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Can someone give me a historical analysis of why post-war Detroit failed so spectacularly? Like the social, economic, political, etc. reasons why things got as bad as they did? Was the start of the decline the 1967 riots or did it begin earlier/later?
Basically what went wrong?
Here's some footage of the 1967 riots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlQRfIzI4FA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrFoNG-X8F8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbABGhefGQE
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>>415130
In what sense though? Demographics can't be the only factor.
>>415107
>blacks in first video so eloquent they make #blacklivesmatter look like retards
what the fuck happened in public discourse?
I literally don't know any black people IRL who speak as well as any of these ghetto dwelling individuals in the fucking 60's.
what the fuck.
>>415107
After WWII the US auto industry was in a good position. It got through the war not only unscathed, but strengthened through war production. All of it's rivals were devastated by war, bankrupt or could be bought out (Canada). As such it could dominate through sheer bulk of product. Even so it's leadership still focused on the US market and what would appeal/be profitable there: big cars with big powerful engines that needed to be replaced every four years on average. This also meant that they would keep WWII era equipment in service for a long time as they saw no need to upgrade
But then Germany and Japan recovered and began building their own cars using the most modern technology to produce them in quantity. They were smaller than US cars but had their own advantages (fuel economy, reliability, light weight and similar). They beat US cars in their home markets and made inroads elsewhere, including the US market. The higher ups thought that Americans for a combination of standing preferences and nationalism would keep buying US cars.
Then there were oil shortages and Americans flocked to buy Japanese and German cars. The bubble burst and sales of US cars fell like a brick during the late 70s and 80s, this did nothing for the reputation of US cars btw.
>>415107
Workers might have been attracted by the greater opportunities but they are still in a precarious position. You can do the math, a home costs several times the annual surplus a worker can generate, this is just housing alone, it does not include the cost of new infrastructure and businesses. Moving itself is costly. Economic fluctuations can result in a lot of people being left high and dry and their dreams crushed. Black folks were on the bottom of the heap, they might blame too much on racism today but they were actually being pigeonholed in the 50s and 60s so if anyone was going to riot they would be the first to do so.
As the auto industry declined everyone of note left, leaving behind those trapped in the cycle of poverty.
>>415156
Do you know why US car production ended up being centralized in Detroit?
It fell in the late 70s but could it also have started to face heavier competition in the 60s, increasing poverty in the Detroit slums?
>>415130
/thread
>>415137
It can.
>>415156
Was the proportion of cars being imported to the US from foreign manufacturers in the 1960s and 1970s really significant enough to undermine the domestic market to a critical extent? I would think that imports never accounted for more than 20% of the auto industry at the most.
>>415197
CITIZENS
>>415144
Black culture is pretty toxic m8. Even prominent black people say they need to stop bitching, stop glorifying acting like idiots and work harder.
Except the fucking crab mentality of the ghetto just ends up with those people being called "uncle toms"
>>415130
>>415204
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>415271
Keep an open mind
http://www.amren.com/news/2012/05/escape-from-detroit-the-collapse-of-americas-black-metropolis-by-paul-kersey/
>>415193
>Do you know why US car production ended up being centralized in Detroit?
It was good spot for logistics, had most of suppliers and subcontractors in the area. For logistics there were lakes, rivers and railroads to supply raw material and to ship out finished products.
>It fell in the late 70s but could it also have started to face heavier competition in the 60s, increasing poverty in the Detroit slums?
Increasing poverty in Detroit slums is more about local politicians fucking up everything and companies packing their stuff and setting up new factories elsewhere with lower taxation. That led to tax base being eroded and further tax increases, that caused middle class and white working class to move into suburbs or elsewhere with better job opportunities. White flight and race to bottom. Sure foreign competition was a major factor, but there were even important things going on.
Government policies and intervention. Also unions.
>>415269
I'm not African American but a minority from a European country. The most toxic concept is so called "acting white" or whatever the equivalent happens to be. It's basically glorified anti-intellectualism, anti-trying-in-school, anti-obeying-the-law, anti-dressing-formally and so on.
>>415280
>amren.com
lol no
>>415680
>Attacking the source, rather than the content
This is called argumentum ad hominem, FYI.
>>415107
Capitalism
>>415440
>Also unions.
>Americans actually think this way
Funny how when unions are weak or non-existent the country is always worse off economically. I bet the wobblies caused the 2008 depression too :^)
>>415743
The "wobblies" haven't been relevant since 1919.
>>415130
Except this is bullshit.
Ask yourself why are there only blacks in Detroit now and you might find the root of the problem.
>>415750
No shit
>>415752
Why is white flight inherently bad to you? Were there not valid reasons for it at the time?
>>415765
The whites left because the car industry went tits up. Only nigs were left because they couldn't afford to move, you can see a similar pattern in Cleveland or St. Louis.
>>415774
I don't think there's a single city that didn't experience white flight.
the big thing was that the price of oil rose and Japan learnt how to make cars which could run on less fuel, undercutting the US market.
Then there was the fact that the city's tax base moved to suburbs where they didn't have to pay tax to the more deprived areas, which actually happened in almost every US city but was somewhat amplified in Detroit which was already a very segregated city, racially and economically.
>>415743
You do realize that Unions in Michigan are a business, just like anything else, right?
They choke the profitability for the workers out of any industry they attach to in order to make money for the men at the top. It's not run by workers, it's run by stockholders and lawyers.
>>415781
Most did, but all in different degrees. Pittsburgh for example is only 20% black and not 90%. Detroit was just too much of a jobless shithole and that's the reason why white people left.
tldr
>the unions / industry outsourcing ruined the city
>only blacks were left and they ruined it even further
I genuinely wish they just nuked that hellhole from the orbit or something.
