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> “The displacement of class politics by identity politics has been very confusing to older Marxists, who for many years clung to the old industrial working class as their preferred category of the underprivileged. They tried to explain this shift in terms of what Ernest Gellner labeled the “Wrong Address Theory”: “Just as extreme Shi’ite Muslims hold that Archangel Gabriel made a mistake, delivering the Message to Mohamed when it was intended for Ali, so Marxists basically like to think that the spirit of history or human consciousness made a terrible boob. The awakening message was intended for classes, but by some terrible postal error was delivered to nations.”
― Francis Fukuyama, Political Order and Political Decay: From the Industrial Revolution to the Globalization of Democracy
Inside every revolutionary there is a policeman
– Gustave Flaubert.
>>430031
>Just as extreme Shi’ite Muslims hold that Archangel Gabriel made a mistake, delivering the Message to Mohamed when it was intended for Ali
Can angels even fuck up in Islam? I thought they had no free will.
I'm reading this right now. It's interesting and a little less high horsey than End of History although Fukuyama still on occasion reads like he takes writing tips from some of the more pretentious undergrads he has taught.
>>430031
Damn I seriously need to read this guy
>>430247
He's great, even though End of History is pretty much disproved at this point.
>>430280
He first became famous for the prediction that the changes in the Soviet Union and later the end of the Cold War meant DEMOCRACY EVERYWHERE. Which, let's be honest, was not the case then and is not the case now. There was however a brief flurry of enthusiasm for his predictions in the early 2010s.
>>430313
I genuinely like both him and Huntington, in spite of both of them having monster truck sized holes in their arguments and even being reviled by some of their critics. The most interesting theoreticians of history and politics are usually those whose arguments lend themselves to the most obvious critiques.
>>430187
>Angels have no free will
Explain Iblis, then.
Also, angels have an interesting role in Islam. They hold a higher status than humans but humans are repeatedly acknowledged to have been gifted with better intuition and spirituality than angels. Part of Iblis' fall is his refusal to acknowledge that.
>>430316
>He first became famous for the prediction that the changes in the Soviet Union and later the end of the Cold War meant DEMOCRACY EVERYWHERE
I know what he wrote generally.
I still find the need to read him nonetheless
I think he would be the type of guy I would 50% agree and 50% completely disagree
>>430343
Iblis is a classified as a geenie, not as an angel.
Smokeless fire
>>430363
Isn't neocon and neolib pretty much the same thing?
Where I live it's seen as a pretty much the same thing.
>>430365
Neocon is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s and flourished 2000s.
Fukuyama began to distance himself from the neoconservative agenda of the Bush administration, citing its excessive militarism and embrace of unilateral armed intervention, particularly in the Middle East.
Why is FF the most relevant theorist of the 21st century?
You can tell idiots by their knee-jerk reactions to the End of History thesis
>Blood alone moves the wheels of history.
>Lenin is an artist who has worked men, as other artists have worked marble or metals. But men are harder than stone and less malleable than iron. There is no masterpiece. The artist has failed. The task was superior to his capacities.
>Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day.
>Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five per cent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.… National pride has no need of the delirium of race.
>Thirty centuries of history allow us to look with supreme pity on certain doctrines which are preached beyond the Alps by the descendants of those who were illiterate when Rome had Caesar, Virgil and Augustus. [referring to the Nazis]
>This is the epitaph I want on my tomb: "Here lies one of the most intelligent animals who ever appeared on the face of the Earth."
>War is the normal state of the people.
>The Socialists ask what is our program? Our program is to smash the heads of the Socialists.
Mussolini was a quote machine
>>430754
How him and Hitler were able to be allies, is beyond me sometimes
>>430791
They were both edgy autocrats who went against the Western establishment and wanted to conquer shit. It was a strategic alliance, since they had few other allies but had ambitions that would surely cause war.
But in a lot of ways, they disagreed and differed. Mussolini and the Fascists were critical of Hitler and the Nazis before they decided to form a military pact.
>>430801
Also, Mussolini fell into the thinking that being Hitler's ally would be the way to contain Hitler.
>>430635
I may have immediately disagreed with it when I first read it and wrote an essay on it as an undergraduate, but I still recognized it as one of the most intriguing and important ideas I'd read
>>430316
>prediction
His first mistake. This is something that a historian should not be in the business of doing.
>>430280
Begun reading reading the Origins of Political Order on the bus to Uni. It's my first politcal book and in my opinion a very good read. I'm only up to the Chinese Dynasties and the Han trying to find a midpoint between the Qin and Zhou, but it's changed my view on religion and how other countries operate compared to the West.
>>431679
thanks m8
>>431650
I've got this hypothesis: if Fukuyama supplies predictions, then he isn't a historian. Therefore, we should not attend to his history on the basis of his non-disciplinary work.
>>431720
I guess I know where this thread should have been posted then.
>>431729
and humanities, etc, etc..
You know you cant have any half-decent conversation in /pol/ cmon...
>>430031
>LITERALLY Strawman: The Argument
>>431650
Some historians have moved sideways into being scholars of comparative politics or international relations, some people who've spent most of their careers have moved sideways into being historians, and there's a lot of overlap between all of them and theorists/philosophers
>>431841
Shut the fuck up faggot. PoliSci belongs on here on the humanities board, if you can't handle that maybe you should fuck off to /pol/.
>It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.
>>431778
Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal,(bringing his fist down on the table)I will rout you out!
>tfw there well never be a man like Ol' Hickory
>>431841
Come on, don't be such a fucking autist, we both know /pol/ only exists to contain the cancer.
