>aryan
what the fuck did he mean by this
ethnicity? race? language group? a certain dna sequence?
>>472459
You can't really apply science to it because it wasn't. Racial biology was a psuedoscience that many european states accepted in the early 20th century.
It was the idea that within humanity, there were many different races.
>>472466
how exactly was aryan defined though.
>>472470
like the other anon pointed out already, it was a pseudoscience.
Germanics were considered aryans, as long as they did fit in the given dimensions, like height, hair colour, nose lenght, eye spacing and so on.
They even had certain Tiers of Aryans, for those who were of Germanic heritage, but for example brunettes or manlets.
Also not being related to a jew was mandatory and other admixtures also lowered your "Aryanism".
It's hella complex BS desu.
>>472470
There's no real consensus even amongst the nazis of the day.
Two very influential books in the rise of Naziism was
Houstan Stewart Chamberlain's The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, written by an englishmen who had a hardon for all things Germanic.
This work later inspired Alfred Rosenberg to write The Myth of the Twentieth Century, which was reveered amongst the nazi masses as something of a bible, but many upper tier nazis considered Rosenberg to be somewhat of a crackpot.
The idea was that out of all the races, the Ayrians were the elite. They were the strongest and brightest and most importantly, carried the spark to ignite and nurture superior culture.
But Aryanism wasn't the end of it. For instance, Germanian and Nordic were considered two sub-races of Aryanism, of which the Nordic race was considered the most pure and the one closes to the original "Aryans" who had settled in northern europe at an earlier date.
However not only blonde and blue eyed were considered Aryans according to Nazi doctrine. People living in Italy, for instance, were also Aryan, let less pure (contrasted with the purer Nordic races). That is, their blood was more dilluted by other races.
It should be noted that even at the end of the Third Reich, who was Aryan and who wasn't was still rather vague. For instance, jews were obviously considered not to be aryan, when in effect many Jews actually would be (seeing as Jewdom was a religion first and foremost and many jews had been living in Germany for centuries and had their blood diluted with german blood).
"Arya" was a word that the ancient tribes who were the founders of Hinduism and most of Indian civilization used to refer to themselves.
These "Aryans" were still really brown-skinned, but they were lighter than the native Indus Valley people they conquered. This led to theories in 19th century Europe where the ancient Aryans were thought to have been totally white people, like Germans or Irish or whatever.
These 19th century cooked up all these theories about how these ancient tribes of super-white Indian people started out in India, and then went off to populate Europe with white people, and then populated Tibet and even China and Mesopotamia and Egypt according to some theories.
This is obviously all crackpot stuff, but that's why Hitler called his race "Aryan" and didn't just use the term "white". He wanted to believe in this theory that the earliest white people were actually mystical conquering Hindus with a far more interesting culture than just Christianity and Norse Paganism.
The rest of the story is laid out well in the post above me.
Just remember that all white people were Aryans, it's just the Germanic peoples and specifically the people of Germany itself that were considered the most Aryan. Blond and blue-eyed people weren't actually considered the most Aryan of all, they weren't actually given special priveleges above your average Germanic person in the Reich, they just were thought of as being particularly beautiful.
>>472459
>Aryan
a obsolete word meaning indo-european, also a word Iranians described the ethnic people of Iran. For Hitler, europeans, and considering blondes were the rarest and subjectively the prettiest, he took them as the most precious aryans. little that he know is that objectively, nordics (aswell as south-slavs) are not aryans, not indo-europeans, but paleo-europeans, thus originally from europe, according to genetic research done in the recent years.
>>475014
Actually Nordics are the most Indo-European of all.
>>472459
A buzzword used by a deluded Iraniboo.
> mfw post-enlightenment Europeans LITERALLY walked around calling themselves Iranian
>>475603
Phrenology is more legitimate.
>>475603
Racial biology is a dead science because everything it concerned have been overtaken by studying genetics.
>>475603
The 19th century had loads of psuedosciences that are now considered obsolete. As >>475805
mentioned, phrenology was one of them. Mezmerism was another.
