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Why did Islam stop spreading east in (what is now) Indonesia?
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At the time the Spaniards arrived in Manila in 1570, it was an Islamic Raj. But when westerners visited New Guinea, Australia, etc. there was no trace of Islam. Why did Islam stop spreading south and east sometime around 900-1200AD?
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>>435715
Because there was not a fucking trace of civilization in those areas at that time, except cannibals and aboriginals
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>>435715
Because obviously there was noone worth converting to the true religion living in australia or new guinea
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>>435715
Aborigines probably said "Fuck off, we're full" to them.
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Savages don't have the mental capacity to refrain themselves from killing and eating the traders that brought Islam to the Malay.

The Malay are intelligent people.
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>>435737
The Malays had direct contact with groups like what are now the Torres Straits Islanders, but didn't appear to make much if any effort to convert them to Islam.
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>>435715
Ask yourself how was Islam spread to Indonesia in the first place?

Indonesia was a trading link between the middle East, India and China. Muslim traders from the peninsula was stop there and trade. Did Muslims trade with Australia or Micronesia? Not really.
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>>435715
>This question.
You know what else stopped in New Guinea & Australia?
>Agriculture
>Metalworking
>Boatbuilding.
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>>435715
Trade follows this route in the region. For once, islam was actually brought by trade to the area. Places outside the malay cultural area and untouched by trade had no reason to be converted.
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>>435715
>south
>Papua New Guinea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism#New_Guinea
>east
Pacific ocean
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indonesia is the world largest muslim populated countries right now, funny thing that
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Because it came in conflict with other religions?
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>>435715
This map is not very accurate. The entirety of Timor as well as some surrounding islands is Christian. And no region of Burma is Hindu, those areas are mixed pagan and Christian.
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>>435715
Shouldn't part of Vietnam be catholic?
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>>435715
What's that patch of Catholic island in Indonesia?

And Singapore is 33% Buddhism as the dominant religion, not purple Islam.
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>>437143
East Timor, former portuguese enclave
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>>437057
PNG is Christian too
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>>435978
actually new guinea developed agriculture independently and there are many types of indigenous boats and canoes, you're right about metal though
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>>435715
Let me try. Malay here. Islam was spread by traders converting local hindu Rajas. Due to the feudal nature of Malays, automatically, the entire kingdoms converted fairly quickly. PNG, Timor etc had no central government or kings, hence, Islam could not take hold this way. Chritians came later in missionaries purposely to convert the natives. The myslim traders did it as a side project to trading.
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>>437006
you are looking at the only example where islam spreads without conflict m8
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>>437519
Would you reckon it augmented your culture?

It seems like many Malay think it did.
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>>437169
What about JPG?
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>>435715
>tfw all Protestants and Eurasians had to go the Netherlands because the Indomudslimes chimped out
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>435752
If they were intelligent they wouldn't have converted to Islam, and they would certainly realize the harm it's doing to their society now.
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>>438081
Ironically the Dutch themselves helped promote the spread of Islam (along with Christianity of course) to disrupt the rebellious Hindu kingdoms in Indonesia.

>>437143
Singaporeans generaly don't take religion seriously unless they're Muslim, Catholic or belong to some crazy Protestant scam church.
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>>435978
>>435746
>>435715
Aboriginals in contact with Moluccans incorporated Islam and Arabic to the point that their aboriginals ceremonies are in essence calls to Allah.
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>>438090
>this reply
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>>438165
Is that true? How prominent is Hinduism today as a result in the region?
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>>438263
I'm the one the comment was for - it's pretty much true. Though few of the eastern islands are still Hindu; Bali comes to mind.

Funnily enough even though the Dutch/VOC pushed Islam as a stabilizer - they also put Arab traders at the bottom of the totempole.
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>>438165
nah they did that to everyone. they pitted the hindus against the muslim in mataram and vice versa with other religion everywhere. its part of their divide and conquer tactic
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>>438210
where can i read more on this?
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>>438285
they dont want any of the arab traders hurting their spice monopolies. this eventually led to a creation of a muslim trade union which played important part in the indonesian revolution
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>>438298
Well, seems we couldn't do anything right desu.
>Ethical Policy
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>438289
Google it
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>>438289
I once read an article where an old native man nearing his death decided to visit a Christian missionary, so that he could make his decision on whether to convert or not.

He went on to provide a very convincing argument against personal theism and the trinity, despite being a "savage", but I can't seem to find it.
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>>438090
Hello /pol/.
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>>438498
Hello /reddit/.
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>>437130
I'd imagine any great catholic pockets would have been destroyed during the war
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>>437130
>>438557
Catholicism was never that strong in Vietnam. It was technically an East Asian country in SEA to begin with and lord know how those cunts are resistant to Christfaggotry.

Except for Korea. Ever E. Asia's weirdos.
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