ok i am not white. so why different nations hate each other in euorope , i only have a little idea. but whats up with jew hating?
where i am from jews are also hated.... though no jews live here. most of the population hate them cuz there its in the root of their religion, islam. most of them never even saw a jew in his life. this religion has evolved around, keeping "jew hating" in the center. but dont feel special they, also hate all other religions.
i grew up in a christian family. so from bible i understand its also have a lil bit "jew hating" inside. so its possible for christians, in right condition, blow up that hate as a religious rage.
but when i look at ww1, ww2, and even till today(no one is killing them, but), there is a strong "jew hate" feeling, but it hardly feels religious. i understand when muslim world hates them, mainly religious, some political.
why nazi/euorope/other white people hates jew? is it religion? doesnt feel like. political? plz explain senpai
Ooga booga cuz
Nazi ideology conflated Jews and Bolshevism which they saw as directly opposed to their own goals.
Anti-Jewish feelings in Europe in general and throughout history are caused by the Jews being "the Other", that is a group that is sufficiently different (customs, religion, but also food, clothing, language, work etc.) while at the same time being a part of the same broader society - as opposed to being distinct but forming for example their own state. As such they were convenient scapegoats and frequent targets of oppression.
They were not alone in this, for example the Roma people have a similar history of being hounded out throughout centuries.
>>686848
hitler wants power > easiest way to get power politically is populism > populism needs a scapegoat to shit on to work > jews are historically a scapegoat in europe and fairly wealthy while the rest of germany was poor
>>686848
Jews in Germany made themselves somewhat outsiders to mainstream German culture and they were disproportionately wealthy while Germans struggled with depression.
This is probably the general background to many persecutions of Jews.
Also Hitler hated Bolsheviks and some of their body of thinkers/organizers were Jewish.
IIRC the Jewish community in Germany , particularly those with financial businesses, withdrew their economic support for the WWI at some point which weakened the war effort.
The Nazi Party drew upon this and a general cultural distrust of Jews (stemming from medieval Christian customs that forbade handling of money, leading to Jewish citizens gaining an economic niche as bankers, tax collectors and everything else $related--and nobody likes the taxman, especially when he doesn't go to church with you* and says your religion is wrong) to blame them for the loss of the war and the subsequent economic hardships.
*churches were an even larger community center then than now, really THE community center outside of festivals
It's not like it came out of the blue. Antisemitism has a long history in Germany. Martin Luther certainly didn't help me.
It's safe to say that the roots of Jewish hatred in general have its roots with the church accusing them of deicide. By being outsiders with strange customs they were only further demonized. It wasn't uncommon for instance to believe that Jews cooked with christian blood.
>>686900
>help me
That was a typo. I'm not a Jew I swear.
op here. sry i thought this post got blocked...... how do i merge two posts on same subject?
>>686912
haha
just delete the other thread (check the checkbox next to the title, press the 'delete' button at the bottom of the screen)
>>686892
All throughout history people have been using Jews as "scapegoats." Funny enough, no other group has ever been used like this. There were no Islamic conspiracies, no black conspiracies, no Native American conspiracies, only Jews.
This argument doesn't fly. Hitler could have used just Communists as the "scapegoat." All throughout history, people could have picked much, much easier targets for "scapegoating." They didn't because the real problem was them, they weren't just saying it.
Now I'm not advocating hurting Jews, but we should go back to the Catholic teaching of Sicut Judaeis non: no one harms the Jew, but the Jew has no right to subvert your nation. Jews are known liars and traitors and should be treated as such as long as they act as such. They should be humanely expelled from all European nations and America.
>>686937
Christians are forbidden from practicing usury. Jews are too, but only with other Jews. Courts in Europe would hire a Jew to manage their finances as a sneaky way to get around the letter of the law.
For some reason, this surprised Europeans centuries later when Jews became very good at handling money.
>>686920
ty :)
>>686943
>no other group has ever been used like this. There were no Islamic conspiracies, no black conspiracies, no Native American conspiracies, only Jews.
None of the above groups were a part of European societies in the same way as the Jews were.
The only group that comes close and is in recent memory are the Roma peoples - and guess what, they are being picked on to this day.
The other groups that could probably come close to that were peoples like Polabian Slavs or the pagan tribes further to the east of them - neither survived peaceful coexistence for long.
>>686945
That was subversion that was a remnant of post Roman society. There has never been a time in history where a people have been persecuted in a beneficial manner. That's asinine, and indicative of an untold power structure behind the scenes. No one says, "you take the high paying office jobs or I'll hurt you, I'm going to work the fields."
You are forgetting they were a problem prior to Catholicism.
>>686943
found one
>>686943
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>>686945
They were also disproportionately educated. The first two groups to take to the Nazi party according to my professor were Doktors and Lawyers. Why? When the jews lost those positions, they moved up in the world.
The last two groups to take to the Nazi party? Teachers and Priests. Priests on moral grounds and teachers...well...the lack of respect for the profession I surmise. I should ask him to clarify next week.
>>686960
Being a banker wasn't always a prestigious position tho.
