Is it true Jews and Muslims used to get along reasonably well until recently?
>>416114
It's more complicated than that.
>>416114
If you consider dhimmitude, were you have to pay a special tax for existing and do not have the right to defend yourself against people attacking you, getting along reasonably well, then yeah, they did.
>>416114
Redpill me on E and S.
They look awesome
>>416144
Egoism and Secularism
No, Muslims and Jews have been on uneasy ground with each other for a while
The prophet Muhammad had very positive views on Jews and Christians because he viewed them as "people of the book" and their religions shared many things, he also lived in close proximity to many of them in Medina. However, later on he became much more hostile towards Jews for a variety of reasons especially because Muhammad believed that Jews were trying to undermine Islamic values
I'm not saying the Muslims and Jews are archenemies but they definitely weren't best buds or anything. Jews, much like other religions, still lived in Islamic cities as long as they payed a tax to worship their own religion so it's not like Islam was completely intolerant to other religions either
More or less, the Medina Charter is indicative of that though the fact the Islamic narrative describes how some Jewish Tribes betrayed the Muslims at the battle of Badr might have been a point of conflict. Then again, if there was complete mistrust between the two, Muhammed wouldn't have made his physician a Jew.
I don't think anybody got along recently well until recently.
>>416140
except your paying for the protection of the Muslims. Also, consider that Dhimmi do not have to pay Muslim taxes you can compare the Jizya to things like Zakat.
You are not allowed to participate in matters of the state though.
>>416114
I think muslims are viewed as "useful idiots" by jews.
>>418348
Its funny because this is what happens in 1984
On another thought, its hilarious that its required to read animal farm- in school, but the schools are ran by quite literal communists
>>416114
>co-exist
>did not include Buddhism
Kek
>>416114
Absolutely not.
They had a rough time in the beginning because Jews said Mohammed was full of shit, but their relationship stabilized and did a lot better than Jews did with Christians. It went to shit with the state of Israel.
>>416114
In the Levant, yes. Ashkenazim settlers came in, carved up Palestine for themselves, and pissed down everyone else's backs while telling them it was raining.
Muslims never really "got along" with anyone. They didn't believe in equality for non-Muslims but in exchange for a protection tax were generally willing to not kill them and let them handle their own affairs depending on the period or the attitude of whoever was in charge. The Arabs and Moors usually got on better with Jews and Christians but when the Turkic peoples started converting en masse and gaining power in the Muslim world things started to get pretty terrible for anyone who wasn't Muslim.
>coexist
>>416114
The jews were still paying taxes for just living on the muslim zones. The xenophobia was real but they could get along.
It wasn't just until recently that the jews fought back so everything became a real shithole.
>>416114
Muhammad had several Jewish tribes either banished or slaughtered from Medina, after they betrayed him, but ever since, Jews have been alright with Muslims, with less violent outbursts than Europe saw. Wasn't always peaceful, though, but then minorities get picked on as a matter of course in history.
Ironically enough, even in early Palestine during the advent of Zionism, people were very positive about the Jews, saying they would bring wealth and knowledge, etc. Deeming the Jews respectful people. It wasn't until after the ground was sold from underneath them and they were either killed or moved that the Palestinians started hating the Zionists. (paraphrasing Khalidi, Palestinian Identity)
>>416140
Can you portray it any more cynical?
>tax for existing
you pay that now as well.
>do not have the right to defend yourself
No, you were exempt from army duty because you paid for Muslim protection. If you're being attacked, you can defend yourself, everyone was expected to. The Qur'an can't be more clear about defensive warfare.
There's all this talk about Muhammad this or Muhammad that as if the whole history of Islam was that Muhammad lived his life and than we skip to the present day with nothing happening in between.
The fact is for the vast majority of Islam's history it got along extremely well with the Jews. When the Arabs conquered Europe & Africa to establish their Golden Age the Jews were the group that they got along with best of all. The Islamic scholastic worked with Jews to develop their theology (and to a lesser extent with the Christians). Culturally they saw themself closer to the Jews than any other race since both not only believed in one God but they also believed the God was whole and one as opposed to the Christians who believed God was 3. They also had a very style of constructing religious law. Both of their holy books are also similar with an emphasis on rightful warfare. While it is is said that Jesus is the 2nd most mentioned prophet behind Muhammad Moses has almost almost the same number of references in the Koran (I think Moses only has 10 less references).
>>416140
The tax for being a non-Muslim is actually one of the reasons the Islamic treated other religions well...or at least better than they would have been treated under say Christian rule. The Christian or Jew can avoid his tax by converting to Islam so it's in the Muslims best interest to ensure that they do not feel oppressed enough to change religion. Also the religion tax was basically a replacement for the income tax
>>419624
Muslims had their own taxes to pay, most initial conversions were either for freedom from slavery or debt relief since usury was illegal under Islamic law.
>>416114
Things went to hell after the establisment of Israel. Before that, the Muslims treated the Jews somewhat better than the Christians did.
I wouldn't necessarily say that they were so to speak religiously colorblind. Though there was a fair amount tolerance and cooperation between all three Abrahamic religions. A perfect example of this would be "Abu Ibraham Isma'il", a very distinguished and powerful Jewish chancellor in 11th century Granada. Isma'il left such a legacy in the predominantly Muslim andalusia in fact, that for very time brief his grandson was king of Granada.
I would suggest reading "Infidel Kings and Unholy Warriors: Faith, Power, and Violence in the Age of Crusade and Jihad" by Brian Catlos. It delves even further into the interfaith relations of the medieval Mediterranean, as well expelling the "east vs west" rhetoric that's commonly associated with the middle ages.
>>416114
If by recently you mean the late middle ages than yeah
>>419598
>Ironically enough, even in early Palestine during the advent of Zionism, people were very positive about the Jews, saying they would bring wealth and knowledge, etc. Deeming the Jews respectful people. It wasn't until after the ground was sold from underneath them and they were either killed or moved that the Palestinians started hating the Zionists. (paraphrasing Khalidi, Palestinian Identity)
>citing Rashid Khalidi
One reason that the earlier locals were ok with Jewish settlements was that they were literally different people from the ones who were expelled at 1948. The majority of Arabs who fought against the Jews were relative newcomers who immigrated to Palestine since the 1920s and who settled in the Galilee the coastal area, where you'd see the big part of the violence in 1947-1948 which did not pertain to fending against external armies.
I'm pretty sure that in the course of time less and less christians and jews lived in the middle east. Some places are nearly 100% or even 100% muslim today. Saudi Arabia for instance.
So, where did all those christians and jews go? And why did they left?
>>419778
>So, where did all those christians and jews go?
To the big Communion/Synagogue in the sky.
If we just look at Palestine, this is true, until the Eternal Anglo swept in, gave half-arsed promises to everyone, then let them kill each other.
>>419778
Where did all the pagans of Europe go? And why did they left?
Protip: they didn't.
>>419778
They mostly converted
>>418243
Wow you found the opinion of one Rabbi. Stop the presses, we have a true genius over here!
First try to get the Muslim and Muslim to get along
Believe it or not. Islam was considered by many historians of mohamad's time to be a sub-group of christianity. They accepted everything about Jesus, the immaculate conception. The only thing they believed was that he wasn't God incarnate. Mohammad himself was taught Christianity by priests and monks. He dwelt in Christianity and then he goes back to his mentors and says look at the faith that came to me by being visited by Gabriel and listening to the holy spirit. Mohammad wanted to convert his religious teachers that converted him to Christianity from Paganism. His mentors said look mohammad I like what you did here, you believe your thing but please let us believe our own.
