Hello /his/. I'm going to dump a few pictures, mostly Japanese wood prints, related to the First Sino-Japanese War, which happened between 1894 and 1895 over the control of Korea. I find these wood prints very interesting because of the clash of the "traditional" art style and the modern war depicted.
Here's the wikipedia article, if you want to learn more about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
But first, a map of the action.
>>441482
Good thread, shitty timing.
>>441497
Well, /his/ is a slow moving board. Hopefully this thread won't get buried after I finish dumping and some people will see it.
One of my favorites.
Another one of my favorites.
>>441596
Shit, this one is from the Russo-Japanese War.
Damn, I didn't realise how bad my timing was. Hopefully there are a few lurkers.
>>441697
>>441682
Ah, looks like I saved the same twice.
And that's all I have on the first Sino-Japanese war. Hopefully some people will see this thread, I will check later.
I also have some of the same kind of prints from the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905, another war that I find quite interesting. Maybe I'll dump them too, but I will choose a better time than the middle of the night for Americans, and early morning for others.
>"a few"
>posts more than a hundred
>>441739
Thank you op
Do you have the woodcut with tsar nicholas dreaming in a bed whilst being horrified by a train?
I dont know how else to describe it.
>>441542
>the straw is damp
>tent is cold
>my feet is hurt
>I wish I'm home playing with little Shotaro
>>441767
Are you thinking of this one ? It's one of my favorites
>>441767
>>441773
Just found a larger version. Too large to be uploaded here, though.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8192/8134835258_a52e1a8d48_o.jpg
Imperial War is so triumphant, right up until it isn't.
>>441482
This is the fist time I've been on /his/ - I'll be coming back.
Where are all these from?
>>441528
That explosion looks like a huge smiley face
>>441593
Is he saving that kid? What's exactly happening on that pic?
>>441965
>One of the most celebrated Japanese heroes of the Sino-Japanese War was Captain Higuchi, who reportedly rescued a Chinese infant in a crucial battle near Weihaiwei. As the story was told, Captain Higuchi heard the abandoned child crying on the battlefield, scooped him up in his left arm, and led his forces to victory flourishing his sword with his right arm. After the battle, Higuchi returned the child to his parents.
>Captain Higuchi became a symbol of the bravery and benevolence of the Japanese forces and, as seen here, was celebrated in a number of woodblock prints (often with enemy bullets streaking around him). At a deeper symbolic level, he exemplified the whole notion of a righteous war against China. The implication was that the child had been left in peril by its own irresponsible parents and caretakers. Thus, even as they were depicted overthrowing the Chinese, the propaganda message of such prints to Japanese viewers was that their fighting men not only were strong and resolute, but also were protecting and preserving China’s future.
>The “benevolent conqueror” is a familiar conceit in war propaganda in general.
>>441772
kek
It's interesting how Western the Japanese appear in the paintings. Half the time they don't even look vaguely Asian.
Just like I'm my anime. But seriously, good thread.
>>441725
The perspective in this picture is really weird. It's like the artist understands the technique well enough, but completely lacks knowledge of how it actually works. Like, you can't just have vanishing points on different horizons. Not like this at least.
The meiji restoration must have been a great time to be alive, imagine being born a peasant taught to read and write by some old monk then suddenly within the space of a decade receiving all the opportunities of the industrial revolution. Imagine putting yourself out on a limb, becoming a sailor or a low level clerk and eventually starting your own business with some bros you met along the way, carving out a little piece of the pie, marrying a qt traditional Japanese waifu and ensuring your children wouldn't have to go through the same poverty you did, teaching them the values you learned. All the while experiencing new things like trains, chocolate, electricity, lots of little toys and gifts you can share with those you love.
>>443073
and then your grandkids are drafted for the second world war
>>441499
Requesting a Wojack/Pepe edit of this one
>>441584
that's a really cool way to paint a night battle
>>441973
say no more senpai
This one is probably my favorite.
>>443073
They got so cocky from that, they invented the ero guro art movement which lead to rampant nihilism and hedonism, that lead to a fuck load of warcrimes during the second Sino-Japanese war.
>>444107
Here's another one
>>441853
>>444017
I found most of these on these two sites:
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/throwing_off_asia_02/toa_essay02.html
http://www.myjapanesehanga.com/home/articles/war-prints-senso-e-/sino-japanese-war-1894---1895-
>>441973
Sure ! I'll post a few. Someone else already posted two great ones.
