Was Mao the monster that China needed?
>>503507
He was one that worked, for better or worse
>>503507
China has a tendency to shatter and break into a hundred little warring states.
Mao, for better or for worse, welded the country together with terror.
Do not make the mistake of thinking they're NOT going to explode into republic of ching, republic of chong and kingdom of nip nong when their economy tanks, though.
>>503507
Mao had the mandate of Heaven :^)
>>503518
Why would you think their country is going to break up when the inevitable economic collapse happens?
Somewhat of a tangent, but does anyone know exactly how China ended up with such a fairly homogeneous society of Han Chinese?
Most nations in the world, especially in Africa, struggle massively with ethnic divides. China, despite its massive size, seems to mostly avoid this by having everyone be Han. How?
The fact that so many historians admire the Cultural Revolution, which destroyed an immense amount of historical and artistic knowledge, is proof enough that left-wing intellectuals are a cancer that should be lined up and shot.
>>503532
Because it's the same shit every single time
>emperor sweats on his throne, claiming lordship over all the land
>meanwhile everything outside "capitol" city turns into libertarian paradise at the slightest sign of central authority's power waning
every
single
FUCKING
time
>>503507
The country is populated by monsters so yes.
>>503542
>The fact that so many historians
[Who?]
>>503542
You just don't understand post-marxist leftism.
They subscribe to a wholly different view of the world than normal people.
To them, the more time passes, the more the world progresses towards the dream of communist utopia.
You know,
>come on, it's 2015!
and all that shit
They're not delusional or crazies or what have you. They sincerely believe right now is better than before on all accounts. It's just their relig... -whoops- I mean ideology ;)
Great, another /pol/ circlejerk.
>>503563
>anybody who dislikes mao is /pol/
huh
>>503540
Chinks fell for the racism meme.
they they found out ethnicity is just one excuse.
When you're han and the guy across the river is also han, you simply find another one to justify dislike for people not from your immediate area.
Ethnicity is just excuse #1
Out of infinity.
>>503543
Except this is the most centralized Gubmint that China ever had in its history.
Not to mention the modern world BTFO the traditional justification for rebellion: the Mandate of Heaven.
And Modern East Asians nowadays have a Status Quo > Social Upheaval mentality.
>>503553
See >>503563
If you object to the destruction of valuable texts during the Cultural Revolution you are a Nazi, that's how leftist historians think. Because having sources to study past societies isn't important, the important thing is the communist revolution.
Now tell me, how can we take people who hate their profession so much that they are willing to see the material upon it is based destroyed in the name of politics seriously again? When you read the text of a leftist, you have to remind that this person is not a human being like you and me who analyzes the past according to it's own terms. He is an activist that would gladly destroy everything and kill everyone to fit his political objectives and his revolutionary praxis.
>>503563
>you're /pol/
>n-no you're /pol/!
>NO!!! YOU'RE /pol/!!!!
Meanwhile on /pol/
>you're tumblr
>n-no you're tumblr!
>NO!!! YOU'RE tumblr!!!!
>>503582
>Except this is the most centralized Gubmint that China ever had in its history.
True, that's why I'm hedging my bets on the next time being a real big spectacle.
>this meeting is boring
>my feet hurt
>I wish I was at home writing poetry
>did Deng emphasize results over ideology? Do you even shatter the previous relationship to production?
>my first wife is dead
>my son is dead
>everyone here thinks socialism is only economic
>Is Lin Biao trying to read my lips?
>at least China will never return to being a source of cheap exploited labor for foreign companies, r-right guys?
Didn't Mao berate his wife because she was annoyed he was sleeping with another woman?
Absolute lad
>>503507
Mao's philosophical output is literally high-school tier. His knowledge of marxism was laughably bad. And the funniest part is that his own philosophical writings were the only philosophical writings allowed under his rule
>>504078
other way around, Mao was attacked by his wife for sleeping with another women. The best Mao biography in English is Rethinking Mao by Lee Feigon
>>504066
not only foreign companies this time
>>504084
>Mao's philosophical output is literally high-school tier. His knowledge of marxism was laughably bad.
Made sense to a lot of Asian/African Gommies though.
>Communism is pretty much for industrial societies m8.
>And we're fucking peasants/agrarian
>Ergo we can't just jump into gommunism yet.
>
>>504084
>>504084
To give some more info on this; let’s take a closer to look to one of the key aspects of Maoism: the cult of the peasantry and rural life.
In classical Marxism; physical labour is seen as a necessary evil; Marxism shows a tremendous amount of hopeful expectations of the technological development. Sooner or later, men will be freed by the burden of physical labour. But for Mao, physical labour is seen as a noble goal and it shows irreplaceable educational value. The roots of this concept lay in Mao’s vulgar interpretation of Marxist theory. In his work ‘On Practice’ Mao philosophises that all true knowledge can only be obtained through the materialistic dimension; Knowledge of food can only be acquired after cooking and eating, knowledge of a car can only be obtained after making and driving a car etc.
The result of this is that the ideal Chinese men in Mao’s vision is a synthesis of the blue and white collar worker. An intellectual should not only work with his brain, but should also be able to chop the trees required for the paper that would be used for the pressings of his work. But it goes even further; Reading too much books leads to moral and intellectual corruption, the more people knew the worse off they were. In various speeches ( conference of chengtu in 1958 for the fanatics), he explains that the most intellectual men of history were the ones with barely any formal education (Confucius, Jesus, Marx, all those guys didn’t know a lot when they started to form their ideas).
Moral of the story: intellectual should be purged and re-educated throughout labor camps, there should be less teaching hours at schools and universities and admissions to university should not be based on academical but purely on political criteria ( as the farmer has a better grasp of economics than the professor according to the chairman.
Was there ever one competent totalitarian leader?
