Why do guys in medieval style paintings always look chill or high or on something?
>>507973
everyone drank beer instead of water
also grain fields were full of wild plants, ergot and psychedelic mushrooms which would get swept up in the mix by peasants who had to labor all day dawn to dusk during the harvest season and didn't have the time or energy to pick out just the healthy wheat/barley/oats/rye
>>508102
What
>>508102
Do you really imply everyone was high and drunk during medieval ages?
>>508125
That wasn't the reason, but he mentions some very real things.
>>508102
Psychadelic substances would get destroyed by baking and the alcholic drinks such as beer were much more diluted than modern equivalents.
>>508129
yes.
they got by with a little help from their chums
>>508129
you could get a lot of drugs in the pharmacy legally until the middle of the 20th century.
real cocaine was an ingredient in coca cola.
almost all of the german army and nazi leadership was high on crystal meth.
so yeah. drugs were pretty common in all of human history. the criminalization of them is a pretty recent phenomenon. I would even go so far as to say that all major religions had their origin in drugs.
>>508133
So what was the reason? This isn't something religious as it seems same in jap or muslim drawings have cool guys having chill days or people concerned with their grades faces.
>>508142
Ergotism can actually be caused by infected crude bread.
>>508153
Them being accessable doesn't mean people were always high.
>>507973
Closeness to God means there are no worries in this mortal life.
>>508160
not all people. and most of them didn't even know they were "high". drug use became became pretty glorified through the mass media because it's edgy.
they simply smoked herbs in order to feel relaxed, more spiritual, healthier etc... they didn't think "Ohh I'm so edgy and badass I'm doing drugs". it was nothing more than herbs just like other herbs. see shamanic traditions of native americans. so there wasn't really a widespread culture and propaganda around it like today.
>>508102
>everyone drank beer instead of water
lad, people still drank water and average peasant brew was close to being water, for good reason
>>507973
Because these pictures are normally tiny book illustrations, so there isn't much room to execute facial expressions. Plus the aim was to clearly convey what is happening in a scene, rather than a photo realistic portrayal of the human form.
Artwork from the later middle ages can be delightfully expressive.
>>508153
Bioavailability of cocaine when admistered orally is poor. Methamphetamine won't make you like the people on Breaking Bad.
>>508102
That's not how harvesting grain crops by hand works. That's not how processing grain crops by hand works.
>>508186
Care to cite an example of Europeans smoking any kind of herbs during the middle ages?
>>508142
No m80. It dosent work like this... Alchol extract pratically a lot of stuff. And not good coocke stuff still psychedelic/toxic.
>>508245
European fairytales
nobody can come up with that shit without being high
>>508125
you heard me, they drank ale because it purified the water, household brewing was commonplace
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~pwp/tofi/medieval_english_ale.html
ergot contains chemicals similar to lysergic acid, there is some chemistry behind it
>>508129
>>508142
drunkenness was common, most rural peasants ate pottage or rye bread which is baked at lower temperatures than wheat (eaten by upper classes and in urban areas)
>>508196
alcohol content of about 2% was needed to purify the water, only about half as much as regular beer
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lDYL6793vMkC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=cytoplasmic#v=onepage&q=cytoplasmic&f=false
>>508239
there would still be bits of wild plants, ergot and mushrooms after threshing the wheat
>>508321
>~2%
So you drink twice as much. I'm not seeing your point.
>>508324
Except the whole point of threshing and winnowing is to remove anything other than the grains you want.
>>508245
M8, there are pipes in Europe prior the discovery of Tobacco in America.
Basically all pipes in the Old World were used to consume drugs before tobacco came around.
You know how Muslims got wasted without Alcohol? Drugs. Though Turkic Muslims didn't give a shit and drank wine anyway.
>>508321
Boiling made it safer to drink, not the alcoholic content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_beer
Post funny medieval paintings,etc.
>>508153
And remember children, Hitler Basically was on chocolate (meth) for the last few years of his life
>>507973
Because back then everyone was fucked on some substance or another.
Even the reason Shiva's eyes are half-closed in bliss is because he's literally baked.
>>508370
>>508370
>>508370
Ancient shitposting
>>508343
Iranians have always been a wine culture
>shiraz wine
>>508102
>everyone drank beer instead of water
yeah, and that "beer" had alcohol content of around 1-2%. a child could drink it as much as he wanted without feeling anyhow funny. it's more comparable to kvass or something than the stuff you order at the pub.
>>508396
If you were drinking shitty water booze you could still get drunk if you were determined enough.
And if you lived in the middle-ages you would be determined enough.
>>508396
Ancient Romans often drank honeyed vinegar.
>>508396
people were smaller and thinner back then
less body weight means it's easier to get drunk
>>508403
it they were determined to get drunk they drank something else than that. of course they had stronger ales and mead and wine, but that wasn't the same stuff they drank every day from dawn to dusk.
>>508406
dude, i wasn't kidding. a child can drink that light ale without getting drunk, they still do in areas where similiar drinks are part of food culture. a grown man, manlet or not, wouldn't feel a thing no matter how much he drinks it.
I've heard that, in that period of European history, society didn't value the feelings or experiences of individuals, only the grand history and events behind it.
>>508343
>M8, there are pipes in Europe prior the discovery of Tobacco in America.
<citation needed>
>>508459
i don't have a source atm (not who your replying to and its 4 am here holy shit i need to go to bed) but there have been proto-bongs dug up that belonged to scythian tribesmen
>>508422
an average child today is heavier than an adult in the middle ages
>>508468
>le everyone was tiny hobbits maymay
>>508468
<citation needed>
>>508468
that's just not true. and even if it were, you can't compare the two like that because child's liver and brains aren't fully developed.
>>508465
Scythians had not existed for more than a thousand years by the time OPs illustration was was being drawn. Not exactly compelling evidence that everyone in medieval Europe were smokers.
platonism/aristotelianism was all about "muh eternal values/essences". something shortlived as anger or happiness and most of human history was seen as a too specific "pollution" of eternal principles... only exception: religious ecstasis.
>>508473
>>508475
>>508479
people are tall today because modern medicine improved their genes.
but there are still people who didn't use modern medicine and still have their original medieval genes. pic related is how most people looked like (although kings and nobles were a little bit taller than peasants) citation: history and science
>>508512
1/10, pathetic bait. You get 1 for getting me to reply.
>>508468
One of those American fatso kid?
Not unlikely.
>>508520
>hurr people 500 years ago looked like the actors in muh hollywood movies
Son do you know how bad nutrition was? The guy in my picture would probably even be considered today beck then
>>508607
No.
>>508681
>>508686
Never trust a statistics you didn't forge yourself.
>>508699
>THE book on medieval battlefield archaeology is not trustworthy
>>508740
>The Bible is not trustworthy
