So /his/ what's your opinion on this man?
>>476978
Usurper of the rightful Roman throne.
But a pretty cool guy.
>>476978
Second greatest French emperor behind Napoleon
>>477037
this picture kinda makes me wonder what constantinople would look like the ERE never fell/was going through the industrial revolution a la London.
Founder of Western civilization as we know it.
>>477037
Pretender*
>>476978
Howdy Germanic servants
Check it out
I'm made of gold!
>>477352
Gold is a very valuable commodity
>>477358
I have no choice but to become your vassal
A butcher of humans, a man filed with hatred, and the destroyer of what could have been the great western civilization.
>>477054
It really probably wouldn't look much different than what it looked like under the Ottomans in that period, only whiter.
>>476978
hes great
>>477407
kill yourself.
>>476978
He shed the blood of the saxon man
>tfw a Saxon
>also have a moderate boner for Carolingians
>living proof he couldn't get us all
Internal conflict desu
>>478774
>living proof he couldn't get us all
All he was trying to do was convert you. He hated your heathenry, not your blood. Germanic tribes gotta stick together.
>>477037
The East failed to hold Ravenna and prevent the Lombards from taking hold of Rome.
Let the title lie with those capable of holding it.
>>477374
>the destroyer of what could have been the great western civilization
I agree, had he not tried to integrate the Germans, they wouldn't have tried to destroy Western Culture 4 times in the past 1000 years.
>>477047
>French
Nope.
>French
I like how the French don't realize the Franks are a German tribe that continues to live in modern Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconia
Cool dude
>>479538
I like how you don't realize that this tribe was being romanised since 600 years, was catholic, and fought hard the actual germanic tribes
he bought into the Jewish hoax (Christianity) and turned on his Germanic brethren
he was a good goy...
>>479538
lol Franks aren't from Franconia you dumb burger, Franconia was named like this because it got heavily colonised by the Franks (ie French) after they conquered Germany, same as Frankfurt.
The tribal confederacy of the Franks was originally from modern-day Belgium and the Northern Rhine region, but that was in the 3rd century. By the time of Charlemagne that tribe had long ceased to exist, Frank just meant French.
the true origin of the Germanic tribes is Scandinavia
it's probably a result of Aryan (haplogroups R1b and R1a) admixture with the native Old Europeans (haplogroup I)
Tacitus described them as one big clan
everyone blue eyed and blonde
tall and strong
Best Roman Emperor. Best German Emperor.
>>479648
olive-skinned, dark haired, swarthy, greasy, oily, Mediterraneans couldn't keep such a golden horde away from their lands
>>479538
>German tribe
No such thing you literal retard
GERMANIC tribe
You lost all credibility when you confused these two terms
>>479643
Really, so the Franks originated from the Ile de France and conquered Germany? Or wasn't it the other way around?
>>479694
I'm not confusing them. The Franks spoke German, making them a German tribe. Hence the core of the Frankish realm wasn't under French rule until Napoleon.
>>476978
HE IS A RACETRAIDOR AND EBIL DIGDATOR :-DDD HE GILLED DE BOOR INNOCENT SAGSONS WHO DINDU NUFFIN :-DDDD HE IS A GRISTGUCK WHO WORSHIBS A DEAD GIGE ON A STIG :-DDDD HE IS NOD YUROPEEAN AD ALL :-DDDD
>>479872
In the 3rd century a Germanic tribal confederation was formed around present day Netherlands called the Franks. Most of those settled West of the Rhine in Northeastern Gaul, within the borders of Rome, where they became Roman feoderatii, meaning vassals who would fight for Rome when called upon and defend its borders. At the time they already started intermarrying with local Gallo-Romans.
By the 5th century, Rome had mostly collapsed. Northwestern Gaul (around Paris, Reims, Soissons) aka Neustria was the last remaining part of the empire, led by a Gallo-Roman general. Southwestern Gaul (around Toulouse) aka Aquitaine was under Visigoth rule. Southeastern Gaul (around Lyon) aka Burgundy was under Burgundian rule. And Northeastern Gaul (around Tournai and Metz) aka Austrasia was under Frankish rule. In 486, Clovis king of the Franks conquered Neustria. But unlike the other Germanic kings, Clovis decided to assimilate into Gallo-Roman culture. He converted to Catholicism thus allowing Franks and Gallo-Romans to live together and intermarry, he allowed Gallo-Roman landowners to keep most of their land, he took the title of Roman consul, he established a new nobility made of both Franks and Gallo-Romans, and he placed his capital in Paris. This was the foundation of France, the only Dark Age kingdom that survived, and within a few decades it had conquered the rest of Gaul.
Fast forward 300 years. France still covers roughly the land of Gaul. "Frank" simply means inhabitant of France. Languages spoken depend on the region, but it's some form of Late Latin / Old French for most of the realm, with the exception of Basque in Gascony, Upper German in Alemania, and Frankish still spoken in Eastern Austrasia. This is when the Carolingians took power, and Charlemagne conquered Northern Italy and still pagan Germany.
The Frankish Kingdom/Empire had France and Germany. It is silly to clam it was France or that it was Germany.
