Most highly developed countries go irreligious, the majority of the population is not interested in Religion anymore. The notable exception is the United states. How comes?
>>438272
how is merica developed
>>438272
>Most highly developed countries go irreligious, the majority of the population is not interested in Religion anymore. The notable exception is the United states. How comes?
Because the US is a nation of immigrants and every year they accept millions of religious immigrants with high birthrates (Arabs, Mexicans, Black Africans)
>>438272
Why isn't most of the Middle East dark blue?
Despite what modern apologists will tell you, science and religion are not very compatible. They are philosophical competition with each other, both attempting to explain the world while contradicting each other on a axiomatic level.
Most developed countries are scientifically minded, even if unconsciously so.
>>438300
>Why isn't most of the Middle East dark blue?
Because no data, meaning Gallup made no poll there. but yes, most of middle east and Africa is dark blue.
>fun fact, Israel is less religious than the US
>>438308
Couldn't it just be that that people in modern societies are not interested in Religion anymore? Most don't go to church because the whole concept doesn't make much sense to them. They might even like the rituals and such, but the whole God concept doesn't really work anymore?
>>438272
>The notable exception is the United states. How comes?
Because the Founders of American understood that religion could have a positive effect on social cohesion.
Which is why you are a secular state, so religion would be a completely voluntary association.
Also, read Alexis De Tocqueville's Democracy in America for an even more in-depth explanation on religion there.
>>438272
Partially a reaction against communism, which is godless.
>>438272
America is "highly developed" and is soon to be the most anti-religious place and atheism is essentially a social norm and people have no traditional religious values, and those who are religious take their doctrines to extremes rather than with understanding. Plus new age is infiltrating and is going to become a norm that will eventually combine magic and science and go too far and this is part of revelation. The beasts have to do with atheism and luciferianism.
Technology in no way means developed when it disregards higher spiritual truths or pushes scientific and magic too far.
>>438356
>technology isn't developed when it ignores spiritual truths
Where is the evidence you are basing these truths upon?
Most of the religious people are concentrated in the bible belt.
This is also the part of our country that are the least educated and the highest population of blacks who were like 95% religious. It's also near the boarder where all the Catholic 3rd world Mexicans boarder hop.
If you were to remove the bible belt America would just as irreligious as the rest of the developed world.
>>438308
Depends on the religion. Some of them, if evidence contradicts their beliefs, say that their interpretation of scripture must be incorrect.
>>438356
>luciferianism.
Are you one of those crazys that think every organization in the world secretly worships Satan and has nothing better to do with their time than make people stop believing in Jesus?
>>438272
I'm surprised that the majority of people in Norway claim to be religious.
>>438334
This nigga gets it.
No matter what atheists claim, humans are incapable of not worshipping something.
i.e. if one creates a vacuum, then something other than God will take that place whether it be money, material goods, power, the ego, the state, etc.
>>438364
Common sense and analysis of religious texts but you don't need to believe anything right welcome to an image board where people make claims yadda yadda yadda
>>438410
No and yes. I mean, satanism and luciferianism and masonry more socially acceptable now and this is a sign that the times are short, so the "devil" is running rampant.
If you are into these new age philosophy you'll let "spirit guides" embody you pretty much signing yourself up for possession
"As is was in the days of Noah " when the earth is flooded to demons embodying humans
>>438364
The Holy Bible.
>>438272
Aggressive western communist NGOs
>>438435
Well, demons/devils are a metaphor for sociopaths/psychopaths, not necessarily supernatural beings.
They're not literal creatures like attached.
>>438453
Worship doesn't need to be active rituals, it can be passive or unconscious.
Most "New Atheists" have taken "logic" (their flawed egos) as an idol, whereas Deists have used proper logic to prove God to themselves and others.
>>438469
Most irreligious people don't see themselves as atheists. The don't have a goal or something, organized religion, especially the Christian ones, just don't make a whole lot of sense to them anymore. Also the social community that the church once offered has been replaced by other networks. So people don't go to church anymore, they don't follow a religion anymore and they just don't care.
And according to trend lines, this process is accelerating in pretty much every country that is highly developed according to the Human Development Index.
>>438281
>Black Africans
>in the millions
Their numbers are quite small.
>>438503
Look up American Nigerians, Ghanians, Somalis etc.
t. someone who lives in a neighbourhood full of immigrants
>>438403
>This is also the part of our country that are the least educated and the highest population of blacks who were like 95% religious
>tfw part of the 5% of black people who aren't religious
>tfw minority of a minority
>>438450
Not always a metaphor. People summon these forces intentionally to do their "bidding" at a price. Also when one acts in ignorance and rage they also have a minor "possesion"
>>438434
Okay?
