Post more images if you can find some
>>430950
>portuguese
>white
>>430950
From a Chinese World Atlas from the T'ang Dynasty.
The Japanese drew the Portuguese as brown jews way often.
And you could only tell whites from blacks when you had both of them on the same picture.
>>430982
Romans according to the Chinese. Drawing from the Sung Dynasty. Poem & Description from the Han
Spot the whitey:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tribute_Bearers_by_Yan_Liben_and_Yan_Lide._Palace_Museum,_Beijing.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zhigongtu_full.jpg
>>430982
WE
WUZ
SHAHS
>>430982
the Indian looks like my grandma
>>430990
Qing Dynasty period painting of foreign emissaries & tributaries paying homage to the Emperor. Dutchmen awkwardly mixed with Central Asians and Muslim people.
>>430950
>>431142
Qing exported porcelain figure of a European Man, France, early 18th Century.
>>431148
That's a funny looking horse.
>>431150
The thing to the left is either a tiny leg or a giant dick.
>>431148
King of Khotan. Noooot exactly "white" but these were the Indo-Iranian people settled in Khotan, a city state in what is now Xinjiang and the Chinese did say that some of them had red/blonde hair.
>>430982
>indian light af compared to iran
>>431177
Oh and this is not really Chinese art. This is how the Khotanese depicted themselves. They were a nation of Sinified Iranics with Indian-style Buddhism.
There were loads of these figures of Sogdian merchants during the Tang dynasty.
>dem pale, pink skins
This must be like what black weeaboos feel when reading about Yasuke for the first time.
![NanbanGroup[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UyHaiAO.jpg "NanbanGroup[1].jpg")
Nanban group, probably Portugese traders
A tomb guardian with a Sogdian head.
![NanbanCarrack[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NWy51A0.jpg "NanbanCarrack[1].jpg")
>>431220
Portuguese trading carrack
![Hokusai_1817_First_Guns_in_Japan[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TtDWNbA.jpg "Hokusai_1817_First_Guns_in_Japan[1].jpg")
>>431224
16th century Portuguese soldiers depicted by Hokusai.
>>431220
What's with the parachute pants? The black one could be MC Hammer.
![Oda_Nobunaga-Portrait_by_Giovanni_NIcolao[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eXOpaSD.jpg "Oda_Nobunaga-Portrait_by_Giovanni_NIcolao[1].jpg")
>>431238
Interestingly enough, this is a portrait of Nobunaga done by a Jesuit painting in the 16th century. It's weird to see that Japanese art of the same period is so stylized versus the realism of the European painters.
>>431245
Because only a few Eurofaggots taught Japanese their art and they were subsequently banned.
Compared this to China, in which foreigners were welcomed (under strict surveillance) in court from the 1500's to early 1700's when they were subsequently sent home by paranoid Yongzheng IIRC
You end up with Chinese artists doing shit like this under their training with Italian/French Jesuits.
>>431255
Or this.
>>431255
PLEASE more art like this. Awesome combination. It's like a trick drawing where I can't put the dog and the surroundings together.
The Japanese pics are always funny as shit.
Pic related.
>>431262
I think of their portraits like caricatures ... they address the key physical traits, then add little details that make you think of their essential characteristics.
>>431268
I don't imagine they were quite pleased at being forced into trade agreements, which contributed to their portrayal of whitey.
![Brooklyn_Museum_-_Commodore_Matthew_Perry's__Black_Ship_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/axtMwH0.jpg "Brooklyn_Museum_-_Commodore_Matthew_Perry's__Black_Ship_[1].jpg")
>>431282
They respected the fuck out of his fleet, though.
> The steam-powered ships
> break the halcyon slumber
> of the Pacific;
> a mere four boats are enough
> to make us lose sleep at night.
>>431261
Its from the 10 Prized Dogs album.
Done by Giuseppe Castiglioni, an Italian Jesuit in China in the service of the Qianlong Emperor. Depicting 10 purebred hunting dogs & their names, presented to the Chinese Emperor in an annual "dog show" by famed breeders within the Empire.
Here's the whole set
>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ten_Prized_Dogs_Album
>>431282
Lol at that sword.