Apart from aesthetic differences, there is nothing that sets different races apart. There is at least nothing proven. If you wish to prove it, then indulge us with sources.
>>472466
Anthropology is science, now it's not regarded as such because of political reasons, even though you can tell a person's race just by his skull. Sorry but 2+2 will never be 5.
>>472459
Aryans were an ancient tribe that spread their language, religion and way of life on the peoples of Europe, Central asia, Iran and India. Hitler believed germanics are pure descendants of this tribe, or something like that.
>>475026
no we are not, we are predominantly Haplogroup-I in our Y-DNA (patrilineal) which is not Indo-European but Paleo-European.
>Haplogroup I-M253 (M253, M307, P30, P40) displays a very clear frequency gradient, with a peak frequency of approximately 35% among the populations of southern Norway, southwestern Sweden, and Denmark, and rapidly decreasing frequencies toward the edges of the historically Germanic-influenced world.
>>475855
>Anthropology is science, now it's not regarded as such because of political reasons, even though you can tell a person's race just by his skull. Sorry but 2+2 will never be 5.
Since when is Anthropology no longer considered a science? And how does it apply here? We're discussing the national socialist scientific racism here (not meant as a derogatory word). Anthropology is a much, much wider subject which, amongst other things, once upon a time encompassed racial biology (since rejected because it turns out there was nothing to it).
>>472470
It wasn't. The Nazis never were actually able to define it
>>475846
>Apart from aesthetic differences, there is nothing that sets different races apart.
It's worse than that. Racial theory has never even reached the level of being falsifiable.
It has never been able to determine what a race is, what the parameters of them are, and how we would know one if we saw it.
>>475944
This. Wiener dog and German shepard are same. No differences.
>>472488
>>472520
>>475771
>>475934
>>475944
These answers are incorrect
>>475014
This is the correct answer, it was an early way of saying indo european
>>475893
Y dna is a genetic paternal ancestry that represents one out of thousands of your ancestors.
This anon is actually correct>>475026 Autosomally Northern Europeans carry the highest amount of Yamnaya (indo european) ancestry in modern times
>>476135
>This is the correct answer, it was an early way of saying indo european
None of your other quoted replies contradicts this statement in any way. But I think he wanted a more indepth answer than just
"Archaic synonym for Indo European".
>>472459
Countries Hitler liked vs countries he didn't.
Literally it.
>>476155
I was just trying to draw attention to my post, to be honest
>>472459
pseudoscience populist bullshit
classic 20th century
>>476227
>implying what we have today such as "no such thing as race" isn't propaganda populist bullshit
>>476227
>Except modern science has found them correct
>>476135
> tries to get Iran to join the axis
> sends them a shit load of books
> calls them "pure Aryan bros"
> loves Islam
nothing you said contradicts the fact that they were going around calling themselves Iranian
>>472466
This post is literally word salad.
>>476409
In the english language there is a distinction between Iranian and Aryan speakers, Aryan referring to the indo european group the entered the sub continent.
At the time of Hitler the Indo european hypothesis was no clearly defined so the word "aryan" which was only the name for a smaller subgroup was used for the whol
>>476135
>Y dna is a genetic paternal ancestry that represents one out of thousands of your ancestors.
no it represents only the one patriliniean ancestor from which you descend, since it is inherited.
>yamnaya
Y-DNA haplogroup: R1a, R1b, and J. Not Haplogroup I. Also not in norther Europe but in Ukraine
Educate yourself, being stupid and discussing shit you do not know is a futile activity
>>475948
They are the same species and subspecies. Race means subspecies in some circles, and species in another. No one is saying that humans aren't different, you idiot.
>>476626
>no it represents only the one patriliniean ancestor from which you descend, since it is inherited.
Here's the shocker idiot, are you ready?! Your father and his father and his father as well only relieved that one paternal marker, it goes all the way back until you can pinpoint the specific mutation into a subclade. In that way it represents only one direct paternal ancestor out of thousands of other male ancestors.