If anything, Austrasia was the most powerful part, with the most powerful nobles. Charlemagne's family was from Austrasia and so were the Capets.
The only part of Germany that Charlemagne got for the Frankish Kingdom was Saxony.
>>480105
The two most important parts of Merovingian France were Neustria and Austrasia, in that order. Neustria had the most important cities, and it won the 6th century struggle against Austrasia. Austrasia was the home of the Carolingians but most certainly not of the Capetians, who emerged as counts of Paris only in the 9th century.
You're all mostly correct, but you highly overestimate the extent of Old French back then.
Charlemagne was born and raised and later preferred to live in an entirely proto-German/Frankish environment (Aachen).
>>480118
>Austrasia was the home of the Carolingians but most certainly not of the Capetians, who emerged as counts of Paris only in the 9th century.
It was.
>The Robertians, or Robertines, was the Frankish predecessor family of origin to the ruling houses of France; it emerged to prominence in the ancient Frankish kingdom of Austrasia as early as the eighth century—in roughly the same region as present-day Belgium—and later emigrated to West Francia, between the Seine and the Loire rivers. The members were ‘forefathers’ of the Capetian dynasty. With fealty (sometimes mixed with rancor) to the Carolingians they held the power of West Francia through the whole period of the Carolingian Empire; and from 888 to 987 theirs was the last extant kingdom of that house until they were succeeded by their own (Robertian) lineage, the house of Capet.
>>480121
Meh, that's all speculation. The earliest certain ancestor of the House of France is Robert the Strong, count of Paris. He's believed to be the probable son of Robert of Worms, but even so the Robertians rose to prominence in Neustria, not Austrasia.
>>480120
Charlemagne was from Herstal near Liege, which is right on the linguistic border. There's no reason to believe his mothertongue was one rather than the other. Aachen was again right on that border, and chosen for its central location in the new empire and its position on the Rhine.
>>480142
Despite the fact that it is rather stupid to assume the Frankish king would be raised in a foreign language of minor importance (making it impossible to communicate with his knights, relatives and people), the extent of the French language back then wasn't yet going so far.
>>478774
The Saxon dynasty became the new line of Holy Roman Emperors in the 10th century; only a century after Charlemagne subjugated them. Kinda ironic how former pagans became rulers of part of Charlemagne's realm.
I also liked how he beat the Avars and took their treasures. Too bad Moorish Iberia was a stain on his record.
>>480142
Ehinhard points that he spoke Old Frankish as first language:
>In speech he was fluent and ready, and could express with the greatest clearness whatever he wished. He was not merely content with his native tongue but took the trouble to learn foreign languages. He learnt Latin so well that he could speak it as well as his native tongue; but he could understand Greek better than he could speak it.[45] His fluency of speech was so great that he even seemed sometimes a little garrulous.
Ehinhard hints that, himself is not native Latin speaker, so when mentioning "Native tongue" he must be referring to the Old Frankish.
Other parts support this:
>He also wrote out the barbarous and ancient songs, in which the acts of the kings and their wars were sung, and committed them to memory. He also began a grammar of his native language.[51]
>He gave the months names in his own tongue, for before his time they were called by the Franks partly by Latin and partly by barbarous names. He also gave names to the twelve winds, whereas before not more than four, and perhaps not so many, had names of their own. Of the months, he called January Winter-month, February Mud-month, March Spring-month, April Easter-month, May Joy-month, June Plough-month, July Hay-month, August Harvest-month, September Wind-month, October Vintage-month, November Autumn-month, December Holy-month.[52] The following are the names which he gave to the winds:—The Subsolanus (east) he called East Wind; the Eurus (east by south) East-South Wind; the Euroauster (south by east) South-East Wind; the Auster (south) South Wind; the Austro-Afric (south by west) South-West Wind; the Afric (west by south) West-South Wind; the Zephyr (west) West Wind; the Corus (west by north) West-North Wind; the Circius (north by west) North-West Wind; the Septentrion (north) North Wind; the Aquilon (north by east) North-East Wind; the Vulturnus (east by north) East-North Wind.
>>479881
The German (Deutsch) people exist only since the 9th century, retard
Franks were Franks, not German
>>480262
So out of a sudden, Franks became Germans and Dutch? Cool story, Stanislav.
>>480272
Well, Ottonians still title themselves the "Franks" in their titles
>>479911
but it's true
>>480305
I can't even guess what you are referring to
>>480272
It wasnt sudden
Difference of culture between the East and the West grew slowly during the late 8th and early 9th century, and eventually lead to the division of the empire in 843
>>480386
Dude. No.
>>480446
Epic
>>479651
>Charles le Grand
>son of Pepin le Bref
>German
>>480553
>Charles le Grand
le Magne*
>>480553
>Karl der Große
>Pippin der Jünge
>proofing mothertongue with names made up centuries after
>>480262
>Franks were Franks, not German
They were not French either.
>>478312
I came into this thread just to post this
Daily reminder that Karl the Great was a native old HIGH GERMAN speaker
>>476978
Possibly the most important man of the European Middle Ages.
CHARLEMAGNE COULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