>>438272
I know you should't take assumptions over statistics, but would't the entirety of the Middle East be dark blue? Despite things like Sharia law and all the religous leaders, Some countries are highly developed and rich.
>>438403
>If you were to remove the bible belt America would just as irreligious as the rest of the developed world.
That's wrong though.
>>438272
Isn't the notable exception here Italy?
>>438308
>modern apologists
>implying Galileo didn't create the best argument that BTFO an armchair philosopher such as yourself
I'll take bullshit spew from anon for 200, Alex.
>>438506
>American Nigerians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Americans#Education
Holy shit they're blowing us out of the water.
>>438563
This is simply brain drain, the most intelligent and best educated emigrate to better countries while the poor and stupid don't.
You are seeing the top 0.0001% of their people.
>>438593
>Finally, Nigerian culture has long emphasized education, placing value on pursuing education as a means to financial success and personal fulfillment.
>>438608
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital_flight
>>438608
So they're the Chinese/Japanese/Indians/Koreans of Africa?
>inb4 Nigerian/Chinese kid with overbearing parents
>>438623
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>>438611
I don't understand. Nigerian culture promotes being intelligent. I'm not saying they're as smart or successful as other countries, but to say that most of the population is stupid or poor is being dishonest.
>>438623
>>438623
It's already happening, and we can't stop it. I saw a Nigerian guy with a Korean cutie the other day.
>Religious people fail to understand why the majority have given up on religion
>They believe it has something to do with Satanism or Communism
>mfw
>>438623
When did you ever hear of a Congolese Email Scam?
>>438644
There was also the nigger who shot a bunch of people because 50 asians turned him down
>>438272
The more people have it good the less they need religion as something to believe in and guide them through life.
>>438763
>The more people have it good the less they need religion as something to believe in and guide them through life.
This is the simple truth, but it is mighty hard to accept that for certain people.
What Nigerians think of people who do NOT believe in God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pd9LUonN6o
American pastor asks swedes if they believe in God: https://youtu.be/W-kANR1vJkM?t=710
>>438272
Americas white population is going irreligious, it's mostly the large black and hispanic communities fucking with the averages again.
>>438757
Source?
>implying gook women can refuse the BBC
>>438623
>>438644
The great convergence is already happening.
Let me summarize the answers in this thread, the demise of Religion in the West is caused by Communism and Satanism. It is the Negros fault that the US still has a religious majority. Rassenschande is wrong, except it involves Asians and Africans.
Thanks /his/, you are getting more /pol/ every day.
>>438593
Just like the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese and Jews you see represent the top 0.0001% of their people?
These articles do much to summarize the facts and take into account immigrant selection:
http://www.unz.com/author/chanda-chisala/
>>438506
African immigrants are quite small in number compared to Latin American/Caribbean and east Asian immigrants in the US, however.
http://cis.org/2012-profile-of-americas-foreign-born-population
>>438272
In reality people went full heretic around the world.
In countries that have higher atheistic population altough people say "there is no god" they also believe in a "spiritual force, power etc"
While in countries like mine ( Romania ) 95%+ say God is real and not even 1% believe in a spiritual power, energy etc.
>>438272
The United States grew out of a population of highly religious pilgrims.
>>438272
>shitaly
>>438272
Most of america is still second world, parts 3rd world.
Yet with some of the most developed and rich areas at the same time.
>>439051
>2nd Wold
>USA
>>438837
"The academic performance of the African students in the UK is even more remarkable when the well-known fact of higher black involvement in sport and athletics (at any level) is taken into account. Whereas Chinese and Indian students are not exactly expected to lead their schools or colleges to winning athletic championships, many black students are actively involved in athletics even when they have a strong academic focus. For example, a check on the Cambridge web site reveals that Chidera Ota, the UK’s best GCSE student in her cohort, was also the fastest runner in the girls 100 and 200 meters team for Cambridge (she qualified to Cambridge’s premed program after subsequently achieving straight A’s on her A-levels). It is quite plausible that the higher athletic commitments of black African students probably hinders them from achieving even further than they do in academics; it is especially difficult to develop a deep mastery of a specific academic field since this requires much more intensive focus and time commitments.
African immigrants in the US (on average) are also highly involved in athletics, like other black students, while also being expected to perform exceptionally well in academics by their parents. A story in the SFGATE in 2009 confirms this typical double commitment of African immigrants. A Ghanaian American Owusu family had five star athletes at elite American universities who also just happened to be star students because if they ever got anything less than an A, “I will take them out of sports,” threatened their father, Francis Owusu. Owusu had migrated to America on an athletics scholarship from Ghana. His sons combined star athleticism and academic performance in such elite institutions as Stanford and Harvard (with a daughter at Colombia University)"
>>439079
Oxford and Cambridge do not feel too pressured to take up as many black students as would be predicted by their impressive performance on the GCSEs. When pressed about this issue, the spokeswoman for Oxford admitted that there were many more blacks that academically qualify to enter their university each year than are accepted (the minimum qualification is three A’s or better on A-levels).