>Stop drawing a katana
>Stop drawing a katana
>This is a foreign sword, shorten the handle
>too late.
Not ancient, but you might like this picture.
>>431148
you can really see the more focus on humanizing the white men later in the Qing dynasty, rather then deformities that set them apart from grourius Chinese, they're seen more and more compatible to the chinks.
>>431349
>white men later in the Qing dynasty, rather then deformities that set them apart from grourius Chinese, they're seen more and more compatible to the chinks.
You should see what the Late Qing Dynasty had to say about White Missionaries.
>They worship a roasted pig.
>These pious European Missionaries are only after Chinese women.
>>431355
Late Qing Chinese became massive butthurt over being debunked from their Zhongguo theory, likely lead to a massive increase in hatred of foreigners, that was actually seen, rather then ignored.
>>431355
Didn't stop Hong Xiuquan from seeing himself as Jesus younger brother.
>>430990
Always hilarious to see different cultures trying to interpret clothing. Like the Japanese not knowing what the fuck pants were.
>>431195
>THE NOSE KNOWS
>>431407
Japan had pants though
>>431255
That's fucking awesome.
>>431397
That picture was after the Taiping Rebellion. Its partly a reaction to Christianity's spread via European interference.
>>431535
You have to admit the Qing were kinda stupid
>confiscate opium European imports, since way too many people are becoming addicted to it
>get BTFO by imperialistic England, forced to sign uneven treaty
>try to catch up to European enlightenment tech
>massive failure, due to the backwards state of China and no respect given to qings for not being han chinese
>continue to get BTFO by imperialistic countries in the 19th century
>eventually lose to Japan, that modernized not 20 years earlier
Their one big moment was being too much in a pain of the ass to split up China for imperial powers.
>>431557
MANCHU
FUCKING
SHITS
>>431567
Didn't the Han kill like millions of Manchu?
I'm just surprised by how many rapiers I'm seeing.
Like, what did Asians think of these weapons and their glorious Destreza?
>>431171
GOON BAG!
>>431355
yellow fever was common back then as today?
>>431508
Keep your guilty fetishes out of this /pol/
>>430990
Silk Road Ain't free. The trade routes gotta be litterd with the blood of Uighers. Marco GENOESE polo aka "M. O" is not my emissary. he is lombard smugglar and probbaly apostate as well :DD SPAGHETTI and pizza not noodles and BAO ok. praise >a fucking dead pig on a tree
>>430982
>Persian and Uzbek darker than the Thai
motherfuckin huh
>>431142
god damn somebody should film a recreation of this
>>431177
>Indo-Iranian
Stop making the terminology more confusing than it needs to be. They are Iranic. Indo-Iranian is a faggy euphemistic way of saying the broader Aryan(including Indics and Iranics, not to mention Dards &c) grouping. Stop describing Iranians with the label of their parent group. Khotanese were not Indian or Indic, so don't give them a label that includes Indians.
Guess what country this one comes from
>>431819
Fevers have always existed.
When you're on a boat for four months at minimum, you'll want to fuck every woman you see. A lot of the mass rape among Columbus' men happened out of desperation.
>>430982
>Malaysiam
>send an Indian ambassador even back in those days
toppest kek
>>432112
>filename
>>431407
Pants are barbaric tho,
>>432112
It seems like all three are awkwardly doing their best to pretend to look at each other without actually looking at each other.
>>432112
2spooky
>>432112
That's actually really great.
>>431293
That poem's also a pun
"Steam powered ships" was a homonym for a variety of tea with high caffeine content
>Jokisen tea
>break the quiet of
>A pacific world
>Only four vessels
>And we can't sleep at night
>>431306
Is this from during the civil war?
Is it a pro-ROC poster or somthing?
>>430982
So they basically think every body looks the same.
>>432930
ARR ROOK SAME
Some Japanese depictions of European women from the 19th century
>>433282
>>433284
>>433282
Kanji translate as "when will they learn?"
>>433286
>>433288
>>433290
Images from a 1714 Japanese 'guide to the world.'
Countries in file name.