>>442919
Yeah, I noticed that too. And the Chinese and Koreans look very stereotypically "Asian". I guess they really embraced the whole "Leaving Asia" ideology, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsu-A_Ron
>>443073
It's a period I find fascinating. I recommend reading "I Am a Cat" by Natsume Soseki, written just after the Russo-Japanese War. It's a great satire, mocking how the average Japanese person dealt with westernisation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Cat
>>441484
Japanese movements in Taiwan came after the first Sino-Japanese war
>>444303
Oh, absolutely. The population of Taiwan revolted against the Japanese when they arrived to occupy it.
Here, if anyone wants to read more about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Taiwan_(1895)
>>441509
>you will never be a drunk Jap sailor during the glory days of the Japanese Empire
jdimsa tbhfam
I guess now's a good time to post a map of the war, and here is more if you want to read more about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
>>444358
Have you seen the movie Port Arthur? I don't know anyone else that has seen this and I'm interested in its interpretation of the war.
>>444377
Nope. Is this this one ?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080316/
The trailer looks great, I will check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCuPeeMoSNI
>>444398
Yeah, that's one. Super sentimental and melodramatic and I love it to bits. It has this duality of both condemning the war and glorifying intense Japanese pride.
>>441521
is this when the chinese official gets shot in the face by the ex samurai for requesting the indemnity be lowered?
These are great, though I had a lot of these saved under the Russo-Japanese war. I'll bump with a Japanese depiction of the American-Spanish naval battle near Manilla.
And that's all the prints I have about the Russo Japanese war. Hope you enjoyed it.
As a bonus, here's a French depiction of the Japanese Army at the time.
>>444534
Thank you kindly, OP, great stuff.
>>441482
This one is a masterpiece, the dynamic poses, the perspective the colors and lines...10/10
It's like manga only better
Great thread
Thank you for these pictures
>>445040
If Japan hadn't gone full retard in China, Chinese would probably see the Russo-Japanese or Sino-Japanese war as a good thing. We don't really see it nowadays, but Asians were scared shitless of European imperialism. Before Japan went rabid in trying to achieve an equal status with Europe, they were very sympathetic to other Asian countries suffering under colonialism or imperialism.
Japan defeating Russia was a signal that the Europeans could be beaten at their own game, but it also led Japan down the dark path of militarization.
>>443073
the whole western world went through the same thing.
>>445284
Yeah, before Japan lost it's mind in the 1930s, they were seen as heroes and liberators by most other Asians. After the Russo-Japanese War, some Turkish women literally gave their children Japanese names
>>445419
>After the Russo-Japanese War, some Turkish women literally gave their children Japanese names
TURKISH C U C K S
>>445040
Nice fucking try, Steve Watanabe.
>>441542
I love this
>all these gaijin sabers instead of glorious Nippon katanas
>>445918
>they're using them like katana anyway
Like that one dude gripping it with two hands kek
Can you put all of these into an archive?
>>441494
>no winter gear
>>441504
>Even the fucking horse is cheering
My sides.
>>441509
>This cannon is too loud
>My moustache is wet
>I wish I was back home playing Monster Cards
"Gonna dump a few pictures"
-OP
>>441521
This is probably my favorite out of the entire set.
>>441521
Here comes the modern world bitches
Which nations are the Europeans depicted in these works from?
>>441530
One thing I find fascinating about these is how pathetic the Chinese are made to look, and how vicious in slaughter the Japanese portray themselves.
Imagine if we did this today.
>>441521
bearded guy in the uniform on the far right looks likes hes aiming to enter that bent over guys anus.
>>446399
Russians, mostly.
Though I think the naval advisors in that pic of the surrendering Chinese officers are British and Prussian
>>441482
Epic stuff, thos woodprints are awesome. thanks for taking the time to post. I do hope its still on tonight so i can save some more. thanks for the effort op.
Boy, the Japanese sure love stepping on bodies.
>>441521
This actually never happened. The admiral who lost at Weihaiwei committed suicide and so did members of his staff.
People tend to not know that Chinese and Japanese share the same martial ideals. Death before dishonor and all that.
>>444398
Is that Mifune? Shit i gotta watch that later on.
>>445918
The Modern Japanese Military ca 1870-1920 pretty much thought that European sabers are "Modern Swords" and promptly ditched their katanas for them.
The ""Katana"" style came back in the 30's due to Nationalist Japanese Butthurt that was rife during the Militarist Era. Unlike real katana however these things were factory made and mass produced.