She explained that one of the main reasons they do not accept as many blacks as would be expected is simply that they tend to apply to oversubscribed subjects (specifically, economics and management, medicine, and maths). Although this is a plausible explanation, it also highlights the difference between black American student performance (in the US) and black African performance (in the UK): can anyone imagine a similar situation happening in the US? What is the likelihood of the top universities in America turning down many black Americans who have scored among the very top high school students in the US, and then having, say, the Harvard University spokesman coming out to explain why they could only take a small portion of blacks with top SAT scores? (The reason itself is unimaginable in the US: too many blacks want to do maths!)
>>439087
Not sure whether this is what you meant, but the idea that Oxford and Cambridge must take all black students who get A*A*A or whatever the standard offer is these days is ridiculous. We don't have that sort of affirmative action in the UK.
>>438281
Not only is America not particularly diverse (less diverse than Germany, actually) but the ethnicities you mentioned are a tiny minority of US population.
The US is overwhelmingly composed of white people, who are overwhelmingly religious. That's it.
>>438308
>science and religion are not very compatible
>>439373
>Mexicans
>tiny minority
What the ever loving fuck am I reading
>>438403
>Most of the religious people are concentrated in the bible belt.
What are Mexican Catholics in the Southwest and West
>>438724
>both religious and atheists lack the mental capacities to interpret the poetic language of religious texts in which describe human nature
>mfw when they ruin humanity when they decide to leave philosophy and fitness behind
It's not a development thing, it's a cultural one.
Communism encouraged atheism, and they were not very advanced compared to the west.
It's more to say that hardship encourages faith, not that a lack of hardship encourages irreligiousness. It only opens the gate for it.
>>439051
>Most of america is still second world, parts 3rd world.
What in the everloving fuck are you talking about?
>>438469
It's pretty insufferable and presumptuous of you to asse that about atheists m8
>>439477
* assume
>>438308
>>>/reddit/
>>438272
That's bullshit though. China would be the most developed country on earth if it was.
>>439530
>That's bullshit though. China would be the most developed country on earth if it was.
>amerifats trying to get into statistics
>>439547
>Make a retarded claim
>Point out said claim is bullshit
>MUH AMERIFATS, MUH STATISTICAL ANOMALIES
>>439530
You've got the claim backwards. It's not "if it's irreligious, it must be highly developed". It's "if it's highly developed it will tend towards irreligion."
>>439593
Dear Idiot friend, the statistic says that highly developed countries turn irreligous, it does not say that you magically become developed just because you go atheist. No go think about your logical fallacies.
>>439616
That's an interesting graph, what is it measuring exactly?
>>439621
The Human Development Index basically measures a combination of income, life expectancy and schooling level for countries. The higher you score the more developed you are.
It is plotted against the percentage of religious believers of the total population of the respective countries. The higher you score, the less religious you are. There is a high correlation, now correlation doesn't mean causality, but various studies indicate that the importance of religion shrinks with advancing development.
>>438837
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, only the most intelligent and wealthy people have the opportunity to emigrate to another country.
I bet you there are less Africans migrating from Nigeria in total than those other countries. So you are seeing the top 0.0001% of Africans compared to the top 0.1% of Chinese, Koreans etc as those countries are more wealthy and more people are able to emigrate.
How have you never heard of brain drain? It's a very well researched topic.
>>439616
Here is a graph made with the data on Wikipedia
>>438628
>but to say that most of the population is stupid or poor is being dishonest.
No one said that... They are just saying that the reason why a lot of the Nigerian immigrants you see are intelligent is because they are the top few percent of their people who can actually afford to emigrate.
They are the most intelligent and wealthy of their people.
iirc religion is growing in china, catholicism in particular? Even Taoism is experiencing a resurgence, and by taoism I mean the native religious variant that focuses on deities and rites etc
>>438321
more like the opposite I think.
The general, abstract concept of god or spiritual power or whatever other deist and metaphysical concept you can think of may still resonate in some people, but most find the rituals and dogmas of organized religion completely pointless and ridiculous as they are.
>Northern Europe
>not religious
They translated all their Protestant fervor into support for progressivism
Italy is probably more irreligious than Sweden, because there people are just nominally catholic and apathetic about it, while in Sweden everyone is fanatically socialist and worship brown and black people like walking gods.
>>438272
>boring and dull average way of life leads to being godless
How surprising
>>439385
>religious people all over the world reject science
>look I found 3 who didnt
>>438272
"Not religious" isn't meaningful, you can adhere to a religion and not consider yourself "religious" compared to the people that think & talk about it all the time.