>>433295
>>433296
>>433297
>>433300
Some Americans
Would Japanese peasants of that time have been able to rationalise round eyes?
It seems as though they couldn't until hundreds of years of contact with Europeans.
>>433300
>portugal-brasil
I'm not even mad
>>433319
Japanese painters aren't peasants
>>433300
>Maraca King
>>432002
underrated
>>432112
That tiny skellington is great.
>dem white people and tjheir weird studies
>>433319
I'd imagine that after a lifetime of drawing eyes the same way it'd be difficult to draw it any other way while still making it look like eyes.
>>433306
According to the japaneese, turkey is white.
>>433383
>Italian women look like turkish men
>Italian men look like turkish women
>>431241
Because camels ARE ferocious monsters
>>433288
>>430982
>Kazakh
Am I the only one seeing this? Between the nose and the hands I really can't help it.
>>433407
is that Bobby Hill?
>>431220
I thought the black guy in the picture was supposed to be Yasuke serving his new lord.
>>433508
I hope you realize Yasuke was one of many Africans and blacks in Japan at this time
>>433541
That picture appears in the Yasuke wikipedia page, so I made that connection and I see my mistake. Never said there not being other blacks than him.
>>433407
I couldn't help it, this is all I can see when I look at that kid
>>430982
Is it me or does the Kazakh look like a blonde woman?? Is that what Kazakhs would have looked like before the Turkic and Mongol invasions?
Also, where did you find this? Image search returned nothing for me.
>>433757
>Is it me or does the Kazakh look like a blonde woman?? Is that what Kazakhs would have looked like before the Turkic and Mongol invasions?
The Kazakh man is wearing a white fur hat. Not blonde hair.
And the face has a distinct Asian facial structure and Mongoloid eyes.
>>432112
whats with the stamp
>>430950
but is it correct to call the red-haired one white if he belongs to Central Asia?
>>433817
Censor's approval. Lot of censorship in Edo period Japan.
>>430969
>Big nosed hairy ape creature
>>430960
>what is sunburn (of already swarthy people) after several months on open see
>what are negro slaves
>>431241
Camels ain't nothing to fuck with. God, such grumpy stinky creatures. At least dromedaries...
>>433757
Kazakhs are turkics, no kazakhs before "the Turkic and Mongol invasions". In fact, the Tang Dynasty is after the Turkic invasions.
Anyways, the editor of the picture decided for some reason to use modern countries in >>430982 which will obviously bring weird results (none of those countries is or was homogeneous at the time). Where is the indian from? What about the iranian? There was no Uzbekistan, Thailand or Afghanistan back then and the guy represented in the picture could or could not be from the ethnicity nowadays associated with those countries.
>>431407
Japs had pants, that's just what the style was.
>this nig doesn't even know what pantaloons and breeches were.
>>430990
Could pass for a Byzantine
>>431241
Camels are assholes. The Chinese never used them, but they seemed to have a fascination with the ones Eurasian traders rode to them.
Source: I work at an art museum, and our Asian section has three almost identical to those posted ITT, one with a dude wearing clothes identifying him as Samarkandian.
Malays called the portuguese "White Bengalis" when we first encountered Europeans.
>>437593
Do you know the reason why? That's an interesting way to name them
>>431580
Yes, but a couple million escaped death by changing their surnames and going into hiding. Then, they lucked the fuck out when the Chinese government decided to embrace the minorites, and miraculously millions of Manchus came out of nowhere shouting m-muh heritage, when I bet half of them were fakes, using a fake Manchu identity to get all the perks that come with being a minority in China (easier acceptance into universities and such). Just remember. Never trust a Manchu
>>437897
Are you Korean?
>>432112
What's with the snake on the Jap's arm?
>>437741
Because they look like albino Indians.
Source: Am East Asian and Indian/Paki/Bengali facial structure look like white people to me.
>>436941
>Camels are assholes. The Chinese never used them, but they seemed to have a fascination with the ones Eurasian traders rode to them.
>The Chinese never used them
>>436941
>The Chinese never used them
>>430950
Who is supposed to be white here? Uyghurs are not "white" nor did they learn Buddhism from "whites"
>>433757
>kazakhs before the Turkic and Mongol invasions
Do you have any idea who the Kazakhs are?
