Alright, so I'm an Austrian-American (no muh heritage shit, parents came here in the 80s) and have absolutely no knowledge of German WW2 units but I've recently had a conversation about WW2 shit with my mom and she told me that her grandfather served in the SS and told me she only remembered this patch she saw at her old place in Salzburg. I did this shitty drawing with her help and as you can see it's basically those 2 crossed drumsticks or whatever the fuck that's supposed to be and I'd love to know if anyone here knows the name of the unit who used that symbol. Thanks in advance.
First SS Panzer Division Butthole
>>470824
4/10 too obvious.
>>470824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
>>470845
I guess that must be the one, gotta ask mother later. Thanks dude, gonna read up on that shit.
Thread can be deleted or whatever.
>>470846
Try harder, kiddo
>>470851
No probs, those are Stielhand-grenades by the way
>>470846
You can be proud of your grandad
He did all he could to wip out the Slavic plague from Earth
>>470824
>Anon's granddad was literally member of one of history's most notorious murder and rape machines
>>470932
This isnt O'Hara's redcoats unit
Fags were responsible for thousands of rape and mureders from 1776 to 1783
If this is legit, your great-grandfather fought for the SS Dirlewanger Brigade, and was almost certainly a very horrible war criminal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
>Dirlewanger's unit took part in the occupation of Belarus, where it carved out a reputation within the Waffen-SS as an atrocious unit. Numerous Heer and SS commanders attempted to remove Dirlewanger from the SS and disband the unit, although he had patrons within the Nazi apparatus who intervened on his behalf. His unit was most notably credited with the destruction of Warsaw, and the massacre of ~100,000 of the city's population during the Warsaw Uprising; and participating in the brutal suppression of the Slovak National Uprising in 1944. Dirlewanger's Division of the Waffen SS generated fear throughout Waffen-SS Organizations including the SS-Führungshauptamt (SS Command Headquarters) and earned the notoriety as the most criminal and heinous SS unit in Hitler's war machine.
>"After the door of the building was blown off we saw a daycare-full of small children, around 500; all with small hands in the air. Even Dirlewanger's own people called him a butcher; he ordered to kill them all. The shots were fired, but he requested his men to save the ammo and finish them off by rifle-butts and bayonets. Blood and brain matter flowed in streams down the stairs."
Congrats OP. Good troll if not true.
>>471030
Damn
>>471082
Depending on when he joined, he could have been a political prisoner trying to defect. Maybe worth researching though.
>>470824
your great-grandfather was part of the 1 SS unit not even /pol/ will fanboy over
shit son he's a reall pice of work alright
>dirlewanger
Holy shit, I did not need this kek today.
>>471030
>dirlewanger
Being born not very far from the are they operated in I know them by reputation. Jesus Christ, what a bunch of awful cunts.
>>472113
Dude, that's not fair. You gotta hear their side of the story man.
if true your grandfather wasn't a proud ss man, but a degenerate psychopath and lunatic
>>470882
And he failed :D like fagermany always does
>>470845
>Dirlewangers rapists
anon finding out his grandfather was in the ISIS detachment of the nazis
>Within a couple of years, the unit grew into a band of common criminals. In contrast to those who served in the German penal battalions for committing minor offences, the recruits sent into Dirlewanger's band were convicted of major crimes such as premeditated murder, rape, arson and burglary. Dirlewanger provided them with an opportunity to commit atrocities on such a scale that even the SS executioners complained.[5] Martin Windrow, the British historian, described them as a "terrifying rabble" of "cut-throats, renegades, sadistic morons, and cashiered rejects from other units".[9] Some Nazi officials romanticized the unit, viewing the men as "pure primitive German men" who were "resisting the law".[10]
>>474897
as hitler predicted, the übermensch was siegreich
>>474972
>to commit atrocities on such a scale that even the SS executioners complained.
>>471030
>Schenck (a sapper serving in the Wehrmacht) testified seeing a Dirlewanger man raping a girl while wielding a knife, and then cutting her wide open along the entire length of her torso after ejaculation. Up to 40,000 civilians were murdered in Wola in less than two weeks of August, including all hospital patients and staff.[19][20]
Fucking Christ, the Germans deserved everything they got afterwards.
Fucking heinous.
>>475027
There was sicker shit than that.
Croatians used to slaughter Serbs in such a manner in WW2 that even Gestapo complained of having them in their alliance, as they resembled more animals than man.