Even polling people who say they have "no religion" you find that large percentages of them have metaphysical beliefs including God, karma, an afterlife. I believe that data can be found in the same gallup poll.
But since you're asking specifically about America, we have a historical phenomenon of alternating periods of irreligion and religious ferver.
>>440971
>you don't know shits about religious people
>look Ma I'm tipping it again
>>439373
You're taking shit here, mate. 80% of Germans are of pure white German ancestry. A further 11% is of European ancestry. Whereas 72.4% of Americans are of European ancestry.
When you made the claim that the US is less diverse than Germany, I actually believed you. The idiots of this site speak with such authority, but ultimately you're a pretend intellectual. A fraud. Sort your life out, bud.
>>438281
The largest portion of religious Americans are WASPs.
>>438309
US is 78.9% religious and Israel is 80% religious.
It's close, but your claim that US's religiosity is greater than Israel's is clearly false.
>>438541
They are newly rich societies.
>>439079
>she qualified to Cambridge’s premed program after subsequently achieving straight A’s on her A-levels
I have to question the accuracy of this quote considering the UK does not run premed programmes. Cambridge offers undergraduates straight medicine degrees.
Wouldn't be caught dead in any of these countries, they are basically before collapse.
They stopped caring about life so much they're importing millions of muslims and you're not even allowed to say there are ISIS extremists among them.
Basically these countries are fucking done, this is rome before collapse.
>>439087
As the other poster mentioned, you don't understand the situation in the UK. Oxford and Cambridge have very low acceptance rates, despite almost every candidate achieving the minimum entry standards. Candidates' being rejected is not related to race and it's not absurd.
Trust me, I know. I am white and met the entry requirements, yet the motherfuckers rejected me.
>>438272
Because it's impossible for a society under capitalism to be truly irreligious.
>>440830
China was facing oppressive regulations on their religious activities for many years. People admitting what their religious activities are and being open about them does not imply that religiosity is growing in China, though it probably is. However, this growth is qualified somewhat by the context as China as a nation.
>>440971
What cool contributions have you made to science? You seem awfully enlightened.
>>438272
Poverty and unemployment on the planet produce demand to religions.
Why is Italy supposedly so religious compared to other western yuro countries?
>>438272
>India and Russia has a same religious tier. Also ignore major part of Africa.
Thanks, The Washington Post, for a funny joke for the our North
>>438272
>Most highly developed countries go irreligious, the majority of the population is not interested in Religion anymore.
Is there any kind of historical precedent for this beyond just the west in the last 40 years or so? If not, why should we consider this a rule? I also see Europeans especially droning on about how "all developed countries do x, except the U.S.". Seems like they're suffering from a lack of perspective.
>>441327
They've always been pretty shit by Western European standards.
Also, the pope is right there.
>>441418
Italy doesn't have places as shitty as London or Paris, and it's not as violent as most other countries
Japan is a little wiggly on this. Shinto and some Buddhist practices are so ingrained into the culture. That Japanese people do them every day with out even realizing. They also still have a healthy ancestor cult.
>>438281
Religion in Europe: One denomination typically associated explicitly with the state (even into the 21st century), state religion overwhelmingly the dominant form of worship
Religion in US: Religious freedom granted by law from the beginning of the country's history, wide diversity of denominations and worship styles.
Religion is unpopular in modern Europe because of its historical association with political oppression; when the Enlightenment and the French Revolution came around the Church was grouped in with other reactionary powers and thus lost popularity. Whereas in America this was not the case and furthermore, there is a sort of "free market" of religions in the US that was not historically present in Europe. Churches faced competition to retain their members and as such religion in America was more appealing than in Europe where the state religion basically had a monopoly on worship.
>>441458
>They also still have a healthy ancestor cult.
So Hot! Are you know titles of books about this? Translated, please.
>>439373
>the ethnicities you mentioned are a tiny minority of US population.
Kek. Somebody post the famous image about the statistics of the Mexican population in the US.
>>439051
1st World = America an her allies
2nd World = Soviet Union and her allies/sattelite states
3rd World = Non-aligned countries
3rd world became synonymous with poverty because the non-aligned nations tended to be less developed
It is not a ranking system of wealth or "progressiveness" or whatever you're using it for
That being said, yeah, there are places in America, particularly along the Mississippi River, that would not look out of place in the Congo
>>441045
> Whereas 72.4% of Americans are of European ancestry
Hispanic people are included there. Take away that and the amount of white Americans are actually closer to 62.8% (not including arabs but they're so few it doesn't really affect it).
>>438469
You honestly seem like a decent fellow and it is a long time since I grew out of my religion-bashing teenage years. But when a person gets so arrogant as you, being a 100% sure in their own perfection and others imperfection, it always pisses me off. Ever considered that your
>proper use of logic to prove God
Could be your own self delusion? I'm not saying it's a certainty, but it's a possibility and one you are certainly ignoring.