>>415233
>>415798
I'm talking about the 1960s and 1970s. Also most of the "foreign" cars sold in America today are also built in America, which obviously wasn't the case back then.
>>415765
>>415796
>Implying Detroit wasn't already mostly segregated before white flight
the Ford company was big on racism and designated areas of the city where blacks couldn't live, notably Dearborn. When those all white middle class neighbourhoods such as Grosse Pointe or Livonia were being built it was during a time where property developers could still outright ban black people from moving there.
If you look at Detroit's layout you see these huge highways going straight into the city centre from the outer suburbs, these suburbs and these highways were both planned by Ford who also used them as barriers between the 'white' and 'black' neighbourhoods. Even demolishing black neighbourhoods to make way for the roads and to seperate them from the white neighbourhoods next door
It is a little bit disengenious to cite the racial makeup of the city of evidence of white flight caused by the riots when really the city was already pretty segregated before then.
Obviously economic reasons (black people just werent paid enough to move out) and social reasons (white supremacist gangs intimidated black people away from certain areas, if you read Malcolm X's autobiography he talks about how one of these gangs harrassed his family) played a part. But it's not a case of them living peacefully together until the 1960s
So are blacks incapable of prosperity without whites around?
>>415827
There's a massive difference between being segregated and being almost 100% black.
>>415833
When I say 'Detroit' I mean the entire urban area, not just the part controlled by Detroit city municipality, the story is very different when you look at the city as a whole and not just the centre
>>415271
Fact number one: That's terror.
>>415832
Yes. I wish it wasn't like that but there's no evidence saying otherwise. Look at Haiti which is independent since the early 19th century and they're pretty much the worst country in the world.
>>415789
>You do realize that Unions in Michigan are a business, just like anything else, right?
Do you realize that Unions in Michigan and everywhere else in the country were attacked by capitalists and government for being "commies" until they were forced to become business-like anti-communist entities as you describe? Even as business-like anti-socialist entities they are the only thing preventing complete relapse into pre-Roosevelt-era working relations and conditions ala the Jungle. That said even the most liberal Unions don't "choke profitability for the workers", that's literally nonsensical.
>>415832
Their incapable of prosperity without employment and capital, like every group of people. Since white people designed their socio-economics to exclude significant amounts of either from black communities (or else, you know, burned their independently successful cities to the ground), what happens is they create defacto segregated cities that are run down so you can shitpost about it outside of your containment board.
Since its inception as a major city Detroit has led the world. From trade, to transportation, agriculture, multiculturalism, industrialization, the middle class, urbanization, ethnic segregation, deurbanization, deindustrialization, the destruction of the middle class... for better or worse, Detroit is the future and always has been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCi17SEPgpc
>>415858
/pol/ may be a containment board, but Detroit is a containment city.
Also there are plenty of black American billionaires/millionaires today, why don't they contribute capital to help black people lift themselves up?
>>415845
>Lake Huron
>>415858
The US isn't the only country in the world chap.
>>415858
At least they've got their victim complexes to keep them warm at night
>>415878
Of course it is, but there's an epicness to it. Like Carthage or Troy it will always be remembered even when it's gone (arguably there already).
>>415870
>/pol/ may be a containment board, but Detroit is a containment city.
As designed by white capitalists.
>Also there are plenty of black American billionaires/millionaires today
Compared to others, not really.
>why don't they contribute capital to help black people lift themselves up?
"They" is not a homogeneous group. There are those that do and those that don't. Whether they do or don't, they usually act in class interests but even if every black millionaire acted against their class interests simply putting money into Detroit and every impoverished city doesn't change the material conditions.
>>415870
They do. You'd know that if you even bothered to do a Google search.
>>415889
On the contrary, the only people with "victim complexes" are the middle and upper-classes. Every time the lower classes voice their objectively observable oppression at the hand of the upper classes the latter cry crocodile tears and tell themselves it's not /really/ their fault they hold the wealth taken from the labor and debts of the former. There is no greater ressentiment than that of the ruling class.
globalisation and outsourcing business to developing economies
By the way, the DGI, the cuban wing of the KGB, funded the days of rage and the detroit race riots. They taught people how to make molotov cocktails and other arson tricks.
>>415925
Marxist pls go
>>415970
This sounds like total bs.
>>415925
Is that why the black guy who led the Mizzou protests is from a family with a net worth of over $20 million and has a dad who makes $8 million annually?
>>415970
Well MLK was funded by the Soviets too.
Detroit is definitely not the worst post-industrial rust belt city and I doubt it's even the worst city today, honesty I'd rather be stuck in Detroit than certain areas of Los Angeles. People just obsess over Detroit because it was framed as le american dream city in its heyday
>>416009
>not the worst rust belt city
Name a worse one. Gary Indiana?
>>416009
Of course there are many many many worse places, including in the US. But to go from the richest most prosperous city in the world to a synonym for failure... it's the highs vs. the lows that make Detroit unique.
>>415972
Proving the point.
>>415983
Assuming that the mizzou protests actually are a one man event where the one black man is a rich person doesn't change anything said. But that's not how they happened, and your harping about how protests over racism and homophobia by a dominant white middle-upper class aren't valid because there's a rich negro in the mix is pure ressentiment.
>>416026
Yes actually, also Flint
>>416030
What homophobia? The Mizou protests were over a poop swastika.
>>416026
Not sure if you'd call it 'rust belt', but Camden New Jersey is pretty widely regarded as the worst city in the US.
>>416046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD_DSYr7OyQ
>>416045
The mizzou protests were already going on when the poop swastika thing happened
>>416055
But what homophobia?
