Can anyone tell me exactly what happened?
A bunch of immigrant squatters got #btfo, then a bunch of butthurt diaspora joined forces with a bunch of unstable gun fetishists and turned it into a meme on an anime website.
>>493609
pretty much this, you bladdy "when-we".
here
http://www.missedinhistory.com/podcasts/a-condensed-history-of-rhodesia/
>>493609
>>493596
You're typical case of a colonial ruling class being toppled by the native populous.
The only reason its even remotely noteworthy here is because "apparently" it was a relatively good African nation to live in before it was broken.
Not sure how much of it is hyperbolic truth or romanticized fiction.
Take everything you hear about Rhodesia on this site with a grain of salt because /pol/ tends to pull this up as an example as to why Africans are no good.
>>493623
>You're
Jesus I'm sorry
>Your*
Here is a concise pro-Rhodesia post.
And here is a nice documentary that leans a bit anti-rhodesian.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0S2NKlMW0vc
Basically, as soon as Angola and SA stopped supporting them, they stopped fighting.
They still never lost an engagement and are probably the best counter insurgency force in history.
If Mugabe and his ilk had been kept out of power.
>>493829
Its a shame that image has objective mistruthes in it, its not just a pro post it contains a lot of outright deception.
>>494594
It's realitivly accurate, and doesn't go full
>raycis white muddafuckas
Thread music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDcK_z5GA5s
>>494689
It lies about the fact that the Constitution explicitly banned black majority rule no matter how educated they became and lies about the fact that education was only available to whites for free and that blacks were only educated indirectly through missionary schools rather than by actual teachers. A fact reflected by education for blacks only being around 1% of their education spending.
>>494754
Actually it doesn't, there is still debate weather the 8 tribal positions are inclusive or not. Because they are seperate from the 15 black positions that were initially held.
>>494915
Not true
>>494982
It is not clear that tribal leader seats are outside of the total 50.
It is pretty evident that the 8 were seperated from the 15 seats held by Africans at the time.
>>495005
You seem to be handwaving the part where it states explicitly African members may *never* exceed the number of Europeans.
The tribal leaders you talk of are only relevant to the composition of the senate.
>>495039
And what? Allow 51% topple over the rest?
It is very difficult to formulate a somewhat democratic government with a former group minority rulers and it's own transfer to power.
It is still unclear about the 8 tribal leaders, not in the Senate.
>>493596
>Can anyone tell me exactly what happened?
No, nobody can ever tell you that.
This is because the number of tellable things is greater than the time left in the universe to tell, even about something as pathetic as Rhodesia.
No humanly limited summary will be "exact," therefore the answer to your question is "no," historical works will never be "exact" to "what happened" in a pissant little white minority state that you masturbate over.
>>495084
>And what? Allow 51% topple over the rest?
No merely allow 98ish percent of the population to be held subjected to 2 percent of the population. You can ensure the protection of minorities without mandating that minorities hold peak political power.
>It is very difficult to formulate a somewhat democratic government with a former group minority rulers and it's own transfer to power.
It literally banned people based on the colour of their skin, no matter how educated or wealth they became being African meant that you were constitutionally barred from entering parliment if doing so would mean that the 2% would no longer have majority control.
>It is still unclear about the 8 tribal leaders, not in the Senate.
No it it isnt, its simply that of the initial 16 members 8 are chosen equally by the voters of Mashonaland and Matabeleland and the other eight are selected by electoral colleges in those two territories. There is differentiation in how they are selected however the irrespective of whether they are chosen by ethnic electoral colleges or direct vote the total number is still below that of Whites as required by the Constitution
>>495134
>it literally banned people on color of skin
No, it was national origin friend.
98% of the population was never subjected to the 2% wealthy educated ruling class as some large percent; I would say 40-45% of the population was tribal and outside of the system of Governance.
Africans could become part of Governance as long as they were educated friend.
You're thinking that these Africans are equal in any way to Europeans and capable of upholding protections againts minorities rather than completely eliminating them or taking away all of their land.
Also mind you, this is not an African government or country. It is a European one, no state existed before Rhodesia. Only tribes.
>>495385
>No, it was national origin friend.
Well it certianly didnt apply to White people born in Africa.
>Africans could become part of Governance as long as they were educated friend.
See>>494982 and "no matter how educated or wealth they became being African meant that you were constitutionally barred from entering parliment if doing so would mean that the 2% would no longer have majority control."