>The Ustaše were fiercely Catholic, identifying it with Croatian nationalism. They declared that the Catholic and Muslim faiths were the religions of the Croatian people. They claimed the Islam was a religion which "keeps true the blood of Croats".
>Increased activity of the bands [partisans and monarchists] is chiefly due to atrocities carried out by Ustaše units in Croatia against the Serbian population. The Ustaše committed their deeds in a bestial manner not only against males of conscript age, but especially against helpless old people, women and children. The number of the Serbs that the Croats have massacred and sadistically tortured to death is about three hundred thousand. - A Gestapo report to Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler, dated 17 February 1942
>>474972
the true face of the "aryan - übermensch"
>>475057
>Historian Martin Windrow wrote that in summer of 1944 Dirlewanger led his "butchers, rapists and looters into action against the Warsaw Uprising, and quickly committed ... unspeakable crimes."[28]
>In Warsaw, Dirlewanger participated in the Wola massacre, together with police units rounding up and shooting some 40,000 civilians, most of them in just two days.[6] In the same Wola district, Dirlewanger burned three hospitals with patients inside, while the nurses were "whipped, gang-raped and finally hanged naked, together with the doctors" to the accompaniment of music.[6]
>Later, "they drank, raped and murdered their way through the Old Town, slaughtering civilians and fighters alike without distinction of age or sex."[7]
>In the Old Town – where about 30,000 civilians were killed – several thousand wounded in field hospitals overrun by the Germans were shot and set on fire with flamethrowers.[6] >Reportedly, "the Dirlewanger brigade burned prisoners alive with gasoline, impaled babies on bayonets and stuck them out of windows and hung women upside down from balconies."[29]
>>475062
They paid and still paying for what they have done
>>475078
no they are not, Americans made an effort to allow Germans their reparations to be excused. Thats why some countries (like Greece, Poland, Serbia, etc.) in Europe are pissed because of this burger crap.
Did the Allies not have any renegade units like these?
>>475083
>americans taught europe to look away, rather than in resentment
>let's complain about that
>>475078
>They paid and still paying for what they have done
lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Reinefarth
>During the Warsaw Uprising of August 1944 his troops committed numerous war atrocities. After the war Reinefarth became the mayor of the town of Westerland and member of the Schleswig-Holstein Landtag. Despite Polish demands for extradition, he was never convicted of any war crimes.
>>475086
Americans had a bunch of dudes who burnt millions of japanese civilians alive between 1942 and 1945
>>475096
Nazi Germany should've been nuked just like Japan tbqhfamily.
>>471030
Dirlewanger wasn't a real fighting division, it was literally a collection of pedophiles, convicted criminals, mental patients, rapists etc. Basically the untermensch brigade.
>>475093
Lol
Good thing the people in the red army got their revenge and were celebrated for it naziboo
Also all those executed at the trials
>>475083
I been to germany and i do not envy them even with all those euros
>>475099
If it weren't for the fucking americans doing shit after the war, we would have finally a stable europe.
>>475101
Wouldn't exactly say the Red Army is celebrated for it though, but yes, if you aggressively invade and continuously murder civilians for 5 years, do not expect people to behave nicely in return.
I'm actually surprised Germany wasn't completely annihilated.
>>475083
Well now they have a million Muslim refugees in their country, with more to come. That's pay back I guess...
>>475110
>I'm actually surprised Germany wasn't completely annihilated.
guess why
>>475100
>He became a violent alcoholic, and in 1934 was convicted of the statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl and stealing government property.
>After serving a two-year jail sentence, Dirlewanger was released. Soon after, he was arrested again for sexual assault. He was interned in a concentration camp.
>From the beginning the formation attracted negative criticism from both the Nazi Party and the SS for the idea that convicted criminals who were forbidden to carry arms, therefore then exempt from conscription in the Wehrmacht could be a part of the elite SS.
>Within a couple of years, the unit grew into a band of common criminals. In contrast to those who served in the German penal battalions for committing minor offences, the recruits sent into Dirlewanger's band were convicted of major crimes such as premeditated murder, rape, arson and burglary. Dirlewanger provided them with an opportunity to commit atrocities on such a scale that even the SS executioners complained. Martin Windrow, the British historian, described them as a "terrifying rabble" of "cut-throats, renegades, sadistic morons, and cashiered rejects from other units".