>>438272
people's maturation.
we live in a world where some countries are stuck in the medieval/feudal era whereas some others are trying to colonize other planets... this isn't forcebly tied to the human index development but it helps - for example, in social-evolutionary terms the nordic cuc- i mean- countries are way more advanced than the rest of the world so they no longer need an all-seeing presence to feel safe since they're entering the young adult age in the human development - while the rest of the european countries are still in their teen years.
won't even trying to classify the rest, but in the usa for example you have a nation in two speeds - complete childrens in one side and manchilds in the other.
>>438309
>country founded by atheists isn't that religious
This is supposed to be surprising?
>>438272
Guess Marx was right. Demystification is a process inherent to the development of capitalism
>>442130
Are you implying that Spain is not part of Europe?
>>442370
>Guess Marx was right. Demystification is a process inherent to the development of capitalism
Sad fact, Marx was often brilliantly right when he analyzed the inner mechanics of a modern society, but his recipes for improvement failed horribly.
>>442392
The Spanish are subhumans, but the reason they're not included is because Hispanics are more the descendants of Central Americans than actual Spanish. The Latino """race""" is a very recent development in terms of human civilization.
>>441352
>Also ignore major part of Africa
Africa doesn't really have the infrastructure to conduct polls like this.
>>438272
Marxism and liberalism are pretty much religions.
>>442644
>Marxism and liberalism are pretty much religions.
No they aren't, plus Marxism is dead as disco.
>>442685
You don't need any belief in the supernatural to have a religion.
How does "the inevitable victory of the proletariat" differ from Christian millenarianism?
As for liberalism, it is pretty much low-church Christianity w/o salvation. Believing in equality is dumber than believing in Islam.
>>438272
mfw former CCCP more religious than 'Murica.
Thanks, communism, you were Christfag all along.
>>442723
>You don't need any belief in the supernatural to have a religion.
Thats pretty much the definition of a religion. And your semantics won't change the fact that people go irreligious. Churches are empty, movie theaters and night clubs are full.
What's up with Belgium?
>>442788
>Thats pretty much the definition of a religion.
Eh no. Believing in supernatural things is part of religion, but religion clearly requires that you believe in a deity, or multiple deities.
>>438281
This isn't the reason. The US has a much lower share of the population that are immigrants vs. Canada and Australia.
>>442788
>>442723
Lysenkoism and Dictator Cult are supernatural though.
>Reading the Communist Manifesto before bed will allow you to grow more crops
>Touching Mao's Mangoes will bless you
>Dear Leader can hear your thoughts and prayers
>Adherence to Party doctrine causes cattle to breed more
>The evil telepathic immortal bourgeoisie lizardmen are working to stop the faithful!
Confucianism and Taoism both have the supernatural without any explicit deities (There are tons of course in both of these religions but that's do to their relation to Chinese folk religion and not an inherent property). So while we can nitpick about what a religion is, >>442644 say "pretty much religions" so even if not a religion proper, Marxism/Liberalism are close to religions.
>>442806
Touching the holy artifacts of one will bring blessings for life.
Praying to the other will cause bountiful harvests.
>>442817
>Marxism/Liberalism are close to religions.
But it's clearly not. Marxism is a method of historical analysis, and liberalism is a political ideology that specifically eschews the divine right of kings, and supernatural claims to power.
To the extent that your characterization of the USSR is correct, it is because it REPLICATED religion, and wasn't Marxist nor Liberal.
>>442830
>hurpity durpity doo Marxism has never been tried
If you say so.
>>442806
>>442817
Gent's what you say is interesting, but it does not change the simple fact that Westerns society turns away from organized religion in general and the Christian faith in special. And it does not look like they adopt any form of new cult, they just keep the Rituals they like and keep on unbelieving.
>>442817
>Lysenkoism and Dictator Cul
Lolwut, they have nothing to do with todays modern Society.
>>442822
Anthropomorphic apotheosis isn't religion, unless you also believe there is a supernatural God(s).
>>442839
>Never been tried
Marxism isn't a political system, it is, as I will repeat, a method of historical analysis, so yes, it has never been tried.
Try to read a book faggot.
>>442830
Yes, plus we don't light candles on Milton Firedmann's Birthday and the USSR is fucking gone and Russia is back on track to a tsaristic orthodox state church.
It is more like religion doesn't matter that much if you have a good income, a good education and a good health.
>>442840
>And it does not look like they adopt any form of new cult, they just keep the Rituals they like and keep on unbelieving.
Which is called Culture. And it's preferable.