This documentary on Chicago's ghettos is worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxn9-IPJsS4
>>416093
Hasn't Chicago knocked down all its projects the last few years?
>>416105
Has it? I don't live there.
>>416109
I know these ones were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini–Green_Homes
>>416112
This documentary covers the Robert Taylor projects. I just checked and apparently all those buildings were demolished by 2007.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_Homes
>>416121
Watching it. Interesting how they break out the dollars.
Public housing was a complete and utter fucking disaster in the US and everywhere else it was ever put in place. If they'd simply given these people money (i.e. a guaranteed income) and let them manage their own lives things would have worked out far far far better for everyone in every respect, including the taxpayer.
>>415899
Because Detroit has been abandoned by the state government like a lot of run down cities.
>>416154
The way most US cities are actually a collection of independent mini cities is a large part of why they fail. People living outside of the core don't have to shoulder the tax burden of city amenities, so they fall apart. Also encourages a race to the bottom in terms of taxes (and hence services) among the micro-cities.
If Detroit was a unified city (including its suburbs) it wouldn't be the mess it is (not saying it's be fine, but it wouldn't be nearly as dysfunctional)
![Pruitt-igoeUSGS02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P5O5pv1.jpg "Pruitt-igoeUSGS02[1].jpg")
American urban blight/public housing failure general?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_SpRBXRmE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe
>>416093
>stealing government cheese
holy fuck
>>415827
Segregation is fine, as long as people still physically live in the city
When you lose 50% of your population in 50 years, how do you recover, all that housing stock just sits abandoned. Everything is abandoned because you just dont have 1.6 million people filling the homes, streets and businesses
>>416149
Is there any public housing in the US that actually worked?
>>415774
Whites left St. Louis because of black crime. There was still plenty of industry in the city.
Now the blacks are crying because whites are starting to gentrify it.
White flight = bad
Gentrification = bad
>>416278
I dunno about the US, but in my native Canada there are small community-integrated 'geared to income' public housing developments that seem fine. But the big tower block kind failed just as everywhere else.
The key seems to be integrating them in normal communities, and spreading them out.
'Show Me a Hero' is a really cool take on the subject. At least according to the show (at the end) the dispersed housing they built ended up working OK.
>>416290
There are hipsters and yuppies in Missouri?
>>416149
Simply giving people money with no strings attached can be a very bad idea
>>416306
St. Louis is a fairly liberal city. Also has one of the largest Jewish populations in the Midwest.
>>416306
Why wouldn't there be hipsters in Missouri? I live in Columbus Ohio and it's packed to the brim with them here.
>>416310
Treating people like children is worse.
If people down on their luck are given money, they can at least live in a place where they're surrounded by people who work, which means they're far likely to get a job themselves.
>>416304
Lived in a community housing in Ontario growing up. Exposure to higher income housing was pretty nice and the fact that close access to places of commerce, anemitites and good public transportation. I could take 1 bus and it would take me to the local mall which itself was connected to bus routes all over town or simply take a short walk.
>>416358
I also grew up in Ontario. My family was well off and we lived in a big house, but a lot of my friends lived in 'geared to income' townhouse projects not far away (we all walked to the same school). Didn't perceive any stigma about it as a kid. But I'm pretty sure all their parents worked; they just had a nicer place than they might otherwise have been able to afford (if you started making more money your rent went up, so at a point you'd want to move on).
Of course if they were all layabout welfare queens it probably would have been a proper ghetto.
>>415156
To add to this, lots of poor black people had moved to work in tha factories. When the car companies began to lose ground and downsize, you had a bunch of low skill workeds unemployed.
The drop in jobs also caused a loss of jobs and money for the white population. All this resulted in a decline in the price of houses.
Faced with poorer job prospects and declining home values, people who were able started to look for greener pastures.
This brought even more money out of the local businesses as the more affluent (read: white) people left. Businesses haf to fire even more people, compounding the problem. The drop in population pushed home values down even more and it was like a positive feedback loop. If your house was underwater and you didn't have a job, why stay? This also killed public services as the tax base left, leaving the city chronically undergunded.
Detroit ecperienced a huge loss of population, eventually resulting in whole parts of the city being more or less abandoned. The abandoned buildings had squatters/drug dealers/ other fringe people move in. Crime went through the roof as urban rot kicked in and voila, detroit. Huge swathes of decaying low polulated areas and an underfunded government that can't provide services when it's stretched so thin.
>>416458
There are some pretty shitty big projects in Canada. Although nothing like as bad as in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvLOT0m0yjE
>>416469
One of the great things about Canadian gun laws is that if they catch any of these goons with those guns they're going straight to prison (0% likelyhood they have gun licenses, not that you could for that machine pistol)
Democrats, black people, and industrial outsourcing.
We should import Koreans there to gentrify it.
>>416494
also heavy as fuck crackdown on organized crime.
>>416526
They'd just move to a better area/city.
Why would Koreans go to Detroit.
>>416526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvLOT0m0yjE
Go to ~20:00 to see what happens when Asians move into the ghetto
>>415858
If I had a reaction image of a guy laughing really hard Id post it, but Im on my phone so I cant.
This is a joke right?
>>416611
Not him but read up on Appalachian poverty and compare it to Black poverty.
Fun fact before media became obssessed with blacks and poverty because it attracted more viewers Appalachians were the main focus on poverty in media.
>>416651
It's still pretty awful. This is a fantastic doc:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/countryboys/view/
>>416093
Fuck me that documentary was depressing... does anyone know of similar documentaries that have the same bleak urban atmosphere?