>>441739
Lurker taking my time to thank you
thankyou.
>>441984
Meiji men were a completely different kind of soldiers, it was after the west betrayed them after ww1 that they became the savage rapist the chinks meet at ww2.
>>446964
>The ""Katana"" style came back in the 30's due to Nationalist Japanese Butthurt that was rife during the Militarist Era
I love it when memes become reality.
Thanks so much for sharing these
>>448076
>>446964
Theoretically it was because of the sabers poor performance, though If you read the Japanese manuals at the time, they used the saber like a one handed katana. anyway. some officers even mounted katana blades in saber fittings, I can only imagine this would make for a poorly balanced sword.
In any case those mass produced swords were not used by everyone, many people brought family swords, and there were dedicated martial artists who brought good practical blades with them.
The army even developed a battojutsu curriculum for officers based on classical swordsmanship. a version of it is still practiced today under names such as toyama ryu and Nakamura ryu.
Better than 95% of the BS that regularly gets posted here, even generated a fair bit of quality discussion. You're doing God's work, OP.
>>448417
Are there any sources on the usage of the military katanas in WWII? In American movies, we always have this image of Japanese troops banzai charging with swords drawn, but is this true to reality? Or were they just used to behead captured Allied POWs and shit?
>>441482
>b-but sensei that's not a way to fight with a saber
>>448566
Believe it or not some Japanese even got into sword fights with locals in the Philippines. the Japanese went into WWII thinking there would be alot of close in fighting where a sword would have an advantage over a bayonet. of course this was nonsense. The swords were mostly useless decorations, with few opportunities to use them to any practical effect.
Less this causes you to judge the japanese as stupid, there were American officers before the war who thought Calvary could make a big comeback, they reasoned that when the enemy saw cold steel coming at them it would have a huge effect on their morale.
There are some books with various marital arts experts taking about their experiences during the war
>>445040
The Taiping rebellion was in full swing when Commodore Perry sailed into Tokyo bay. Not only were parts of China in turmoil but the Qing Dynasty was isolationist and highly repressive in an effort to preserve stability, desirable areas like the north China plain were largely cut off from the rest of the world.
Japan, though also resistant to change, had better security and fewer problems as a densely populated island. So it began to industrialize earlier. The Kanto plain had enough capacity to process the resources of East Asia, so, once they had this initial advantage, other regions couldn't compete at the lucrative end of the production chain. Until after ww2 of course.
>>441593
Who would win if Captain Higuchi fought Jackie Chan
>Both are holding babies
>Rising Sun is cresting over the horizon
>There's a ladder resting against a gnarled tree nearby
>It's a bitter snowstorm
>Jackie Chan doesn't want any trouble
>>441508
Damn, that is a mean looking horse
>>448064
>Join WWI on Entente side
>Grab undefended German colonies in South Pacific
>Contribute absolutely nothing to the largest war in human history to that point
>get butthurt when they don't receive any of the spoils
>>445439
Don't need to be so upset, Xian Ping
>>448417
>Theoretically it was because of the sabers poor performance, though If you read the Japanese manuals at the time, they used the saber like a one handed katana. anyway. some officers even mounted katana blades in saber fittings, I can only imagine this would make for a poorly balanced sword.
Japanese officers had to pay for their own weapons. That is one reason why lots of Japanse officers used random assortment of pistols in WWII, recommended Nambu wasn't cheap gun, I mean pre-WWII ones that were well made, cost a lot for fresh lieutenant. Generation or two earlier cheaper way to get required saber than buying new one was just replacing hilt of existing katana with sabre hilt. There is bunch of Japanese naval sabres from late 1800's in local museum, one of conservators disassembled couple of those. First one had katana blade from early 1800's and other had blade from late 1600's.
>>449891
>Contribute absolutely nothing to the largest war in human history to that point
Japan had major naval presence in Mediterranean in WWI escorting entente shipping.
>>445040
The Qing did have the Tongzhi Restoration and Self-strengthening movement during and after the Taiping Rebellion, because they almost got rekt by them. However, the problem with the movement was that it only focus on the military modernization, which damaged the economy. To not forget their leaders were absolutely useless in this new kind of warfare. The Qing had the most powerful modern navy in the 19th century up to the Sino-Japanese war. Turns out that a mighty fleet just turn into a chunk of metal if your sailors do not have the required training and your leadership has no idea what they are doing. Corruption also played a larger role.
