Is it allegorical to all of history or is it more of a shakesperian romance?
Idk I haven't seen it yet
>>411455
It's a cartoon Dave. Just a cartoon.
What allegories it contains are found myriad throughout history and the show itself isn't the best way of portraying or elucidating them.
Don't put too much stock into a cartoon which runs over 100 episodes and is literally a waste of some 45+ hours of your life where you could do far more productive things if you were genuinely interested in politics, military, history etc.
>>411645
>this
i fucking love /his/
>>411645
You are pretty retarded.
LoGH is clearly allegorical and it plays upon history and historical tropes to tell a great story that interrogates different concepts.
No-one is expecting to learn anything about history from a fucking sci fi anime, it's entertainment. Obviously.
If you love history and like anime too, LoGH is pretty much a must watch. It's not a fucking either/or.
>>411645
Not OP but that's a nice high horse you've got there because I'm sure you don't have any activities that others can call for you to do more productive things.
Honestly, do people not realise how much of a 2D boring drag they are if don't engage in things that are non-academic?
You're wasting your time watching it if you don't have an at least amateur understanding of Hegel's historical method and Plotinus' Meta-ethics
>>411827
Lel
>>411645
>>411827
What was Plotinus' stance on metaethics? I've only read Elements of the Theology of Plato once. It made me feel euphoric like only Hegel and Plato had done before, but I don't remember much about ethics.
In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
>Is it allegorical to all of history
Isn't that like, the whole point of it?
>>411645
>far more productive things if you were genuinely interested in politics, military, history etc.
Like wasting your time here?
Also
> implying this place isn't a danubian woodworking guild
>>411455
Its shows how much of a boner the author had for Napoleon / Alexander / J. Caesar.
Fun entertainment, but its really only appealing if you think space nazis are cool.
I love it. It's like if a Prussiaboo/Cao-Caoboo/Greco-Romanboo combined into one unholy human being made a TV show.
>>412332
Fuck off John Green
>muh Napoleonic Wars in space
>muh Three Kingdoms intrigue and politics
>muh Alexander but as a Space Prussian
LOGH is ridiculous as fuck and [spoiler]I love it[/spoiler]
>>412363
Reinhard is nothing like Alexander
>those fucking casualty figures for battles
>the scenes where they show what happens inside the ships when they explode
LoGH is basically WH40k for history autists.
>>412258
do do do dooooo do do do dooooo
dooooo do do do do dooooooo
>>412370
It's the youth/beauty/homosex element he takes from Alexander, as well as Alexander just being the archetypal conquering general-king in european culture
>>412379
and?
>>412400
That's a pretty good thing to be.
>>412332
The space nazis get overthrown in a coup in the first season, anon.
>>412432
Reinhard's faction are the ones that have the most in common with fascist ideals. They are Nietzschean supermen who overthrow the ancien regime in favour of a new nationalistic warlike meritocracy.
>>412410
could be worse
>>411455
when is this shit going to come out on DVD that doesn't cost 1,000 bucks
best anime of all fucking time
>>412446
i'll watch the series with a huge boner
I hated Reinhardt for some reason.
I liked Yang quite a bit more.
just the fact that every episode syncs perfectly with classical music puts it in a league of its own
Makes me want to join the navy and get my own ship so I can blast Tchaikovsky and launch all my missiles into some fucking chinks during WW3
>>412446
The ancien regime was founded by space hitler. And don't forget what they did in Westerland to hang onto power.
>>412566
Yang was a kek
>>412586
yang became admiral to minimize human loss and suffering
also tea is superior to coffee
>>412569
He allowed the enemy to destroy it.
Blood still isnt on his hands.
>>412569
Right, and then centuries later decadence moves in, the empire becomes a weak and incestuous aristocracy and a new space hitler emerges to shake things up. That's the cycle in LoGH's idea of "monarchy".
Man, the Japanese really fucking love Mahler.
(Credit to /a/ for the data, I think).
>>412569
I'm not trying to defend Reinhard, just telling you which worldview he represents the perfected ideal of.
