What about the Quran is miraculous? Is there anything in its contents that is truly outside human capability to have produced?
>>441472
The book is keeping patriarchy and wifes freedom under chains and kicks and this is a major miracle.
>>441472
It's prosaic poetry. Like I know that's like saying its Dry water but it actually is.
>>441472
nothing
the quran is full of poetic and linguistic flaws, you'd have to be a mental gymnast to explain why those flaws aren't flaws at all.
>>441472
It was written during the time that mohammed was alive instead of after his death
It's unaltered and unedited, and the pinnacle of Arabic literature.
If you pick up a genuine Arabic copy, the text is first edition every time.
>>441873
it was compiled after he was dead though. All but one version of the quran was burnt throughout arabia during the uthmanic calpihate. And there is evidence to suggest that the quran we have today isn't exactly the same as they had back in muhammads time.
>>441877
>It's unaltered and unedited
>he doesn't know about the sana'a manuscript
>If you pick up a genuine Arabic copy, the text is first edition every time.
>what is Hafs and Warsh
>the pinnacle of Arabic literature.
>a shitty 7th century book
>>441885
>thinks that there weren't plenty of false prophets around after the death of Muhammad
>thinks that the countless hafizi wouldn't notice any change in meaning of a compiled Quran
>thinking hafs and warsh negates my statement
>some mad secular arab kid thinks this is the case
Go drink your whiskey, lad.
>>443253
Consider the fact that once a verse was uttered by Muhammad, he could never retract it. If he was a poet as many in his time (and now) say, then he must have been superhumanly intelligent.
There are apparent patterns in the arrangement of surahs/verses, which he supervised shortly before his death.
An example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Z25CLXE1w
>>441472
>What about the Quran is miraculous?
People are able not to find it childish
>Is there anything in its contents that is truly outside human capability to have produced?
Absolutely not. People have utterly debunked that to death.
>>441472
The fact that billions of people believe in it despite not proving itself to be miraculous in any way shape or form. That's the true miracle. Muslims are even required to follow their "Holy Prophet's" moral example. A man who was: a pedophile, a enslaver, a warlord, a rapist, a sexist, adulterer and a racist. At least some other religions, such as Buddhism or Christianity, have a religious leader to look up to who lived up to not only their own standards and their followers, but to what modern society finds tolerable. Muslims don't even have that. There's a reason why Muslims have this pointless rule that Mecca does not allow the presence of Jews, Christians, Pagans, and Secularists: Muhammad commanded that their mere existence within the Holy Land is seen as blasphemous. That's how lowly he, and, by extension, his followers, sees non-Muslims.
>>443479
It's almost like threatening people's lives tends to be convincing or something
>>443321
That's not superhuman m8
None of what youre saying proves that it was literally impossible for the Quran to come into existence w/o a miracle
>he couldn't retract it
Wasn't that the exact thing he did when Satan controlled him for that brief period and made him day a few false things?
>christfags making arguments against mudslimes that are commonly seen against christianity that they dismiss
>>443965
OP here, not a christfag
I'm just curious what their proofs are considering its what the entire religion banks on
>>441862
>linguistic flaws
explain
>>443970
Wasn't talking about OP specifically. Was more directed at the replies.
Fun fact. During the "Islamic Golden Age" these were the types of thinkers it was producing. Philosophy and science was eventually shut down by a conservative priests that felt threatened that naturalism and Aristotle were being used to explain things the Koran used to.
>>441651
The narrative is Allah, you know that right?
>>441862
You can't even read Kur'an
>>443321
You don't think it's maybe a bit more likely that it wasn't actually a first draft, and Mohammed just said it was to make it sound cooler?
>>443979
>explain
he can't even tell whats wrong with his title: مخنث بن شراميط
>>444027
where can I read up on these based sandpeople
there some part I find very intersting
a black stone, which has the does not heat in fire and floats on water
and a treasure which supposedly resides under the kaaba
anyone has infos on this?
>>444764
he's not sand people, he's an atheist persian poser, his cousin abu hatim alrazi wrote a book to refute all of that atheist dude's philosophy, it is worth mentioning that mihimmid alrazi is an ismili, which are shia.
>>444787
what the fuck are you talking about ?
>>444787
pumice?
>>444869
it has a variety of colors