>>416846
Pruitt-Igeo Myth.
>>415107
Unions.
>>415130
First post, nice one.
/thread
>>415144
Blm looks retarded all by itself, Hotcakes
>>416046
Used to live in New Jersey. Camden, Newark, East Orange, Passaic, Patterson, and Irvington are the worst shitholes.
Hoboken was damn near hopeless years ago but made a fine comeback and Jersey City is really improving.
>>415107
Why did Tulsa succeed?
>>417882
>Why did [a city dependent on the price of oil being high] succeed whilst [a city dependent on the price of oil being low] fail?
>>415107
>blacks
>unions
>government
all three became corrupt
Detroit wasn't unique, dozens of American cities suffered the same decline. It's called the "Rust Belt."
>>419983
Yes, Detroit was just the prime example. One can argue that Youngstown, Ohio or Gary, Indiana suffered even more.
>>415699
While ad home are usually inappropriate this is one of the exceptions.
![51MhnjTm5VL._SX323_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PYqED3q.jpg "51MhnjTm5VL._SX323_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg")
This book might be worth a read.
>Clemens's life has been shaped by three powerful factors: his autoworker father's rock-solid decency and fair-mindedness; a good Catholic education through high school (and natural bookishness); and the experience of growing up as a white kid in a black city. This last aspect forms the basis of Clemens's probing, insightful memoir. In 1973, Clemens's birth year, Coleman Young became Detroit's first black mayor and reigned for 20 years thereafter. During that time, the city lost half its population and nearly all its white citizens, and became the murder, arson and unwed mother capital of the non-warring world, with enough crime, corruption and lack of common sense at government levels to classify as a Third World city. Is such a statement racist? Clemens wrestles with that question, using his own life experience, especially in high school sports, and his obsessive reading of James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison, Malcolm X, Faulkner, Flannery O'Connor and even Coleman Young. He concludes that he is not a racist—he's in fact become a middle-class liberal. Though Clemens retains doubts, he seems as fair in his self-analysis as his much-loved father, and despite some scares, he has not yet abandoned Detroit.
>>420674
>He concludes that he is not a racist—he's in fact become a middle-class liberal.
>there is a difference
>>420690
I thought that was pretty funny and also typical.
>>416186
based scene from a based movie
>>416306
There are both those things in every state, in varying amounts.
>>416186
St. Louis has to be the ugliest city in the US, bar none. I've been to Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Milwaukee etc and none of them were as eye-scratchingly ugly as St. Louis.
Do you know that movie Escape from New York? It's supposed to be set in a future devastated, war-torn, half abandoned New York City turned into a penal conoly full of murderers, rapists and trash. They shot the film in St. Louis and didn't actually have to change a thing.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/003897-root-causes-detroit-s-decline-should-not-go-ignored
Overwhelmingly the fault of bad government policies which lead to rioting and a mass exodus of businesses and middle to upper class families
>>420674
Detroit is majority black but like black city implies that at the time blacks were the majority in the economy and businesses.
>>421891
I mean for its pre 60's time
>>421842
Yeah I live here, it's pretty awful. It's sad how much of the downtown area is made up of abandoned houses and warehouses. The only nice things about this city are the Arch, Forest park, and the Zoo.
>>415269
I never understood how "Uncle Tom" became an insult when said character was brutally beaten to death by not ratting out his fellow slaves. I read Uncle Tom's Cabin as a kid and it always perplexed me that it was used to label a "race traitor".
>>417677
Why the fuck does NJ have so many cesspools?
>>422481
>I never understood how "Uncle Tom" became an insult when said character was brutally beaten to death by not ratting out his fellow slaves. I read Uncle Tom's Cabin as a kid and it always perplexed me that it was used to label a "race traitor".
It's primarily due to the traveling shows very (very) loosely based on Uncle Tom's Cabin which sprang up, particularly in the South, after the Civil War. These shows exaggerated characters and storylines and basically made Uncle Tom to be the ~perfect loyal slave~ who dies for his Master, rather than a character who is sold by his "kind master" and eventually dies after being beaten to death.
>>422500
It was heavily industrialized in the 19th and 20th centuries and as the decades passed things changed for the worst with economic changes and some places still haven't made a comeback.
Take for example where i lived in Hudson County, That was the home of the embroidery industry for the US and there were 25 mills in an area not more than 2 1/2 by 1 mile. I worked in the very last one in the early 90s. All were long gone along with the shipyards, the factories, the railroads, etc, etc, to one extent or the other. So if you are an ordinary joe blow on the street, what the hell are you supposed to do?
Where my family is at is now a decent place but it took damn near 30 years for it to get back to where one can say it's a good to live and raise a family. Back in the 80s though, i used to advise new immigrants to get a job, save money, and move. We were that fucked.
>>415699
It's called a shitty, biased source.
So, digging a little deeper from the super shallow "it's poor and there are black people therefore black people are the problem" logic, the issue with Detroit was that it was a victim of itself. It became reliant on the auto industry and textiles. Foreign cars started to run up against American cars, and started to squeeze manufacturing. Many American automakers eventually died out, or got absorbed by the Big Three. Manufacturing was also outsourced to other regions and countries, further depriving Detroit. Add to this white flight that had been happening since the 50s by the introduction of the highways which funneled the whites and the wealthier blacks out of the city into surrounding suburbs, and you get the rather black heavy, impoverished Detroit.
Or it could just be blacks. Because fuck critical thinking.
>>422659
This basically.
And it happened at quite a number of places also. Anyone want a good read on the changes of that period and beyond get the book or pdf "The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger"
![1967+Detroit+Riot+(2)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GJsAfMA.jpg "1967+Detroit+Riot+(2)[1].jpg")
Was there any pattern or logic to the destruction in Detroit in 1967?
