Who gets bragging rights for building the most unassailable fortress?
Pic or it doesn't exist.
>>484419
The ones that were not attacked.
Unassailable you said.
Och aye
King Arthur
Not exactly a fortress since it's an abbey, but this is pretty cool.
That road didn't exist originally. At high tide the Mount was an island. At low tide you could walk across, but it was all dangerous quicksand so you needed a guide to know exactly which path to take.
>>484435
Forgot pic.
bam
>>484419
>>484455
Too bad it's gone now
>>484435
>not exactly a fortress since it's an abbey
Can't an abbey be a fortress?
>>484463
No its not, it received some damage, but was not destroyed.
>>484470
Yes of course they can, a lot of Monks had to become defenders during the time of the Heathen raiders.
D U B R O V N I K
The only city to never be taken forcefully during a siege.
>>484493
Didn't Napoleon march in?
>>484455
This is not fair, I've always wanted to visit the Krak T.T
>>484493
>Had to be rebuilt after Serbs shelled it in the 90's
>unassailable.
I like pic related from purely aesthetic reasons, don't know if it was really unassailable.
Although they are abbeys, the Greeks win this argument with Agia Meteora. Virgin soil unsullied by kebab footsteps
>>484510
>Dubrovnik
He did it gently and not by force.
Troy, the Argives couldn't assail it so they had to be tricktsy hobbits
>>484419
Assailability is not half as important as supplyable.
If your forces can't smuggle resources in you are fucked anyway.
>>484703
Then this castle wins. Behind it, there's a cave system through which they could get supplies even during the siege. Only reason it fell was that there was a traitor within the castle who told the attackers that toilet is the weakest spot and then signalled them when the leader went there.
>>484419
With these castles with walls built on sheer cliff face, would there be any way to weaken the rock underneath the walls (using middle age siege equipment and the like)?
>>484429
Does it completely submerge every full moon?
>>484545
Reminds me of some Chinese monasteries.
WE
WUZ
KAISERS
>>484718
Overrated imo
>no Masada
>>484893
The Romans took it.
Constantinople.
None of the fortresses in this thread would have survived the armies that have been thrown at the gates of Constantinople.
The Theodosian triple wall defense, and a moat just to crown the glory. Natural peninsula. Sea chain and a safe harbor. Gigantic cisterns, aqueducts and emergency granaries.
>>484903
A fortress being significant enough that the Romans took longer than six weeks to take it automatically places it in the top 10 fortresses ever made.
>>484953
Ottomans say hi.
>>484437
>>484429
The problem with water-based fortresses tends to be manpower and logistics related. a navy that is well supplied can simply out-wait the defenders and that was usually the case. The fortress, while being tough to assault directly defeats itself by not being able to adequately communicate with allied forces as couriers would have to swim or row to shore without being spotted by enemy naval vessels. We know from history this is what defeated the Carthaginians many times in Sicily.
Does red fort count?
>>484963
And Venetians are also sending their regards.
>>484963
greatest siege ever
>>484893
That way on the right looks stupid as fuck, was that added to give access for tourists?
>>484963
The city's walls withstood for so long that it wasn't until the Empire was pretty much just a city and the introduction of cannons onto the battlefield.
>>485009
You cant be serious.
>>484961
Complete horse shit
>>485009
If you mean the ramp, that's the remains of the ramp the Romans constructed to bring their siege equipment to the walls of the fortress.
>>484455
I bet it would be an amazing feeling to know that the castle you built would still be used for defensive purposes hundreds of years after you built it.
>>484419
Capitulated for exhaustion
>>485024
>he Roman legion surrounded Masada and built a circumvallation wall, before commencing construction of a siege ramp against the western face of the plateau, moving thousands of tons of stones and beaten earth to do so.
>The ramp was completed in the spring of 73, after probably two to three months of siege. A giant siege tower with a battering ram was constructed and moved laboriously up the completed ramp, while the Romans assaulted the wall, discharging "a volley of blazing torches against ... a wall of timber",[3] allowing the Romans to finally breach the wall of the fortress on April 16, 73 CE.[15][16][17] When the Romans entered the fortress, however, they found it to be "a citadel of death."[3] The Jewish rebels had set all the buildings but the food storerooms ablaze and had committed mass suicide, declaring "a glorious death ... preferable to a life of infamy."