Y-DNA haplogroup: R1a, R1b, and J. Not Haplogroup I. Also not in norther Europe but in Ukraine
I already know this, but guess what?? That is fucking ydna and shows you one single fucking ancestor! Northern europeans might have a lot of non indo european y dna but they have overwhelming the most Yamnaya autosomal dna which is make up of ALL genetic ancestors.>>475026
>Educate yourself, being stupid and discussing shit you do not know is a futile activity
Holy fucking hell, apply this to yourself you uneducated shit, you didnt even understand autosomal or ydna
How are so many of you here unable to grasp genetic anthropology? Its not that fucking hard. I have to explain the basic concepts every single time its discussed to you idiots
>>476717
You piece of retarded shit, the only thing you did in your thread is to repeat crap the anon already said.
Y-DNA carries the Haplogroup which is inherited by all your patrilineal ancestors from a single ancestors where the mutation occured not thousands of them you dumbfuck.
Yamnaya has no fucking patrilineal Y-DNA I Haplogroups, therefore in a population such as the Scandinavian one where the Haplogroup I is predominant it is retarded to believe that the Yamnaya are the overwhelming ancestors of that particular population.
autosomal crap means absolute dipshit in declaring which ancestry a national population has, since the nations where formed by ethnographic markers inherited in europe through an absolute patrilineal lineage.
>retard reads some shit on wikipedia, starts discussing idiot-tier genetics on /chin, fucking hurts, like teaching a burger how to communicate.
>>476809
>Yamnaya has no fucking patrilineal Y-DNA I Haplogroups, therefore in a population such as the Scandinavian one where the Haplogroup I is predominant it is retarded to believe that the Yamnaya are the overwhelming ancestors of that particular population.
But we have autosomal dna that tells us that they are the most related!!!!! How fucking dense are you!!!??? Y dna is a one paternal fucking ancestro you dumb shit!
>autosomal crap means absolute dipshit in declaring which ancestry a national population has, since the nations where formed by ethnographic markers inherited in europe through an absolute patrilineal lineage.
The autosomal dna was compared to ancient Yamnaya autosomal dna its completely accurate!
You honestl believes ONE genetic marker from ONE out of lteral THOUSAND OF ANCESTORS is more important than the COMPLETE GENETIC ANCESTRY OF THE THE OTHER THOUSAND OF ANCESTORS?1
How fucking dumb do you have to be believe to think this!?
>>retard reads some shit on wikipedia, starts discussing idiot-tier genetics on /chin, fucking hurts, like teaching a burger how to communicate.
I have been following genetic anthropology since 2008! I bet you are the fucking amateur here because its the most common fucking mistake for illiterate people like you to believe ydna is actually important and not just for tracking population movements.
Go to any fucking genetic forum, go to Eurogenes, Go to dienekes, go to eupedia, got to genetiker call up fucking Dr. David Reich head geneticist at Harvard ask all the fucking people here "what is more important at determining ancestry ydna or autosomal dna?" and see what they say!
>Y-DNA carries the Haplogroup which is inherited by all your patrilineal ancestors from a single ancestors where the mutation occured not thousands of them you dumbfuck
No you shut up dumbfuck, if you have a great great etc grandfather and he was an african with ydna A and all your other ancestors were white you are saying...
>>476870
saying... that this man is actually an african and not white at all because his ydna given from his great great great great great great great great great grandfather was typical of africa.
Good thing autosomal dna exists to tell us that he is actually 99.9999 percent european and its just a silly paternal marker.
Its the same thing with the samples here 30 percent of Norwegians may have haplogroup I which is not associated with indo european but autosomally they have 75 percent Yamnaya ancestry which tells us their paternal ancestry was not typcial of the rest of theirs
Its called genetic drift and its a fucking basic concept in genetics, now honestly I want you to go to any of the sites I mentioned before and I want you to say "Ydna ia more important than autosomal dna in determining ancestry, this is a common known fact " and I want to see how many people laugh at your stupid fucking ass
>>472459
It was total pseudoscience racism promulgated by the Nazis. However, it referred to non-Slavic ethnic Europeans.