>>422827
>whitey blaming the colored peoples for whitey making shitty cars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Vincent_Chin
>>415107
Because of general trade policies and economics causing a crash of the bloated manufacturing industry which was it's prime source of vitality.
>>422533
Even in the original he was pretty creepy in a way.
>>415899
>Yeah all dem white capitalists suuuurrree are evil
>but you cant refer to black millionaires as a homogeneous group...
>whites can be grouped together for shaming
>blacks arent a monolith tho...
The hypocrisy is too much man.
>>423853
But Thomas Sowell is clearly an Uncle Tom and a house nigger and everyone defending him is from /pol/.
>>415107
mitt romney's dad in first video starting at 4:29
>>422695
>The Box
This has been in my queue for a while.
>>415107
a lot of these black people look whiter than they do today. is it cause they were more closely descended from white slaveholders or is it just in my head?
>>415107
The unions and government were becoming a goddamn mess and the local industry suffered and then when the white population started to NOPE out of there as the coons came a-knockin' they took their money with them and that triggered a cascading social and fiscal collapse.
>>415107
someone from detroit here
niggers happened
anyone that tells you anything else is lying, doesnt know any better, or both
if you still think black people are capable of acceptable integration, youre wrong. we need to get rid of them. homogeneous communities are always the best. everyone is happiest, that is what is most important.
i dont expect you to believe me that you are deluded, but you will not believe anybody. you would have to grow up and experience it youxcels, otherwise you would be a philosopher, and you are definitely not one of those.
>>423909
But Detroit is almost completely homogenous. Homogenously black.
Is the problem heterogeneity, or is it black people?
>>415850
Which is why all the manufacturing jobs stayed in the US instead of moving overseas where unions don't exist right?
>>415107
A collection of things
A dwindling Influx of jobs when the auto industry started moving in the 80s
Corruption in the office for at least 30 years
Race riots. (There's been 3)
Low income housing trials and forced integration.
My grandfather was in the riots and talked about how the police.used to detain niggers causing shit and fuck them up with cattle prods in the holding cells.
There's a lot of reasons why Detroit got Fucked, but a lot of it has to do with poverty and self segregation.
>>416846
Gangland, Bloods and Crips: Made in America.
>>423928
its also why jobs also moved to anti-labor south as well
>>423144
>detroit mostly black
>its the white people that chimp the fuck out
>>423952
>whitey dindu nuffin
>>415107
The better question is why didn't the US government protected its local automotive industry? Exactly like the Japs and germans do.
>>424526
They did it was called the Interstate Highway Act of 1956. If you mean protective tariffs then yeah I guess they could have done more on that front.
>>415858
You obviously know nothing of the history of Haiti, right? No whites there to "keep us down". How did that turn out?
Reminder: pre independence Haiti was one of the wealthiest places in the Caribbean.
PS: You might as well explain Liberia away too.
t. European with none of your stupid american racial baggage
>>415899
Oh, you're a communist. That explains a lot, actually.
>>415156
>But then Germany and Japan recovered and began building their own cars
Americans are responsible for this.
>>425172
Well, sorry for that, maybe you should just have genocided the rest of the world to protect your fucking economy, you assholes.
Yes I mad. No one talks about your people and your country like that, about destroying you in such a off-handed way.
>>425188
Dude, I'm not American, Japanese, or German.
>>425204
Shit... you sure? It sounded like something an American would say.
Well, sorry about that.
Ford had the opportunity to acquire VW for *NOTHING* after WW2 (as reparations), and Toyota for a song (its founder worship Ford and wanted to be acquired).
>>425219
I studied Manufacturing, Americans influenced both Japanese and Germans with Process models like 6Sigma et cetera
>>425266
>6Sigma
Bad choice.
> Pre War
Taylor and Ford
LEAN
> Post War
Deming had a huge effect on Management with TQM, TQM helped Toyota coupled with LEAN, made Toyota the best car manufacturer in the world.
>>425333
who are you quoting?
>>415144
> blacks in first video so eloquent they make #blacklivesmatter look like retards
> what the fuck happened in public discourse?
> I literally don't know any black people IRL who speak as well as any of these ghetto dwelling individuals in the fucking 60's.
> what the fuck.
Pre-1970s Black-American society wasn’t much different (outside of average income) then White-American society of the time; couples got married, dad had a job, mom was a housewife, kids went to school, etc. Blacks were a lower income version of Leave it to Beaver.
In fact, Blacks prior to the 1970s were far more conservative and family oriented then Whites, with Black crime rates, out-of-wedlock births, drug abuse and other negative metrics being on-par or lower then White rates.
It was only with the advent of LBJ’s “Great Society” (which utterly destroyed the Black family) that Black-American culture went to shit and became what it is today.
>>415156
> the US auto industry
48 year old here, born and raised in metro Detroit (and still here) and the myth that the 1973 Oil Crisis destroyed American manufacturing and along with NAFTA later caused the fall of Detroit, is a load of politically correct bullshit.
The fact is, there is still a shit load of manufacturing in Detroit (it’s what we do) and it was still there in the 1960s-70s and from the 70s onward, thousands of Blacks were hired by the auto industry (due to political pressure) to the point that if you were to take a tour today of say, the Dodge City truck plant, you’d see well over half the highly paid unionized employees are Black.
In comparison, when my dad got hired by GM in 1965 and started working at their Tech Center in Warren (just outside of Detroit) there weren’t ANY Black employees in the entire one square mile facility, even the janitors were White.
