theLordthat a man gets justice.
There is one God we should seek, who we receive justice and is the most righteous of rulers. Sometimes we put trust in our world leaders, who speak justice but have none.
The wisest of women builds her house, but folly with her own hands tears it down
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God
>>621923
>Yeshua's name
His name is yesha (pronounced "yee shah") which means "our salvation" in hebrew. To say he is called "yeshua" is not necessarily false (which simple means salvation), but Jesus came from yesha and that name has been used successfully to purge demons.
As for your post, Christianity is the truth, to call it a religion and to place it in the same category as the idolatry that is Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Wicca..etc is madness. No God of any other religion humbles himself enough to bring himself down to the level of the weakest among his creations (What you have done to the least of you brethren among you you have done unto me), no other God preforms miracles any thing like Christ and God.
God Bless you too and make sure that you put the Bible before secular teachings, the road to hell is abandoning the word of God for the world, no matter what it is you abandon God for.
So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”
>>656776
gotta era Him.
>>657945
>No God of any other religion humbles himself enough to bring himself down to the level of the weakest among his creations
Zeus?
>The adversaries of theLordshall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. TheLordwill judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king and exalt the power of his anointed.” 1 Samuel 2:10
>Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.
>>660831
When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, Thou considerest diligently that which is before thee,
>>657945
Can we know for sure Jesus lived - and actually performed the miracles?
If other witnesses of at least the miracles exist from sources of that time then Christianity truly has the crown for literally preaching the truth.
>>621923
>Many people call it a path, a way to life, not a religion.
Religions are and should be paths to people on how to live their lives Nearly all share in common what is termed the 'Path of Sincerity' and that the gods should be respected but not relied upon.
>A certain person said, "In the Saint's mausoleum there is a poem that goes :
>"If in one's heart
>He follows the path of sincerity,
>Though he does not pray
>Will not the gods protect him?"
>What is this path of sincerity?"
>A man answered him by saying, ''You seem to like poetry. I will answer you with a poem.
>As everything in this world is but a sham,
>Death is the only sincerity.
>It is said that becoming as a dead man in one's daily living is the following of the path of sincerity."
>-Yamamoto Tsunetomo, The Hagakure
>>661923
>"Now departure from the world of men is nothing to fear, if gods exist: because they would not involve you in any harm. If they do not exist, or if they have no care for humankind, then what is life to me in a world devoid of gods, or devoid of providence? But they do exist, and they do care for humankind: and they have put it absolutely in man's power to avoid falling into the true kinds of harm."
> —Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 2.11
>>661927
>"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but...will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
>>661739
Paul's conversion c 35AD, and his work around 50AD with the apostles.. the Gospels are likely to be handed down through Disciplic succession and eventually recording 60 to 70, and Christians after Christ's death to 64+ AD were being killed left and right for being Christians
http://paxexsistovos.blogspot.com/2012/01/tacitus-suetonius-pliny-younger.html?m=1
I know people will be like "omg lol zoinks fraud" but it is still pretty credible. The other half of faith comes from not having enough sufficient evidence of Christ but what He leaves behind is within us.
So we are only looking at a 30 to 40 year gap with the Gospels. Which isn't that bad considering this happened 2000 years ago
Also a alabaster box with Jesus and James and Josephs names on it
>>657945
And thanks alot man any support post is good.
It really is about what the Bible teaches and Christ nothing crazy either you know just straight up Christianity at its core where it is righteously applied to each person.
2000 years later He is still cleaning out the demons within and reaching out to those who need Him most.
Have a good night anon.
>>659210
how so? he frolicks down in the earth in search of poon. it's not as though he assumed an actual mortal body. he only assumed the FORM of a man.
>Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."
What did he mean by this?
>>663302
>>663302#
Had too look it up sometimes parables are confusing.
Being eaten by a lion would be less honorable for a man, and eating a lion would be more honorable for a man, especially if all life is sacred, we see some form of rebirth and karma, cause and effect quality if we are talking about literally eating. The lion would be reborn into a human life and the human would have had his karma end off with him being eaten by a lion.
Consider Daniel in the den of lions where God keeps the Lions calm and do not attack Daniel.