>>476891
> if you have a great great etc grandfather and he was an african ... you are saying that this man is actually an african and not white at all
not that anon but yeah, that is what it is all about. If you are a descendant from a nigger, you are by ancestry not an european. simple as that.
not that I personally give a fuck, but some hardline pure european ancestry fags, surely do.
>>476870
>Go to any fucking genetic forum, go to Eurogenes, Go to dienekes, go to eupedia, got to genetiker call up fucking Dr. David Reich head geneticist at Harvard ask all the fucking people here "what is more important at determining ancestry ydna or autosomal dna?" and see what they say!
I know shit about genes m8, but for every person living in Europe, I am sure that the one thing that determines your ancestry is your paternal ancestor, the fucker whos lineage you are continuing, it was like that since the medieval times, it is like that now. Noone gives a fuck which woman the guy loved, fucked, raped, stolen etc. since that was a common thing through most of european history. men where the one that formed nations, cultures and identites, not women.
my two cents
>>476948
Ok /pol/lock bad example
What if this great great great great great etc grandfather had ydna I and was a european hunter gathers but the rest of all your ancestors were Indo europeans and you were 99.9999 percent indo european autosomally, would you still be considered non indo european compared to someone who was 99.9999 percent african but had a great great great great great etc grandfather who had ydna R1b which is typical of indo europeans?
According to the anon, the second is more indo european just because of his ydna, even if he looked like shaq and he was 99 percent african
Remember that there is no pure indo european or eurpean hunter gatheres left.
>>476891
since the only reason people are on muh ancestry trips today is to determine if they are of a specific ethnicity, the only thing important in the genetic research for them is what patrilinear lineage they have, since ethnicities were formed by exactly that, patrilinear inheritence of oral traditions that formed the cultures.
>>472459
This guy.
>>476991
>>476993
And to add to this only 25- to 30 percent of Northern european males carry ydna I the other 50 to 60 percent carry R1a and R1b which is typcial indo european
But look at ydna R1's distribution are Indians and some africans really more indo european to you ydna fags just because of ONE SINGLE ancestor?
>>476991
anon you seem to not understand the basic principle how european ethnicities and nations formed and ancestry is perceived in europe. it is by patrilinear descent (e.g. surname as the most trivial example). of course I understand that by autosomal dna my ancestors probably picked (in your example) mostly indo-european women, however that does not change the fact that I stem from a paleo-european ancestor (if haplo-I) and for europeans that is the main interest, not the women my ancestors picked.
for matrilinear societies the other may be the case.
>>476995
>since ethnicities were formed by exactly that, patrilinear inheritence of oral traditions that formed the cultures.
I sorry to interject but this completely false most people take the culture of their mothers instead and the anon was talking about dna in general and your whole autosomal dna seems why more important than a silly marker that is shared with africans, are they indo european as well?>>477012
>>476870
>>476891
>haplos
>you got the african one, don't ya
>KEK
calm down niglet, nothing horrible has befallen you
>>477015
But even this is incorrect... the hunter gathers language, society, names all died out and Indo europeans conquered them even despite your ydna haplogroup
There isnt a single hunter gatherer language left except MAYBE basque who have typical indo European y dna and typical Iberian autosomal ancestry...
It seems you are the one with the basic understanding
>>477027
>I sorry to interject but this completely false most people take the culture of their mothers
>non-euro detected
pathetic
>>477035
I have ydna R1b, I was making an example for you to understand, nice ad hominen though, it shows me you ran out of idea and know I'm correct
>>477042
If you have ydna I why do you speak a Indo european language and why did your ancestor worship pagan indo european gods?
>>477027
>I sorry to interject but this completely false most people take the culture of their mothers
>>476948
>not that anon but yeah, that is what it is all about. If you are a descendant from a nigger, you are by ancestry not an european. simple as that.
If that's the case, then literally all humans on the planets count as such, because if you go back far enough, you'll meet some jet black East African in your family.