>You're thinking that these Africans are equal in any way to Europeans and capable of upholding protections againts minorities rather than completely eliminating them or taking away all of their land.
No all Im doing is posting sources that contradict the rosey narrative you are constructing about Rhodesia that has no basis in fact. Issues of equality and the like are of no signifigance to me, all that I take issue with is the blatant revisionism and deception by Rhodesiaboos and their posts. This is a history and not a politics board after all
>>495385
Also do you concede the point regarding the place of the 8 tribal leaders? Or are you another poster altogher?
>>495433
Europeans by blood are the blood of the nation. They still originate from Europe.
Did you watch Rhodesia 1976?
also there is a big IF, IF they exceed 50% they will be barred.
>>495442
I am unassured about your sources, as the one you continue to provide for the education provisions comes from 2006, and not backed up by governmental sources.
I would like to see both of them upheld by another organization (such as wikipedia).
>>495525
>being this autistic about an already addressed point
Rhodesians were some Dutch and English, they never claimed that they built them.
>>495549
>also there is a big IF, IF they exceed 50% they will be barred.
So youve gone from no they werent barred to yes they would be barred but it would be unlikely it would ever get to that stage.
>I am unassured about your sources, as the one you continue to provide for the education provisions comes from 2006, and not backed up by governmental sources. I would like to see both of them upheld by another organization (such as wikipedia).
My source regarding the Chiefs and the political make up is a peer reviewed article from 1970. Likewise neither yourself or any of your likeminded friends have provided a single source outside of a screenshot and a 30 minute video.
When are you actually going to start providing actual sources for your claims? Ive provided peer reviewed journals with pinpoint referencing
Heres yet another source about the discrimintory education system and spending in Rhodesia
Educational legislation in colonial Zimbabwe (1899-1979) Richards, Kimberly ; Govere, Ephraim
Journal of Educational Administration and History, 2003, Vol.35(2), p.145
>>495525
I can build you a Great Zimbabwe with 100 people over two months. It's literally just fucking rocks stacked up on one another.
>>495571
Israel was the military supplier of last resort when the western governments turned their backs on Rhodesia.
>>495779
Heres another interesting source whereby Rhodesia removed pay equality for black educators that had previously been in place.
>>495837
Hence being a black teacher automatically got you payed less money. The source
Education in Post-apartheid South Africa: Some Lessons from Zimbabwe. Add to e-Shelf
Education in Post-apartheid South Africa: Some Lessons from Zimbabwe.
Lemon, Anthony Comparative Education, 1995, Vol.31(1), p 102
Still waiting for those sources Rhodesiaboos
>>493596
A bunch of teenaged Americans from /pol/ have a super-fetish for a country that ceased to exist 30 years before they were born and spam threads constantly on /his/ since the day it was born, getting repeatedly BTFO by people who have actually read a book, and now everyone is super sick of it because there's only so much discussion to be had about that one time a shitty little band of self-imposed exiles who ran away from England because they were butt-hurt the Tories lost an election got BTFO by the natives.
>>496115
They weren't really BTFO by the natives
had to bow to the power of concerted global embargo and sanctions against them
coupled with the fact that it was only 5% white people
>>493609
The most prosperous southern African country was toppled by Communist backed guerillas and the West turned its back on the legitimate government of Rhodesia.
>>496123
>had to bow to the power of concerted global embargo and sanctions against them
>coupled with the fact that it was only 5% white people
These were certainly contributing factors to them getting BTFO, but it doesn't change the fact they got BTFO
>>496151
Lol no South African beat it pretty ahrd.
Rhodesia was the Canada to South Africa but even more irrelevant.
>>496171
I mean Rhodesia was the Canada to South Africa's America
Still waiting for all those government statistics that prove all my sources wrong.
still waiting
>>495793
no one claimed you couldn't build it.
>>496818
Ah the hilarious hypocrisy of a Rhodesia boo all the proof you need for your Rhodesian fantasies is one copy pasted picture, with not a single reference. However for views that go against yours you require peer reviewed articles that were written prior to 2011 with pinoint references and full biography.
Its referring to two separate acts so you can just look up each individual one the act, as the rest of the text the references are there as I show in my picture.
Currently your views on Rhodesia are literally based on a meme, actually post something to substantiate it and show some integrity and ill actually go to the trouble of getting more extensive source lists.
