What does /his/ think of Native American culture? Favorite tribe? Most interesting conflict?
>>482552
Talking about native american culture is much like talking about European culture - you've got to get more specific.
>>482552
I quite liked this one paper I read on indigenous capitalism in the long distance fur trade in canada. Continent spanning reaction to contact in trade.
>>482552
Is alcoholism and drug abuse considered culture?
>No, I meant in the past
Oh, okay.
Is pillaging, raping, and cannibalism considered culture?
>>482552
The Plains sign language.
>>482646
All collective human behavior is culture.
>muh pillage
>muh rape
Yeah, thank god European history is free of these atrocities.
>muh cannibalism
Was not widespread.
As a partial Native, I find it's so funny how the Red man has eventually fucked over the white man in the Midwest America.
Now true whites and niggers get fuck all because native blood gets preference for the best jobs, and free health care and dental. Free money too.
They've succeeded like the Neanderthal, by breeding in to the population.
The languages are pretty rad
>>482864
I'm skeptical of claims about affirmative action like this because they're rather vague. Can you point me to a more detailed description of the policies that favor them?
In any case, Native Americans overall earn like 80% of what whites do. Might not seem like much, but it's hundreds of thousands over a lifetime, so that affirmative action isn't working out too well for them as it stands.
>>482552
It’s too bad the French didn’t win and get to keep and expand their N.American colony, as unlike the British, they were willing to form a hybrid culture with the Indians instead of killing them off.
But the fact is the Indians were fucked from 1492; they were a Stone Age people woefully behind the times and couldn’t / wouldn’t adapt to the situation, something they’re still having problems with today (due to politics within Indian society).
>>482830
>All collective human behavior is culture.
In that case what do I think of their current culture of alcoholism, and drug abuse or their past culture of pillaging, raping, and cannibalism?
I think they were stone age savages who got run over by progress because they refused to assimilate or progress themselves.
Their descendants are a pathetic/miserable people and the only ones who don't spiral out of control are the ones who get the fuck off the reservations and distance themselves from the culture entirely (usually by being adopted at a young age).
They would rather spend their time crying about what they lost instead of better themselves with what they have.
Such is the way of life and history. Inferior people and cultures eventually die out or become negligible to the course of modern events.
Anasazi ruins are neat
>>482978
>In that case what do I think of their current culture of alcoholism, and drug abuse or their past culture of pillaging, raping, and cannibalism?
So much emotion and value judgments. I wouldn't deny alcoholism is a part of their culture today. It's part of a lot of cultures.
>I think they were stone age savages who got run over by progress because they refused to assimilate or progress themselves.
Except they had copper and ironworking, even gold a silversmiths. Stop watching Disney cartoons faggot.
>They would rather spend their time crying about what they lost instead of better themselves with what they have.
When someone challenges the status quo, deny injustice and call them a rabble rouser for even implying they might have been mistreated. Deflect the wrongdoings of a legacy you identify with by focusing on theirs. Nice.
>Such is the way of life and history. Inferior people and cultures eventually die out or become negligible to the course of modern events.
"Such is the way of life". What a faggot.
Over 90% of Indian deaths were due to smallpox, not muh mythical white man's guns and ingenuity, which the Indians quickly adopted anyway. I'd bet immigrants would take over America or Europe quite quickly if their presence introduced a disease that killed 90% of whites.
>>482864
haha you speak for all Native Americans, oh wise one?
>>483062
he had a native american great-grandmother, obviously everything he says must be correct
>>483055
Get mad all you want man, at the end of the day... we have an entire country, they have some shitty pieces of land and a few casinos.
History proved us right. Keep calling me a faggot like it will change anything or make their culture more valuable/important though.
>>483088
Way to miss the point entirely.
>I'll just skirt over all the inaccuracies in my post and focus purely on opposing sentiment which I'm heavily emotionally invested in
/pol/ would suit you better, faggot.
>>482646
>>482978
>>483088
>>483124
ow the edge
>>482552
My favorite tribe is the Pechanga tribe because I won the jackpot there once. My favorite conflict is that time a bunch of them covered themselves in bear feces and skinned the enemy tribes children alive because they had better beads than them.
>>482864
Part native fag too.
>implying white man didn't win with handouts and rampant alcoholism and drug use amongst all native tribes.
>the more esoteric ones are dying and losing there culture while the larger ones are dying to complacency, drug and alcohol use, and pompous white people who say "I'm 1/36 cherokee".
Free college is nice though.
>>482552
Plains Indians.
Just because how ridiculously fast the Horse became important in their culture and turned them all into Steppe Nomady people outside the Steppes.
>>483180
American indians are the cousins of central asian steppe nomads
>>483144
Call it edgy if you want, man.
Again, history proved us right.
Our culture thrives and prospers while Native American culture is further diluted with alcohol.