>>431999
>over the top protectionist economic policies and forced migration of Native Americans
not okay
>>430316
>Which, let's be honest, was not the case then and is not the case now.
Maybe not in practice but American hegemony has been left unchecked in the name of "Democracy" ever since
>>432079
Both are absolutly based.
Fuck the savages, John Marshall is a faggot.
Banks have no place being at the center of government.
Why not whip the teacher when the pupil misbehaves?
>>432079
maybe if your a pussy
>>430280
No you don't he's /pol/ level retarded in his analysis of geopolitics but since he has right-wing views all the /pol/tards love him. It's similar to how Joe Rogan is beloved by many stoners because he's the philosophical thinker stoner.
>>431999
It is a very entertaining thought to imagine what would Jackson think if he saw the country today. Probably something along the lines of "well I've destroyed the financial sector once, let's do it again!"
>>432554
You're conflating two very different sets of ideas that are incapable of even the most basic dialogue if you think /pol/ would dig Fukuyama
>>432579
Some things must be destroyed for creation.
>>432585
>tfw /pol/ drove me out
>tfw I'm nothing but a piddly little traditionalist
To be fair to poor old Fukuyama, he writes something almost every anniversary explaining why 'The End of History' is wrong and he was mistaken, but you mention his name and and everyone starts laughing.
Huntingdon is retarded though, his grouping of cultures into random blobs of civilization is completely arbitrary and the theory makes no sense.
>People are allowed to make guesses unless they're experts in their field
>>432554
you sound like a gigantic pretentious idiot.
I have not allowed myself, Sir, to look beyond the Union, to see what might lie hidden in the dark recess behind. I have not cooly weighed the chances of preserving liberty when the bonds that unite us together shall be broken asunder. I have not accustomed myself to hang over the precipice of disunion, to see whether, with my short sight, I can fathom the depth of the abyss below; whose thoughts should be mainly bent on considering, not how the Union may be best preserved, but how tolerable might be the condition of the people when it should be broken up and destroyed. While the Union lasts, we have high, exciting, gratifiying prospects spread out before us and our children. Beyond that I seek not to penetrate the veil. God grant that in my day, at least, that curtain may not rise! God grant that on my visioon never may be opened what lies behind! When my eyes shall be turned to behold for the last time the sun in heaven, may I not see him shing on the broken and dishonored fragments of a once glorious Union; on States dissevered, discordant, belligerent; on a land rent with civil feuds, or drenched, it may be, in fraternal blood! Let their last feeble and lingering glance rather behold the gorgeous ensign of the republic, now known and honored throughout the earth, still full high advanced, its arms and trophies streaming in their original lustre, not a stripe erased or polluteddd, not a single star obscured, bearing for its motto, no such miserable interrogatory as "What is all this worth?" nor those other words of delusion and folly, "Liberty first and Union afterwards"; but everywhere, spread all over in characters of living light, plazing on all it sample folds, as they float over the sea and over the land, and in every wind under the whole heavens, that other sentiment, dear to every true American heart, - Liberty and Union, now and for ever, one and inseperable!
>>433784
The theory itself, that perceived differences in civilization are poison ivy on already itching cultural and national tensions, makes sense. His specific examples and illustrations are clumsy, however.
>>430031
/his/ needs more Francis Fukuyama
>>430031
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6
If they want eternal war, well and good; we accept the issue, and will dispossess them and put our friends in their place. I know thousands and millions of good people who at simple notice would come to North Alabama and accept the elegant houses and plantations there. If the people of Huntsville think different, let them persist in war three years longer, and then they will not be consulted. Three years ago by a little reflection and patience they could have had a hundred years of peace and prosperity, but they preferred war; very well. Last year they could have saved their slaves, but now it is too late. All the powers of earth cannot restore to them their slaves, any more than their dead grandfathers. Next year their lands will be taken, for in war we can take them, and rightfully, too, and in another year they may beg in vain for their lives. A people who will persevere in war beyond a certain limit ought to know the consequences. Many, many peoples with less pertinacity have been wiped out of national existence.
>>430031
>I don't think the Constitution is studied almost anywhere, including law schools. In law schools, what they study is what the court said about the Constitution. They study the opinions. They don't study the Constitution itself.
-Robert Bork.
http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/ricetalk.htm
We took this challenge before our Lord and our conscience, and it must be done, because this man, Hitler, he is the ultimate evil.
t. Claus Von Stauffenberg
>>430085
That's Ambrose fucking Bierce
>>435937
>Don't Ever Say That Again
Political Science, as a discipline, is cancer.
It fatuously uses evidence, it has poor evidential structures, it is based in large theoretical gestures that are completely unsubstantiated in evidence. Its sole purpose as a discipline is to serve the state. Its chief theoretical categories are vacuous. It has not produced results of interdisciplinary interest.
FUCK OFF TO >>>/pol/
I hate krauts who disagree with me but i hate other countries even more
t. Otto Von Bismarck
>>435964
The most grimly sane American who has ever walked the earth.
>>435964
>You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.
Sherman basically ran around the southern states telling anyone who would listen that secession was a horrible idea.
In the end, it made no difference and his hand could not be stayed.
>>437595
>It has not produced results of interdisciplinary interest.
You run into some of Robert Axelrod's stuff elsewhere
>>430635
>People around the word want democracy
>America and EU come in
>Here you go, parlimentary democracy and you vote every five years
>people still waiting for democracy.
>>436926
Religion is /his/ and /hum/, you nugget.