>>686945
The Christians prohibition from usury is a bit of a meme, certainly excessive usury and interest for interest's sake only was outright out, but 'service fees' for handling money, investments, foreign exchange and the like were well within the purview of Christian officials and merchants in the middle ages.
>>686955
>The only group that comes close and is in recent memory are the Roma peoples - and guess what, they are being picked on to this day
They are picked on for being thieves, which many are. There is no equivalent anywhere of the Jews being accused of conspiring. It has happened to no other group, but to the Jews 100+ times. It is an outlawed stereotype, as indicated by such nonsense as the Sedition Trials of 1944, but if is a true one, like all others.
When people say black people are violent, it may not be entirely correct for all black people, but it is still true. All stereotypes are true, and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is how Jews have been stereotyped for thousands of years ... because it's true. Whether they wrote it or not means nothing; that is how they are perceived in any nation that isn't de facto barred from doing so.
>>686851
>>>/pol/
>>686985
>The Christians prohibition from usury is a bit of a meme, certainly excessive usury and interest for interest's sake only was outright out, but 'service fees' for handling money, investments, foreign exchange and the like were well within the purview of Christian officials and merchants in the middle ages.
Huh. Thanks for this. Usually practicality finds a convenient work around to faith's fetters when there's money to be made, so it sounded out that Jewish dominating banking would be such a thing when there were christian groups doing so too although centuries apart.
>>686973
It is one conducive to wealth which is a common desire of all mankind. Try to get any well paying job today and you will see there is stiff competition, no matter the "integrity" of it.
>>686970
>They were also disproportionately educated.
This doesn't matter. They didn't assimilate. There is no reason you should have an intelligentsia that is outside of your influence manipulating academic thought in your country.
>>686966
I'm not. I don't hate blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc. I don't like being lied to, and I know for a fact that all of the problems in this country—culture of debt, single parenthood, pornography, materialism, unpatriotic outlooks, etc.—have a Jewish essence when traced back fad enough. I don't hate Jews, even. They are intelligent, but they should be expelled, as it seems as though they can't or refuse to use it in such a way as to benefit the entire community.
I am not a white nationalist. I'm white, but that's not my identity. There are many black people who didn't/don't like what's happening to this country, including Marcus Garvey, Malcom X, and Lois Farrakhan.
>>686943
Israeli here
Look up what the Romans did to Israel, This was back when Christianity had zero influence in the empire
Abrahamic religions were hated by Europeans for centuries
Only difference is that Christianity managed to spread due to the 3th Century crisis, Even then orthodox Chritianity that didn't have Roman Influence unlike Catholicism was seen as Eastern enemy
op here
ty guys to make it a bit clearer.
>>687029
I know all about Bar Kokhba, yes. Those were not the main Jews, though. Jews were already in diaspora all throughout the Mediterranean Basin. The influential Jews were financiers in Rome.
They teach you so much hatred, but you never look at it from the full perspective. Yes, Jews have been persecuted, but at the same time Jews have conspired against countries many times. If is a never ending circle: Jews get persecuted, they think it legitimizes their subversion; they get persecuted again. Both sides need to take responsibility here. Calling me a conspiracy theorist is not going to cut it. I know my history too well.
>>687022
>This doesn't matter. They didn't assimilate. There is no reason you should have an intelligentsia that is outside of your influence manipulating academic thought in your country.
That's understandable.
I get the reasoning (I've persecuted many digital representations of dissent in strategy games I've played), but unlike when I play Civ, they will be judged for it.
>It is one conducive to wealth which is a common desire of all mankind.
The question of the extent to which Jews were pigeonholed into unpopular positions is in question for me now, but I will still say, that sounds like the fault of their persecutors who hardly tried to escape from our shared gilded temptation.
>>687036
Glad to help.
What sparked your interest if you don't mind my asking?
>>687008
Funny thing - the 1250s or thereabouts Chronica Majora outright states that about half the high ranking clergy in England owe debt to Italian bankers. "Usury is a sin = Christians didn't lend money = Jews were bankers end of story" is not only simplistic, it is outright wrong (well perhaps not wrong with the first statement - but money finds a way, especially against something as intangible as religion). Exchange of currency was huge even in the beginning of the high middle ages - and an easy way of circumventing whatever clamor the Church might have made about usury and interest outright. And by the 13th century you have people like Henry of Susa arguing that lending capital was a loss (since you 'gave it away' to someone else and couldn't use it and profit from it yourself) so compensation for that was okay. Then comes the 14th century and commerce pushes whatever influence the Church might have had on enforcing its rules - which was at times debatable at best - even further away.
>>687022
>and I know for a fact that all of the problems in this country—culture of debt, single parenthood, pornography, materialism, unpatriotic outlooks, etc.—have a Jewish essence when traced back fad enough
oh bother
>>686937
>they came in europe from arab? in which time frame? did they feld or migrate?
Jews have been migrating since 8th century BCE.
Assyrian exile, Babylonian exile, Jewish-Roman wars, etc.
In fact, for the most part of their history, most Jews have been living outside the land of Israel.