Be straight with us do you actually have anything to back up your views outside of your feelings and that picture?
You can say what you want but they were damn good fighters.
>>496843
im heading off for the night hope to see some of those sources when I get back, or if the thread is archived we can just do the same dance of me providing increasingly more and higher quality sources whilst you continue to say "na-uh" not good enough 4 me
>>496866
If that pilot's name was George, I have his old camo gear. He died on Christmas day of lung cancer.
When he gave all of his stuff to my mom to give to charity, every one of his jackets had a packet of tissues in them. That there preparedness.
Well, he is in Valhalla now. We can only hope that the blacks killed by his chopper aren't there as well, because that might be awkward.
>>496889
Didn't die in battle no Valhalla for him and as pilot his qualities as a warrior are tenable though I think Odin could appreciate a good chopper run on jotun
>>496889
Really? wow
>>496869
Do you have Autism?
Well it was basically the best country in Africa, ruled by whites but was fair and equal, but then the blacks had to chimp out and fuck it all up.
>>493596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyJFRTJgPbU
every time
>>495793
The actual stonemasonry isn't the hard part, true. It's quarrying and transporting the stone, providing food, shelter, clothing, tools, and other necessaries to the workers, and so on. It's evidence that the Zimbabwean civilisation was able to organise large projects, either through a bureaucracy or contractors and merchants, and that their economy was developed enough to support specialisation of labour.
>>496903
> I cant justify my views so I better call him an autist
Zimbabwean Rhodesia =/= Rhodesia
Rhodesia was nothing after Zambia became independant.
t. half rhodesian
>>496843
post bigger pic m8. I want to read this shit
>>499380
I'll post a better resolution of it when the Rhodesiaboos actually post some of their own sources
>>496843
Nobody is denying Zimbabwean natives were discriminated against, but Cecil was absolutely a lesser evil to Mugabe.
Not to mention the amount of FDI it's taken to keep Zimbabwe's economy afloat.
>>499361
Good point.
They also got Malawi for a short time but it was a bonus since Malawi had little mineral deposits and no Euros at all barring the very ver few (1927 0.115% of population to 1960 0.55% of population or 1700 to 9300)
>>496949
Fuck no South Africa was better and even then most of the time people always omit north Africa from best country in Africa shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnu2lMunSPY
>Rhodesia is british colony
>Rhodesia declares independence
>Pretty much everyone is pissed off
>Pretty much everyone embargoes them
>Lots of warlords and soviets go the Africa routine of fucking up everything
>Rhodesia concedes after a while, Robert Mugabe wins, redistributes wealth and land to people who dont know what they're doing
>>499538
>Nobody is denying Zimbabwean natives were discriminated against, but Cecil was absolutely a lesser evil to Mugabe.Not to mention the amount of FDI it's taken to keep Zimbabwe's economy afloat.
Thats simply moving the goalposts from
"Majority rule was going to happen once the natives were educated enough and that there was no such thing as consitutional rascism"
and that dross about the "quality" education for the natives
to
He was the lesser of two evils.
Why have there been 4ish threads where the people who disagree with still not posting a source to justify their claims?
>>499583
this. rhodies can fuck off. they never went surfing on the beaches of natal. they never went trekking in the drakensberg and looked at bushman paintings. there is nothing in rho/zim to compare with jo'burg, pretoria, cape town or durbs by the sea. there is no rhodie valley of the thousand hills. there is no rhodie mont-aux-sources. there is no rhodie wild coast.
FUCK OFF RHODIES SOUTH AFRICA WAS AND IS AN ALWAYS WILL BE BETTER. FUCK YOU WHEN-WE CUNTS
>>499723
They did have the coolest waterfall on the planet
>>493596
In a very short nutshell.
MO' SHUGGA
MUH FUGGA
BIX NOOD!
>Rhodies and /pol/ seriously thought they could somehow convince 90% of the population into being second class citizens when everyone else was getting democratic transitions and civil wars
>They seriously believe that if Great Britain had just believed hard enough, the bush war could have been averted and control retained in the hands of the white minority
>tfw free zambian blood running through my veins
Rhodesia was a mistake
>>499745
weird. i thought the berlyn falls were in natal.
or were you referring to vic falls which are in zambia?