Imagine if the Taiping rebellion had actually succeed. Though if it had, every imperial power would probably gang up on China just like during the boxer rebellion.
>Yeah, before Japan lost it's mind in the 1930s, they were seen as heroes and liberators by most other Asians.
Except the Qing.
During the French-Sino war, Qing was forced to make peace with France, because Japan threatened join the war against the Qing.
>>450102
I feel bad for Viceroy Li and Admiral Ding
>Realise the faster Japanese fleet has the advantage in open waters and suggest drawing them towards the coast where they can't manoeuvre well and our coastal forts can shoot them
>Notice most of the ammo is worthless and insist on avoiding fights until more can be acquired and the gunners can train
>Emperor calls you a coward and insists on sending the fleet after the Japanese
>You get blamed when the Japanese run rings around your fleet and its gunnery is ineffective
>See the Japanese try to surround and enfilade your fleet
>Order manoeuvres to turn and face them in an effective battle line as the flagship holds the left flank
>Captain refuses to obey orders or send them on to the fleet and starts firing your limited supply of ammunition far out of effective range
>When the Japanese do get in range, be trapped and badly wounded when a shell hits the bridge
>Get blamed for the defeat
>>449891
They got quite a lot. I mean, a Chinese treaty port and a good chunk of the Pacific is not nothing. Especially since they lost like between 300 and 5000 men in the entire war. I think what the other anon means by "betrayed" is that they refused the Racial Equality Proposal during the Paris Peace Conference. Here's the proposal:
"The equality of nations being a basic principle of the League of Nations, the High Contracting Parties agree to accord as soon as possible to all alien nationals of states, members of the League, equal and just treatment in every respect making no distinction, either in law or in fact, on account of their race or nationality."
For the Japanese it probably just meant that they would be recognised as equals. So I can understand why they would be butthurt that it's refused. And the worst thing is that it wasn't even really "refused", it's just that the Americans and the British (well, mostly the Australians) were completly opposed to it. There was a vote, and the majority voted yes (11 delegates out of 17, with the others refusing to vote), but Wilson overturned it.
Of course the Japanese media reported widely on this and the Japanese started to fucking hate the Americans, especially since there had already been diplomatic incidents, often over how Japanese immigrants were treated in the United States (for example their children being forbidden to go to public schools). Pic related, this French comic from 1906.
>>451819
>Hey, what do people call America's personification?
>Uncle...shit, I can't remember. Some Anglo name.
>Like Jonathon?
>Yeah, that sounds right. Write down Uncle Jonathon
>>441494
YUKI NO SHINGUN, KOORI WO FUNDE
>>446584
>aim for the ass
>>451819
>>451845
I tried transalting the article attached to the comic, but it's slightly too long to fit in one post
"The great quarrel of the little Jap and Uncle Jonathan
We know the starting point of the incident that divides the Japanese and the Americans, in particular the citizens of the state of California.
The Americans, very proud, as we know, of their racial prejudice, intend to treat the Japanese as barbarians excluded from western civilisation; in San Francisco they have forbidden the children of the Japanese, numerous in that city, to enter public schools.
Japan protest against this exclusion. But the Californian authorities intend to maintain it, and the central power does not have the right to intervene.
Here is the fact that started the quarrel, but we can say that the true problems are mostly economic. Yellows, Chinese and Japanese, have invaded the cities of the Pacific Coast. They are admirable workers, sober, eager to work and who are happy with low pay. And so they create a considerable prejudice for the yankee worker. Add to this the racial prejudice so powerful in the citizens of the United States, and you will understand the mindset of the Californians."
>>451819
>>451845
"The incident is not benign, but there is no need to fear, for now, that peace between Japan and the United States is in danger.
Furthermore, the government in Washington does not hide that it finds the susceptibility of the citizens of the California to be exagerrated; and, in his message, Roosevelt gave, with the honesty of a true statesman, his opinion absolutely favorable to the Nipponese.
«We have to remember, he says, our duties towards the foreigners in our country. It is certainly the sign of a civilisation less advanced to offend, in any way, the stranger who entered legally in the United States and who respect his laws...»
And, reminding the admirable progress of Japan, the humanity of their soldiers, the worth of their men of war, president Roosevelt added:
«In all of Japan, Americans are treated well, and, every time Americans do the mistake of not treating the Japanese with the same courtesy and the same consideration, they admit the inferiority of their civilisation.»"
Roosevelt confirmed for being a weeaboo.