>>504207
Adolf Hitler
>>504163
>Reading too much books leads to moral and intellectual corruption, the more people knew the worse off they were
that is a very wrong interpretation. If Mao thought education was bad, why did he emphasize education? Why did he want everyone to be educated? You are focusing on the 1 percent of chinese urban intellectuals, but not on the rural people who learned to read and went to university for the first time in their live because of Mao's policies.
Of course tales of butthurt from the children of purged high ranking party officials will sell in the west and those books are the only ones that can be published. But will anybody outside of a few anthropologist who were raised in rural china during the cultural revolution ever write works about how the rural chinese benefited from decentralization and the construction of social safety nets and infrastructure in the rural areas.
To fully examine Mao's policies, you have to examine the people who they affected the most, the rural chinese.
>>504066
Reading about Mao's life is actually hilarious. He's like a proto-/r9k/ archetype and if you examine modern Chinese history from this perspective it all makes sense.
>At age 13, Mao finished primary education, and his father had him married to the 17-year-old Luo Yigu, uniting their land-owning families. Mao refused to recognise her as his wife, becoming a fierce critic of arranged marriage and temporarily moving away. Luo was locally disgraced and died in 1910.
He didn't fall for the women meme.
>Viewing himself as an intellectual, years later he admitted that at this time he thought himself better than working people.
Mao loved the NEET lifestyle.
>Mao's physician Li Zhisui described him as conducting business either in bed or by the side of the pool, preferring not to wear formal clothes unless absolutely necessary.
NEET life all day.
>significant numbers of landlords and well-to-do peasants were beaten to death at mass meetings organised by the Communist Party as land was taken from them and given to poorer peasants
Normies BTFO.
>>504243
Losing is the height of incompetence m8.
>>503518
Nah, it'll be more like the Soviet Union collapsing. 20 years later we'll get butthurt Beijing invading independent Turkestan because muh Chinese peepul.
>>504260
Losing what? Power? Then democratically-elected officials are even more incompetent than your average dictator (or even warlord for that matter). The longest running president of the USA only lasted 12 years.
>>504245
Mao never emphasized education. Never. He was ok with peasants learning how to read, but that’s where it stops.
CHAIRMAN MAO: Throughout history, very few of those who came first in the imperial examination have achieved great fame. The celebrated T’ang dynasty poets Li Po and Tu Fu were neither chin-shih nor han-lin.[21] Han Yü and Liu Tsungyilan[22] were only chin-shih of the second rank. Wang Shih-fu, Kuan Han-ch’ing,[23] Lo Kuan-chung,[24] P’u Sung-ling, Ts’ao Hsueh-ch’in were none of them chin-shih or han-lin. P’u Sung-ling was a hsiu-ts’ai who had received promotion, he wanted to rise to the next higher rank, but he was not a chü-jen.[25] None of those who became chin-shih or han-lin wore successful. Only two of the emperors of the Ming dynasty did well, T’ai-tsu and Ch’eng-tsu. One was illiterate, and the other only knew a few characters. Afterwards, in contrast, in the Chia-ch’ing reign, when the intellectuals had power, things were in a bad state, the country was in disorder.[26] Han Wu Ti and Li Hou-chu[27] were highly cultivated, and ruined the country. It is evident that to read too many books is harmful. Liu Hsui was an academician, whereas Liu Pang was a country bumpkin.[28]
CHAIRMAN MAO: The present method of education ruins talent and ruins youth. I do not approve of reading so many books. The method of examination is a method for dealing with the enemy, it is most harmful, and should be stopped.
We shouldn’t read too many books. We should read Marxist books, but not too many of them either. It will be enough to read a dozen or so. If we read too many, we can move towards our opposites, become bookworms, dogmatists, revisionists. In the writings of Confucius, there is nothing about agriculture. Because of this, the limbs of his students were not accustomed to toil, and they could not distinguish between the five grains. We must do something about this.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-9/mswv9_14.htm
>>504323
To say a bit more. Yes, he supported literacy, but he never went further than this. He despised 'intellectuals' ( and according to Mao you could become an intellectual after reading a dozen books). Mao disliked theoretical education, his own 'philosophical' work is a clear represent of this
>>504323
>an intellectual writing shit about the intelligentsia
Kek, Lenin did the same.
>>504307
Losing the war?
Hitler made a lot of retarded decisions m8.
>>503507
Mao? 7/10
That''s the best the politburo can offer.
>>504389
Mao wasn't an intellectual. Mao was a strategist, a fantastic leader but absolutely not part of the intelligentsia
>>503540
>Be Ying Zheng
>form the first Chinese Empire
>destroy every kingdom, proclaim yourself Augustus Sovereign
>see yourself as a creator. Which not only have created a new state, but also a new people. EVERYONE IS CITIZEN OF QIN NOW: DO NOT DARE CALL YOURSELF CHU, HAN, WU.ETC YOU SUBHUMANS.
>fast forward Qin falls
>Han takes over
>the Han continue the policy of Qin
>Han assimilate other peoples
>fast forward again
>China Dynasties have hegemony for years, making the assimilation absolute.
Han Chinese is not a single ethnicity. It is more of a cultural union than anything else. Even this term is wrong because Han culture differs from province from province, especially between North and South.
Han could be compared with being a Roman Citizen. If Rome still existed today, we might have seen Romans as a ethnicity/nationality, even when it consists of various different people.
>>503563
>hating Mao makes you a /pol/tard
Yeah nah, sorry commie.
>>504248
Mao only was the Chinese example of the universal beta uprising: the French Revolution
>>503543
The difficulties of centrally governing such a geographically large country is substantially diminished with modern communication and transportation, not to mention surveillance. The Chinese spend a fucking fortune on surveillance.
>>504888
That's not what he said or implied. Are you literally retarded?
