What if Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan developed an atomic bomb before the Allies did?
>>495331
I don't see Japan developing any nukes at all.
But if Germany develops a nuke, I'm pretty damned sure Hitler would just drop it on London and cause the British to surrender.
They'd probably be lucky if he didn't decide to strap it on a V2.
>>495331
>Japs with Nukes
goodbye California
>Krauts with Nukes
goodbye London
>>495498
The Eternal Anglo is inferior to Slavs.
They'd bomb both, anyway.
>>495331
In either case, Since america would still have the Manhattan project, we would probably just redouble our efforts because we knew that they wouldn't be able to produce the amount that they needed to actually destroy us.
Put them on submarines.
Sail into New York harbor.
Spend a few months doing raids on Russian cities, including Moscow, using your largest bombers to drag those Gotha gliders packed with explosives. Then one time put a nuke in one instead.
The thing about Japan is that they had no capacity to defend against the bomb, even when they knew what it was. Britain and Russia (and Germany) could have. They could only be surprised by it once from the air, and maybe two or three times from the sea. It's use as a giant land-mine would only come into play on the Eastern Front; and while it would work every time, it wouldn't be decisive.
If Germany gets it, war is extended by four months in Europe, with Allies and Soviets meeting at Berlin. If Japan gets it any time after 43, there is no change in how long the war is in the Pacific.
>>495331
>Imperial Japan developed an atomic bomb
kek
>>495536
Neither Japan nor Germany could use it as affectively as we did.
We already had nearly unrestricted access to our enemies airspaces. Dropping a nuke was trivial at that point.
It could have been a successful standoff weapon placed around Berlin though. It would have fit Hitlers idealism.
>>495331
that's like asking what if Japan carpet bombed washington in 1934
>>495616
german nuclear research was focused on energy production, not weapons, so that they could funnel the coal and oil being burned for power to fuel for war vehicles.
Nuclear power generation and nuclear weapons are entirely different technologies.
They had no way of delivering the bomb to a target that mattered. Maybe Paris would get nuked but that's about it.
They'd have needed to develop the nuke before 1942.
>>495331
I remember reading somewhere that the Nazis couldn't have come up with the A bomb because it was linked to Einstein's work and they thought it was Jewish physics or something stupid like that.
>>495703
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik
Japan did succesfully test a nuclear weapon shortly before the end of the war. Glad they couldnt use it tho they were fucking savages
>>495791
Battlefield Bad Company 2 wasn't a documentary nigga.
>>495498
This.
Hitler would have bombed Moscow and Leningrad and the Brits would have negotiated a ceasefire.
>>495797
Bro i know its not common knowledge but its true
>>495822
source?
>>495331
Being generous here and assuming that they have the means and wherewithal to do it...
>Germany
Baleets an important Russian city or three; "wins" in the east and then the allies back off because they're shit-scared.
>Japan
'Murrica side-steps Operation Downfall and just razes everything they can get at in an effort to destroy their capability to use the bomb again.
>>495791
Actually Japan did come up with a biological weapon that was the fruit of their labors in facilities like Unit 731 that they planned to unleash on San Francisco. However, they were nuked months before the planned attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night
>>495331
>What if Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan developed an atomic bomb before the Allies did?
Alien Space Bats would have been involved in industrial development from the 1850s.
>>495616
How are the Germans ever going to get a bomb to New York?
>>495495
>Goodbye California
How?
>>496750
>How are the Germans ever going to get a bomb to New York?
The same space magic that lets them make one.
Japs dreamed to colonize America
>>495331
I can't see Japan developing a bomb at all.
If Germany develops a bomb, it would not likely change the course of the war: They have no efficient delivery means, and no large enough source of uranium for large-scale bomb production. Remember, a 1945 nuke is "only" about as powerful as a raid with 1,000 or so heavy bombers. They provided a pretext for Japan, already lost by every conventional metric, to bow out of the war, they're not going to break say, the U.S. or the UK or Russia if they're winning otherwise.
>>495399
A v-2 doesn't have the payload to carry something like the Fat Man.
>>497007
would the brits really keep fighting after London gets glassed?
>>497019
If you have a nuke the power of say, the Fat Man, a single bomb over Lodon isn't going to "Glass" the city.
A surface detonation of the Fat Man bomb (you want surface detonations if you're trying to break into undergrtound shelters) has a fireball radius of 260 meters, and a 20 psi air blast radius of 1.1 km.
It's not going to destroy London. Dent it, sure. Kill a lot of people, sure. But if you want to "glass" the city? Kill say, 3/4 of the population? You'll probably need 20 or so bombs, delivered more or less simultaneously.
