What were the first settlers that came to America after the native? was there anyone that beat Columbus? And who were
They?
Norseman settled in North America in what they called Vinland around the year 1000 CE. They eventually abandoned it. Beyond that Polenysians made contact with the Americas.
>>557746
There were the Na-Dene and Inuit migrations into America from Siberia.
Polynesian contact along the South American coast.
The Norse briefly tried to settle in the north but the harsh weather, hostile natives, and general lack of draw/interest made them abandon it.
There's some evidence the Basques might have reached around Newfoundland chasing new fishing and whaling grounds, but there's nothing definitive.
Anything outside of this is complete speculation without any real evidence and is usually /x/-tier
>>558046
This, the only other theory that seems slightly plausible to me (with no evidence though) is the Irish Monks.
>>558059
There's a pretty interesting map series on alternatehistory.com based on that
>>558089
If only that site's admin wasn't so banhappy
the first people in america were the solutreans
>>557760
I came here to post this.
>>560220
which indicates that they were there. before the mongoloid crossing.
>>560254
Actually, no. Deleted that post because:
>A 2014 genetic analysis published in the journal Nature reported that the DNA from a 24,000-year-old skeleton excavated in Central Siberia provided mitochondrial, Y chromosomal, and autosomal genetic evidence that suggests 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry originates from an ancient Western Eurasian population. The Mal'ta era skeleton's mitochondrial genome belonged to mtDNA haplogroup U, which has also been found at high frequencies among Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers. The authors state that their findings have four implications, the third being that "such an easterly presence in Asia of a population related to contemporary western Eurasians provides a possibility that non-east Asian cranial characteristics of the First Americans derived from the Old World via migration through Beringia, rather than by a trans-Atlantic voyage from Iberia as proposed by the Solutrean hypothesis." [11]
>Mal'ta boy had YDNA haplogroup R1* which is common to both Europeans and Native Americans. Haplogroup R1 (Y-DNA)) is the second most predominant Y haplotype found among indigenous Amerindians after Q (Y-DNA).[12] The distribution of R1 is believed to be associated with the re-settlement of Eurasia following the last glacial maximum. One theory put forth is that it entered the Americas with the initial founding population.[13] A second theory is that it was introduced during European colonization.[12] R1 is very common throughout all of Eurasia except East Asia and Southeast Asia. R1 (M173) is found predominantly in North American groups like the Ojibwe (79%), Chipewyan (62%), Seminole (50%), Cherokee (47%), Dogrib (40%) and Tohono O'odham (Papago) (38%).[12]
>>560266
And
In 2014, the autosomal DNA of a 12,500+-year-old infant from Montana was sequenced.[14] The DNA was taken from a skeleton referred to as Anzick-1, found in close association with several Clovis artifacts. Comparisons showed strong affinities with DNA from Siberian sites, and the report stated that "In agreement with previous archaeological and genetic studies our genome analysis refutes the possibility that Clovis originated via a European (Solutrean) migration to the Americas." The DNA also showed strong affinities with all existing Native American populations, which indicated that all of them derive from an ancient population that lived in or near Siberia, the Upper Palaeolithic Mal'ta population.[15] Anzick-1 Y-haplogroup is Q.
>>560056
Ive been on that site 7 years and never gotten banned once, what are you doing to get banned?
>>560254
That distribution is from the first three or more waves of American migration coming from Siberia and central Asia. It's because the Western Euros and some of the Indians are both descended from this line, so they're more like cousins, not one descending from the other.
>>558046
>Norse
>harsh weather ... made them abandon it
We're talking about the same Norse that lived in Scandinavia and settled Greenland and Iceland, right?
>>560470
Yes, the same Norse that settled Greenland and also later abandoned it. The mini ice age was starting and it made both Vinland and Greenland impossible for them to survive in with their ways of life.
>>560470
They abandoned during what was a particularly bad decade in both Newfoundland and Scandinavia.
>>560487
Even Norse have to grow crops to eat.
>>557746
>all the retards that try to appeal to the arbitrary limit between what is and what isn't a native american
>humans have continuously for thousands of years come in different periods and groups from various sources since they have been able to
>>557746
The Black-skinned thick-lipped Fatimid Caliphate discovered America.
>>560254
>mfw Natives are R1
>>560532
Not really
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2010-05-16-footprints_N.htm
Natives came after homo erectus.