>>436868
>what is bait
>>438107
Not all of them. Some Indians look like East Asians or Austronesians.
>>438115
>>438114
>two photos from the early 20th century showing minorities within China using camels.
The anon obviously meant historically. By the 20th century, it wouldn't be surprising to see at least a few Han chinks from far-flung regions owning a few camels too. They are most definitely central Asian beasts, not east Asian (although they originally evolved in North America).
>>438471
> Some Indians look like East Asians
Post some pictures
>>438544
That's what I meant, thanks. It's kind of like saying American or Mexican is an ethnicity, despite nearly all races living there with varying populations.
>>438504
here m8
>>438650
Because Indians are racist.
>North Indians hate South Indians and vice versa
>Both hate Northeast Indians and couldn't give a shit about the Siddi Indians (who are mostly of African descent because of the slave trade) or the Jarawa people down south.
>>438660
He certainly looks better than many indians
>>438079
why do have people on some japanese drawings those big fangs?
>>438660
>northeastern indians
>indians
those guys are basically Burmese/Chinese people under India.That dude on the right looks like a normal Malay person
>>438954
>no true Indian
This is the only one I've seen before this thread, so I'm surprised no one's posted it yet
>Gomenesai my name is Ken-sama
I have some of these
>>439225
dutch one describing jap marriage protocol
>>439231
>>439238
>>439241
>>430950
Look at any Buddha statue.
>>439245
>>439250
>>439251
>>439254
>>439255
last one
>>439250
I like how you can tell that some of these are just based on hearsay
>"And they've got monkeys and shit climbing on the railings! Emus on the streets! It's a goddamn zoo over there!"
>>430960
>literally the happy merchant
>>431255
early van gogh is like a reverse version of this
>>439245
That's actually a Japanese Ship called the "Red Seal Ship"
Basically, there was this Japanese Law that only ships bearing a certain Red Seal can trade with foreigners.
Also its a fuck ugly mess of European/Chinese shipbuilding.
>>438897
Because it's cute
>>439279
oh fuck you're right
do you by any chance know why japs and chinese were building a fucking fort on their ships?
>>439295
Probably the same reason Europeans did it
>>439295
These things? These were Japanese ships. Though older Chinese river warships had the sameish design.
These are really just warships. Served no other purpose than to fight coastal battles. The Japs practiced boarding based naval combat for quite a long time, strangely never bothering to use naval artillery in a widespread manner. As such, Japanese wanted to have every advantage in boarding other motherfuckers' ships and therefore built their ships high.
Of course, the problem is
1) They were big targets for cannons.
2) Other Japanese ships were as high.
>>439304
slightly different tho
>>439330
I'm guessing that particular vessel is a flagship, and was mainly built to look impressive.
>>439330
That's the Nihonmaru. An unusually large "Atakebune," which is a type of Japanese ship that is, well, like that: floating forts. Its the only ship with a name in Japan. Asians arent big in naming ships really. They're usually called after their commanders.
It was well and nice for boarding other ships but during the 1500's - the age of Naval Gunnery- it just became a big target. The Nihonmaru was Japan's Flagship during the Invasions of Korea and only had one battle under its belt: Myeongyang. It was holed and was subsequently sent home before it became a national embarassment by sinking.
>>439266
Point out to me which one of these ethnic groups is the "real Indian" real quick. Thanks bud.
[spoiler]All nations are invented, India being one of them. The fact that you think "Indian" is a singular ethnicity points to your ignorance.[/spoiler]
>>433541
WE
WUZ
GOOKS
>>439295
Pre-cannon warfare, and they weren't into the ramming thing so much
>>439361
You're the ignorant by using 21th century borders to back your argument, when the discussion was of historical nature from the start.
>>432919
Flying tiger stomping on Japanese soldier
There's a pretty lulzy japanese biography of Napoleon, written not long after his death. It had lots of weird illustrations, that could mostly be described as "how Japanese imagine European courts and their customs". I remember one picture depicting Napoleon roasting a British ambassador on fire (it was probably a misinterpretation of the execution of duke d'Enghien), and one portraying the return of Emperor's remains to France, with the carriage contaninig his coffin looking like chinese palanquin emblazoned with letter N.