Mere development of a nuke does not imply that kind of delivery capacity.
>>497019
>would the brits really keep fighting after London gets glassed?
Of course, the same space magic that gave the Nazis a bomb and delivery mechanism is in effect.
>>495331
These cases assume the Germans or the Japanese build a successful atomic bomb around 1944.
If the Germans developed the bomb, they'd launch it at London. From 1940, with the Blitz, to 1944, with the V-2s, the terror bombing of England seemed to be a priority.
>>495498
>Drop it on Moscow
It would also be plausible, but since the atomic bomb would be seen as more of a vengeance weapon than a strategic one, a drop on London is just a little more likely.
If the Japanese develop the bomb, then it would be deployed in Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night, as a replacement for the pathogens. The atomic bomb would be a far more effective terror weapon than the bioweapons it would have had.
>>497130
A V-2 can't carry a payload the size of a 1st gen nuclear bomb. You'd need to either get it in on a submarine somehow, or hope that one of your few very large bombers can make it there without being blown out of the sky.
>>497159
Didn't say they would strap it on a V-2, but I did say launch, so...
They'd probably create a specialised rocket for it, and probably miss their target. The bombers would also be brought down quite quickly. The submarine is most effective, but having little naval expertise, I don't know how that would work. Probably a suicide bombing in one of London's ports?
>>497178
A suicide london bombing could work if you can get close enough. The problem is, those first nukes don't have great blast radii, and the closer you can get to the heart of London, the more damage you can do.
And the closer you get to the Thames Estuary, or try to get your sub up the Thames, the higher your chances of detection are. How much do you want to play the risk/reward game here?
Read the man in the high castle or watch the adaptation amazon made last year. That deals the idea that the Nazis developed the bomb and hit Washington causing the US to surrender leading to the Germans and Japanese winning WW2 and partitioning the country. It is set in the 60's located in what the US would have been like under the rule of these two empires.
>>499841
>That deals the idea that the Nazis developed the bomb and hit Washington causing the US to surrender leading to the Germans and Japanese winning WW2 and partitioning the country.
And a very retarded idea it is too.
>>499870
yes but most alternative histories require you to suspend some disbelief. Alternative histories are what ifs. If the what ifs were plausible they would have been what happened. The show is entertaining though
>>499898
> Alternative histories are what ifs. If the what ifs were plausible they would have been what happened
Not at all. It is completely plausible for say, Wilhelm to have come up with Lisle Rose's suicide cruise plan at the beginning of WW1, but he did not in fact do so. It would be plausible for Hitler to have a better understanding of the geopolitical toes he was stepping on and taken steps to lower his threat profile in the late 30s, but that didn't happen.
Man in the High Castle requires a ridiculous chain of wildly implausible things to all happen, and seems to omit quite a few facts besides; like how he claims the carriers were sunk at Pearl Harbor (plausible) which led to the Japanese domination in the Pacific theater (what happened to the other 5 pre-war carriers?)
There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's total lunacy.
What if they were wizards?
>>497213
What about an underwater detonation in the Thames?
>>495331
What if the Japanese could walk on water and blow up battleships with their minds?
What if the Germans could fly without aircraft and shoot bombs from their ass?
Dare i say the middle east would be far more quiet, and pure, and white? Gee don't mind the idea of that at all, and the pigs can go on kneeling on their mats, while building our future for us. We need to keep them underfoot like the pigs they are. In pens no less, as they are no different than filth
>>499990
Himmler tried, and it STILL didn't help.
Likewise, although I think a well-placed nuke on London would've ended the UK's participation in the war, America likely would've needed several nuclear bombardments, and the loss of its command, to throw in the towel.
>>496812
9/11 1943 never forget.
>>496750
A Nazi engineer has an insane idea and Hitler throws cash at him.
It only has to work one time.
Friendly reminder that Hitler even refused chemical weapons because he considered them inhumane.
>>495331
On a similar, What if the Nazis tried to SeaLion, but had help from Alien Space Bats?
>>495331
Daily reminder that one of the reason the NatSocs didn't get a nuke was because of German physicists railing against "Jewish Physics" and being anti-Einstein.
So, lets thank whatever gods may be, for the Nazis being ideologically retarded.
>>496934
Is this quote for real? Like:
>Should have been ours by right of discovery.
These mother fuckers spent years having clans fighting clans, shutting themselves off, and not doing what European powers/few Asian powers did and say it should've been their by discovery.
>>499841
I don't remember Nazis developing a bomb in MITHC. US' failure was due to politics years before the war and that's perfectly plausible.