>>561246
Quit believing retarded MSPaint charts slapped with random "haplogroups" 9 out of ten "haplogroup" charts you see on here are false
>>561549
How's this haplo chart?
>>560254
So this magical haplogroup that bestows the power of whiteness on people originated in Chad?
>>560491
They just weren't as smart as the native Arctic peoples who survived in the same environment, I guess.
>>561574
They didn't adapt their culture to that specific environment
In the long term the Inuit's mode of survival in the frozen north was an impediment to the Inuit ability to expand outside of the arctic, while sedentary nations that relied on farming (or animal herding in the case of the Bantu) eventually had massive populations that allowed for mass colonization of weaker, less numerous peoples
>>561549
Start understanding what a haplogroup is first.
All that the haplogroup tracks is geographical distribution and inter-relatedness of populations, and /nothing else/. We use them because they don't code for anything, this is why they are a useful way to track the relationship between populations and geography, and that is why charts made using them always resemble maps where their locations are marked.
Coding DNA spreads through the population so long as it is adaptive, and there have never been large human populations that were completely isolated from the other large human populations.
>>561586
Like I say, the Norse could not adapt to the environment, the Inuit could. Why would the Inuit want to develop a way of life that was worse for their current situation?
Bantu farmed as well as herded. A minority of Africans were without farming as of 1500 AD.
>>560266
>injuns found to be mixes of tribes from prehistoric europe who moved into siberia and prehistoric siberians
>"HA, TAKE THAT /pol/!"
What was proven here, exactly?
>>561599
How many inuit are there today and how many scandinavians are there? The Inuit way of life is inferior except in the very specific climate of the arctic.
>>561591
>and there have never been large human populations that were completely isolated from the other large human populations.
I don't understand why this addition was needed.
>>561608
Some people on /pol/ think that they are the descendants of people who used to rule the Americas but were displaced by modern native Americans.
Even if this were the correct interpretation of the data (it isn't), I don't see what bearing it would have on the morality of displacing native Americans over the last few hundred years.
>>561617
There are more Scandinavians.
So you think Inuit should have changed their lifestyle so that they were less able to survive in the Arctic, so that one day they might be able to do better somewhere else?
>>561623
Some people believe that the Sahara or the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans are hermetic seals to human movement. They aren't. Useful alleles spread across these before the modern era.
Beginning with Moses, he said Pharaoh let my people go. What they don't say is where did he go? But he married into a Canaanite. Those who split the middle sea in two. The mediterranean. They establish a kingdom of great power in the middle sea, with hundreds if not tens of thousands of ports in 3 continents.
Spain is the westernmost country in Europe.
I believe they were the Phoenicians, with ports in the Atlantic. The Greeks were said to call them the Atlanteans. A civilization much more advanced than their own.
Native Americans of Caribbean and South America say they descend from a warring sea tribe that came over and traded thousands of years back.
>>561890
However.
Dome Native Americans of Chile. Say they descend from Polynesians that sailed there by making stops in smaller islands. Traveling long distances.
The most useful tale is this. Follow the coconut. If a coconut could have gotten there people could have made it there as well. Nobody knows exactly where the coconut really originated or at what time it got there. They just suppose it originated in South East Asia.
>>557760
And the Eskimos and Inuit too
>>560312
Not him, but I posted an 'OP is a phaggot' pic in the Brony thread and got b&.
ITT Ameri-shit-for-brains trying to understand something as complex as genetics when they haven't even figured out that western European R1b are very recent immigrants from Russia.
>>561563
>confusing 'origins' with where it also happens to be.
>>561586
>>561574
>>561586
>>561599
The Inuit lived further north, and in any case weren't yet present in the eastern Arctic at the time. The Norse settled in northern Newfoundland and encountered the so-called Beothuks, who were 'red indians', almost certainly an Algonquian people. Most closely related to either Mikmaqs or Innu (a Cree-speaking group and NOT related to Inuit).
I've been to L'anse aux Meadow. It was windy and rainy as fuck, but it is not Arctic by any means, nor was it in the 11th century.
>>561949
They came later. You really should examine Thule/Inuit settlement timelines.
("Eskimo" is an outdated externally applied ethnonym referring to a group from the WESTERN arctic.)
>>562486
Then my only regret is that you weren't permanently banned you cancerous fag
