How come we never hear or read about the Sioux genociding the Kiowa, Omaha, Otoe, Ponca and Pawnee peoples?
>>440765
Because those of us who know don't play moral equivalence games, and those of us who don't are moralistic cretins.
>>>/pol/andstaythere
Doesn't fit in with this libshit narrative of White people being the bad guys
Don't be silly, all native Americans were vegetarian pacifists that worshipped nature and had four genders.
>>440793
You retarded fuck, this is about history, and you should worry if pieces are being lost forever.
>>440765
It does not fit the narrative. It's why you rarely, if ever, see newspapers and big media publish articles about black-on-white hatecrime - it's not in their interest to portray the world in that fashion.
>>441063
>How come we never hear or read about the Sioux genociding the Kiowa, Omaha, Otoe, Ponca and Pawnee peoples?
Probably because you don't read specialist monographs. Nothing here has been "lost," you just read shitty textbooks for children.
>>440765
most recent popular histories (empire of the summer moon, the heart of everything) spent quite a lot of the length describing the wars between various tribes...
>>441074
Things like this shouldn't have to be "special". The Beaver Wars might have been the most proportionally destructive war in North American history, but since it's not PC, it's forgotten.
>>441105
>I really want you to go to /pol/
/pol/ can be really fucking annoying, especially on /k/, but I think it's a legitimate argument.
That said, I think it's a wrong argument. The Wars of Native Americans and the like are not known because people simply aren't interested in what could be considered irrelevant history. It's forgotten because people thought it wasn't worth teaching the average joe about and outside of the political field in regards to Natives, they're probably right.
>>441091
most folks I know how have even an amateur interest in the Indian Wars are aware of stuff like that....
>>441105
This has nothing to do with /pol/. Fuck that place. This is about history.
>>441114
Yeah, it isn't the subject matter that's important here. It is that your concern is with a pedagogy and national commemoration that includes certain things for political reasons. You could want the moon landing removed, or more emphasis on man-on-man sexuality and intimacy in the history of 19th century presidents.
Normally historians back the fuck out of "national commemoration" or secondary curriculums, because the state doesn't listen to our professional opinion. The last time, in my area, was when the state directly attacked the historical profession, using a fascist as a cat's paw, to try to attack the academic narrative of the invasion and subsequent wars between the British and the indigenous people.
Historians as a profession banded together and told the government to fuck right off: that the academic discourses of historiography are determined by professionals, not whether the state prefers a shiny happy history.
Then again, that government was busy attacking the High Court of the day to the point of causing a constitutional crisis. Go figure.
>>441122
>This has nothing to do with /pol/. Fuck that place. This is about history.
Determining national secondary curriculum and forcing the media to tell different lies to children instead of another preferred set of lies to children sounds EXACTLY like politics.
>>441130
Or it's about historical perception
>>441137
Suggesting that popular discourse dictates the historical, rather than the disciplinary production of narratives within historiography is pretty controversial in the discipline.
Do you really want a metahistoriographical conversation about discourses and discourse theory?
Because it wasn't genocide, you fucktard. It was just tribal infighting.
You sound like my kike professor who claims the Roman suppression of the Jewish Revolt was genocide.
Fuck off back to /pol/.
>>441160
If driving the Indians off their land was "genocide", why would they have let them live on reservations?
Isn't the point of "genocide" to remove a people entirely, or attempt to? Doesn't seem like there was a concerted or rapid effort to, just graduating degrees of movement across the American landscape and resultant efforts to fight Indians away.
>>441169
Last time I checked genocide included the physical destruction of the people, the significant attempt, or the destruction of their culture or way of life.
"Genocide" is a shitty theoretical term, produced for political cold war reasons, and without a real basis in the social relations of capitalism or pre-capitalism.
>>441169
It was genocide what the Americans did to the natives in the 19th century. Their was a government policy to do so.
It wasn’t genocide what the Brits and French did to them.
It wasn’t genocide at first what the Spanish and Portuguese did to them. And even then, it was usually isolated incidents.
If you want to read about a REAL GENOCIDE by natives against natives read about the Guatemalan Civil War.
I know you subscribe to a dumb mentality that seeks to BTFO libcucks, but you inadvertently hurt your own side by trying too hard and come off as just as ignorant as them.
>>441182
I'm more inclined to think that "genocide" is just a dubious, flimsy term that doesn't have any concrete definition and can be used to further any political agenda with regards to war
>>441182
>If you want to read about a REAL GENOCIDE by natives against natives read about the Guatemalan Civil War.
So tribes wiping out entire other tribes when migrating to new lands because of other tribes blowing them the fuck out isnt genocide?
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short stroy. up in Canada a tribe known as the Sioux decided they were going to be the main tribe up there and started subjugating all the other tribes and completely rekting them, one of these tribes lets call them the Chippewa.
one day these white devils appear and say they would like some fur pelts and want to trade. Hey the Chippewa have some of these things those white devils want and what do the white devils have that the Chippewa could possible want? oh, just some advanced weaponry, a supply chain and logistics.
well shit looks like the shoe is on the other foot for the Sioux now and they have to GTFO of the region ASAP. Sioux forced down into the Dakota region and rename themselves the Lakota because hey shits in the past yo no need to dwell on that.
And the circle of life for the 'noble savage' continues in a new area.
>>441438
>Sioux rename themselves Lakota
Shitposting goes on /b/