Yep
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada
>>485110
>Start a rebellion
>As soon as Titus arrives get btfo
>Before the Romans can breach the walls everybody kills themselves instead of fighting to the death
Fucking spineless if you ask me, it's like beating somebody 3-0 on FIFA and they quit the game.
>>485156
Romans did some nasty shit if they captured you in war bro. Id probs kill myself too
>>485162
Please tell me Assads forces control the area, I would lose my mind if rebels/ISIS got their hands on it.
>>485043
>I bet it would be an amazing feeling to know that the castle you built would still be used for defensive purposes hundreds of years after you built it.
Just take a look at the Aleppo citadel, rebels hold almost the entire old town of Aleppo but the only thing that makes Assad still keep control of a part of it is the Aleppo citadel
>Walls to big to attack directly
>Built over a huge single piece of rock, making tunnel bombing impossible
>Archer's Towers make a perfect position for snipers
Rebels have being trying to conquer it for the past 4 years, but the defensive positions of the citadel are so great that it's impossible for them to do it
>>485182
Yes, they recaptured it in 2013
It's deep in government territory for now, so it's safe to say that it's no longer in danger of suffering any more damage
>>484785
A thousand peasant sappers may work
>>485200
>wants to defeat the west and the so called modern crusaders
>cant even beat a building built by the first crusaders
¨
fucking kek
>>484903
>according to propaganda
Apparently the Romans forced jewish slaves to push the siege tower. Jews inside didn't want to kill other jews so they commited suicide
>>485244
You serious or JIDF? So by your logic the Romans making slaves push a tower means they were also going to make them storm the fortress.
>>485253
My dad is jewish and told me that what they told him. Once the siege tower was set the romans would pour in and take them away as slaves. Also romans could be in the siege tower while being pushed by slaves.
>>485277
I think your dad has been telling you porkies mate. Jews maybe did push the towers up to the walls but they would never have taken part in any actual fighting. I would take Jewish sources with a grain of salt as well, they've always been a bit overzealous with numbers, one source said that 10,000 slaves were present
>>485244
They always made slaves push the siege equipment, and how would they have even known the slaves were jewish its not like they made them wear big yellow stars on their chests.
>>485311
> Romans forced jewish slaves to push the siege tower. Jews inside didn't want to kill other jews so they commited suicide
They committed suicide because they didn't want to be taken as slaves by the Romans and took the bitch way out instead of fighting to the death.
>>484893
Kinda counterproductive considering it's also a death trap
>>485355
True but they could easily hold down the fort if the rebels shot the slaves pushing the siege tower.
>>485361
For some reason i doubt they pushed a fucking siege tower up the slope they built its kinda steep you know
also you do know you can push a seige tower from the inside or the back making it alot harder for archers/slingers to shoot at you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Candia
Longest siege ever if that matters.
Still, my vote goes to Constantinople. Many sieges over hundred of years before finally falling, always against superior forces and was also the capital of a great civilisation, either the great city in the world or one of the greatest through its history.
>>485396
>steep slope
>enough men in the back and inside push siege tower
I don't think you could actually push a siege tower tower over a steep slope but rather you had to pull it up with cords.
desu I dont really know how Romans conducted siege warfare but I don't think you could push a siege tower with 10-20 men.
>>484419
This guy.
>>485468
That was my whole point if its flat ground you can have the men on the inside and the back
but if you look at the pic here >>484893
you will see how fucking steep it is
i doubt they used a siege tower at all is what i am saying
ladders are far more likely
fun fact the romans made that slope during the siege
>>484953
>play attila
>defend on constantinople
>mfw i dident have to command a single unit for the entire battle
>mfw i was outnumbered 3-1
>>485488
according to wiki they built a ramp with jewish prisoners of war, but yeah what i just told you was my dad told me.
happy new year :)
>>485468
Citadelle of Bitche, was besieged for 230 days by the Germans back in 1870-71
>no fucks given
>>485543
>>485543
>comparing modern germans vs ancient romans
germans had artillery, just barrage the wal and storm with troops desu
>>484816
how were buildings like these actually constructed? how does one reach such a place originally (without the aid of modern transportation)?