>>415850
>>415743
The reason why people tend to distrust Unions in America was because they were heavily infiltrated by the Mafia.
This combined with a general red scare has led to a permanent distrust of Unions.
The poor/working class don't like them because they were (and some still are) operated by the Mafia. The middle/upper classes don't trust them because of the Reds.
The Unions did it to themselves when they got taken over by the Mafia. Just shameful really.
Unions are making a (somewhat) comeback in some white collar jobs. They are going to die though for the most part.
Additional reading for those interested:
http://www.justice.gov/criminal-ocgs/infiltrated-labor-unions
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303496804579365273520794400
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/recycled/2008/06/why_the_mafia_loves_garbage.html
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,155417,00.html
>>423585
How so? It's been about 10 years since I read it, but I just remember him being more or less a kindly old dude who got fucked over a lot.
>>425188
>I have no idea what the Marshall Plan was because I'm an illiterate retard
>better start indignantly knee-jerking
>>415827
> Implying Detroit wasn't already mostly segregated before white flight
Of course it was, the entire country back then (and still pretty much today) was segregated to various levels.
The issue with Detroit was the change in demographics from WWII onward. In the run-up to the war, thousands of Blacks (as well as Whites) moved up from Down South for the well paid manufacturing jobs * and in the post-war boom, this population transfer continued.
White Flight (as opposed to the general movement of Whites to the ‘burs) didn’t start to happen until after the 1967 Riot and become a tidal wave with the election Coleman Young as mayor in 1973, as one of his first acts as Mayor of Detroit was lowering the residency requirement to receive welfare to only 6 months and as you can guess, this resulted in a flood of Blacks from Down South who only had to crash on relative’s or friend’s couch for a while and then they could get a whole raft of welfare benefits, including housing subsidies.
Coinciding with this, was the Fair Housing Act of 1968 which was designed to eliminate the practice of “Red Lining”, where real-estate agents would direct Black home buyers away from White neighborhoods, banks would refuse home loans and where Whites frequently had perfectly legal clauses in house titles banning the sale to Blacks (or Jews).
In addition, due to the 1967 Riot and the “STRESS police”, Detroit police couldn’t / wouldn’t deal with Black crime, as cops feared losing their jobs and pensions (or even going to jail) on charges of “racism” if they actively went after Black crime.
cont.
>>425992
So what ended up happening, was a flood of Blacks moving into White neighborhoods, where due to generous welfare benefits, they didn’t have to get jobs and simply waited until their White neighbors left for work, whereupon the Blacks would rob their house and when the Detroit cops were call by the home owners, they wouldn’t do jack shit about it.
At that point, just about every White in Detroit got the fuck out…
Detroit was literally a “worker’s paradise”, damn near everybody had high paying union jobs with excellent benefits and a pension coming their way upon retirement. My mom worked in the meat packing industry making hot dogs and such and she was unionized, my God-mother worked in a Chatham’s grocery store deli and she was unionized, pretty much all my friend’s dads were unionized.
From WWII to the 1970s, (union membership peaked in 1973) Detroit was the high tech capital of the planet and arguably the best place in the world to live and raise a family.
FIN
>>425667
>with Black crime rates, out-of-wedlock births, drug abuse and other negative metrics being on-par or lower then White rates.
Nice meme
>>426007
Still 20% is a hell of a lot better than what it became after the 1960s.
>>426007
That 10% increase over White rates is perfectly reasonable considering the economic situation Blacks faced back in the day but there is no way in hell Blacks can blame the current rate, where 70% of children born out-of-wedlock (40% higher then Whites) on White racism or economics nowadays.
That’s wholly the fault of the fucked up post-1960s Black-American society.
Blacks have nobody to blame by themselves and the same goes for their sky-high murder rate, where literally half the murders in the U.S. are committed by young Black men.
>>426205
>Good explanation, thanks. Is there any truth to the claim that Detroit is now becoming a tolerable place to live in again?
It's better then was and White people can enjoy the commercial downtown area (i.e. theaters, sports arenas, restaurants and brew pubs and such) without really worrying about Blacks robbing and killing them, but the surrounding residential neighborhoods (except for a few tiny high-dollar areas) are still wholly Black and remain complete shit holes where nobody (including Blacks) would ever want to actually live.
>>425164
Haiti and Liberia were two different cases dumbass.
>>426226
>let's ignore the Crack epidemic and the Drug war.
>>426276
>let's ignore the Crack epidemic and the Drug war.
Crack didn't show up until the mid-1980s and Detroit was already without a doubt a 3rd world shit hole by then.
I ought to know, I was born in Detroit in 1967 and graduated high school (in the suburbs) in 1986.
>>426276
>everything else but the blacks are to blame
>>426264
Both ruled by black people since independence in the 19th century. I'd say they are very comparable.
>>417677
Can confirm Passaic being shit. I rememeber crime got really bad once the trains stop going through. And Paterson is just a tragedy. So much potential wasted. What sucks is that most people that are born there, never leave the state because they can't function elsewhere.
>>425992
you expect us to believe that the police were afraid of being called racist in 1967?
>>426538
Of course not.
They were afraid of being murdered by some random Black on the street after being labelled a threat to criminal activity or being sued.
>>426538
>you expect us to believe that the police were afraid of being called racist in 1967?
The cops were scared of getting fired and losing their pensions, or ending up in prison if they were accused of "racism", so they pretty much just showed up after the crime (purposely) and wrote down the details and just walked away. No investigation was done, as everybody involved knew it was Blacks but nobody would risk their job taking it any further.
White people throughout Detroit were being mugged and/or having their homes burglarized by Blacks on a weekly basis and there was nothing they could do except leave the city (selling their homes for pennies on the dollar).