>By September 1940, the formation numbered over 300 men. Dirlewanger was appointed an SS-Obersturmführer by Himmler. With the influx of criminals, the emphasis on poachers was now lost, though many of the former poachers rose to NCO ranks to train the unit. Those convicted of other more severe crimes, including the criminally insane, joined the unit.
>In May 1943, the eligibility to volunteer for service in the regiment was extended to all criminals and as a result 500 men convicted of the most severe crimes were absorbed into the regiment.
>>475099
>>475042
Why do blame all the Germans for the crimes of what was essentially a penal batallion? Should the Russian people eternally suffer for what they did to Ukrainians too?
>>475112
Lets also not forget that Germany surrendered before America had the opportunity to start nuking it.
So lets not think there's some ethnic solidarity going on here, because there wasn't.
>>475118
>Why do blame all the Germans for the crimes of what was essentially a penal batallion?
The German people democratically elected the National Socialists.
>>475126
As evidenced by this thread, even the nazis themselves were disapproving of this shit, let alone the general public. Furthermore, applying collective guilt to entire ethnic groups is the same shit nazis did. Are you a nazi?
>>475133
>even the nazis themselves were disapproving of this shit
Only *certain* Nazis. The Nazis who mattered, i.e people like Heinrich Himmler thought it was fitting behavior for "a true and noble German".
As for the collective guilt, in this instance it's really hard not to see how it wasn't the average German voter's fault yes.
>>475159
>Do you believe in moderate muslims?
Absolutely.
Do I believe in a moderate National Socialist?
No.
>>475163
>>475163
You're a fucking hypocrite then.
>>475163
Both islam and nazism are violent ideologies that should be banned
>>475166
But Anon, Islam is a religion of peace! Wow just wow I can't believe you're being such an islamopbobe
>>475174
>Look, of course I don't hold all Germans accountable like some doctrine of original sin
>"the Germans deserved everything they got afterwards."
>"The German people democratically elected the National Socialists."
>"As for the collective guilt, in this instance it's really hard not to see how it wasn't the average German voter's fault yes."
>>475182
So you don't agree that the Germans who were alive then have more responsibility for it, than the Germans who live now?
>>475179
lol no, neither should be banned.
They should just know their place.
>>475174
What do the german women have to do with it? They couldn't even fucking vote back then, not that it would have mattered.
It seems to me you are an ignorant piece of shit. Nothing personal or anything.
>>475189
>What do the german women have to do with it?
Nothing. Just like the women the SS soldiers raped and disemboweled.
>>475185
Sure, they have more responsibility. But did they have ALL the responsibility? No, I do not believe that.
>>475185
The main difference is that Germans killing Russians is not as much of a crime as Russians killing Germans. Not a naziboo, but it's like saying that French people killing sub-saharan Africans is as bad as if those blacks killed French people, it's irrational m8
>>475203
>Not a naziboo
Mhm.
>>475194
>wrong plus wrong equals right
I see you get your morality from the old testament.
>>475222
Some times it does m8.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be content with a man who raped and kill your daughters just to be in jail for the rest of his life, or worse, get less than life imprisonment.
>>475220
>Being against meaningless violence and "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" makes you a nazi
Top fucking kek!
>>475225
There's a big whooping difference between justice and vengence.
>>475228
>There's a big whooping difference between justice and vengence.
Yeah, you mean like the Nuremberg trials?
>>475232
Yes.
What the allies did was justice according to the allies, and vengeance according to the nazies.
>>475226
But that's not what you said fag.
>>475225
Actually, I consider life inprisonment to be far more cruel then an immediate execution.
Also, If I took revenge on that person, I wouldn't be so conceited as to claim the moral high ground afterwards. Revenge is a pretty primitive motive for any action.
>>475232
What a farce that was. You would think that, because the trial went on for a year, that more than three hours would be spent on covering the supposed attempt at Jewish genocide.
>>475238
Exactly, so the difference between them really is who won and who gets to judge.
>>475225
If that happened, I'd try to find the guy who committed those crimes. It's like if I go to England and some English dude stole my watch. I'm not gonna go to random English dudes and beat the shit out of them since they had nothing to do with it. Whether we'd be in an actual war or not is irrelevant.
>>475247
No, but we aren't talking about watches being stolen.
We are talking about hundreds of thousands, if not millions of civilians being murdered.