I would rather have people believing in community, and believing in friendships and relationships with one another through the spirit of culture, than through actual supernatural bullshit.
italian here.
i don't feel like this country is very religious.
nominally everyone here is catholic. practically secularism run strong as a sentiment in the population but not in the elites, people are very light and casual about their religion, and catholicism itself is the one of the most progressive of the abrahamic shits and it also allow for plenty of opinions inside itself.
comparing what i've seen in 4chan and CNN news with my experience in Tuscany i would dare to say here is much much less theocrazy than anywhere in the bible belt.
>>442957
can conferm
t. patrician venetian
>>442854
Good luck with that. Collective atheist communities are far from the utopia you think.
>>438272
>The notable exception is the United states.
because U! S! A!
I'm serious, we call football soccer, use the imperial system, and have more guns that people. We are exceptional.
>>438272
because first worlders are educated
Non-US countries feel inclined to adopt the trappings of progress, or whatever they think constitutes that, while the US jerks off over its hegemony, and sees no real reason to change anything for it.
>>443100
Maybe US is just behind other nations, they lose religious beliefs also really fast and in a couple decades they are at the same point?
>>443092
>Good luck with that. Collective atheist communities are far from the utopia you think.
There are already countries with a big nonreligious majority, and they work really nice.
What is the difference between irreligious and atheist?
>>444048
>irreligious
Don't care if god exists
>atheists
Care that god doesn't exist
>>444055
Ah, ok thanks for the clarification. What is the stance of religious people on the irreligious majority then?
>>438272
Daily reminder that past 25 years is not his related
>>444055
Why are Christians always so fucking intellectually dishonest? Fucking niggers thinking they're allowed to lie if it's for le greater good.
You know damn well you're lying.
Fuck you. If Jesus knew what you where doing he'd need two whips for you.
>>444123
kek
>>444123
>If Jesus knew
Yeah, but he doesn't, he is dead.The Romans nailed him.
>>444055
Irreligious people are atheists, you should really call those fedora tipping kind militant atheists
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As long as all politicians must rely on ostentatious claims of piety for election, the media must continue propagating ostentatious claims of piety. As long as the media must propagate ostentatious claims of piety, politicians must rely on them for election. Hopefully the cycle collapses sometime soon.
>>442130
Well, Iberian Europeans are also included in the German 11% of "European ancestry". It's not meaningful to make such a distinction for the US Europeans, but not the German Europeans.
Further to the point, if people want to make such a distinction, this proves the poster ever more wrong (the one who made the claim that the US is less diverse Germany).
because their historically religious nations prospered, and the silly delusional atheists started to believe that the prosperit "just happened", as opposed to being a blessing from the Lord Jesus Christ
in the last 2000 years, 30 of those years we have seen atheism. and those nations are dying
>>444048
>>444055
I'd not say this is true. If an alien species came to earth, you learn about their culture and find no tradition of supernatural belief. You'd call them atheist, even though they naturally do not care about the supernatural.
Perhaps in your community, atheist connotes something different. However, the denotation is pretty clear.
>>442685
>Marxism is dead
>>442840
>And it does not look like they adopt any form of new cult
What is anti-racism?
>>445181
>delusional
>>444245
This is over-simplistic. Politicians must show religious dedication because media imposes that expectation on them. It's one vicious circle.
>>445210
>What is anti-racism?
not a Religion.
>>445218
The thing about changes in religious behavior is that they also change the definition of religion.
Romans considered Christians "atheists" because they didn't partake in state rituals.
I see anti-racism as a clearly religious phenomenom, feminism is also very cult-like.
>>445228
>I see anti-racism as a clearly religious phenomenom, feminism is also very cult-like.
Yes, but you are very alone with your view. Pubs are full, sports matches are full, restaurants are full, shopping malls are full, Churches are empty. Ever considered that Religion dies out and nobody cares, life just goes on? Because that is whats happening in a lot of countries right now.
>>445252
Football culture is quite religious too.
I will not argue that Christianity is pretty much dead in the Western world, my point is more that religious behavior doesn't really die, it just changes into new venues, such as politics.
I conser anti-racism a good example because of the way people perceived as racists are treated. You say religion dies and life goes on, but if you are perceived as a racist, you are actually more hated and persecuted than a heretic in the Middle Ages or a Papist in Early Modern England.
>>445262
That's a dubious claim and it's also irrelevant.
>>445275
Stop conflating religious experience and dedication to a football. They are not the same thing and you sound like a Vice journalist.
>>445293
Not to mention it's really old, including politics, hooliganism and all that
>>445295
But, alas, no supernatural element.
>>441145
/argument
Fucking ledditor BTFO
>>440537
Wow.
>>441062
Israel is one of the most Atheist countries out there
>>440537
>Linear Fitting
Absolutely Disgusting
>>446361
Eh, the point is obvious either way
>>442817
It's not so much that the ideologies themselves are like religions. Marxism before 1914 was a pretty nebulous thing, with theorists wanting to stick to what they established as an "orthodoxy" being minorities in the parties, with the except of Kautsky.