>>484718
hey it's csgo
>>485569
>germans had artillery, just barrage the wal and storm with troops desu
20'000 Germans besieged the Citadelle of Bitche for 230 consecutive days. The Citadelle was subject to 3 major army artillery barrages.
The 3'000 man under Louis-Casimir Teyssier did hold their fort from 8th August 1870 to 26. of March next year when the new French government ordered them to surrender. Then the French marched out in good order with full arms and colors flying.
Plus it was built by Vauban, that got to count for something, hes like the Rembrandt of fortification
>>485624
>how were buildings like these actually constructed? how does one reach such a place originally (without the aid of modern transportation)?
One climbs up and installs a winch. The rest is just lots of work.
Schloss Neuschwanstein, Germany
owner killed drowned himself together with his psychiatrist after spending the countries money for his huge ass castle
/thread
>>485839
>didnt read further then bragging rights
>think its a castle-off
sorry
but its also the model for the disney castle
>>485998
>>485210
I've never thought of it that way...
>>484455
But wasn't it taken on several occasions?
>>485184
They also just probably don't want to destroy it with modern weapons because otherwise they look like ISIS and then literally everyone would bombard their shit.
>Never conquered
>100% American
>>485839
That's a plastic Disney "castle".
>>484437
posts a church
>implying it has any tactical value, just smash the bridge and kek as theyre surrounded by miles of quicksand
There was Tyre, but Alexander took care of that sadly.
>>486845
what?
>>486811
kek I used to live next to this.
What do I win, OP?
>>487718
12 warheads
![Gibraltar_aerial_view_looking_northwest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/in7vfKR.jpg "Gibraltar_aerial_view_looking_northwest[1].jpg")
>inb4 butthurt dagos
>>487718
>Implying that your ·"iris" can protect you from a serious Goa´Uld invasion
>>488824
Gibraltar could be easily conquered though, as long as you've had fleet that could get at least temporal superiority over the strait.
Just bombard this shit to death from the ships.
>>484985
imagine mughal grande army marcing in and out.
>>488855
>as long as you've had fleet that could get at least temporal superiority over the strait.
>temporal
Not to be a dick, but you're using that word wrong.
Temporal Superiority would be military control of the timeline, which would fuck just about any of these forts up.
>>484703
Not true at all.
If a city knows it's going to be under siege for a long time, it can stockpile resources which can last for years. See 1453 Constantinople and the Siege of Rhodes by Macedon.
>>488918
meant to write temporarily for some reason didn't
>>488918
>Temporal Superiority would be military control of the timeline, which would fuck just about any of these forts up.
Bet you could make a silly shoddy military sci-fi out of that.
![Final-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HgSjLaY.jpg "Final-1[1].jpg")
>>488944
There is a sort of rule 34 for shoddy military sci-fi
>>486855
>posts a church
Fortified churches are a consistent thing in Europe.
>just smash the bridge and kek as theyre surrounded by miles of quicksand
Are you actually retarded?
>bridge
>mont saint michael
>>484455
I've visited Qal3at al-Hosn before, as the Syrians call it, and I can tell you that before the war it was in amazing condition, it felt like something out of Legend of Zelda. The owner of a nearby restaurant told me that until recently his family had lived in the castle for generations as its caretakers. And the command view it has of the Homs gap is breathtaking, you can instantly see why it was built where it was. I've avoided looking up what kind of state it's in, because it would kill me to know that such a masterpiece was damaged.
>>484429
>Fortress
I mean it's a decently sized house...
>>484493
>The only city to never be taken forcefully during a siege.
Except for 99% of American cities, right?
This thread makes me want to play MGSV.
>>491330
I hope the restaurant owner and his family are ok.
>>484785
In theory you could mine out the cliff I suppose. Or dynamite/nitroglycerin it.
>>485172
Just don't repeatedly fucking rebel like the Jews did.