Also, lions are metaphors in the Bible and represent a virtuous animal and also a destructive beast. Lions might also represent desire, so man eating a lion is overcoming desire, pride, and adversity, while the lion eating the man is being taken over by greed and darkness:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas7.html
>>663302
>gospel of thomas
>Then shall you call on me, and you shall go and pray to me, and I will listen to you. (Jeremiah 29:12)
>>663625
And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart.
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6)
>"And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you, and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep mine ordinances, and do them, and they shall be my people, and I will be their God" (Ezekiel 11:19,20)
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." Matthew 7:13
24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If any one serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there shall my servant be also; if any one serves me, the Father will honor him.
>Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproofisbrutish.
>>644972
>which to us means give what we can
37He who loves his father or mother above me is not worthy of me. 38And he who does not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me. 39He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life because of me will find it.
>>663291
>>668976
The hardest part of discipleship is sometimes when we are conflicted with putting God before others and others before God.
When we follow after Christ we know that we have to be prepared, for even though we may be persecuted, we may also find our greatest strengths in these trials.
Why follow Christ and not be fully willing to follow Him the whole way.
>>668976
Aaand that's where I drop out of christianity as a religion. Fuck you jesus, you're an asshole and my family comes first no matter what you say.
jewish religion inferior to norse paganism
>>669608
You can love God more than your family without hating your family.
These are people who left everything to listen to the ministry of Christ, which isn't uncommon when disciples make the decision to follow a spiritual master and teacher.
You can see the individual soul of all people and know that everyone has this relationship with the Holy Spirit.
>>669620
No, seriously.
I support Christianity out of tradition, cultural heritage, and respect for certain family members' beliefs. But nobody here would run off to follow the son of god and leave the rest of us behind, and neither would I.
>>669637
People renounce the world all the time in favor of spiritual teachings and in the case of Early Christianity where they were getting killed for it these people were dedicated and devoted to Christ as the Messiah.
>13Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom.14But if you have bitter jealously and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.15This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, and demonic.16For where jealously and selfish ambition exists, there will always be disorder and every vile practice.17But the wisdom from above us first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.18And a harvest for righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
(James 3:13-18)
>13
The wise are displaying their works with meekness and good conduct, for they have understanding.
>14
Those who have nasty hearts will boast of their wisdom and hand out false truth
>15
The wisdom handed out by bitter people is selfish and without knowledge or cobsideration of The Holy Spirit
>16
These practices cause disorder
>17
Wisdom is supposed to be clean, full of great reasoning, peaceful, and blissful, with kindess, a heavy contrast compared to the verses before.
>18
Those who make righteous shall recieve righteousness.
http://www.shmoop.com/luke-gospel/chapter-14-verses-1-24-summary.html
Okay this was pretty funny for some reason.
>>668013
based brother's karamazov
>>668995
what's your point?
(7) “But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.” [Matthew 12:7KJV]
>>671645
what does this mean exactly?
if Jesus was a woman no one would take this religion seriously
have you noticed there are no female apostles or prophets either? That's because every self respecting god wants to get shit done that's why godesses usually take care of stupid shit like love except for faggot Greeks and their strong independent women like Athena or Artemis no one would take a religion where the main dieity is female seriously.
>>671706#
In the context for Matthew 12 it is one example of many things Christ says that gets people to begin to despise Him, as for the quote, mercy is over causing others suffering. Persecution those who are not guilty is a sure way to lack righteousness.
>>672227#
It is like there were women who were influentual, and still are today though the public display of their role isn't as publicised.
Men and women are equal and when men are observing spiritual practices it is common to have a unique perception of woman when they enter monastic life, and women tend to observe the same lifestyle but in a slightly different way.
I know a lady in this church I go to whenever I get a chance and she and her friend lead a prayer congregation every day before the mass begins.
>"All things handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone whom the Son chooses to reveal him." Matthew 11
>But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it.At that time you will be given what to say,for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Fatherspeaking through you. Matthew 10:19-20
>When Jesus heardit,He departed from there by boat to a deserted place by Himself. But when the multitudes heard it, they followed Him on foot from the cities. And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them, and healed their sick. Matthew 14
When John the Baptist is beheaded, and Christ knows that He is being persecuted, it should be noted that He travels around a lot and lives a somewhat nomadic lifestyle, making a decent amount of departures from cities, always healing those He meets and teachings those who even give themselves to Him in order to follow His teachings.