But y'know religious language is the first language by which we communicate the abstract, and it's very difficult to go from religious abstract language to secular. Shit man just saying "Marx" brings up terms like "orthodoxy", wholly religious terms.
tl;dr teach a bunch of peasants philosophy and they'll say "hey this sounds a lot like our superstitions".
>>446413
Marxism is dead. Check what people bring up as pseudo-religion in this thread, from Lysenkoism to anti.racism. to feminism-to football.
Pretty much anything just so because they cannot admit the simple fact that the majority has no god anymore.
>>446423
k
so uh
what's the relevance to what I said
If I were to talk about some historical bit about,say, Scipio Africanus, would you say "but the roman empire is dead tho"?
>>446428
Because we are talking about the current situation, and Marxism failed even harder than Religions in the modern society, So no, modern secular ideologies are neither religions nor did they take the part that religions used to have in society.
>>446441
"Because we are talking about the current situation, and the Roman Empire failed even harder than the British Empire in the modern society"
>>446453
Face it, Marxism was the reason why Religion was oppressed during the ComBloc era. Once that cap was gone, Religious level came back to normal in respect to the country and its development level, thats why still most of Estonia or Czech Republic are non believers and Russia is back to orthodox.
Marxism has nothing to do with the current Situation where most of the 1st world has abandoned Religion for good.
>>445275
>I will not argue that Christianity is pretty much dead in the Western world,
Then are we still arguing with them on a daily base on this board. They just could accept that they lost and no one cares anymore, yet you fedora tippers still reply.
>>438272
Here in California people don't seem too religious
>>448868
>California
Is one of the better and more relaxed states after all.
>>438274
It's like number 5 in HDI
>>446260
I just gave you the stats, kid. Your opinion doesn't overrule hard numbers.
>>450376
>stats have never lied
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiloni
>>448873
>California
<better
Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>446423
>Pretty much anything just so because they cannot admit the simple fact that the majority has no god anymore.
Try criticizing equality or freedom in polite company and you will find your "majority has no god" can be quite theist still.
>>448873
If by better you mean shit and by relaxed you mean stupid enough to elect celebrities as governors and too lazy to come up with a contingency plan for severe daughter despite being partly in a fucking desert, I agree with you.
homeschooling
>>439616
That's not HDI, though, that's "moral and social development rank" which sounds like complete and arbitrary bullshit.
>>438272
If non religious people have the majority, why on earth are there millions of this fuckers in /his/, posting their bullshit in every thread?
>>442809
Fuck off you liar the tens of millions of Mexicans you have can't be denied
>>438272
>>438272
America had two Great awakenings and during the cold war you could be considered a Soviet sympathizer for not being religious because Soviets where supposed to be Atheist.
>>453107
The Mexicans a historical immigrants. They're not necessarily numerous because they are currently coming into the US; they are numerous because their Mexican parents and grandparents came into the US.
>>454929
Do you know what a proper noun is?
Clue: atheist isn't one of them.
>>455358
But Atheism is a religion :^)
They follow the prophet Athe
>>438450
people actualy believed, and some still do, in things like 'heavens' 'astrals' and such dimensions, where 'powers' and 'rulers' of various kinds, usualy understood as angelic or demonic inteligences/entities, disembodied as it were, govern something or abide for some reason, and that one can contact and interact with these it certain occult ways
this was realy not much different from people believing in extraterestrial inteligences or interdimensionla beings, its the same story, you even have SETI still trying to 'talk to them'
it just than humans spontaneously assume personal inteligence cant be a one off thing and must exist elswhere in the universe, its just a question of the accepted model as to 'where' they will place them
the point might be they arent 'somewhere'
>>445181
Meanwhile most of religious countries now are pretty ass.
No data countries; religious as fuck..mostly
>>438434
>people didn't worship materialism and the state in premodern times
Atheism hasn't changed shit.
>>441089
>They stopped caring about life so much they're importing millions of muslims and you're not even allowed to say there are ISIS extremists among them.
You just said it, and the thought police haven't kicked in your door. Jesus christ people take this fucking 1984 allegory shit way too seriously.
>>441051
>protestant are religious
Wow no shit
>>438434
Go away Denton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-bijO3uEw
>>448875
I refuse to accept that as relevant because I personally don't like the USA.
Because America's fucking weird.
Why do atheists always try to make themselves seem much more numerous than they actually are in America? You are like 3% of the population, shut the fuck up.
>>457463
>Why do atheists always try to make themselves seem much more numerous than they actually are in America? You are like 3% of the population, shut the fuck up.
Because most irreligous persons are apatheist, they don't believe in god and don't care about. According to pols they make 30% of the US population.