Their once proud people have been broken. We weren't.
>>483174
>free college
Are you being real here
Why do so many natives live on shithouse reservations then? I gotta imagine most universities would hop on the chance to get a real life injun for the diversity quota.
>>482552
I always liked the Plains Tribes, Apache, Blackfoot, Crow, and the tribes of the Iroquois Confederacy. Those are some of the most interesting in my mind. The best conflict is probably the running battles the Indians had with the early settlers.
>>483200
Everybody's literally cousins with everybody desu senpai.
I like the ones that won by getting to keep most of their land and if I'm right a bit more.
That's osage right?
>>483124
This is a history board., not for roleplaying.
>>483207
There was a little conflict with even earlier settlers.
Upon reaching Vinland, their intended destination, they found the now famous grapes and self-sown wheat which the land was named for. They spent a very hard winter at this site, where they barely survived by fishing, hunting game inland, and gathering eggs on the island. The following summer they sailed to the island of Hop where they had the first peaceful interactions with the native people, whom they traded with. Karlsefni forbade his men to trade their swords and spears, so they mainly exchanged their red cloth for pelts. Afterwards they were able to properly describe the aboriginal inhabitants, saying: “They were short in height with threatening features and tangled hair on their heads. Their eyes were large and their cheeks broad.”
Shortly thereafter the Norsemen were attacked by natives who had been frightened by a bull that broke loose from their encampment. They were forced to retreat to an easily defensible location and engage their attackers; at the end of the battle two of his men had been slain, while "many of the natives" were killed. As with anywhere in this foreign land, Karlsefni and his men realized that “despite everything the land had to offer there, they would be under constant threat of attack from its prior inhabitants."
>>483268
Good thing they've largely been purged from history then.
A few more generations of dilution and the job will be done.
I like the egalitarian tribes who didn't have a concept of ownership.
I'm part native, like ~30 % or so, but my native ancestors weren't at all egalitarian, and they very much believed in ownership.
How aware were tribes of other greatly removed tribes?
Like had the Native American tribes like the Navajo or Apache areas of the great Aztec or Incan Empire? Did east coast tribe ever hear or know about the west coast tribes?
>>483495
When has a gas chamber been used for anything besides murdering people? And, when was the last time someone talked about using a gas chamber besides to murder a bunch of ethnic minorities.
I honestly don't give a fuck if you're an edgy faggot, and don't think banning you solves any problems, but it certainly contributes to board quality.
If you want "epic bants" I suggest
>>/pol/
>>/int/
>>/v/
>>483535
Little or not at all.
They knew about the nearby tribes that they had contact with and that was it.
>>483203
When squatters moved to their lands the squatters always one when the issue was brought up with government.
On top of that many reserves were placed in distant land or land far from were people used to live.
Like you know how the Appalachian poverty thre people own nothing since most were coerced in some way and they leave so far that government influence is too weak that they services are hard to give on top of certain people in the citizenry abd government abusing the situation?
>>483549
Those neighbors didn't share news of their neighbors on the other side?
>>483541
A gas chamber isn't an inherently racist device, it can be used for racist purposes but that doesn't change what it does.
That is like saying a rifle is an inherently racist device or a nuclear bomb is an inherently racist device.
I'd expect better from a historian honestly.
>>482552
Threadly reminder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f82d7-SVzCw
>>483495
What the fuck are you going on about.
>>483562
Nothing is inherently racist. A klu klux klan uniform isn't inherently racist. It's widely associated - for good reason- to the actions of racists. Gas chambers are the same way. Answer my earlier question, when have gas chambers been used other than in racially motivated killings?
Rifles have been used for centuries for warfare or all kinds, hunting, murder of all sorts of motivations, theft, leisure, showpieces, etc.
I'd expect better from a /pol/lack honestly.
It depends, nomadic tribes would have a lot more contact with each other than settled tribes, especially when the settled tribes lived in treacherous terrain that obstructed trade.
>>483578
Gas chambers have been used for capital punishment in the United States to execute death row inmates. The first person to be executed in the United States by lethal gas was Gee Jon, on February 8, 1924.
Gas chambers have also been used for animal euthanasia, using carbon monoxide as the lethal agent. Sometimes a box filled with anesthetic gas is used to anesthetize small animals for surgery or euthanasia.
Again, I really expected better from a historian.
>>483578
Gas chambers are one of the more prominent methods of execution in the US judicial system. Probably second after lethal injection.
>>483578
Just off the top of my head from the 1930-1990s in the United States when it was the primary or secondary method of execution for like 11 States
>>483495
what the fuck are you even talking about
>>483202
Proves fucking nothing /pol/tard the cycle of history doesn't comply with what you "think"
Whether a society prospers or dies has nothing to do with what's "right" rather the ideal circumstances happen that facilitate that rise. The West was the asshole of the Old World until the 17th century and after a couple of centuries in the sun it's slowly sliding back to irrelevance, that's your culture "thriving"
>>483540
This.