>>475118
>the emphasis on poachers was now lost, though many of the former poachers rose to NCO ranks to train the unit
I think the initial idea was based on a somewhat romanticized idea of noble poachers, but nobody told Himmler that it was the fucking 20th century and poaching was barely even a thing anymore, so it basically became the rapist bridage
>>475252
Would you hold the weapons industry, politicians and bankers that orchestrated the war responsible as well, or are you a retard with double standards?
>>475252
Not the same guy but why let out your rage on innocent people just cause your own innocent people were killed? You should rather rape and disembowel the soldiers than women and children.
>>475266
>Would you hold the weapons industry, politicians and bankers that orchestrated the war responsible as well
Most definitely. Especially if the industry is under direct orders from the government.
>>475118
>Why do blame all the Germans for the crimes of what was essentially a penal batallion?
I blame about a third of them.
>>475268
>>475274
As I pointed out here>>475110, I don't celebrate anyone's actions during that war, but don't expect your enemy to be nice to you, when you have been exceedingly cruel to them.
Chances are they will be even worse to you, because the things you accuse me off(having a shitty morality) wouldn't even exist in this scenario.
>>475270
So you would have to rape and murder some of the wealthiest families on the planet, then their respective governments, and their functionaries, then their supporters. Can you see the problem here? In the end you would have murdered more people then the nazis you hate so much.
>But M-Muh Justice
>>475287
Now you're just being a pathetic retard, and you're quite clearly rustled by the fact that the Germans in that era quite clearly brought the shit upon themselves, and could've quite easily avoided anything happening to either their womenfolk or their male civilians for that matter, but that doesn't seem to penetrate your head at all, because you're probably a Naziboo faggot yourself.
>>475276
You should blame the KPD for not uniting with the SPD to stop Hitler because Stalin told them not to.
>>475280
I don't expect anyone to be nice to me, I am posting on 4chan after all.
Morality is either universal or doesn't exist. It doesn't "shut down" in wartime. Either you believe in it and act accordingly or you don't.
>>475174
This post was made by an idiot who seems to think the systematic use of rape as a weapon of war by the soviets was justified, either because of the actions of Nazis or the replies on an imageboard. I think that shows a very lopsided and simplistic understanding of what is right and wrong. Wouldn't you agree?
>>475312
The SPD had no interest in joining forces with the KPD until it was way to late. Hitler was made Chancellor in early 1933 and the coming Federal / Reichstag elections of march 1933, the brownshirts effectively ruled the streets with passive police support, subduing all attempts at the leftist parties even putting up election posters.
>>475268
>>475304
Told you that mouthbreather would resort to name-calling when his common core education fails him.
Read up on how the Rockefellers, for example financed both the Nazi party and Soviets prior to the war and made a mint off the ensuing bloodshed.
I'd laugh at you but your mindset is so common these days I honestly just feel a little sad.
>>475276
thats stupid, you cannot blame them for something they didn't know. It was not like Hitler said in his election campaign
>"If you elect me, I am going to make death camps where we will execute jewish, roma and slavic citizens, furthermore we are going to start a war against neighbouring nations and do the same to them, in these campaigns we are going to commit attrocities that were never heard off before. Thank you."
However you can blame them if that shit was known before or there were indications that he is going to do shit like that, and people said who the fuck cares, we like him anyhow. he was a fucking socialist like any other, the only thing was that he was a german socialist that resented slavic bolshewism other than SPD or KPD.
>>475344
This. The problem is that most people think the Germans were aware of all the shit that happened. Most Germans, especially the civilians had no fucking idea that there was a holocaust.
>>475350
A conspiracy so strong, even the perpetrators didn't know what they were doing. The liquid from the showers felt like water. The camp theater sounded just like real theater. The haircuts given with scissors two minutes before gassing looked like nice haircuts.
Eerie.
>>475344
You have essentially the same thing today the with nations like the Serbs. Genocide over muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, where none of the citizens knew until the serbian journalists themselves posted videos that leaked from the paramilitary groups (mostly criminals on rampage) on national broadcast. Then NATO came and bombed the bejeezus out of them.
>>475099
pretty much this.
japan didn't deserve to get nuked - it only happened because the us knew they were die-hard soldiers that wouldn't never retreat if they invaded them; and since they were tight as a tick, would hardly negotiate peace and would destroy all the boots the usa could send to their island they decided to end the problem before it was even one (too bad they couldn't do it on vietnam a few years later)
but the germans, they're the worst scum of europe and they destroy, kill, rape and plunder their way all over the place since the earliest german tribes so yeah - the world would be a better place with them out of the map once and for all since they the walls spliting those warmongering subhumans were destroyed in the late 80's
>>475350
they most certainly wasn't aware of the intricacies of the system but through programs that enforced Volksgemeinschaft and other such insidious terrors upon social 'deviants' it was quite obvious that the wind was blowing that way. Case in point being that the Gestapo wasn't such a large organisation as it is believed and they instead relied on the civilian populace to police itself and point out these deviants to the secret police.
