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is ancient Sparta the best example of a meme state?
Athens is more of a meme. Democracy LMAO
>>422551
Athens is best remebered for some of the brightest philospophers and the creation of a new political system
what's sparta best remembered for? a battle they didn't even win and killing babies
>>422564
/thread
>>423244
>3 posters in this thread
>you're the third one
>saying "/thread" to your own post
>>422564
Sparta is remembered as the guys that kicked Athens's ass
Thebes is remembered for the guys that kicked Sparta's ass (with ass-bandits).
Macedonia is remembered as the guys that kicked everyone's ass
Who cares about Gyro-trash?
>>422547
>of a meme
>>422564
>what's sparta best remembered for?
"The Spartans were especially famous for their dry, understated wit, which is now known as "laconic humor."
>>423565
>t. mehmet
>>423535
>Sparta is remembered as the guys that kicked Athens's ass
Top kekkarooni, the invicible army that got beaten by a wall
>>423599
"However, he aroused the hostility of Sparta by ordering Athens to be re-fortified, and his perceived arrogance began to alienate him from the Athenians. In 472 or 471 BC, he was ostracised, and went into exile in Argos. The Spartans now saw an opportunity to destroy Themistocles, and implicated him in the treasonous plot of their own general Pausanias. Themistocles thus fled from Greece and was temporarily given sanctuary by Alexander I of Macedon at Pydna before traveling to Asia Minor, where he entered the service of the Persian king Artaxerxes I. He was made governor of Magnesia, and lived there for the rest of his life."
>>422547
More like muh German empire.
>>423582
that question/ answer was verbatim from one of my humanities courses in uni lol
>>423714
LOL!
>>422551
Athens isn't the Greek city-state with institutionalized pederasty.
>>423861
Except for the slaves that made up basically all the population
>>423861
>Anyone who reads also knows that spartans had one of the most equal societies in greece
Literally made democracy illegal. Do you even Thirty Tyrants, nigga?
They made JURY TRIALS illegal.
>>422547
sparta is communism turned well, until some douche changed the rules
>>423861
>one of the most equal societies in greece, as far as male/female relations went
It was still pretty shit, this is ancient Greece we're talking.
Sparta was in essence a proto-fascist society where women were only really valued for their ability to give birth. Compared to Achaemenid Persia it was pretty backwards in that regard, compared to the Scythians they were absolutely primitive.
>>424010
>Sparta was in essence a proto-fascist society where women were only really valued for their ability to give birth
Women were responsible for the day to day running of everything that wasn't the army, anon.
Homes, farms, businesses, slaves.
>>423861
>Legally? No.
That makes zero difference when unspoken and binding single law of Sparta was very simply, "If you aren't caught committing a crime, then the crime isn't committed in the first place."
>>424059
That matriarchal background isn't unique to Sparta at all though even in that time frame.
>>423999
The rules had to be changed, else they wouldnt have enough manpower to fight the Athenian coalition.
>>422547
>meme state
So one that has been repeated and replicated again and again, until it becomes a stable of language and culture, and the default status quo?
Sounds like Athens to me, and their democracy that we keep talking about and abusing to this day, despite not a single state on the planet actually employing democracy.
A true meme state.
>>424501
If Athens is a meme state then Sparta is a double meme state since Sparta became a meme when Athens got nostolgic over Sparta years after Sparta was gone.
>>424528
Okay, but Sparta's model hasnt been repeated and replicated over and over until it lost its original meaning, which is what meme stands for nowadays.
>>424535
Praytell, what is this implied Athens' model which has supposedly
>been repeated and replicated over and over until it lost its original meaning
And extrapolate, plz, no one word answer which rhymes with idiocy.
>>424601
Democracy doesnt rhyme with idiocy, you contrarian fuck.
>HOLY
>>422547
Prussia would
>Born when the leader of a Catholic Order becames Protestant
>Became relevant cause there is almost no competers in your are of influence
>Obsessed over military, yet a not so impressive military record
>Dissapeared after military defeats
>Still remembered by boos who fap to their military might
Well you can visit both cities, there's nothing to see in Sparta.
>>423861
>Sparta was one of the most equal societies in Greece
>a bloody caste system where Spartans did war, another people did all the crafts and trading and helots were the peasants
>equal
>>424634
Spartans were notorious for being miserly folk who didn't even spare words to other people. One spartan suggested the best defense for Sparta besides the spartans was to be so miserly nobody would want to take it over.
Spartans were basically warrior monks.
Every greek state did the same as sparta but sparta was the only honest one.
Plus spartas women were all athletic qts
>>424648
So Indoeuropean.
>>424603
>only perfect rhymes allowed
Fine, then.
/.../ which has phonetic similarities to idiocy.
My question and still stands, though.
>>424739
So does my answer. Democracy is the Athenian model, and it has been replicated and mutated each time, and has lost its original meaning.
Today "democracy" doesnt mean people gathering to vote on decisions, it means people gathering to vote on people who pick a person who joins other people who vote on what rules should be used to make decisions.
>>423999
>turned well
They kinda killed off their own people with over-the-top eugenics.
>>424982
he's right, tough
>>423971
Legit question:
I don't actually know much about Sparta; I assumed that it was kinda like Viking society where pretty much everyone was a farmer who occasionally raided for slaves and stuff.
Was every sparta man a warrior by profession who had slaves doing all the work?
>>425070
The Spartiates were.
There were unfree Helots who worked in the fields.
And Perioikoi who were in the middle.
>>425070
"Spartans" were ~10% of population of Laconia, doing nothing but training and waging wars. Helots were slaves who did all the work and were constantly harassed by Spartians. Every year Spartians declared war to Helots so spartian youth could then kill any helot they met just for shits and giggles. There were also free non-spartians who fared better, but had no political rights at all. So much for muh equality.
>>423971
>Implying that Athens wasn't also mostly slaves
>>425155
We are talking about Sparta, though, and it was totalitarian shithole ruled by terror and not "the most equal societies in greece".
>turned into a tourist attraction for Roman soldiers heading to the eastern front
>then helots revolt and leave
>the city falls into ruin cause no one knows basic agriculture and they pack their stuff and leave for other cities
sound like a meme state to me
>>425155
Athens did have slavery, but the social classes were much closer together like how you had in Rome with the Equestrians, Equities, and Plebeians. Sparta was literally an oligarchy that was divided into social stratas so far ranging in differences they might as well be difference races grouped together.
>>425189
Yes that honour belongs to Macedon.
>>425511
>Macedon
>Greece
Silly barbar.
>>422547
Rome had more pervasive memes.
Or are you using the retarded internet meaning of meme?
Sparta: More slaves than free men. Free men are dedicated mostly to physical training, so slaves do all the farming and mining jobs. There are regular slave rebellions. Slaves hate their masters so much that Spartans are never able to expand their conquests much because if they did their slaves would literally revolt and kill all their women and children if given their back for 1 second.
Athens: Lots of slaves, but fewer in number than free men. Athenians do get involved in most areas of work, so slaves and masters work together and they often become friends. Hardly any slave revolts are known.
>>424010
Considering the Achaemenid persians didn't like to intervene too much in the subjected peoples affairs they were unlikely to militantly enforce the lesser gender inequality they themselves practised. The situation of women in their empire would most likely depend on the previous traditions of a certain area and be radically different in central asia and judea for example.
Though I'm not really an expert on how more or less equal were the different near estern peoples compared to the greeks. The New Testament shows the jews were maybe even worst, but I've heard that egyptians had it kinda good in that sense.
>>422547
>state
Just shut up.
