So, tell me about tenochtitlan and why it's the best city ever.
>built in the middle of a lake on top of the water somehow
>no plagues
>most populated city during its time
>even Spaniards were amazed by its magnificence
>"When we saw so many cities and villages built in the water and other great towns on dry land we were amazed and said that it was like the enchantments (...) on account of the great towers and cues and buildings rising from the water, and all built of masonry. And some of our soldiers even asked whether the things that we saw were not a dream? (...) I do not know how to describe it, seeing things as we did that had never been heard of or seen before, not even dreamed about."
—Bernal Díaz del Castillo,The Conquest of New Spain
Based tenochtitlan is always left out
You know, I would really respect Mexico if they spoke Nahuatl and stopped acting like Spanish culture is thier indigenous heritage.
>>411431
Tenochtitlan was cleaner and more populous than London at the same time period, they also had chinampas which were floating gardens that could yield up to 7 harvests per year.
They also came up with the idea of transporting food and materials via canals (something only until the industrial revolution was implemented in Europe) which is why they never really had the need of beasts of burden and wheels.
>>411470
>nahuatl is the only indigenous language in Mexico
Spot the retard.
>>411473
>they never really had the need of beasts of burden and wheels.
They never had good beasts of burden or a wheeled vehicle to begin with. That's probably why they were able to utilize other methods of transportation that appear so impressive..
>>411521
They probably had access to buffaloes thanks to their trading routes and had experience in breeding animals for specific traits shown by the xoloescuincle.
They simply didn't have the need for beasts of burden.
>>411566
>hey aztec you wanna make empire building easier?
>nah i'm fine
>>411566
>>411633
Do you realize Nahuatl is very different from Mayan, Yaqui or Huichol? Just because they're called "Aztecan" doesn't make them Nahuatl.
>>411470
>and stopped acting like Spanish culture is thier indigenous heritage
But they don't do that? A lot of them fucking despise Spain and love saying how they are a mixed nation, that's the politically correct thing to do there.
>>411470
>You know, I would really respect Britain if they spoke Gaelic and stopped acting like Norman culture is thier indigenous heritage.
>>411701
>Mayo is not even maya or geographically close to the mayan lands.
Wow, you're a real genius
> pic related
>>411473
that way of transporting was also used in Angkor Wat though
>>411675
Well I don't care if England speaks English because they are Germanic by blood. When Welsh and Irish speak English its pitiful
>>411470
Spanish culture IS their indigenous heritage senpai, at least for half of their genes.
>>411470
who gives a fuck about indigenous heritage if you are a product of mixed peoples?
>>411431
>living in the middle of a lake
no thanks mosquitos out the fucking ass.
What would the aztec civilisations look like if there had been no european interference?
They were clearly more advanced than the africans and native americans.
>>411821
easy for a dirty filthy asiatic """"""germanic""""""" to say
like it matters anyway, we'll all be speaking arabic soon thanks to you lads
>>411821
There's barely any genetic difference between the English and the Welsh. I really hope you don't think every single Englishman descends from Angles and Saxons because it's very likely they were only a small minority that subdued and assimilated the more numerous Celtic locals.
>>411735
Not funny m8
>>411431
tenochtitlan is pretty based
lower population estimates for 1500 place the population at about the same as paris, one of the the greatest cities in europe at the time
>even Spaniards were amazed by its magnificence
And those fuckers burnt the whole place to the ground.
Even now it would have been magnificent to see that city.
>>412090
I guess it'd look like something akin to India if they didn't die of plagues and had their communities demolished.
>>412090
The Inca were based, I don't know enough to make value judgements for other pre-columbian civilisations though.
>>412393
The British in the late 1700s dismantled the Indian textile industry, turning India into an agricultural supply economy for a reassembled textile industry in primarily England, so I'm not sure they would.
I imagine internal strife would bring the Mexica low at some point. The Spanish waltzed into an emerging civil war.
>>411470
>You know, I would really respect Italians if they spoke Latin and stopped acting like Germanic culture is their indigenous heritage
>>411470
This is the fuckin stupidest comment ever. That's like picking only one side of your family... father's side or mother's side... being their offspring you have the fucking right to be either or... Same goes of mixed ethnicity or heritage... Most Mexican culture is still Indegenous except the Spanish language and religion. It's still a blend of two. And you would have to adopt the dominant language especially if you were trying to survive. The is also Indegenous and some religious holidays and folklore still exist even in the modern Mexican. They have day of the dead and the lady Guadeloupe who is a mixture of the moon goddess and the Virgin Mary.
>>412331
Was thinking the same thing
>is what we are seeing not a dream?
Idunno lol, lets kill everyone and burn it to the ground
>oh, alright.
>>411431
>tenochtitlan
>mexico city
>one and the same
I learned something new today...
are the ruins of Tenochtitlan still visible? where is the lake now?
>>412239
Paris was a stinking shit hole around 1500 compared to most European cities
>>411821
>germanic blood
>implying britain wasn't a fucking melting pot most of it's history
>>412113
I don't get the pic.
>>414788
Yes, Tenochtitlan ruins are still visible today here in downtown Mexico City. You can see remnants of the Huei Teocalli (main pyramid), buildings, and even the Calmecac (university) found recently when trying to build an underground parking lot!