>>493609
t. cuck
>>499782
The victoria falls which at least in part are in Zimbabwe or a least best viewed thereat least where I saw it from. Was funny seeing the look on their faces though as Zimbabweans and South Africans can see it for free which meant an Afrikaner in our group didnt have to pay which flustered them.
>>499723
Rhodesia was always subordinate to South Africa.
If nothing happened during the cold war Rhodesia would've been a defacto province of South Africa and flood the state with Southie friendly people who would have great control over the state since surprise surprise compared to Rhodesia South Africa can actually bring in Euros on top of comparatively actually have a surplus!
>>499811
>surplus
A surplus of people I mean.
>>499782
Zambia was literally part of Rhodesia.
>>499811
the plan was always that rhodesia, bechuanaland, swaziland, basutoland and south west africa were going to ceded to SA by the brits, like PNG was ceded to the straya and various islands were given the NZ.
the afrikaners - speciiclly the nats - fucked that up. obviously the brits were never going to give these regions to an obviously racist country, so they granted them independence instead.
>tfw south africa could have bordered zambia, angola and zaire and could have included the richest diamond areas of namibia and botswana
>>499836
>tfw south africa could have bordered zambia, angola and zaire and could have included the richest diamond areas of namibia and botswana
and interfere with the Congolese state and make it it's mentally unstable gf.
>>493609
pretty much
>>499794
You call me a "cuck" yet I don't worship a memestate that got #btfo by commie Africans
>>499756
>implying that they had any kind of right to be citizens in a government they didn't create
>implying a large portion of Africans wernt just tribal and under jurisdiction of tribal leaders
>>500728
>never lose a battle
>Y-YOU GOT B-BBBBBTFO!!
Wrong.
International sanctions were what caused it's fall, not the ongoing war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBRAlAyUZk&list=PLtUde7T7f2tETO93dsflXpOLF3MJmlBOS&index=1
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
>>499723
So your argument for South Africa being better is that it has more geography?
>>500804
What this pic said about France is true.
During the genocide they were to use local parlance of this board the "eternal anglo"
>>500772
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
>>500744
>look at a map
>memedesia is conspicuously absent
>mfw
>>500772
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL.
Still no sources
>>501489
you're asking Sisyphus to complete rolling the boulder up Zeus' hill.
>>495793
I would actually love to see this, because you would fail horribly and go through an existential crisis when you realize hurrr DURRR DEM NIGGERS CANt BUILD STONE WALLS WHEN I CANT
>>501717
I build shit for a living m8. Of course I could reconstruct Great Zimbabwe given enough resources and manpower.
Also picrelated is a Sardinian bronze age structure, predating Great Zimbabwe by roughly 2000 years, why do we consider that place significant again? I understand the whole HURR NIGGERS CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING BUT MUD HUTS is a meme, but still. Any other place than Africa and it wouldn't be considered impressive at all.
>>501728
>Of course I could reconstruct Great Zimbabwe given enough resources and manpower.
Anyone can build anything with enough resources and manpower
>>499167
You rly sound like an autist
>whites build rather successful colony
>not an enlightened new hope but not a shithole too
>suddenly white guilt hits
>European governments suddenly realize they may have destroyed a continent
>this means colonies must die
>Rhodesia claims independence from UK
>shipping routes get shut down
>a rebellion is funded with European money
>the abominable colonial government gets eventually wiped out
>thousands of miles away from what is now a ruin of a country public opinion pats itself on the back
>the new government is a brutal military dictatorship
>living standards plummet to Mad Max tier struggle for survival
>this is regarded as the white man's fault, because we wuz kingz and whitey kept us down
And this is how SJWs destroyed a country before Sweden was a thing
>>502652
>the new government is a brutal military dictatorship
>living standards plummet to Mad Max tier struggle for survival
At the outset Zimbabwe was a better place to live than Rhodesia, and it continued to be so for about 10 years.
Things didn't really take a turn for the worse until the hullabaloo with the War Veterans' Fund
>>493618
Had a quick listen and they generalise to a detriment.
>>495525
Pro-Rhodie and I got a hearty belly laugh out of this
>>493596
muh programs didn't get enough funding so the chimpouts chimped out
all the productive people who knew something about anything left the country and now it's just another shithole
>>502672
That and UKs abandonment of the willing seller willing buyer agreement.
>>500820
Yeah, and also the advanced economy, good infrastructure, modern telecoms and urbanised population.
By every conceivable measure South Africa is and was better.