>>477156
>If that's the case, then literally all humans on the planets count as such, because if you go back far enough, you'll meet some jet black East African in your family.
not if you are haplogroup I, those niggas come from Europe
>>477163
The mutation was derived in europe, all people come from africa dont even deny it
>>477180
>The mutation was derived in europe, all people come from africa dont even deny it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
nigga, please
>>477188
>Multiregional origin
>this dumb frogposter actually believes in this
My fucking God.
>>477188
According to this hypothesis we still all come from africa though
>>477208
>believes in "out of africa"
>we wuz all niggas n sheeit
the merchant shilling is too obvious shlomo
>>472520
>Rosenberg
>somewhat of a crackpot
That's somewhat of an understatement. Rosenberg turned me off Nazism forever, and I was an edgy 16 year old open to any occult bullshit as long as it was obscure enough.
>>477234
>four subspecies of Homo erectus somehow evolving into the exact same species of Homo sapiens
No. You would get completely different species, like with Homo heidelbergensis, which lived in Africa, Europe, and Asia. The African species that evolved from them were Homo sapiens, the European species that evolved from there were Neanderthals, and the Asian species that evolved form there are Denisovans.
>>477270
>No. You would get completely different species
>some wiki-educated afro-european anon knows more about genetics and shit than actual scientists. spilling shit to fit his wet "we wuz qins" dreams
you actually did, euros, asians and afros
>>476809
You realize Scandies are only like 30% haplogroup I anyway? The rest is R1b and R1a, Indo-European lineages. So they are both Indo-European by autosomal DNA and Y-DNA.
>>477287
>redpilled than the masses for their "knowledge."
>"haploshits"
arguing with science
>>477312
>arguing with science
>ignores autosomal dna because muh feels
>>477317
>shills autosomal DNA because descending from a nigger
>>477163
Haplogroup I comes from the (West Asian) Haplogroup IJ which comes from (Southwest Asian) Haplogroup IJK which comes from Haplogroup HIJK which comes from (South Asian?) Haplogroup GHIJK which comes from (South Asian) Haplogroup F which comes from (West Asian) Haplogroup CF which comes from (East African) Haplogroup CT which comes from...
Because haplogroups evolve form older stock, you dumbfuck.
So no, those niggas all come from Africa.
>>477317
look man I wouldn't spit on you if I saw you, I'm not that kind of a man. But I don't give a fuck how much european girls your dad or your granddad fucked, you are not european in my book, period.
>>477292
>doesn't known about Haplogroup L1
pic related
>>477325
>>477341
What? I was making an analogy, why do you think I was referring to myself? If I was a nigger I wouldnt hide it
The main point is that you guys(or maybe samefags who know) failed to understand the analogy and reverted to ad Hominems
>>475833
The modern name of Iran (and therefore iranian) comes from the middle persian "eran shahr" meaning kingdom of the aryans, as atested by the bilingual or trilingual inscriptions where the parthian version shows clearly that eran is the plural of aryan in middle persian, eran shahr meaning "kingdom of the iranians". Iranian ultimately means aryan.
That said, it's of course more likely that the 19th century english term comes from India.
>>477341
>look man I wouldn't spit on you if I saw you, I'm not that kind of a man.
very good anon, very good
>>477341
Nordics are still majority R1a/R1b, so that makes them mongols from central asia, sorry
>>477386
>>477341
I like how you two made up a story about how I was a nigger instead of actually listening to the analogy I was making, I'm sure your parents enjoyed your imagination when you were a child
If science and simple analogies are too complicated for you and everything has to be about niggers and being mad at others you can stay on /pol/
>>477434
This is weak b8 as well
>>472459
Politically-motivated psuedoscience. There may be some fragments of it that were coincidentally true, but that doesn't change anything.
Hitler liked the Arabs? They're Aryan! Hitler doesn't like the Jews? They're not Aryan.
In conclusion, basically any kind of Caucasian race or ethnicity that Hitler didn't dislike was Aryan.