>>475118
>Why do blame all the Germans for the crimes of what was essentially a penal batallion?
they're habitual offenders they've pulled this kind of shit since the early days.
>Should the Russian people eternally suffer for what they did to Ukrainians too?
a big yes too.
russians are in the same tier as the germans when it comes to being fucking animals.
>>475276
the right wing scum and the commies could have started a very "atypical" alliance to prevent hitler from rising to power and even call for another round of elections... can someone with some understanding of this era tell me why didn't they do it?
>>475468
>the right wing scum and the commies could have started a very "atypical" alliance to prevent hitler from rising to power and even call for another round of elections... can someone with some understanding of this era tell me why didn't they do it?
nevermind this part - i was seeing the "last election" tab.
but a major coalition of all the parties in the reichstag could have prevented this somehow.
>>475449
>japs didn't deserve to get nuked
>but germans did
nip/weeb pls leave
![DnTt0eM[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/csqwYxX.png "DnTt0eM[1].png")
>>475494
nah... even if i had some admiration for the japanese people (as i had about the scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french) it all vanished once they the us nuked the shit out of them and turned them into a pale and pathetic shadow of what they once were.
>>475509
shit gramps I didn't know you were alive when they nuked the nips
>as i had about the scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french
wut
please elaborate
>>470824
Dirlewanger's finest
You can be proud
>>475362
Yeah, we all remember the time when Hitler put up a big sign in Berlin that said "We're currently exterminating the jews, join us if you want" and all the Germans showed up to kill them.
>>475226
Retard just like every naziboo
Also killing germans is not a crime its a good deed to humanity
When i will hear the first terrorist attack in fagermany i will open up a champagne amd jerk off to ded german pics
>>475579
>fagermany
No one else is saying this but you.
What country are you from?
Clearly it has been molested by ze evil Nazis.
>>475720
>No one else is saying this but you.
there's several of us saying that about fagermany :^)
>>475725
>there's several of us
There's literally only you.
>>475725
>same broken english
>same edgy retardation
>us
nope.
>>475720
10 bucks it's the same butthurt polish citizens that keep making anti-viking threads.
>>475737
Now kys crybaby naziboohoo
>>475742
10 bucks you are a naziboo :^}
Now get back to pol thats where retards like you containated
>>475518
>scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french
>admiration
>scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french
>scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french
>scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french
>scottish, ukranian, poles and even the french
>>478109
Why pols such crybabies
>>478154
>don't call me out on being a blatant retard it's embarrassing please go back to /pol/
it's actually sad
>>478172
>>478172
>>478175
>>478175
>>475099
They had already surrendered when the a bomb was finally ready to be used. It would've stirred up a bigger shit storm then Japan
>There are people on /his/ who unironically believe that the Americans would deploy the first atomic weapons on whites.
>>479117
Do you believe in Moderate Americans? Or are all of them retarded raving hicks?
>>479117
>They assimilate
>>479181
They actually do. I lost the article but like 90% of immigrants assimilate after 30 years in their host country if they're not made to feel unwelcome.
True heroes, OP, you should be proud
>>479208
That's because 90% of immigrants aren't Muslim. Especially in America where Muslim immigrants are a negligible minority.
>>479233
It's literally muslim immigrants in Europe.
90 percent of them assimilate after 30 years.
>In 1890
Orthodox Russians cannot assimilate
>In 1763
Papist Irish cannot Assimilate
>In 1956
Shinto Japs cannot assimilate
People always adopt the culture of the first settlers in a region. That's one of the iron laws of Anthropology
>>479249
How quickly do they assimilate if they make up 30% of the population in a decade and all live in ghettos with their own kind?
>>475449
heres your reply family
>>475109
Possibly the most disgusting map of Europe I ever laid eyes on
>>479279
People move out of the ghetto the first chance they get
Could you guys do this with a name and hometown? I'm rather curious myself.
>>479514
We couldn't, because this is a meme thread started by memer op