Jews have been expelled pretty much anywhere they went, by virtually any people they've come in contact with, there's nothing inherently European about antisemitism.
>>687105
It's not true? Feminism, modern banking, socialism, etc. are Jewish. I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with feelings. It's reality.
>>687114
>Jews have been expelled pretty much anywhere they went, by virtually any people they've come in contact with, there's nothing inherently European about antisemitism.
Yeah, I think context like this is the most important point. People think it is ludicrous for a group to conspire, and so they don't believe it. It doesn't seem so ludicrous when you realize the accusations have been made by everyone who has had extended contact with them.
>>687152
>socialism
Societies have had socialist qualities prior to Jewish influence on "everything". Free bread and circuses?
Is there a point where necessity, populism, and population control turn into socialism?
>>686869
Except Gypsies actually are thieving cunts.
t. Someone who actually has met them unlike Western bleeding heart pansies
>>687192
OFFICIAL -IT'S OK TO ASSUME EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE ARE TRUE- LIST
>Gypsies/Roma
>Aboriginals
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>>686900
My grandfather swears to this day that Jews use Christian blood to make matzo bread. While claiming it's slanderous to say they killed people for it, he is sure Jews need at least a droplet.
Early 20th century was a weird time, huh.
>>687166
I mean the Enlightenment kind of socialism. All modern socialist thought goes back to the French Revolution, which was predicated on Freemasonry, which was heavily influenced by the Jewish Kabbalah.
This socialism is not beneficial to society. I know this because we are living in it. This is the "Enlightenment" Thomas Paine talked about (and Voltaire, etc.). It takes a special kind of stupid to focus on the words of an ideology, rather than watch the person's actions and results.
When I look around me, I don't see a healthy nation, even though "Equality, Fraternity, and Liberty" are more present than ever before. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what America is. I really can't say. Is it the land; is it cheeseburgers; is it Monday night football? This is the natural progression of all Jewish intellectual movements.
>>687086
hitler. he was a villain. but a charismatic one. and probably not uneducated... trying to understand his reasons and the supports he got.
>>687206
This one always amused me, what with the prohibition on eating blood in Exodus.
>>687410
Plus the basic logic:
Judaism is older than Christianity. How did they make matzo before Christians came around.
>>687500
In a pinch, polytheist blood will do.
They were foreigners that were hijacking the country through democracy.
>>686985
yes, but his point still stands. Jews had no qualms with abusing usury against gentiles and some rabbis even promoted it as a way to gain wealth. Up until the Haskalah, european jews purposely sought to segregate themselves from inferior gentiles.
>>686871
Hitler really did believe that the Jews are the enemies, though, whether it's a popular idea or not.
America is socialist today?
>>686891
The hate for jews traced back from the Roman Empire era, they were accused of killing Jesus
>>686848
Anti-semitism is historical thing, older than Hitler, much older.
The key factor driving Hitler was quite fake conspiracy theory made up by German officer corps, or I should say Prussian officer corps because the "spirit" was its driving force - all of them wanted fame more than victory, and surrendering was bad for their pride.
The conspiracy went:
>If the German revolution, led by Jews(totally, only jews) wouldn't happen we would win the war.
I know that wikipedia is wikipedia but I guess they've got their dates right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
> First stage: 29 October – 9 November 1918
What is important now is the situation on the front back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive
>On 8 October, the First and Third British Armies broke through the Hindenburg Line at the Second Battle of Cambrai.
And that battle basically marks the end of the war, later on you have slaughterhouses like Sierre where Belgians alone stopped the only German counter attack that happened after Cambrai in its final phase.
Was it because the backstabbing jews poisoned German soldiers' wells and therefore they couldn't fare or was it just Ludendorff's bluff to shift the blame from him and officer corps? The reason for it was pride, a very important part of "prussian spirit". For the same reason if it wasn't for navy striking German admiralty would totally go out of their ports and lose a grand battle against British-French-American blockading forces(and probably most of the fleet as well), achieving nothing but saving face.
Hitler himself hated jews during his bum days but that's another reason, he hated slavs back then as well and he was much lighter on them afterwards(he *only* wanted to kill their intelligentsia and sterilise them after taking aryan-looking kids from them for "re-education").
>>690348
>Sierre
serre*
>>686848
The root of this is a separate identity that Jews have maintained over the centuries, the degree of community cohesion, and the continuing segregation of this community (both by pressure of the majority, as by the option that minority). At the same time, many reached great prominence in various sectors.
By the highly tribal character of the Jews, they had it an immense difficulty to integrate in an equally tribal environment, as was the post-Roman Europe. So always remained as "the others."
The problems with the Islamic world are much more recent, and are linked to the Zionist genocidal ethnocracy deployed in the Levant.
Well, Hitler believed in a Jewish world conspiracy.
National Socialism saw in Jews an element of instability for the nation, as a cohesive and integrated body. The flag of internationalism - supported by both liberalism and the communism - it seemed to be the flag of the Jews. Added to this the tribal feeling of centuries, and we know what the outcome was.