I remember being a little kid and going with my Dad to a farmers market on Mound Rd in Detroit and as we were getting into the car (a 1968 Buick Skylark) I looked up and saw two young Black guys walk up to an old White couple and knock the old man down and steal the woman's purse, and this happened in broad daylight with dozens of White people standing around watching it happen.
(as you can guess, we never went to that farmers market again...)
>>426585
>>422481
>I never understood how "Uncle Tom" became an insult when said character was brutally beaten to death by not ratting out his fellow slaves. I read Uncle Tom's Cabin as a kid and it always perplexed me that it was used to label a "race traitor".
Uncle Tom's character is sketched with great power and rare religious perception. It triumphantly exemplifies the nature, tendency, and results of Christian non-resistance. It is curios to know whether Mrs. Stowe, the author, was a believer in the duty of non-resistance for the White man, under all possible outrage and peril, as for the Black man… (For whites in parallel circumstances, it is often said) Talk not of overcoming evil with good — it is cowardness! Talk not of peacefully submitting to chains and stripes — it is slavedom! Talk not of slaves being obedient to their masters — let the blood of tyrants flow! How is this to be explained or reconciled? Is there one law of submission and non-resistance for the Black man, and another of rebellion and conflict for the white man? When it is the whites who are trodden in the dust, does Christ justify them in taking up arms to vindicate their rights? And when it is the blacks who are thus treated, does Christ require them to be patient, harmless, long-suffering, and forgiving? Are there two Christs?
>>426585
>amerikan
>1972
>>423144
Disgusting
>>426612
>wow
go write a PhD or something, 4chan really ain't a circle you should be spending your energy on
>>426619
See the one where some pedophile kidnapped a 14 year-old asian boy then the boy managed to call for help but when the police came the criminal convinced the cops that the boy was a twink asian man into really kinky shit. I think they actually say the kid.
>>426681
Oh and then the man killed him.
>>425996
>So what ended up happening, was a flood of Blacks moving into White neighborhoods, where due to generous welfare benefits, they didn’t have to get jobs and simply waited until their White neighbors left for work, whereupon the Blacks would rob their house and when the Detroit cops were call by the home owners, they wouldn’t do jack shit about it.
"that sounds very plausible"
sure is /pol/ in here....
>>426226
>if I post a picture of a group, then it means I can generalise
that is not how you read history anon
>>415107
Heres the most informative documentary i have found on Detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEXLPpr2Rwg
If you are too lazy to read it basically General motors and other american car companies were making real silly decisions like building cars that were not fuel efficient enough and so they were loosing a lot of money. This made the option of out sourcing work more viable and cheap so a lot of people lost their jobs. This combined with poor infrastructure and shitty mayors resulted in the collapse of Detroit.
>>415107
Manufacturing jobs left. Anyone with money, mostly whites, left. Poor blacks stayed.
This isn't something super complex.
>>425164
Haiti is all kinds of fucked up anyway, but it certainly wasn't helped by this:
>In July 1825, King Charles X of France, during a period of "restoration" for the monarchy, sent a fleet to reconquer the island. Under pressure, President Boyer agreed to a treaty by which France formally recognized the independence of the nation in exchange for a payment of 150 million francs (reduced to 90 million in 1838).
>The enforced payment to France reduced Haiti's economy for years. Western nations did not give Haiti formal diplomatic recognition. Both of these problems kept the Haitian economy and society isolated. Expatriates bankrolled and armed opposing groups.[76] In 1892, the German government supported suppression of the reform movement of Anténor Firmin and in 1897 the Germans used gun boat diplomacy to intimidate and then humiliate the Haitian government during the Luders Affair.
>>426681
Why are white people so utterly reprehensible? What did Asian people ever do to deserve this?
>>426585
you expect us to believe that the police would have lost their job over 'racism' in 1967?
DUDE REDLINING LMAO
>>426717
Yes friend, anything that doesn't paint black people in perfect light is the /pol/ bogeyman.
>>415107
I live close to Detroit, so I can tell you a few things.
For starters, the city was burnt to the ground twice.
Unions forced auto industries to jack up the wages so high they had to lay people off just to make a profit.
Mafias and corruption of the city council played a role in the downfall.
Due to the riots, basically everyone who wasn't black left, leaving a toll on the population count and number of available workers.
That's all I've got off the top of my head.
>>425667
But how did it destroy the black family?
I fucking hate the black attitude. No matter what whites do, they're always the bad guys.
>white neighborhood
>WHY DO WANT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YOURSELF YOU RACIST BITCH?
>white/black mixed neighborhood
>LET ME FUCKING TORCH YOUR BUSINESS TO THE GROUND AND BEAT UP YOUR CHILDREN ON THE STREET, GET USED TO IT OR FUCK OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT
>whites leave
>WHY WOULD YOU ABANDON US? I HATE YOU RACIST BITCH NOW WE'RE GONNA STARVE TO DEATH AND BE NEGLECTED FOREVER ALL THANKS TO YOU, THIS IS WORSE THAN SLAVERY
>white come back
>FUCKING GENTRIFIERS DESTROYING OUR COMMUNITY! RACISM! CLASS OPPRESSION! GO TO HELL WHITE DEVILS REEEEEEE
>>428135
Welfare entitlement culture created a bunch of single mothers.
>>428146
This tbqh
>>428146
>black attitude
>not also the white left attitude
>>428191
I'd say you're right, the self-flagellating mea culpa faggots with their guilt/savior complex only add fuel to the fire.
This thread should just die it already served it's purpose.
>>428257
Why does this thread offend you so much? How is it any less relevant to the board than the other 149 threads active right now?