Also, the you could really see Japan's superiority complex seeping through the descritpions.
>>439295
Problem whitu piggu?
Massive ships were only generally used for coastal or river battles. They'd break apart in open sea on a rough day.
>>439266
You should really review what 'nationality' and 'ethnicity' mean before embarrassing yourself further. The state of India was invented by the Brits when they agreed to leave and drew a line between it and Pakistan, Burma, Sri Lanka, etc. Of course, local agitators and politicians in each successor state lobbied for boundary lines and power, but this is all very much 20th century nation-state ideology at work.
All nations are invented as anon already stated.
>>439398
Historically just the same: 'Indian' isn't an ethnicity. You can save your pride by agreeing that it might be considered a grouping of ethnicities. Even then, there is no one single monolithic 'Indian' identity.
>>439361
every ethnic except the mon khmers = south east asian jungle chink and tibetan-burmese = north east asian chink
>>431282
I can confirm that they really weren't happy. Here's a pic of Perry bowing in front of a samurai.
>manlets
>>441125
D E S I G N A T E D
>>440755
Silly anon the northeasterns clearly aren't Indians
>>439266
Indian is not an ethnicity retard. It's an invented nation by the British.
>>442021
>there was no pan indian identity before the british
>>442035
Nope.
>>442035
you do realize without the british your whole subcontinent would be muslim right now
>>440755
>>442067
There was a clear pan-indian identity before the british. It just didn't coincide with the modern borders of India, and therefore some fusspots may want to use a diferent adjective rather than indian to call it since "indian" is an exonym (but it is for both modern and ancient India).
Anyways, the majority of the peoples that inhabit in the seven sisters traditionally before the brittish annexation have not belonged to the indian cultural continuum and have not belonged to anything that can be identified as an indian identity or proto-identity like other parts of India and Pakistan did. Those peoples in those seven states aren't more indian that the burmese and the peoples under burmese rule, who were also part of british India.
This is what people means when they say "they're not indian", and denying it mindlessly for the sake of modern ideologies of integration nuances our understanding of the history of that region. It's as bad as applying to our vision modern indian nationalism (which this time is, indeed, something constructed after the british conquest).
>>442035
Certainly no toilet pan identity hohohoho
>>439225
that posh fucker on the right is thinking
>lmao manlets
>>439415
Do you know the name by any chance?
>>438079
That looks amazing, almost comic-style.
>>439231
![NapoleonStHelenaJapanesePrint[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SILpczz.jpg "NapoleonStHelenaJapanesePrint[1].jpg")
>>442277
I found one of the illustrations from this book on Wikipedia (depicting Napoleon on St. Helena), but everywhere it's only described as "contemporary Japanese book by an unknown author".
>>431171
He's kneeling
>>442388
Thanks for the effort man
>>442106
>There was a clear pan-indian identity before the british.
Yea, but not really. Certainly not in a 'let's unify our states!" kind of way. That is a very 20th century ideal (starting in the late 19th century, as the idea of nation-states also swept Europe). As ethnic cousins of sometimes related cultures, yea maybe. I doubt the average illiterate hereditary gutter cleaner in Karachi really felt he ought to be in a single state with his 'brethren' in Madras or Cox's Bazar.
It was the British unifying (most of) the subcontinent that eventually led to some Indians saying "You knowing vhat Sanjay, vee could probably doing this ourselves". Mixed results, but yea. Apart from the occasional clay gains megalomania now and then from certain leaders and dynasties, most (or what we call today) Indians would never have conceived themselves as needing to be in a unified state or as the 'same people', which most Indians today would certainly not even say.
I've been Sikkim and met some northeasterners in Calcutta too. Most aren't Hindu, but when you see Asian-looking folks wrapped in saris and with bindis and full-on Indian accents, it is kind of amusing.
>>443373
I must unite the Indian peoples under one flag!
t. Mohandas Gandhi
>>438897
Because bad teeth