The lake is gone, only a tiny pond nearby Texcoco and a small lake at Zumpango. Technically it wasn't ONE lake, but a superlake much like the interconnected Great Lakes in the US/Canada. Lake Texcoco was composed of Xochimilco lake, Zumpango lake, Cuitlahuac lake, and Xaltocan lake.
>>414828
BTW I'm not OP, just chiping in. Cheers!
One of the most amazing things the Aztecs did was completely transform half of lake Texcoco from a mostly useless saline lake into a largely freshwater one using a complex system of dikes and canals. This way they opened up the lake for chinampa ("floating garden") agriculture that supported the huge population of Tenochtitlan and the whole Valley of Mexico.
>>414788
The Spanish destroyed all the architecture in Tenochtitlan, but the bases of the pyramids are still there. You can see the way one pyramid was built over another every few years. Pic related.
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>>414828
thanks mexibro
>>414816
I could be wrong, but I think the picture on the right is from a furry hookup app like Grindr.
Each wolf head is the location of a furfag.
>>411431
amazing, they were still essentially in the stone age yet they were more advanced than Ireland
>>415067
And they still are.
>>412113
kek
>>412068
Lol. Americans think All Mexicans are Mixed. I've met a bunch of Mexicans that look pretty much Aztec. It's just people with >95% native blood are afraid to admit it
>>412068
Stop that, idiot.
>>414808
>britain
>melting point
Britain isn't really melting point lol
>>415411
No they're not. It's a source of pride for many
>>411431
Supposedly ancient AMerican civilizations were great, but I don't like how Indigenous Americans look like and their descendants are shitty in every possible way, so I've never been interested in them...
>>411473
Canals have been around a lot time, anon. Longer than the Aztecs.
>>419344
I'm sure the Aztecs where getting tips off of the ancient Mesopotamians from whom they were separated by both time and space.
>>419362
were*
oops
>>411470
fuck that shit pham
i'm white even though if my genes say otherwise
>>419478
to clarify
i am spiritually white
>>411431
>wow this rendition looks pretty cool, I wonder what the ruins look like
>my disappointment when
Yeah it's just a bunch of rocks thrown in a pond overromanticized
>>419506
>ruins are just a bunch of rocks
you smart
>>411473
>They also came up with the idea of transporting food and materials via canals (something only until the industrial revolution was implemented in Europe) which is why they never really had the need of beasts of burden and wheels.
Egyptians had you beat by like 5000 years though.
>>419539
>you
Why is it that you retards think that anybody having anything positive to say about civilizations outside of eurasia must be ethnically related or some sort of revisionist pinko?
>>415411
you're a fucking retard, m8
>>411431
Romanticed shit. Europe was way ahead the Aztec civilization in everything, and Venice is far more impressive.
>>419681
>Venice is far more impressive
Contemporaneously? I doubt it, certainly not in terms of population by just about all of the sources I've seen.
>>411470
I come to this board for unbeatably retarded posts like this. You could not make this up if you tried.
Fuck off Majora.
>>411431
It's funny, it's really not hard to imagine the bad smell of medieval cities, as long as the poverty inside. But if the town is from another civilization, it didn't smell bad, was well organized and had no poor people.
Incoming ancient aztec ilustrations.
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I always imagine the mesoameircans evolving into something like Japan. They already had the "honor" thing, warriors dominating society, a minimalistic trend in the arts.
Fuck, if only Cortez wasnt so cunning.
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This is one of the aqueducts that brought fresh water to the city. Its made of easily repleaceable stoneware parts.
>>421024
Forgot to comment that pic.
That is a ceremony that allowed a slave that was going to be sacrificed to escape his fate IF he could defeat in single combat a number of aztec warriors while having a foot chained.
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>>421047
Sorry my friendo. I can't remember and i can't find them either on the internet right now.
Have a bonus pic of what happens when you mix aztec and spanish clothing.
>>421040
fuck how'd they even kill an eagle that big to get an entire skin for a battle custome from it?
>>421120
>I'm dumb
Is a costume, mane
>>421048
Thanks for the pics anon!
>>419539
And the Olmec? The same time like Egypt. Geez!
Atotoztli of Colhuacan. Her sister founded Tenochtitlan.
Ilancueitl of Colhuacan, first ruler of Tenochtitlan. After Tenoch founded the city, they weren't recognized by other nations. They went and seek for Ilancueitl and Acamapichtli to rule them, both of royal lineage. But since Ilancueitl's lineage was more powerful (Colhuacan beat any time Azcapotzalco) she became the ruler.
The problem was that she was barren, this carried political and genealogical difficulties. In the end she was slowly but surely erased from the official list of Aztec rulers.
Another woman also ruled the Aztecs, Atotoztli II (not to be confused with Atotoztli I sister of Ilancueitl). Also erased from history.
>>420774
>le "lets make things up so we can all have a group hatewank over imaginary people we dislike" post
>>420774
Actually they wuz all kangs before white people made them poor.
>>411521
this one's a little bit of a chicken or egg issue, at least the wheeled vehicles bit.
>>411984
Thats only the paternal heritage, its an even split autosomally, its amazing how mexicans have less than 10 percent native ydna though, truly kucked
>>419749
Venice always at least rivaled it, and that's considering that Venice was super cosmopolitan and hit by plagues constantly