Faith really is a beautiful thing
The only thing that keeps me going on this godforsaken piece of dirty floating in space
Does one have to believe in the Old Testament to believe in Jesus? Or can it just be that God chose the Jews to be the recipients of Jesus's teachings because they were the closest to being right?
>>625068
>more like faithful Eurocentric bigot
Ἰησοῦς (Iesous) is a Greek transliteration of Hebrew/Aramaic Yeshúa which is the equivalent of Joshua. It's spelled with the letters Yod, Shin, Waw, and Ayin and is pronounced Yeshúa` in western Syriac and Isho` in eastern.
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/apostolic/ezra/2.htm
>>675512
For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes--the Jew first and also the Gentile. Romans 1:16
>Oh my Jesus
>Forgive us our sins
>Save us from the fires of hell...
>Lead all those to heaven;
>Especially those who most need your mercy
>Amen
>>677085
>Psalm 38:18
>I confess my iniquity; I am sorry for my sin.
It's Ash Wednesday gonna bump with some more stuff.
The prayer in ->>677085 is always good, repeat it with meaning, and this Psalm phrase is really good to repeat and meditate upon, confessing our wrong doing and being sorry for them, making up for our sins.
God bless every, hope you are all having a good day.
>>677807
How many of you remember this?
"So what your giving up for lent anon?"
>so that you may not appear to the children of men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. Matthew 6:18
Not that talking about stuff is bad, but it is good to keep the bond between us and God between us and God rather than make a public display.
Like doing dishes to be nice, or doing dishes to tell everyone you did the dishes haha.
So here is a cool thing about the dust they use to anoint the people's forehead on Ash Wednesday:
> Then theLordGod formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. Genesis
We are physically formed by dust, but are alive through the breath of God
>And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes
As just like the dust coming off of our forehead throughout the day, our lives and all things are temporary in this earth, passing, however the spirit has an eternal mission to reunite with God, even after the dust blows away.
>He was tempted by the devil for 40 days. During those days Jesus ate nothing, so when they were over, he was hungry. Luke 4:2
This is an exciting time, not only is it already Ash Wednesday but Spring will come soon and the year is already well on its way.
> And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left.
Obviously, Eastern is supposed to be about the Ressurection of Christ from the cross to Christians, and this time is to honor the vigorous fasting and message of our Lord, His death, and His coming back to life.
>The Son of Manmust be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.
So much about Christ in the Bible, but He is always with us in our hearts if we trust in the Holy Spirit.
>>677807
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how do u 4 chan
>>632015
>not worshipping the 3-faced God
>Forgive me Father
>for I have sinned against You and Your convenant
>i firmly intent with the help of your Son to make up for these sins and love as I should
>Amen
Many different varieties of the Act of contrition but they all mean generally the same thing.
>“But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the LordGod, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?( Ezekiel )
>>680303
>"For I know the plans I have for you, declares theLord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah
>The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit (John 3:8)
>>632305
You cannot trivialize the Trinity as some earthly thing with three "parts" or "faces". There are three Persons in the Trinity, and they are all distinct from one another, but they are all revered equally as a single being that is God.
>>681901
>You cannot trivialize the Trinity as some earthly thing with three "parts" or "faces". There are three Persons in the Trinity, and they are all distinct from one another, but they are all revered equally as a single being that is God.
Where is the "trinity" in the Bible?
>Sing to him, sing praises to him; tell of all his wondrous works!
>>681901
Either way, everyone is going to have a different explanation with a lot of similarities.
>>681926
Matt. 28:19,"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
1 Cor. 12:4-6,"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons."
2 Cor. 13:14,"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
Christ calls God "Father" and Christ leaves us with the Holy Spirit after He "dies" so, it's essentially an attempt to understand the majesty of God.
As a Christian, God is the Father who is the original first and only God and His Son is also Him on Earth and came to teach us and save us even 2000 years later and this is done by the Holy Spirit of God.
It isn't a scriptural reference, but you can meditate on how the Trinity makes sense as a Christian.
Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. Hebrew 10:35
>Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil. Matthew 5:37
>>621923
Can God help me with my depression? if so i'd follow him and defend him with my life.