Atheists on the other hand are your typical SJW, they indeed are only a small part of population.
>>457495
15 to 30% respond to either non-religious or "unaffiliated" in polls, with polls that specifically say "non-religious" having results much lower.
>>439385
Copernicus wasn't really trying to say that Christianity was wrong, it was more about mathematically simplify the model for the solar/earth system. Before him we used epicycles, it was really difficult to use them properly. And they're not even wrong. We know nowadays that it's all a matter of perspective. A model that puts the earth at the center of the reference frame isn't inherently wrong, just really convulsed.
On the other side, we have Giordano Bruno, that was burnt alive as a heretic because he dreamed about multiple star systems.
>>438272
>more material possessions
>less religious people
How is this surprising? Most religion is about resisting worldly pleasures. Of course the people who aren't as well off will be more religious.
>>457781
More education, less religion
>>438272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyWpwrHpO0
Western Man is lost.
>>457716
Bruno wasn't burnt just because of his vision of the universe. He pissed off his patrons, kept spouting blasphemies against Christ, Mary and the Trinity, did magic and divination. Since the catholic church always gives a chance to blasphemers to save themselves by admitting they were wrong, he basically chose suicide by stating he regretted nothing
>>456371
Are you just pretending to be this fucking stupid?
>>459045
Even in Azerbaijan?
>>442563
Latino is a culture, not a race. Those Central Americans you're talking about are predominantly mestizo.
Define mestizo.
Then realize that mulattoes and sambos are also half European.
>>438341
This 2bh fampai
>see Czech Republic
What do the Chinese think about religion?
Do they just call bullshit on all of it, unlike us where no one actually believes it but it's frowned upon to go against it aggressively?
I believe in god but I dislike the idea of him.
So essentially I acknowledge that I SHOULD worship him, but at the same time I think he's a total dickwad.
Pretty much the same way I feel about Obama.
Because science is largely at odds with religion. Religious texts make absurd claims and then when empirical evidence disproves it religious people try to claim it was just a metaphor.
>>459618
>when empirical evidence disproves it religious people try to claim it was just a metaphor.
This isn't really true. Many parts of the Bible were interpreted as metaphors long before science disproved it. People interpreted books like Genesis as a metaphorical work as early as the 2nd century.
>>438341
>against communism
Wouldn't that mean that people would turn super religious like they did in Poland and Russia?
>>448873
Enjoying the drought friend?
>>448873
I love living in California. So much money and nice weather. Parties in SF are great too
>>448873
>leftist texas
Spare me
>>440971
>shithead baptists and Wahhabi clerics reject science
>"hur dur all religious people reject science!!!:D:D"
>>441428
You're right it has absolutely delightful and super clean places to live in, like Naples or Rome. It's also less violent because, well corruption and organized crime are way better amirite? Totally not holding back your economy and social development. Way better places than Paris and London haha!
> keep on dreaming Mario.
>>462126
As one who traveled a lot both in the UK and Italy, violence is much less dominant in Italy than it is in the UK, especially big city wise.
>>462501
as someone in a similar position I am inclined to agree but a big issue, especially in the South of Italy is the corruption, its rampant. I would rather deal with some chavs than an organised crime syndicate
>>462126
Statistically Italy is less violent than both the UK and France, especially when it comes to big cities.
I'm not Italian but I don't know if you've ever been to London, it's literally one of the shittiest places in western yurop
Westerners believes in John Rawl's God of social justice, who made all humans blank slates. If the oppressive bad spirits are defeated, then the millennium will arrive.
>>439373
Non-(non-Hispanic)-whites make up about 40 percent of the population, and probably a lot more than that.
>>462501
You do realise Italy has a culture of mafia who carry out hits. How you work out that the UK is more violent than Italy is quite baffling.
>>459618
>Religious texts make absurd claims and then when empirical evidence disproves it religious people try to claim it was just a metaphor.
EVERY FUCKING THREAD
>>448875
Inequality adjusted HDI would be a better standard.
>>463040
Nozick pls
>>464102
>hence why
That pretty much sums up the level of sophistication possessed by apologists.
>>464069
desu the mafia nowadays is way less likely to mess with you, the average dude, than chavs or nigger gangs
Not saying it's a good thing, but it kind of explains why Italy isn't as violent as those other places.
>>464610
Chavs or nigger gangs are not likely to mess with me because I don't live in London. For most of the UK, there is no culture of violence whereas in Italy there obviously is.
not religious =/= atheist
>>464875
It generally does, though.
>>464875
I honestly don't see how a pure theist and a pure atheist are any different.
>>464875
Yuu are right, most people in Europe just don't care about organized religion and the Christian faith anymore. Never mind you will know in a couple decades when you got the same development.
>>438563
>My own people are only 10000 even with refugees in the US
RIP
