Why don't we dress this way anymore? Its a beautiful way to appear, and people could afford to do so. Panners and such wouldnt need whalebone because we have substitutions, and precious gems could be fakes. Just imagine going to the grocery store or pa5ing taxes dressed like this!
General "Out of natural style" thread
>>497729
Case French fashion of the XVII-XVIII Centuries is shit.
The Spanish one from just earlier on the other way.
Sober, with just a touch of colour.
>>497744
Its because they were in a poorer country with a shitty economic system and an infertile, overly inbred king whose death caused the war of the Spanish Succession.
>>497729
uncomfortable
Why didn't people in the 18th century dress like people did in the 15th century? Why didn't people in the 15th century dress like people did in the 12th century? Etc.
>>497729
no ones stopping you m8
>>497791
right? go for it.
>these will NEVER make a comeback
>>497760
Yet, they have a superior taste
We have much more technology at our disposal. Zippers, clips, clasps, snap buttons, and elastic all mean we can attach clothing to ourselves much more efficiently. This means clothing can be much more form fitting while at the same time not skin tight.
Most buildings have some form of heating or cooling, so elaborate designs to keep you at the right temperature are unnecessary.
Almost everyone is involved in an occupation where having loose shit hanging everywhere is somewhere between hazardous and annoying.
The people in your picture were quite wealthy. The upper crust of society is still very well dressed, they just aren't as floppy.
Fashion trends change.
>>497729
Because it was terribly uncomfortable and a massive hassle to put on.
Do you have two servants who help you get out of bed and dressed every morning? Probably not.
Would you want to spend thirty minutes to an hour trying to put this on yourself? Probably not.
Why don't the very wealthy who can afford these servants invest in this any more? Because of democratic attitudes which make the elite want to seem ''ordinary'' and give everyone the illusion that they are ''middle class''.
>>497816
Thank God.
What were people in the 90's thinking?
>>497729
Because societal standards have allowed us to dress more for comfort.
As someone who has actually worn varieties of men's fashion from between the 8th and 19th centuries, I can tell you that a lot of it is uncomfortable as fuck, especially the stuff from between the 15th and early 20th century.
>>497915
Modern women(and even a lot of metrosexual men) use hours and hours in front of the mirror anyway m8.
It's not like things really have changed, the look just has.
My honest answer? Capitalism and industrialization.
You can't mass produce those kinds of clothes on the same scale you can produce simpler styles. Also, they're symbols of aristocracy, royalty, leisure, ect, people wanted to be like that, so they emulated those styles. After industrialization (especially in places like America) and the development of capitalism we started to appreciate industrialists, bankers, wealthy people like that who worked hard to achieve fortunes and provided the common people with a group of people they not only wanted to be like, but could aspire to and possibly become (however unlikely); and so when dressing formally we dress like we want to be a CEO, not a King.
Those clothes take long amounts of time to put on and might even require servants (wearing clothes which required servants to put on used to be a big status statement), as modern society developed people had less and less free time, modern clothes take a fraction of the time to put on as the ones OP has described.
Working class people needed much more flexibility and durability from their clothes, so we have things like durable blue jeans instead of rigid and fragile but beautiful trousers.
The gradual relaxing of social pressures and increasing tolerance of the past couple of centuries has allowed more clothing styles to become acceptable, and people today value different things than those of the past who would wear colorful and complex clothes, and that's reflected in our fashion choices.
I think all these theories are feasible and some combination of them has led to modern clothing style.
Because ancient and medieval people were gaudy as fuck
And T-shirts + Jeans = comfy and easy to wear while remaining stylish
>>499758
This, pretty much.
For a random example since I had to write about this the other day: the standard modern tie. Before the industrial revolution, neck ties were made of delicate material, were fancy as fuck, and you usually had to have a butler or an upper servant put them on because they were so complex. They would usually have to be re-tied multiple times throughout the day or evening, and wouldn't last very long because of the material, but they were for show and it didn't matter. During/after the industrial revolution, more people were getting jobs that either required them to dress nicely or they finally had the money to wear something nice. The 'old' style of neckties weren't compatible with jobs or working class men--they needed something that wouldn't come undone and could last the entire working day. Hence the modern tie.
>>499795
Why do we wear ties anyways?
It's always baffled me, it just seems so random.
>>497729
>costs more
>less comfortable
>less practical
>too hot or not hot enough
>takes longer to dress up
>takes longer to undress
>easier to ruin/harder to care for and clean
>good looks are subjective
lots of reasons
Industry created cheap means to create clothes, it upped competition while producing standard sizes. People want practical clothes.
In old times you'd have tailors and women who would be invited to other peoples homes to measure their size and would make fitting clothes but had to compete with factories, making their income meagre.
Besides these clothes are for parties and formalities, like getting painted or getting taken pictures of. Which is why you see them so much.
>>497729
>>499758 for 99% of people, but you still have subcultures who dress like that: though it is still a quite small minority, in more fashionable and trendy areas around Tokyo you'll run into some pretty dedicated gothic lolita communities, which shows that people still can and do dress that way if they can find a social niche to justify it.
Good, the XVIII Century has the faggiest and pompous style. Late XIX was the best in fashion history imho.
>>498870
I find 15th century mens clothes to be quite comfortable, providing they are fitted to you and not off the peg one size fits some. Nice and snug and all supporting each other.
Whoever decided men should be tied into their trousers needed flaying and then drowning in ammonia.
>>499802
Croat fucking shits popularizing them on France back in the XVII century. Became a staple of manly wardrobe.
![15655_celebrity_city_christian_dior_paris_s_s_07_haute_couture_64_123_468lo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HQLzs89.jpg "15655_celebrity_city_christian_dior_paris_s_s_07_haute_couture_64_123_468lo[1].jpg")
>we
Not a good term for hand crafted garments.
But there are plenty of couture house open, wich means you can still dress much better than that, and more confortably, if you are into this sort of thing.
>>499802
in Europe: Croatian mercenary soldiers stationed in France during the 30 years war wore these neck coverings as part of their formal uniforms. Engravings were made of these uniforms and French courtiers loved them and started wearing 'inspired' coverings themselves. Louis XIV, who was still young, decided to wear something inspired by those coverings as a way to acknowledge the Croatian soldiers' help and because it was considered fashionable as fuck.
So basically, fashion. Over the next 100+ years they branched off into various types of scarves and coverings, until the modern style tie (the long strip of fabric knotted) was invented due to practicality and durability. Easy on, easy off, but still made you look professional/a man of means.
>>497816
>never
fashion can be pretty cyclical, give it another 15 years
Those clothes were wanted because it was lucrative rarity and status back then. Now everyone see it as mostly garish cheap garbage for children and carnival attendants.
![tumblr_ltwgd9YiLb1qfk5vjo1_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Y8NO0yj.jpg "tumblr_ltwgd9YiLb1qfk5vjo1_1280[1].jpg")
>>499879
Those are beyond kitsch and childish desu.
Also, they look cheap, not like I'd imagine the clothes in OP's image.
>>499879
You can still dress like a dandy now if you want. Just balance it out with a few simpler pieces and wear it like you own the fucking world.
Although if you're under 6 feet you'll look pretty dumb.
>>500149
Forgot pic
You can see fedoras forcing to wear old style clothing and style in their daily life. It doesn't work well.
>>500173
Might work if you're handsome like this guy. I know a couple of good looking guys who can pull off old style clothing and look like some shining beacon of nobillity.
>>499881
Fucking this. That 1920s style... I miss when guys used to dress in suits all the time. It was so handsome. I also kind of miss when girls always used to wear dresses. it was so pretty