On the other side, Yang is the "perfect" democratic hero, he wants nothing but to reduce the most suffering for the most people he can, he doesn't seek power or glory but is just called into action by circumstance, he turns down every opportunity to become a dictator, etc.
LoGH is about a clash of belief systems, at its core.
>>411724
>>412597
Which is preferable? A corrupt democracy or or a pure dictatorship? What is the difference?
![spaceWaltz[NoAudio].webm](https://i.imgur.com/FoVPa9z.jpg "spaceWaltz[NoAudio].webm")
>>412567
this desu senpai, whoever was in charge of choosing the soundtrack had some fucking taste.
https://d.maxfile.ro/dolfdblyzh.webm
>>412624
Cincinattus?
>>412739
No, Savage.
>>412646
Pure Dictatorship in the short term, corrupt democracy in the long term.
Is merkatz the only flawless character?
>>412768
>dirty traitor who abandoned his nation to warmonger in another, destabilising the galaxy
>>412768
No, that would be Paul von Nichtsfalschgemacht Oberstein
>>412779
Merkatz never betrayed anything, though.
>>412757
>corrupt democracy in the long term.
Repeat that phrase until sufficiently horrified :^)
>>412784
>what was Lippstadt
>what was defecting to the Alliance
Meerkats had no sense of shame
tl;dw - Constitutional Monarchies are the best in the long run
>>412768
i always thought wolfgang was a pretty good guy
>>412797
Please don't reply to my posts, tripcunt.
>>412808
monarchs should have the power to do anything and not have their balls clipped by a piece of paper
that being said a monarchy tempered by the catholic church is superior. the monarch's morality is what should be checked not their ability to do what they want/need
the entire point of LOGH was that monarchy is superior but the monarch should always be the best of the best and tested by the other aristocrats
>>412820
Butthurt Free Planets Alliance pleb detected.
>>411645
>What allegories it contains are found myriad throughout history and the show itself isn't the best way of portraying or elucidating them.
How's that college entrance letter coming?
>>412807
Au contraire, Merkatz was pressured into the Lippstadt alliance.
His loyalty would not allow him to join Reinhardt’s forces as that would be going against the allegiance he swore. The reason he is able to join the fpa is that his fight against Reinhardt is still a fight to preserve the Goldenbaum dynasty. This is also why he always wears the imperial uniform.
>>411455
No it's mostly just the napoleonic wars if napoleon was replaced with alexander the great.
>>412388
Plus the suddenly dying young of "disease" out of fucking nowhere.
>>412768
The only thing that's flawless is Mecklingers moustache
>>412020
Nobody answered my question :(
If only Kircheis were here.
>>412590
>tea is superior to coffee
it literally isn't
>>411455
The whole concept is history repeating itself. Its allegorical to a ton of history. Set in the future to allow this concept to work.
>>411645
>What allegories it contains are found myriad throughout history
That's literally the entire point.
>>413077
Shadows must follow their light, senpai
>>412876
>slurping up all the FPA propaganda like a good boy
Meerkat acted as a moral agent in betraying the Empire TWICE to two different masters, prolonging the war and costing millions of innocent lives (but obviously not being able to prevent the Kaiser's eventual victory, uniting the galaxy). And as you say, he did it for personal, selfish reasons, putting his private life above that of state.
Note that even after the FPA's puppet Emperor was confirmed dead he still continued in his treachery. It was always all about Meerkat and his pride/position of command in the army (that he'd never get under Kaiser Reinhard, who had way too many accomplished admirals).
>>412591
No, that was based Oberstein who allowed it to happen.
>reminder that Oberstein did nothing wrong
>>412780
Oberstein is love
Oberstein is life
Seriously, they did an amazing job with his character development. He seems like hes' going to be the bad guy from the minute you first see him, and yet he's consistently proven right throughout the entire series.
>>411794
>because I'm sure you don't have any activities that others can call for you to do more productive things
Acting high and mighty on 4chan while adding nothing to a conversation is the most important kind of contribution one could make.
>>413440
agreed, while watching the show I was constantly afraid that he was going to off one of the admirals or even Reinhardt for the good of the people.
>>413383
For his time, however, that was the norm. Remember that Merkatz was one of the old guard of the Imperial fleet, where everyone was so concerned with personal glory that they were willing to throw away the lives of millions of people for it (read: your average Prussian).
Plus, it seemed like he defected more to oppose Reinhard than for any loyalties to the Kaiser. Remember when the government in exile was formed, he was reluctant to join, only doing so out of a sense of personal duty.
And the argument that him being evil because he prolonged the war implies that anyone who opposed Reinhard was evil purely because they led to more deaths. Admittedly they don't explain Merkatz's motives very well, but remember - he was opposing a usurper who was aiming to conquer the entire galaxy. Especially with Merkatz fleeing to the FPA, he's not going to really hear all the good Reinhard's doing while in power. Rather, he's still probably stuck in the mindset of the Old Reich, where any disloyalty is harshly punished, so there was a very real fear of death.
>>413453
It was really amazing. He seems so malicious, but you could argue he's really the "best" character in the show because he seemed really concerned with keeping total losses low. He consistently suggested underhanded tactics to meet Reinhard's goals that, while dishonorable, would have ended up saving literally millions of lives. Everything from the bombing of Westerland to the attempted execution of Yang and his suggested capturing of the Iserlohn Leaders late in the series was aimed at avoiding major battles by resorting to less-than-ethical means.
>>413471
You are lying if you don't think Meerkat knew that Reinhard was better than the old guard - that wasn't the point. Like you said it was a matter of pride and honour, his pride was more important than even his loyalty to the Empire or the restoration of peace. Meerkat was just another warmonger that was actively abetting the horrifically violent times the galaxy was facing, the fact that he ended up on a "good" side was pure coincidence. His aristocratic stubbornness, pride and complete lack of compromise was an example of why Reinhard's revolt was needed.
>>413513
Well really technically this thread beyonds on /a/, but fuck it LoGH is the most /his/ anime and it generally has good threads pretty much wherever it pops up on 4chan.
>>411645
Since you are simply dismissing it for the medium its under and the post isn't related at all to the content of show I can assume you didn't watch the series and just want get someone's goat.
>>412586
>don't like women treated like sex objects
>posses so much swag that everything with a vag wants your dick
it's kinda like that, if you have a hammer
best girl
>>414019
It also looks like anime.
Try taking it there.
>>411827
>plotinus
DON'T
literally the worst writer after haegel
he's weak because the gnostics were objectively right anyways but still DONT
>>412833
lol does anyone seriously believe this?
a monarch shouldn't have his morality checked and he should do as well as he damn pleases provided he possesses a monopoly on violence
force is the only thing that should be right for all of you keks for having made a covenant with the demiurge
Is Macross an allegory of the cultural war that the west has waged on the world since the start of the Cold War?
>>411455
Its too anime. All the anime tropes and cliches, and the whole style of over the top expressions and deliveries of cringy lines prevents me from enjoying it.
Sad, because I'd probably like it, based on what I saw in the first few episodes. Its just too fucking anime for me.
>>411645
>Don't put too much stock into a cartoon which runs over 100 episodes and is literally a waste of some 45+ hours of your life where you could do far more productive things if you were genuinely interested in politics, military, history etc.
At first I was going to believe you, but then I realized I shouldnt put too much stock in an anonymous post on 4chan made by a person who could have been studying politics, military, history, etc but was a fag enough to choose to post on 4chan instead.
I mean, why would I listen to such a failure?
>>411455
LoGH is space opera taken to the logical extreme, lacking almost any unique sci-fi elements. I could place it in a pseudo-18th centuryland, and the story wouldn't change.
>>413486
And that begs the question: why is killing one less ethical than killing millions? He hates all this honor and glory talk.
>>414658
I really wish the culture of seeing critique as butthurt would leave 4chan.
>>414659
I really wish the culture of treating inane thoughts as critique would leave too. Apparently just shouting about anime and apparently not even getting the point of the series counts.
>>414570
>and the whole style of over the top expressions
I don't believe you watched this show
>>414686
>*gasp*
>"Admiral..." or "Mein Kaiser..."
whoever shits on animu does not deserve to post on 4chan, leave this place and never return again.
LoGH is one of the greatest animus ever produced. I rather rewatch it than to listen to the faggot dan carlin.
>>413507
Merkatz was one of the old guard, though far better by the virtue of being both competent and not a complete dick to commoners. He refused to join Lippstadt Alliance initially as it would only harm the military for petty palace power play but got blackmailed into it. Then in defeat he was going to go out with a bang like even many of the new generation of Reinhard's did (ie. Bergengrun), but got persuaded by his adjutant. Then he got to FPA and continued doing what he always had done out of habit, fighting for Goldenbaums.
Honestly he just lived on because his adjutant had such a huge boner for him.
>>414851
None of those are over the top
>>411455
>Is it allegorical to all of history or is it more of a shakesperian romance?
It's a somewhat romantic space opera with some simple ruminations on history and historiography.
>>414645
At least in my opinion, Honor (at least to the degree the Space Prussians took it) is a useless formality that ends up causing more harm than good purely to boost people's egos.
Sure you can argue that incidents like the bombing of Westerland were bad because you were sacrificing innocent civilians over soldiers who knew that death was a risk of their job, but generally Oberstein was the only one in the entire show willing to ignore honor to meet the Kaiser's goals as efficiently (and bloodlessly) as possible.
He was not without his mistakes - he effectively got Kircheis killed - but there is an undeniable logic behind everything he did, and more often than not the argument against his suggestions boiled down to
>muh honor
>>414851
>>415062
Many of the expressions are over the top, but in a more operatic way than the way we're used to seeing in most anime. At a glance it may seem like it's filled with all the anime tropes, but it's really not. In particular, it lacks the biggest one of all that usually drives people away from anime - the blatant fanservice and shoehorning girls into situations where they don't belong.
>>411645
>Studying politicas,military history,history in general
Productive.
Come on now burger flippler you are getting uppity again.
>>414851
>yang gets the news that jessica was among the casualties in the riot
>in any other show we would have a music change/overly emotional reaction
>yang just takes it, is clearly saddened but in no way dramatic about it
So...
Where can I watch it?
>>415536
Download it from the usual places. It's not like it's that obscure.
>>415556
What if I'm too much of a pleb to know what the usual places are? Should I just try my luck lurking on /a/?
>>415569
Not him
But I'm going to break the unspoken rules and give you this
https://kissanime.to/Anime/Legend-of-the-Galactic-Heroes
>>415569
nyaa.se and bakabt has 99.9% of everything you'd ever want. If you want something off bakabt just google it and you'll get a link.
>>415580
>streaming
>>415585
I know but if he's too pleb to know where to go he's not going to be wanting to download each episode or the whole series.
>>415536
>>415569
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL79E5a0wBpi63v5gPBgCXSZocon5ZzTlP
Every single episode of the regular series as well as the movie and associated OVAs are on youtube.
>>415602
Ah don't worry about it.
We all gotta start somewhere bud.
>>415497
The only part they really hammed it up was when Kircheis died. And it mostly would have been fine. But then they added that dumb echo at the end and I just couldn't help laughing at what should have been a very sad scene.
>>411645
Originally a novel. The author tried to make Romance of Three Kingdoms in SPESS
>>416082
After watching all of Three Kingdoms, I really fucking see it.
LoGH is just Zhuge Liang vs Cao Cao all over again. Doesn't someone even compare Yang to Kongming at one point?
>>416136
I always assumed Yang was just a Mary Sue.
>>414570
But it copies the form of plays such as macbeth, with strong lead characters and dialogue.
>>415497
>yang gets shot in leg
>no music trying to drown you or dictate what you should feel, rather lets you control you viewpoint on it.
So based.
It's very much based on the post-World War 2 discussion in western political science research about the traits of autocratic and democratic governments, and how those traits are to be measured. That's it. It's not allegorical to all of history.
>>418705
Then you understand almost nothing.
It's directly using the themes and ideas in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and putting them in space.
how is this animu in the maymay department? can you produce dank memes out of it?
>>420497
Mediocre
>>411645
>do far more productive things if you were genuinely interested in politics, military, history etc.
Productive for whom? To whom? What is this abstract level of productivity that you keep talking about? You're on a Taiwanese fishing meme board, faggot. You're not doing anything productive by having entry level arguments about history that have the "substance" (since we're using your inane categorization of what it means to have meaning) that could be better discussed on an episode of deadliest warrior.
>>420497
Ripe with memes my friend
>>420497
>>418786
I am aware of the story's aesthetic influences, which are many. However, the clash between systems of government, the main theme, is based on a more recent discussion that came out of World War 2 and the Cold War, though it had previous roots in European colonial divisions between Enlightenment Europe and "Asian despotism" per prevalent Orientalist assumptions.
>>416136
I'm not really seeing the Zhuge/Yang comparison tbqh. Kongming was power hungry (didn't want to serve lords who wouldn't put him in premier positions), a favourite playing politician, a remarkable hypocrite, treacherous as fuck, an extremely overrated military strategist and a brilliant statesman. Yang is literally the opposite of all of these.
>>413440
haven't watched the entirety of LOGH yet, but isn't Oberstein basically Robespierre in space: german edition?
I>>414570
>Sad, because I'd probably like it, based on what I saw in the first few episodes. Its just too fucking anime for me.
I dont know what show youre talking about because LoGH is probably the least animu anime ive ever seen. It plays more like an Asian live action military-drama (e.g. Romance of the three Kingdoms) than any anime I've ever seen.
>>420858
I'm not really all that familiar with Robespierre, so I couldn't really tell you.
>>420858
Not really, although he shares traits with him he ultimatly had more power and influence over the monarch.
>>412810
Wolfgang was the fucking best.
>>420771
>>416136
Yang is much more like Liu Pei than Kongming. If I recall RotTK correctly,
>Both fought for peace and stability
>Both took leadership roles after realising the old government was done for
>Also because they were the only ones who could stop Lohengramm/Cao Cao
>Both characters led a mass exodus of refugees in the face of enemy invasion
>Both Chinese
>>421133
They really needed to do more to show off how good of an admiral he was. It felt like the lower-level commanders and Ruental were always doing the fighting (or in Bittenfield's case, sabotaging battles for the sake of Yang's plot armor)
>>421134
But Liu Bei was a catalist for war, actively tried to get leadership positions since well before the fall of the Han and he was nothing more than yet another fucking warlord, hardly "the only hope against Cao Cao", even Sun Quan was better than him in that.
The exodus in LOTGH was most certainly inspired by Liu Bei's march tho, that's right.
>>421143
Well, they did make him one of the two grand admirals, and it was shown that he was insanely competent in his job. He was also one of the most likable guys out there. His and Reuenthal's friendship is also one of the best parts of the story. It's strange he doesn't get more recognition.
>>421190
>more recognition
Motherfucker, he get's the last scene of the entire series, doesn't he?
>>421150
I'm guessing Yang was inspired more by the Romance of the Three Kingdom's Liu Bei, rather than the historical Liu Bei. I know for a fact the Romantic version wasn't at all how you describe him.
>>421196
He does. I was talking about the people who watch the series, not the series itself.
So what do you guys think happened after the end of the series?
Do you think reinhard's son turned out like his father and continued the lohengramm dynasty? Or is it more likely he was a wuss and got booted out for a return to full democracy?
>>421300
My guess is that Lohengramm's reforms continued, eventually culminating in a constitutional republic so as to avoid another Goldenbaum catasrophe. Although two of the elements that made the Empire so successful - Oberstein and Reuenthal - were also dead, the fact that all major threats for the forseeable future were gone means that the next generation had it fairly easy. The surviving admirals still seemed incredibly loyal to the regime, and with Hilde acting as regent, things would probably go smoothly for a while.
Of course that could all be fucked up if the baby Kaiser turns out to be nuts.
>>421300
All the disruptive elements in the Kosmosinsel managed to get themselves killed during the war, so it'll probably take a while for things to get fucky again.