>>483568
>Those comments
It's a fucking /pol/fest in there by salty whites and ultimately the video makes a stupid argument that can easily be refuted.
It's perfectly natural to war and feud with neighbors, it's another thing to travel from the other side of the globe to kill random strangers without cause for war just to steal their shit.
>>483088
>injuns are savages look how violent they were
>lol might makes right white power
Which one is it, faggot?
>>483202
Proves nothing other than the fact that Native Americans are more susceptible to addiction/alcoholism genetically.
You gotta be at least 14.
>>482552
What about the Anasazi? They didn't have many interesting conflicts that I'm aware of, but I went and walked through their homes built into mountains and it was pretty cool.
>>484623
>Which one is it, faggot?
Whichever one makes him feel good about himself, anon.
As a Canadian, I have to ask: was there a residential schooling system in place in the USA, and is it widely known? Those were some deeply screwed-up places?
Inca or Aztec or Maya.
>>484926
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools
I didn't even know about these until I played MGSV, which is really sad on my part.
>>483202
>Our culture thrives and prospers while Native American culture is further diluted with alcohol.
It is beyond me why the US government thought the poverty of Native American tribes would be solved by giving them drugs and gambling. I'd often drink myself into a stupor too if my first job was stealing from the mentally ill.
>>483777
>>484623
>>484889
>responding to posts made over 24 hours ago with the attitude of "HA, FAG"
I'm not sure who is stupider, the /pol/ack or you dipshits who actually think he/she would follow up on this thread for multiple days.
I've only really read about Indians in relation to their ongoing struggle with American settlers. I think it's interesting that the Anglos chose to treat them as separate sovereign nations while the Spanish treated them as subjects to be lorded over. This caused the Indians in Anglo-America to pretty much disappear while the ones in Latin America became increasingly integrated leaving a stronger influence on Hispanic culture.
This is why the Southern tribes were always my favorite, they were the most open towards integration with Americans. Partly because they were matrilineal and powerful families would marry their daughters to influential White settlers allowing for their sons to inherit both the mother's Indian titles and father's European titles. This created an elite mixed race upperclass within these tribal society, causing many problems with more conservative Indian factions.
An obvious example of this were the Treaty of Indian Springs between the state Georgia and the Muscogee to relocate the Georgia Muscogee west of the Mississippi, which kicked off the Indian Removal phase of American-Indian relations and lead to the Trail of Tears. The Muscogee Chief and the Governor of Georgia were fucking first cousins. In fact, most of the leaders of the Muscogee, Cherokee, and Choctaw had Anglo heritage and were very assimilated within southern planter life.
This is a part of American Indian history that we never really hear about, instead we get the "noble savage" trope of feather headdresses and shamans of the Plains Indians.
>>483180
Horse cultures are literally the best
>>484955
>Being this mad
Posturing is for faggots. Say something interesting or go back to /pol/
>>483540
>>483791
Samefag please
I think its hilarious that people talk about them as if the downfall of their civilization was some great tradgedy.
They were literal savages who were too stupid to realize that their peoples time was over.
Imagine you are a youth in their culture when white people start showing up, and you see your entire tribe be annihilated by disease that these people have brought, but they are somehow immune. Now imagine that they have these spears that shoot thunder and your retard elders say "lets kill them even though we have no idea what they want" and everyone agrees and now your whole tribe is dead.
They did the same shit when the Vikings showed up too. In the sagas they talk about the skrealing attacking them before they ever had the chance to try and communicate. They were stupid, and i am glad that the Americans chased them into reservations.
>>483822
>implying they arrived with the intention to kill
Good god you're retarded. If that was the case there wouldnt be any Native Americans anywhere, and no treaties of any kind would ever have been established, no trade either.
How the fuck did you think this board was the place for you if your take on history is so fucking infantile?
>>485141
Because at least in America, and i am assuming you are american btw but i am not lumping you in with the rest, people absolutely refuse to acknowledge the truth of a lot of situations.
For example, nobody in America will generally accept the fact that very few own slaves, but they also generally wont accept the fact that they have a near completely corrupt police force. Its just whatever looks good to them instead of what actually happened.
>>487400
This. Anyone who likes Native Americans doesn't have to live next to them. Living in Oklahoma or anywhere out west basically means you need to keep your Listerine under lock and key and your wallets in your front pockets.
Also, fuck reservations. They get to have their own laws and cops and shit, and you aren't allowed on their land. True fact, if an injun murders someone and flees to their reservation, the cops aren't allowed to pull them out unless the tribal elders agree to.
Yeah, guess how many times the tribal elders give up one of their own to whitey for justice.
>>487348
Try again Amerishit
>>487415
And you're fucking stupid if you think it wasn't their intention. Pick up a fucking book, Christopher Columbus set the tone for the colonization of the New World with his extreme brutality towards the natives.
>Native Americans anywhere, and no treaties of any kind would ever have been established, no trade either.
If Europeans couldn't exploit the natives they would have killed them all if they could, the only thing that prevented them from doing so was an ocean and the fact that there was less of them than the natives.
>>487451
Thank you
I hate that its frowned upon to act like what happened was just settlers being evil when it really was just natives stubbornly refusing to enter the modern world.
It really has never been a racial thing either, i mean wouldnt you want to remove the only group in the entire fucking continent that wont assimilate? Even the freed slaves were less trouble for southerners than natives were in this regard.
>>483822
>It's perfectly natural to war and feud with neighbors, it's another thing to travel from the other side of the globe to kill random strangers without cause for war just to steal their shit.
No, it really isn't. That shit has happened throughout history. Furthermore Europeans were in a special point in history where naval tech made global sea trade possible and they had the best gunpowder weaponry at the time.
>>487476
>christopher columbus is the same as everyone who came to america
go back to tumblr
Let me guess, you just finished history 101 and your black muslim professor told you that?
I would give you the same advice you gave me which is to pick up a book since its very clear you have not
You have a very naive outlook on how it all went down. Certainly Columbus was not a very nice man but to say it set the tone for all settlement is pretty stupid since all other instances of violence initiating between Europeans who did not arrive as part of a Spanish contingent were entirely the fault of the Natives.
This goes back even to the first instance of Europeans arriving as described the Vikings.
Also you are assuming that every tribe across both North and South America communicated with each other and all had the same culture and attitude AND that they all reacted the same way.
There is literally no way the northern tribes could know about Columbus and no way the tribes in the Caribbean could know about the Inca so to say that they attacked in response to how the Spanish treated the people of a few Islands is idiotic.
You are also assuming Columbus knew he was going to find new people, which would mean you think his intention was to slaughter the Indians when he got there which is about as stupid as it gets.
Also, you have completely bought into the noble savage myth that Natives were peaceful and all lived in harmony together because there was brutal violence fucking everywhere long before the Europeans showed up.
Back to the columbus thing though, if it was true that he set the tone, why didnt the same situation unfold when the French, Dutch, British, Germans, Portugese, and literally every other European showed up?
You have no idea what you are talking about. Stick to facebook debates you fucking child.
>>483202
And yet you had to derail the thread regardless. Once again, this moronic attitude takes a thread and ruins it because you absolutely have to start an argument. Kill yourself. Nobody gives two shits. Every fucking human civilization has and had violence. Let people talk about the topic at hand you fucking asshat. You people are the cancer killing this board.
>>483055
acknowledging that they got screwed does literally nothing to help them now
its like those retards telling white people to check their priviledge. The gesture is completely empty and changes nothing so i dont see why its such a big deal. We all know they got chased out of their land but dwelling on it helps nobody.
Good job faggots, another potentially interesting thread ruined because you retards have to argue about stupid SAVAGES bullshit. Fuck off. Can none of you just fucking talk about the thread topic at hand?
EVERY FUCKING THREAD. FUCK OFF THIS FUCKING BOARD.
>>487552
It would be impossible to not mention those things if you are discussing the history and culture of Native Americans since the only records of them that we have is of their encounters with foreigners which generally did not go well.
I know there exceptions to this but it would be equally stupid to ignore the most significant part of their existence.
>>487561
The original post that started this all was irrelevant, unnecessary, and completely avoidable and served only to derail the thread and ruin its civility, just like with every other thread on this board that presents the potential. You know exactly the content I was referring to.
>>487581
>glorifying
Good reading comprehension skills. Enjoy your ban.
>>487583
You can get banned for calling savages, savages?
Also this is 4chan, announcing reports/ban is against the rules.
>>487573
Any discussion to be had about Natives before europeans is extremely limited to the small amount of info we have on people like the Aztecs, Inca, Maya, Olmec etc types of people. We know basically nothing about the north american ones because they clearly did not do anything significant enough that they thought was worth remembering
>>487517
Congratulations pulling shit out of your ass, jumping to conclusions and putting words into my mouth.
>This goes back even to the first instance of Europeans arriving as described the Vikings.
Yes because a single source coming from the party that was driven out of the area is truly reliable.
>Back to the columbus thing though, if it was true that he set the tone, why didnt the same situation unfold when the French, Dutch, British, Germans, Portugese, and literally every other European showed up?
Are you implying that they didn't? Because you're wrong. While yes different nations had different goals with regards to their colonies and that often determined their treatment of the natives but even the most cordial relationships went sour once the natives refused to do what the Europeans wanted.
The rest of your post is meaningless drivel.
>>482552
Mostly Harmless.
>>487497
>No, it really isn't. That shit has happened throughout history.
Wrong, there were plenty of instances in non-European history where a far off foreign power encountered a people less advanced than them and nothing happened.
Favorite tribe?
Obviously the Mapuche, the most underrated people of the Americas -I bet only South Americans have heard of them.
They stopped the Incas' expansionism and remained free of Spanish rule for about three hundreds years of constant war, in which the Europeans were defeated a lot of times.
Spain actually at one point recognizing Mapuche sovereignty with written treaties -something totally singular in the history of th Americas.
Lautaro's history (first well known Mapuche general) is absolutely awesome: Made the personal slave of the Spanish Conquistador himself, learnt Spanish ways of war, fled to be reunited with his people and taught them to not fear horses and how to defeat Spanish tactics, then destroyed the Spanish cities of the land and killed his former master himself (according to some sources, by making him to drink molten gold to punish his greed).
>Mestizos are mostly thought to be the product of Spaniards raping indigenous women
>There are chronicles abut how there were a lot of "withe" Mapuche... because they were actually kidnapping European women to be their sex slaves
>>487627
>are you implying they didnt?
Im not implying anything because that is the best historical conclusion to come to.
Best example is the people who settled in Canada who lived through both French and British rule of the area and their relationship with the tribes there. The French had a pretty strong and healthy relationship with the Huron that lasted for a good long while until the end of the French and Indian War. Now that the British ruled the area the Huron began raiding again, and where did they raid? Canada. They pillaged, kidnapped, and raped the same people who were very good allies to them basically from the get go. The Huron were the ones not getting what they wanted anymore and THEY resorted to violence which triggered the way the British treated them.
Again i will bring up the point you dismissed as drivil because you are too stupid and/or immature to discuss it. You contend that all Europeans collectively desired the same thing which was to exterminate the Natives, and you also contend that all natives reacted to European arrival the same way.
Normally somebody would realize how stupid they sound before typing that out, but since you clearly havent figured that out i can only pity you.
If you want to deny all source documents and choose not to believe in the facts you disagree with then it is not worth discussing with you anymore. Enjoy your 13th birthday
>>487635
>Mongols
>Huns
>Japanese
>Chinese
All these people were not very nice to the people they encountered
Ever heard of the Ainu?
>>487695
This is what happens when you learn history from /pol/
So much stupidity in one post my mind can't even comprehend it you're still pulling shit out of your ass, jumping to conclusions and putting words into my mouth. You clearly don't know shit about about European interactions with the natives, not even a simple wikipedia search. The natives were usually cordial with the Europeans but the moment they started encroaching more and more upon native lands was when things went south it happened with the English, the French and the Dutch.
>The Huron were the ones not getting what they wanted anymore and THEY resorted to violence which triggered the way the British treated them.
Never fucking happened, the Huron never attacked New France they attacked the British. Also the British were notorious for abandoning and turning on their native allies when convenient, you're basically implying that tribes don't communicate and form opinions of Europeans based on interactions with neighboring tribes.
You're nothing but a posturing faggot, your posts are drivel which is spelled in that manner by the way. Go back to fucking /pol/ there's no hug-box or echo chamber here for you.
>>487699
Shit examples none of those peoples ever did any of the sort. They all went to war with their neighbors aka all peoples just outside their borders.
>>487826
I actually have to thank you because i was angrily fact checking and discovered i was actually wrong about the Huron. The raids on New france did happen but i had the context and the tribe totally wrong. So thanks, but as far as ass pulling and jumping to conclusions dont pretend you arent doing the same.
>>487832
>Ainu lived on northern island of japan
>Japanese invade Island and exterminate
Next time you plan on moving the goalposts after you're proven wrong let people know beforehand that you're an idiot.
Also if you are implying that Eastern Europe, and the middle east are close neighbors to Mongolia then i recommend you check a globe
>>482552
The Iroquois Confederation has to be the best.
An alliance of six Indian nations who would constantly fuck up those savage Algonquins
plus the Mohawks were badass
>>488185
t.b.h I thought it was five but that image says otherwise, this one is probably more accurate
>>488196
It was five. Then the Tuscarora fled north and were accepted into the confederation.
>>482552
Huron.
>>487552
just report the people who say "go back to /pol/" as if it means anything. It will all work out in the end.
>>487481
>it really was just natives stubbornly refusing to enter the modern world.
Most Indians assimilated. Even the plains Indians had horses and guns and towns and what have you. You have a TV-addicted burger understanding of History if you think what happened was that simple.
>>488296
fair enough i was absolutely simplifying it too much but i still feel the same way about Native American civilization being regarded far too highly
>>488167
So apparently by your definition being directly north to another people doesn't make them a neighbor, I got it you're a complete fucking moron.
>Also if you are implying that Eastern Europe, and the middle east are close neighbors to Mongolia then i recommend you check a globe
I'm pretty sure they were neighbors as Mongolia conquered a whole swath of territory making them neighbors to those regions. There you go again showing you know jack about history.
>>482864
>muh heritage
>>488352
moving the goalposts once again
By your logic when the europeans settled in north america the natives became their neighbors so it was normal.
If you truly consider Hungary to be a neighbor that the Mongolian people were intimately familiar with and used to then i think you're the one showing a lack of knowledge and intelligence
>>487481
>2065
>Why don't you want western countries to be invaded by China?
>All we want to do is destroy your culture, deplete all your resources and rape your wife,
>We're more high tech, get with the times already
>You can't complain because Americans kill each other anyway
>>488352
I guess you also consider Iraq to be a close neighbor to Spain since the moors conquered Spain while having that area in posession, thus making them neighbors despite Madrid and Baghdad being 5,720.3 km apart. Whether either of us is a history expert is irrelevant because you dont even have a basic understanding of fucking geography
>>487832
>none of these people did anything of the sort
oh my god are you serious? This has to be a troll post.
I dont know about China and Japan but if you seriously think the Mongols and the Huns did not cross large areas of land literally just to pillage then you really are a moron. I actually feel bad for you that someone taught you this.
This actually happened
>>487644
I was reading about them online last week. Southern Chile bred some really hardcore, balls to wall tribes. Wasn't there one Mapuche warlord who had his arms cut off by t he Spanish and later had them replaced them with sword prosthetics?
>>488792
so the Comanche almost beat the U.S. too. and considering that northern Mexico has always had a small population i don't see how it's surprising
>>482552
There are some pretty based tribes around New England. They had war canoes and shit up here
>>488792
Native armies are way more competent than people are taught in schools. Native Americans and Africans weren't getting raw-curbstomped until the mid 1800s, and that's usually only under 'dedicated' conditions
>>488792
But weren't the Americans defeated by Red Cloud in the same century?
>>488411
>>488422
Yes they actually would be neighbors because they occupied the same Eurasian stretch where culture, goods, and ideas flowed up and down the trade routes disseminating different ideas amongst the regions that created even the bare minimum commonality. This is opposed to Europeans landing in the America's which was the equivalent of landing on fucking Mars and the natives being Martians.
>>488434
And you're seriously stupid if you don't think that those people carved out continuous land empires that stretched beyond their native land. The point I made stands, you simply choose not to acknowledge it.
>>489737
The fact that the Europeans crossed an ocean and destroyed the culture there does not make it any different from the mongols destroying the cultures they did. If the idea of crossing water is the only thing that makes this different to you i again would suggest you take some geography course because you clearly have no idea how it works.
Was there trade between Europe and Asia? yeah of course but i highly doubt this means the Mongolians knew anything about Hungary.
Britain is 3,728 miles away from Canada, so a very long way away to go. Mongolia is 3,762 miles away from Hungary, so roughly about as far away. If you are actually trying to convince me that just because the Mongolians did not travel over water to get there means that the slaughter and destruction they caused is somehow different, then you are no longer worth discussing this with.
Just because a land empire is what lead them to Hungary does not make the Hungarians anymore neighbors to the Mongolians. To the Hungarians all they see is their actual neighbors being slaughtered by these nomads from the east who they knew essentially nothing about until it was too late.
The western Europeans used the word Tartar to lump all the nomadic tribes into one, and this term came about around 1270, long after the Mongol invasions had begun which can easily be interpreted to mean that they knew jack shit about the Mongols. Just because they got silk from china does not mean that they had any idea about the geopolitical situation of the nomadic tribes around Manchuria so this totally makes sense. As far as the Hungarians were concerned the Mongols showed up from Hell itself, im pretty sure Native Americans thought much the same way and probably would have regardless of whether or not the british walked in, or sailed in.
>>482978
>I think they were stone age
You keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it actually means
>>487644
>the most underrated people of the Americas
Pfft. Even the Incas thought they were uncivilizable barbarians.
Good food, good women, good music and were not for censorship\bannings.
>Favorite Tribe
Inca
>>482552
>What does /his/ think of Native American culture?
A bunch of godless savages, I'm glad most of them are dead, dying, or depressed.
They can bitch and moan about the white devil all they want, doesn't make them any less of a defeated people.
>>491215
ebin
>>491236
Thanks?
I answered the question. I'm fucking glad their dead. That is honestly how I feel. I'm not gonna sit here and spin bullshit about how fascinating their culture is because I genuinely don't believe it to be.
Aztec/Mayan/Incan culture is somewhat interesting, especially their Pantheon. Native Americans are about as interesting as any other generic group of raiding bandit assholes throughout history.
>>491254
The Aztec, Maya, Inca, etc. were Native Americans you mong.
>>491259
its hard to separate them from the literal retards in modern US and Canada but they were pretty damn cool
>>491290
Natives north of the Rio Grande had civilization too, you know. The Pueblo and Mississippian civilizations are the largest, and further north and later on various confederacies like the Illinois, Haudenosaunee, Wabanaki, etc. There were stone monuments as far north as New England, and agriculture penetrated even further.
Did you honestly think Indians further north were nothing but nomads hunter gatherers?
I'm part native AMA
>>491298
No, I just don't care.
>>491445
>make a retarded statement
>get corrected
>y-yeah? well I just don't CARE i'm 2cool4u MAN!
>>491445
Kek. This is like arguing with stormfags in Africa threads.
>AFRICA WAS NOTHING BUT STONE AGE HUNTERS IN HUTS
"No, here's why you're wrong"
>SHUT THE FUCK UP I DONT CARE HEIL HITLER
>>491444
Why is Plato's Socrates different from everyone else's?
>>491444
Toilet paper over or under?
>>491495
You obviously care enough to keep replying.
>>491498
Clearly. It certainly takes a lot of effort to do so.
I'm practically dedicating my life here.
>>491500
Reply
>>491501
Here is your well deserved (You) since you worked so hard for it.
>>491215
>A bunch of godless savages
>>491254
>Native Americans are about as interesting as any other generic group of raiding bandit assholes throughout history.
>>491290
>the literal retards in modern US and Canada
>>491298
>get proven wrong
>>491445
>>491495
>>491500
>lol, I don't care guise !!!!!!!
>>491510
Strikes me as more of a "when you nutted but she still suckin" face than a "we're hitting autism levels" face, to each their own though.
I enjoy greentexted false quotes as much as the next guy.
>>491500
Buttblast
>>491519
All of them except the last 2 greentext were direct quotes.
>>491504
ok
>>491534
*tips fedora*
>>491534
I wasn't talking about your ability to see the color green. You said they were false quotes, and I corrected you by saying that all of them were direct quotes, except for the last 2, which just summarised the posts that they were describing.
>>491461
Because people back then didn't care about historical accuracy, they only cared about truths, and if they thought that Socrates was an asshole then that was their truth and the way they'd go about expressing this was by telling a story that made it clear, whether or not it actually happened is not relevant, for instance if someone didn't like him he could write a story about how Socrates would secretly collaborate with Athens' enemies or something.
>>491466
Over, under is retarded.
Although paper is retarded period, bidets is the way to go.
>>491445
not me
>>491290
me
>>491298
I know they werent literally retarded it was just an exxagerated way of me saying that the Native Americans south of the Rio Grande are a lot more fascinating and arguably more advanced.
I still fucking hate the ones north of the rio grande though. Advanced or not they were idiots.
>>482552
native american cultures are pretty cool. my favorite is iroquois, but aztecs and sioux are cool as well. they don't get artillery until the industrial age, but they have such a flexible early game semi-fast fortress strat that it doesn't really matter too much. always get the travois when aging up to colonial because that lets you build a forward base war hut.
>>491594
>I still fucking hate the ones north of the rio grande though. Advanced or not they were idiots.
Show me on the doll where the red man touched you
If we dig precious things from the land, we invite disaster. Near the day of purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky. A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans.
I'm half Tlingit, and it makes me happy to know how hard my ancestors fought against Russian and American invaders. Not only that, but we've been able to maintain much more of our cultural practices thanks to being colonized by Europeans at a later time than most other indians. Still, it's disturbing to know that my people have become so fragmented, from the near-extinction of our language to the alcoholism and suicide rates that plague where I'm from. If anything, I can only pity the rootless Europeans who ran away to escape from something monstrous on the other side of the Atlantic. Intentionally or not, they brought a system that has been homogenizing people and non-human entities since its birth in the fertile crescent. It will try to swallow the whole world and standardize it into a singular cityscape, as I've seen from my times in Toronto or Vancouver. Disconnected from everything but its own reflection, this culture will kill everything it can before it kills itself. My Russian ancestors might have feared the forests and coasts for its strange peoples or "ungodly" ways, but they were once tied to the lands of eastern Europe and Scandinavia. In resisting the incursions of the Romans and Christians, they became what they fought against. When they reached the forests of the Tongass, they had become emissaries of something far more sinister than the devils of the wilderness. They were damaged by the nomadic culture that ensares the entire world in its grasp today, and for that I can only pity them. Only broken people rape, murder, or civilize.
>>493616
>he's internalised the noble savage meme
kek
>>482864
>I find it's so funny how the Red man has eventually fucked over the white man
He gets it.
They never signed a peace treaty, BTW.
To be 100% honest, I think Native American culture isn't worth much.