>>426250
Urban farming when?
>>428355
That soil is probably toxic as all hell 2bh.
>>415130
Doesn't really make sense - there are plenty of other largely black cities which haven't fallen so spectacularly from grace (Atlanta, New Orleans etc.)
Of course the economic problems which Detroit suffers are exacerbated by demographics (predominantly white areas which have suffered industrial collapse, such as northern New Jersey, haven't degenerated to anywhere near the same degree). But blaming it on race alone is reductive.
>>415440
>market failures are the government's fault
I challenge you to name a single interventionist policy which caused the decline of the American auto industry in the 1970s.
>>415458
Why don't people just obey the law (or work professionally to change it), go to school or whatever, and contribute to society? Why does race even enter into it?
I'm white and most (read: just about fucking all) of the scholarships go to minorities. My black/mexican/native buddies joke about it, but it is pretty fucked. Their grades or work ethic don't even enter into it, they check african american/hispanic/native american on a fucking sheet and they get a full ride.
I'm not saying I got dealt a shit hand, just saying that THEY didn't and I would be labeled racist as fuck if I said that in public.
Not discounting past racial crimes, they were wrong in every sense... but I had nothing to do with that and have been raised well to respect ALL people. I can't say the same for many minority families.
>>425754
I think they will make several resurgences. For many years there have been very hard pushes for unions in industries like fast food.
It's a shame the movements will be lead by fucking idiots, and do more harm than good. I actually agree with unions, but people are so dumb they don't know what they really are for. Even more shameful is that unions won't be done in by the red scare or mafia, this time the general public will do it like it's what they were born for.
>>415107
>move manufacturing overseas
>jobs go with them
>everyone wonders why we now have shitty products and no jobs
It's a fucking mystery. Capitalism is the best thing we've got atm, but it's still broken as fuck and every economist worth a damn will readily admit this.
>>426717
Detroiter here. Cops don't do Dick unless its drugs or you go to jail.that's how it is.
>>417927
Not him, but I'm genuinely interested to know why Tulsa had riots if they were doing so well?
I can see them being pissed at "whitey" for "manipulating the economy" or whatever people think, it's easy to attribute blame for such things. Why did they riot in Tulsa? I'm not privy, sadly.
>>426877
>you expect us to believe that the police would have lost their job over 'racism' in 1967?
No, they feared losing their jobs over "racism" _after_ the 1967 Riot, especially once Coleman Young was elected Mayor of Detroit in 1973.
The Detroit Police literally wouldn't do anything to control Black crime, allowing it to run rampant and this cause the White Flight out of Detroit.
>>428600
The riots were started by whites attacking and burning the black part of town you fucking retard.
Yes, whites have historically chimped out too. It was over some rumor about a black elevator attendant raping a white woman or something stupid.
Fun fact: the black part of Tulsa was quickly rebuilt and gained back it's economic strength. What killed it was ironically the end of segregation 40 years later.
>>428150
> Welfare entitlement culture created a bunch of single mothers.
Exactly, cradle-to-grave welfare gave young Black women and girls independence they wouldn’t have gotten at that age otherwise, as they’d normally have to get jobs and get married and save their money and wait to have kids.
Once a Black chick got pregnant, she immediately got a whole package of welfare benefits, including housing subsidies that allowed her to move out of her parent’s home and become independent. This is still the case today, which is why so many Black chicks get pregnant before graduating high school (or even jr.high)
And of course they couldn’t marry the guy, as that would cause a loss of welfare benefits, so Black chicks refused to name the fathers and instead created a culture of shacking up with whoever and letting welfare pay for it all.
Meanwhile, Black kids were being raised by a succession of teenage single-moms, aunties and grandmamas with no father in sight....
>>428520
>But blaming it on race alone is reductive.
It's not commonly known, but Detroit came in 2nd place in the running to host the 1968 Summer Olympics and that doesn't happen if the city is a shit hole. Yet in less than a decade after the '67 Riot, the city was a 3rd world shithole.
>>428692
>And of course they couldn’t marry the guy, as that would cause a loss of welfare benefits,
Dumbest fucking aspect of welfare. IT's almost like it was intentionally designed to destroy the black family unit and degenerate the race (it was).
>>417677
I can't believe i forgot to mention Atlantic City.
That place is so shit that when i was homeless, i got offered job and housing there and turned it down. Rather stay on the streets where i was than live in Atlantic City.
>>428692
This is the downfall of blacks in America: rewarding unwed mothers.
>>415877
>other conditions of history apply to the rest of the world
american exceptionalism much?
![1967+Detroit+Riot+(7)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SqbeFUk.jpg "1967+Detroit+Riot+(7)[1].jpg")
Why have so many posts ITT been deleted? A lot of them weren't even being overtly racist or anything that breaks the rules.
In the summer of 1967, my mom was was six months pregnant with me when the Riot happened and at the time, she worked as a meat packer for Continental Corned Beef in Detroit with a bunch of other post-WWII expatriate Polish and Ukrainian women.
On Monday morning, three days into the rioting, my mom cluelessly picked up two of her just-as-clueless workmates and these three ding-bats blithely drove into Detroit, completly obvious to the 400+ fires going on and the Blacks and cops battling in the streets, and they show up for work just like any other day.
Finding the parking lot strangely empty, they get out of the car to discover the owner and shop manager on the roof of the building armed with shotguns, whereupon he yells at them to get their stupid asses back to the suburbs, as they can’t see the goddamnedniggers are rioting all over the city?!
I miss you mom.
Detroit will never come back to a decent level unless the harshest measures are taken.
>>415107
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit
