If Nazi Germany won world war 2 and took over Europe , would the Nazi rule be eventually overthrown or dissolve?
>>469431
It would take a significant amount of changes in history to create a scenario where Nazi Germany would not only win World War II but control the entirety of Europe--even in the sphere of alternate history it'd be very hard to present a guess or prediction based on such a broad premise and to provide a viable path by which this would happen without risking it just becoming fanfiction.
>>469472
No it fucking wouldn't. You faggots are the worst.
If you don't have anything to say in an alt hist discussion don't say it at all.
Not everything is "Totally implausible and just speculation".
Here's a radical totally tubular idea for this thread. If Japan decided not to bomb PH and the U.S. doesn't enter the war.
There you go, Germany wins. It's not that insane to think.
Nah, all generations to come afterwards would have been indoctrinated from an early age and probably wouldn't question the validity of the Nazi regime.
Does this sound similar?
>>469540
No, you fucking asshat. Alt history is historical discussion too.
>>469512
US would have entered either way. US was already very involved long before PH and it was only a matter of time
>>469512
>Here's a radical totally tubular idea for this thread. If Japan decided not to bomb PH and the U.S. doesn't enter the war.
>There you go, Germany wins. It's not that insane to think.
No, it fucking doesn't. The US had been shuttling lend-lease aid to the UK and the Soviet Union long before Pearl Harbor and was already actively taking part in defending convoys. The first US warship lost in action against the Germans, the Reuben James, sank in October 1941. The african front would have continued, and Montgomery's arrival and the stockpiling of American equipment would have continued nevertheless and put Italy in a vulnerable situation with the loss of its colonial holdings in Tunisia and Ethiopia. THe war would have continued both in the east and the west, and even if its results had changed, odds are that the Germans would have lost even without American involvement.
And even American neutrality is not a fucking certainty. Gallup exit polls conducted in december 1940 already indicated that over 60% of Americans (both voters for Roosevelt and Wilkie in the 1940 election) would rather support England over staying out of the war. The US had both the public support and ample reason to support a war against Nazi Germany, and continued American participation in the iceland convoys would most likely have led to the loss of enough American lives to lead to a declaration of war in the first place, you colossal fucking idiot.
Just because you can discuss alternate history does not mean you can provide some poorly-researched bullshit and convince everyone to overturn establish fact just to make your pet bullshit theory come true.
>>469512
>U.S. doesn't enter the war means Germany wins
German forces would still get broken at Stalingrad and eaten alive by the Red Army as they march into Berlin. The enigma code would have still been broken, it's conceivable that D-day would still have happened, since the UK would have still been able to equip all of the European armies-in-exile, plus the non-Euro allies.
The big thing no US involvement would do is change Japanese postwar situation, which is imo more interesting than
>Would all my stormfag fantasies come true?
>>469512
Pearl Harbour was a false flag to convince the american public to go to war though.
>>469512
>Direct American Involvement is all that matters in the Western Front
>Germany would have won if not for those dastardly Americans
Don't know if Ameriboo or Naziboo.
>>469559
I wonder what Japan is doing in his bullshit theory. Is it just going to magically renounce militarism and return to Taisho democracy, withdrawing its resource-stretched soldiers from China, or is it going to try to invade the Dutch oil fields and piss off the United States anyway?
>>469512
> America not entering means the Germans would have won
Spoken like a true American stormfronter
>>469582
probably attacking the Soviets. how they'd do that with no resources i have no idea but hey this is fantasy so who gives a fuck right?
>>469590
I think in this situation, the Japanese don't attack the Soviets, because the Soviets already proposed a peaceful annexation by Germany in 1940.
>>469598
The Chinese and Dutch, naturally, also having accepted the superiority of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, voluntarily provided their manpower and resources for the Japanese cause, respectively.
Germany cannot win World War 2 past 1942. The only chance they have at "Winning" (I say this lightly) is if they fully prepare for winter and solve logistic problems before Barbarossa.
They can beat the Soviet Union if they simply stop once the rain season hits, defend till Spring, then continue and eventually force the capitulation. If they keep America out of the war by not attacking American ships in the Atlantic then they could keep America out of Europe. This means Britain is alone verse the full Axis strength in Europe, and they will sue for peace facing this. Germany would then enact General Plan Ost, etc etc things go as planned till Hitler dies. The power vaccum will be so large it WILL cause civil war, and if the Wehrmacht does not succede, Deutschland will fracture before 1980.
TLDR;
>Germany wins, but not really. Wont survive.
>>469512
That's like thinking that the assassination of Sisi and her Franz husband was truly the cause of the first world war.
>>469722
But Halting short of Moscow in late 1941 would have only given the Soviets more time to reassemble their factories and replace lost materiel, equipment and soldiers. Keep in mind that even in real history the Red Army was raising an average over six field armies per month up into december. Giving the Soviets the lull to build up those forces in the winter of 1941 would both end the German's forwards momentum and make it even more difficult to push forwards in the spring thaw than it would have been to push through to Moscow in December. There would be no capitulation.
>This means Britain is alone verse the full Axis strength in Europe, and they will sue for peace facing this.
Britain handled the North African front and the Mediterranean fine, halting the German/Italian force at El Alamein under Auchinleck before decisively defeating them at the second El Alamein, all before the American and Free French forces had arrived. Without Japan harassing Britain there would also be a constant stream of colonial forces being raised from India, Africa, and ANZAC. The French proved unwilling to hand their fleet to anyone (As proved at Mers el kebir and Toulon), and so the Germans would have no means of breaking through the naval blockade. Without success in the Soviet Union and without control of any naval shipping routes, it's likely the Germans would have been the ones suing for peace if anything.
These alternate history stuff should be a bannable offence. Go to /pol/ to discuss your fanwank fantasies
>>469774
rather, OPs of this kind of thing should provide some plausible set of events that could make their scenario reality instead of expecting everyone else to jump through hoops to accommodate their fanwanks.
>>469431
It took a million troops to occupy North France alone. 200,000 to control Denmark. They would have released Western Europe countries as soon as possible under Nazi approved governments with strict conditions. West Europe was an accidental gain the Nazis ended up with because France and Britian pushed themselves into a local war between the Germans and the Poles.
I have seen some rather neat maps and plans that involved splitting France up, including granting the Breton's autonomy. Breton's were pretty hardcore enthusiastic for the Nazis.
>>469559
>muh Stalingrad
When will this meme end. The Germans were bloodied by Stalingrad. Not broken.
they were broken at Kursk.
>>469559
If Hitler hadn't decided to attack Russia and honored the agreement he and Stalin had Stalin wouldn't have fucked with him and could've potentially won in Europe.
>>469804
You have to at least admit that Uranus was a pretty amusing operation.
>>469825
Oh, no doubt it was a great operation. But again, it was a bloody nose, not a wholesale slaughter of the Wehrmacht.
>>469815
nah war was inevitable. if Hitler didn't attack he would have just ended up facing a much stronger Soviet army a few years later
>>469431
I imagine it would be hard to have a sustainable state in the baking, irradiated cinder that they'd be holding onto in such an event. Dissolution seems extremely likely.
>>469431
All political entity would eventually dissolve, just a matter of how long. Nazi party would eventually transition into a more mellow and ordinary authoritarian rule with shared powers inside the party instead of one dictator. This way it would last quite long.
It would undergo the same degenerate currents Europe did in the 1960s and gradually wane away.