>>482552
Studying the imperialistic nature of some tribes/nations in a sociological lens would be interesting.
The Comanches, for example, were a backward bunch far behind their neighbors in terms of technology and culture until they learned how to ride and fight on horse back then BOOM! They started steam rolling everyone they came into contact with on the southern plains. They even gave the USA a headache.
>>482552
Plains Indians and cowboys is the stuff of stories my grandfather always told me.
Eastern seaboard Native Americans are also quite interesting.
>>483174
There are some tribes that are "winning".
>CA tribes and their casinos, lol
A local casino here just reopened after unfucking themselves. Lost their license after a bunch of infighting about who was a real tribesman (and therefore eligible for casino revenue). Fucking ridiculous.
I remember Natives in Brazil radically altered the soil into Terra Preta soil
>>487481
>Even the freed slaves were less trouble for southerners than natives were in this regard.
Being a freed slave was hell and infact it was the Southerners who were pure trouble for the freed ones pre and post emancipation. Pre emancipation it was even more fucked up.
>>482864
>best jobs, free health care and dental
Yeah and all it took was losing the vast majority of your numbers to widespread illness before being slaughtered like savages- good trade-off.
>>483161
>that time a bunch of them covered themselves in bear feces and skinned the enemy tribes children alive because they had better beads than them.
Specificity bub, d'you know what it is?
>>483180
I like to think about what their cultures would have been like had the American horse of the pleistocene epoch hadn't gone extinct, and were domesticated by the Beringian migrants.
>>483231
Well once the upheaval of the colonial settlers began they migrated, so they've already been ousted from their ancestral lands.
They were all scooped up and relocated to Oklahoma later anyway.
>>483285
That's one wise nigga.
>>494176
Burn or should I say Indian burn?
>>482552
Cherokee by far
>was 100% civilized
>had complete education system
>had a higher literacy rate than colonial america
>minarchist state with emphasis on free trade
>openly accepted white settlers into their tribe as long they accept the language
I live right next to what was their capital city: "New Echota".
Also I don't understand the massive racism against natives
>>494318
You mean Native American burn?
>>494768
You mean indigenous burn?
>>482552
i would be interested in seeing a comparison between central asian societies - the city peoples of the rivers and oases and the nomads (like the kyrgyz) on the steppes in central asia versus the development of similar cultures in north america.
even the society of tibet vs the society of the alto plano in south america.
parallels, yo.
>>482552
>What does /his/ think of Native American culture?
It's cool
Favorite tribe?
The two I know im realated to, the Cherokee and Blackfoot
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfoot_Confederacy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siksika_Nation
Most interesting conflict?
A few, (Custer's Last Stand Geronimo, The one south american tribe that wasnt coquered by Europeans (Spanish I think), etc.) ,but out of all of the ones im interested in, I remember reading somewhere a small skirmish between Viking setters and the Native, 'skraelings', Im pretty sure it's in a Saga somewhere, it's an account the Natives producing a certain weapon a black sphere that made a lot of noise and frightened then greatly. Ive said before that, whenever anyone says the ancients 'didn't' do something (like Vikings coming to America first), they most likely did and did it quite well.If it even has a chance of evidence for it, I want to know whatever the fuck that ball was.
>it's obvious that it must have been pic related
>>495022
Aren't Native Americans more closely related to 'Asians' than anyone else (especially Hawaiian's/islanders(related to Polynesians and Polynesian culture))? Those would be interesting parallels indeed
>>482978
>>490427
>stone age savages
I think he's also forgetting Jade is a stone.
Yes, truly the height of savagery right here. Inferior with no amazing culture to speak of. How could we all not bow blown before him, the great arbiter of all history and the cultures therein, with his nonexistant use of logic, reason and proper research whatsoever on a board dedicated to history and humanities
>>483088
>muh might makes right
If you're not even going to attempt an ethics and you're just going to fall back on uncivilized conflict mongering, get out of the business in politics. At least nihilists sit around doing nothing instead of endorsing endless cycles of violence and genocide.
>>497209
There's three main branches of Natives, the Polinesians more in the south continent,messo and parts of the north, the pre-europoids than were mainly in the North american east and parts of west, and very minor in south or messo and the Asiatics like the Inuits in the north.
>>497599
Nice, thanks will read up more
>mfw this thread
Anyway, there's some cool stuff. I don't recall the tribe name, (pretty sure it's not the Navajo), but the tribe that built the city in the side of a mountain is pretty cool, it's like Catalhuyuk but more stylish.
I've heard theories that agriculture was beginning to spread from South/Central America to the North when Europeans arrived, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>497852
>mfw I forgot mfw
>mfw it's the same face
>>497852
You mean the Pueblos? It was the name the Spaniards gave them (it mean village).
>>498012
Yeah, though I'd been thinking that's just what the structures were called.
